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#1 Post by Paul Goldstein » February 20th, 2016, 2:09 pm

I have a collection of 86 & 89 Bordeaux's. Please share tasting notes. These wines are drinking beautifully. Anyone in the NYC area like to attend or help organize a tasting of these wines? Thanks. Paul
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#2 Post by scamhi » February 20th, 2016, 2:14 pm

which Chateaus do you have?
You can look at many many tasting notes on www.cellartracker.com or use the search function here.
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#3 Post by Paul Goldstein » February 20th, 2016, 2:17 pm

Feb 26 notes - 86 Talbot. Cork was in great shape. Stood up for 2 days and decanted for a few hours. The wine was great with the lamb. The balance was impressive for a 30 year old wine. Great fruit and finish. A real pleasure. I generally think old Bordeaux's are at their best with meat. Any other suggestions for food pairings?

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#4 Post by Paul Goldstein » February 20th, 2016, 2:24 pm

[quote="scamhi"]which Chateaus do you have?
I have about 20 different wines from each vintage. No first growths. I bought highly rated Parker wines that seemed like a good value. The wines are drinking beautifully.

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#5 Post by Craig G » February 20th, 2016, 2:34 pm

Most 89s I've had have been drinking very well for years. Some of the 86s have been a bit bi-modal: Some bottles are nice and open and some pretty tight (I mean the same wines). I've experienced this with Pichon Lalande and Gruaud Larose recently.
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#6 Post by Paul Goldstein » February 20th, 2016, 2:48 pm

I wonder if the bottle variation you are finding is a function of food, how carefully they were decanted and time in a decanter. When I first open and taste an old Bordeaux, I don't generally enjoy them. Yet, with a few hours in a decanter and with some meat they are great. Sometimes, the wine may be better the next morning (time helped). I am curious if these factors are a big part of bottle variation.
They 89s are generally more forward and probably less fussy. The 86s are more tannic and maybe need more time in the decanter - and the right food pairings.

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#7 Post by Michael O'Brien » February 20th, 2016, 3:12 pm

My '89 Palmer and Pichon Lalande have been drinking well for a while. The only '89 Margaux I have poured (last year) was ready to go but had a long run left in it. I am still holding my '89 Latours and don't expect to open them anytime soon.
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#8 Post by Benjamin Goldberg » February 20th, 2016, 5:09 pm

I adore 1989 Pichon Lalande for current consumption. '89 Pichon Baron is wonderful -- more structured than the Lalande with plenty of life left. The 1989 Palmer is fantastic and the 1989 Leoville Las Cases is far better than many of the reviews you see.

The only 1986 I've had that has been consistently good, bottle after bottle, is the '86 Gruaud Larose.

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#9 Post by scamhi » February 21st, 2016, 1:01 pm

all of the Cordier stable did well in 86 including Talbot, Meyney and Gruaud LArose.
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#10 Post by Craig G » February 21st, 2016, 1:04 pm

Meyney 89 is really good too.
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#11 Post by Paul Goldstein » February 21st, 2016, 8:41 pm

The 86 and 89 Meyney are great. When I bought them, I think they were $10 a bottle - so I bought more of them than any other wine from those vintages. They are always a crowd pleaser ... and fun to try together.

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#12 Post by Craig G » February 21st, 2016, 9:36 pm

This has come up in quite a few threads, but the 85 and 88 Meyney are excellent as well.
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#13 Post by Jürgen Steinke » February 22nd, 2016, 1:43 am

86 is a Left Bank vintage. Most of the wines have a masculine aspect. They ask for food / meat. You will find few wines not worth buying or drinking from the Left Bank.

89 is superb on the Left and the Right Bank. Most of the wines have not as much structure as the 86 and are a bit more hedonistic. But they have enough fruit, tannins and acid for a long life. It´s hard to find a really bad wine from a well known Chateaux with good reputation from the 89 vintage.

In both vintages Chasse Spleen and Meyney made wonderful wines – for those who look for a superb QPR. The best wine in 1986 is Mouton. The best wines of 89 are Haut Brion and La Mission Haut Brion.

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#14 Post by Albert Bouffard » February 22nd, 2016, 9:48 pm

Good life decisions!! I love the 86s and 89s. It looks like I have 19 notes on the 86 left bankers and 26 notes on the 89s (mostly left) from the past couple of years on cellartracker under Englishman's Claret. Almost universally drinking well though some are still pretty tight. I'm in Connecticut on a fairly regular basis; PM me know if you decide to set something up.

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#15 Post by Craig G » February 22nd, 2016, 10:03 pm

Jürgen Steinke wrote:86 is a Left Bank vintage.
Some of the Right Bank wines make me wish I bought more. In fact I just bought a few more La Dominique.
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#16 Post by Chris Foley » February 23rd, 2016, 3:52 am

I had an 86 Rauzan Segla and an 89 Haut Marbuzet last year.
Both very enjoyable, particularly after 2 1/2+ hours of air.
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#17 Post by Gary Rust » February 23rd, 2016, 1:08 pm

I took have recently had a bottle of 1986 Rauzan Segla that was terrific, and shockingly young. I believe it's a 50+ year wine, like many 86's.

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#18 Post by Paul Goldstein » February 28th, 2016, 9:16 pm

La Dominique has been a favorite. I have both the 86 and 89 and it has been a treat to try them together. It amazes me how long these wines last. The 86s are now 30 years old and all of the ones I have continue to drink well.

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#19 Post by Craig G » February 28th, 2016, 9:43 pm

Paul Goldstein wrote:La Dominique has been a favorite. I have both the 86 and 89 and it has been a treat to try them together. It amazes me how long these wines last. The 86s are now 30 years old and all of the ones I have continue to drink well.
We had a tasting about five years ago with 66, 82, 86 and 89. At that point the 66 tasted a little old but it would have been a fun drink by itself. The others were all great.
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#20 Post by Victor Hong » February 29th, 2016, 3:22 am

Gary Rust wrote:I took have recently had a bottle of 1986 Rauzan Segla that was terrific, and shockingly young. I believe it's a 50+ year wine, like many 86's.
I just picked up the 1989 for around $90. Any thoughts? Thank you.
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#21 Post by Er€z _ L. » April 13th, 2016, 6:37 am

Paul Goldstein wrote:La Dominique has been a favorite. I have both the 86 and 89 and it has been a treat to try them together. It amazes me how long these wines last. The 86s are now 30 years old and all of the ones I have continue to drink well.
I opened last night the '89 La Dominique... It was signing after two hours decanting and we've enjoyed it over a nice french dinner (left a nice tasting to the house as well). Never had the '86. The '89 has a long way ahead but its drinking so good that I wonder why should one wait?
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#22 Post by J a y H a c k » April 13th, 2016, 6:43 am

Craig G wrote:Meyney 89 is really good too.
And has been since at least 2005. Unfortunately, I only have one left.
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#23 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » April 13th, 2016, 6:44 am

J a y H a c k wrote:
Craig G wrote:Meyney 89 is really good too.
And has been since at least 2005. Unfortunately, I only have one left.
Meyney '88 is quite solid as well.

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#24 Post by Andrew L. » April 13th, 2016, 7:11 am

1989 is my favourite vintage for current consumption.

I have adored Haut Brion, La Mission Haut Brion, Palmer, La Conseillante, Le Tertre Rotebouef, Montrose, and of course, Yqeum. Pichon Lalande almost made the cut for this group.

I've also had others I felt were quite good, but did not hit the greatness of the group above, including La Dominique, Meyney, Gruad Larose, Talbot, Pichon Baron, Leoville Barton, La Fleur de Gay, Domaine de Chevalier, La Lagune, Brane-Cantenac, Cantermerle, Leoville Poyferre, Cheval Blanc and Troplong Mondot.
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#25 Post by Gerhard P. » April 13th, 2016, 10:01 am

Jürgen Steinke wrote:....
89 is superb on the Left and the Right Bank. ....
Well, with some reservations for the left bank.
It is funny that in 1989 - with the exception of HB and LMHB - all left bank 1st growth performed somewhat disapointing (for a 1st growth - not bad wines though) ... be it Latour, Margaux, Lafite or Mouton. On the other hand several chateaux of lower rank made better wines, like Pichon-Baron, Montrose, Palmer, also Pichon-Lalande ... and there are some real bargains (you´ve named two ...) that are every bit as good as the big names at app. 20% of the price.

1989 is really great in Graves and Pomerol ... but some St.Emilions are also outstanding (La dominique for instance)
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#26 Post by Mark Mason » April 13th, 2016, 11:30 am

I remember buying my first- first growth. I hounded the local wine shop as to what day the 1989 Lafites would be arriving and was at the store at 10am that morning to pick up my first "real" bottle of wine. I paid $79 for it, which was about 14-12 packs of cheap beer worth, but I felt so proud bringing my Lafite home on my motorcycle. I bought it for what would be my Daughters wedding, but never had a Daughter, it remains the longest held bottle of wine I have in my cellar.
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#27 Post by Paul Goldstein » December 29th, 2019, 7:57 am

I recently drank an 1989 Monbrison (margaux) along with a 1999 Jackass Vinyard Zin. The Monbrison was a beautiful mature Bordeaux. Nice fruit, balance and finish. A nice example of what a well aged Bordeaux should be.Nice color. The younger Zin seemed to have more brown color. They were both a pleasure to drink.

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#28 Post by Mattstolz » December 29th, 2019, 10:01 am

about 3 years ago I had an 86 Ch Canon that was fantastic. that's about the extent of my 86 Bordeaux experience so far.

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#29 Post by David Glasser » December 29th, 2019, 9:17 pm

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1989 is my favourite vintage for current consumption.

I have adored Haut Brion, La Mission Haut Brion, Palmer, La Conseillante, Le Tertre Rotebouef, Montrose, and of course, Yqeum. Pichon Lalande almost made the cut for this group.

I've also had others I felt were quite good, but did not hit the greatness of the group above, including La Dominique, Meyney, Gruad Larose, Talbot, Pichon Baron, Leoville Barton, La Fleur de Gay, Domaine de Chevalier, La Lagune, Brane-Cantenac, Cantermerle, Leoville Poyferre, Cheval Blanc and Troplong Mondot.
Here it is 3.5 years later and I will echo the sentiment that 1989 is a great vintage for current consumption. The stratification holds up pretty well, too, though I’d rate Pichon Baron and the more open bottles of Lynch Bages (well stored ones have not yet peaked!) as much better than quite good, even if not at the Haut Brion and La Miss level.

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#30 Post by Howard Cooper » December 30th, 2019, 5:06 am

Recently had a 1989 Beychevelle that was quite good.
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#31 Post by Blake Brown » December 30th, 2019, 11:02 am

scamhi wrote:
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all of the Cordier stable did well in 86 including Talbot, Meyney and Gruaud LArose.
Good for you- all of mine have been Brett laden
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#32 Post by Paul Goldstein » February 16th, 2020, 8:20 am

I recently finished a bottle of 1989 Monbrison. I stood it up for a day and then decanted it for about 2 hours before dinner. I drank about half the bottle that night. It tasted pretty good. Fruit was subtle and balance pretty good. I use a vacuvin on open bottles. I finished this bottle a few days later and thought the wine was great. The fruit was more pronounced, balance was better and it was simply much more enjoyable. Interesting. At 31 years old you might think it is fragile. This experience does not say fragile. But suggests wine needs time to open up.

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#33 Post by Paul Goldstein » February 16th, 2020, 8:21 am

I have a collection of 86 & 89 Bordeaux's. Please share tasting notes. These wines are drinking beautifully. Anyone in the NYC area like to attend or help organize a tasting of these wines? Thanks. Paul

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#36 Post by JC J o u a s » February 16th, 2020, 8:43 am

I’d be interested in attending a tasting of 86’s or 89’s and think if you do it, you should also do it blind to remove any preconceived notion(s). And I have several 86 and 89’s left that I could contribute.

And should you need help organizing or finding a suitable restaurant in the NYC area had have suitable places in Westchester (Lenny’s in Larchmont or La Panetiere in Rye) and Greenwich, CT (Back 40 Kitchen) should you wish to be outside the city. I would be willing to help just let me know what day of the week you were leaning towards wanting to do this on, weekday vs weekend and for how many people
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#37 Post by Ken Lamb » February 16th, 2020, 9:45 am

I've been fortunate to drink a lot of both vintages over the years, and in my view, Jurgen's post is spot on (others at too, of course, I just like the way he captured it succinctly). 1986 has been an unappreciated vintage because it was unapproachable for a long time but many Left Bank wines always had the fruit, acidity and balance to indicate that it was only a matter of time. I'll just add because I didn't see it mentioned about that I had '86 Lynch-Bages at Valentine's Day lunch and it was everything one could ask from classic Claret. Cigar box, graphite, black currant...harmonious...vibrant...it will have a long life.

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#38 Post by Greg K » February 16th, 2020, 10:08 am

86 Pichon Lalande is great. My experiences with Gruaud have been a bit variable, but when on its also very good.
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#40 Post by George Chadwick » February 16th, 2020, 1:38 pm

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Feb 26 notes - 86 Talbot. Cork was in great shape. Stood up for 2 days and decanted for a few hours. The wine was great with the lamb. The balance was impressive for a 30 year old wine. Great fruit and finish. A real pleasure. I generally think old Bordeaux's are at their best with meat. Any other suggestions for food pairings?
Just had my one bottle of 86 Talbot last month. Best Cordier wine I've ever had, in a deep and perfect place.

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#41 Post by Gerhard P. » February 17th, 2020, 1:18 am

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I have a collection of 86 & 89 Bordeaux's. Please share tasting notes. These wines are drinking beautifully. Anyone in the NYC area like to attend or help organize a tasting of these wines? Thanks. Paul
There are nummerous and enough tasting notes around and at CT ...
Very generally 1986 is a vintage more successful on the left bank and with Cabernet Sauvignon dominated wines, the Merlot driven right bank did less fine - and some wines are simply lacking sweetness and fullness. A lot of righties were also better 5-10 years ago imho ...

In 1989 it´s the other way around, many right bankers are glorious (recently La Dominique and Tertre-Roteboeuf) ... and it´s kind of strange that LB first growths (with the exception of Haut-Brion) were not among the best wines of the vintage, I much prefer Pichon-Lalande, Pichon-Baron, Palmer, Lynch-Bages, even Cantemerle ... over Latour, Lafite ...
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#42 Post by Paul Goldstein » February 26th, 2020, 6:56 pm

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I’d be interested in attending a tasting of 86’s or 89’s and think if you do it, you should also do it blind to remove any preconceived notion(s). And I have several 86 and 89’s left that I could contribute.

And should you need help organizing or finding a suitable restaurant in the NYC area had have suitable places in Westchester (Lenny’s in Larchmont or La Panetiere in Rye) and Greenwich, CT (Back 40 Kitchen) should you wish to be outside the city. I would be willing to help just let me know what day of the week you were leaning towards wanting to do this on, weekday vs weekend and for how many people
We are planning a tasting of some 86 and 89 Bordeaux's on April 5. We are doing it at a restaurant in Astoria. My plan id to supply all of the wines and have everyone chip in. Let me know if you are curious or need more details.

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#43 Post by rick m » February 26th, 2020, 7:03 pm

had '89 mouton little while back and thought it was one of the best mouton I had in a long time.....great bottle!
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#44 Post by JLee » March 1st, 2020, 11:03 am

Had an 86 Beychevelle recently. The CT notes are pretty variable but this bottle was excellent.

Had the 86 PLL and Gruaud Larose in the last year or two and the Beychevelle was my favorite of the three. PLL was a disappointment both times, whether provenance or the wine who knows.
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#45 Post by Paul Goldstein » May 23rd, 2020, 1:03 pm

1989 La Tour du Pin Figeac. Dank over 3 nights at home. I had been drinking big 15+ yr old Martinelli ant Turley Zins and pinots. I love those wines. This was first Bordeaux in a while. It was like get back together with an old friend. A big pleasure. Very much alive. Great night one after 1 hour decanting. Night 2 was good. Night 3 was amazing. Think I will stay on Bordeaux kick for a little while.
I wonder why the differences in experiencing the wine over 3 nights. Time? Mood? Pairing? I suppose some combination. Next is 86 Meyney.

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#46 Post by Paul Goldstein » May 23rd, 2020, 1:11 pm

1986 Meyney. Drank over 3 nights. Improved after night 1. More austere that the du Pin Figeac. Good balance and earthy fruit. Amazing to me how alive the wine is after almost 35 years. Bravo.

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#47 Post by Ramon C » May 24th, 2020, 6:50 am

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1986 Meyney. Drank over 3 nights. Improved after night 1. More austere that the du Pin Figeac. Good balance and earthy fruit. Amazing to me how alive the wine is after almost 35 years. Bravo.

As amazing as how consistent the positive reports are on this wine and how it never seem to dry up in availability.
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#48 Post by Rudi Finkler » May 24th, 2020, 8:35 am

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1989 La Tour du Pin Figeac. Dank over 3 nights at home. I had been drinking big 15+ yr old Martinelli ant Turley Zins and pinots. I love those wines. This was first Bordeaux in a while. It was like get back together with an old friend. A big pleasure. Very much alive. Great night one after 1 hour decanting. Night 2 was good. Night 3 was amazing...
Sounds very pleasurable, thanks for sharing! Was it the 'Moueix' or the 'Giraud-Belivier' version?
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Paul Goldstein wrote:
May 23rd, 2020, 1:03 pm
1989 La Tour du Pin Figeac. Dank over 3 nights at home. I had been drinking big 15+ yr old Martinelli ant Turley Zins and pinots. I love those wines. This was first Bordeaux in a while. It was like get back together with an old friend. A big pleasure. Very much alive. Great night one after 1 hour decanting. Night 2 was good. Night 3 was amazing. Think I will stay on Bordeaux kick for a little while.
I wonder why the differences in experiencing the wine over 3 nights. Time? Mood? Pairing? I suppose some combination. Next is 86 Meyney.
I would never intentionally leave Bordeaux open for 3 nights. The fruit attenuates and a hint of oxidation starts to emerge after 24 hours. The reds that I am willing to do that is Piedmont reds, Valpolicella or Riojas.
Kevin
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Re: 86 & 89 Bordeaux

#50 Post by Ramon C » May 24th, 2020, 4:53 pm

k s h i n wrote:
May 24th, 2020, 8:45 am
Paul Goldstein wrote:
May 23rd, 2020, 1:03 pm
1989 La Tour du Pin Figeac. Dank over 3 nights at home. I had been drinking big 15+ yr old Martinelli ant Turley Zins and pinots. I love those wines. This was first Bordeaux in a while. It was like get back together with an old friend. A big pleasure. Very much alive. Great night one after 1 hour decanting. Night 2 was good. Night 3 was amazing. Think I will stay on Bordeaux kick for a little while.
I wonder why the differences in experiencing the wine over 3 nights. Time? Mood? Pairing? I suppose some combination. Next is 86 Meyney.
I would never intentionally leave Bordeaux open for 3 nights. The fruit attenuates and a hint of oxidation starts to emerge after 24 hours. The reds that I am willing to do that is Piedmont reds, Valpolicella or Riojas.
I'd agree with never intentionally leaving open for 3 nights, but only for older Bordeaux, say, > 15 years.

But with younger Bordeaux, I've had some OK-to-very-good results re-corking, putting back in the fridge and drinking over 3 nights.
@brera

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