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by Keith Levenberg
July 7th, 2009, 8:05 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: How historical hierarchies are inside our brains
Replies: 46
Views: 1527

Re: How historical hierarchies are inside our brains

But, to go in your way, you give me an idea of tasting : a : I take a decade which, without any discussion, is ready to drink : the 80' b : for every year, I take every first growths c : for every year, I take Sociando-Mallet, a simple basci "cru bourgeois" at that time We add all the results. Blin...
by Keith Levenberg
July 7th, 2009, 8:02 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: How historical hierarchies are inside our brains
Replies: 46
Views: 1527

Re: How historical hierarchies are inside our brains

Glad to see Kevin Harvey's comments. I used to assume blind tasting was the only way to taste. Kevin's posts over there convinced me otherwise. Five second to 15 minute tasting snapshots under the best controlled conditions hardly render an accurate panorama. I agree but the blind aspect of the GJE...
by Keith Levenberg
July 7th, 2009, 7:40 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: How historical hierarchies are inside our brains
Replies: 46
Views: 1527

Re: How historical hierarchies are inside our brains

One things that needs to be considered is that the Reignac may excel (at the moment) for blind tasting. Blind tasting is very different than drinking a wine (short sips, skewed context of the other wines in the lineup) and very few tasters pick the same wines in a blind trial that they prefer to dr...
by Keith Levenberg
July 6th, 2009, 7:37 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 1992 Dehlinger Syrah Estate (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley)
Replies: 14
Views: 362

Re: TN: 1992 Dehlinger Syrah Estate (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley)

Todd F r e n c h wrote:These stupid French terms for English terms just for the sake of sounding French - blah.
I dunno, some of them have a certain je ne sais quoi.
by Keith Levenberg
July 6th, 2009, 3:40 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2 Recent CA Pinots (Arcadian & Kutch)
Replies: 11
Views: 453

Re: TN: 2 Recent CA Pinots (Arcadian & Kutch)

Good notes and nice to see someone on my side on the Arcadian aging curve. Arcadian's library wines, including this one, still show young. Keeps boggling my mind how some people figure waiting 3-4 years on them is considered "age." For perspective I opened a 1999 Sleepy Hollow a few months ago that ...
by Keith Levenberg
July 6th, 2009, 1:40 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Fantastic Freakonomics post on Wine Descriptors
Replies: 8
Views: 450

Re: Fantastic Freakonomics post on Wine Descriptors

Get the Landsburg and Friedman books - they do the same thing but much better.. and they did it first!
by Keith Levenberg
July 6th, 2009, 1:25 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Fantastic Freakonomics post on Wine Descriptors
Replies: 8
Views: 450

Re: Fantastic Freakonomics post on Wine Descriptors

The "On Wine Bullshit" article the story links to and which Roberto block quotes is a pretty good read though...
by Keith Levenberg
July 6th, 2009, 1:22 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Fantastic Freakonomics post on Wine Descriptors
Replies: 8
Views: 450

Re: Fantastic Freakonomics post on Wine Descriptors

Okay, so I am biased against this "Freakonomics" thing. The book was an inferior, dumbed-down retread of Steve Landsburg's Armchair Economist and David Friedman's Hidden Order but somehow became a bestseller because... I have no idea, actually. Certainly nothing in there, or in the NYT column capita...
by Keith Levenberg
July 6th, 2009, 9:13 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: How historical hierarchies are inside our brains
Replies: 46
Views: 1527

Re: How historical hierarchies are inside our brains

Well, this certainly opens up the question of what actually is great terroir and whether tradition/history is always correct. Is there really THAT much difference in terroir among the chateaus? If one could devote the same resources that the First Growths have at their disposal, how great can someo...
by Keith Levenberg
July 6th, 2009, 6:46 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: How historical hierarchies are inside our brains
Replies: 46
Views: 1527

Re: How historical hierarchies are inside our brains

Chaad, that's not an option (iv), it's just another way of saying what I listed as option (i). Also, we weren't talking about non-classified crus surpassing classified ones in general - we were talking about their surpassing the first growths specifically. Whatever you may think about the staying po...
by Keith Levenberg
July 5th, 2009, 7:07 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Bruce the Returner's Birthday Bash Recap - You Name It - We Drank It
Replies: 31
Views: 1425

Re: Bruce the Returner's Birthday Bash Recap - You Name It - We Drank It

So, why is Bruce "the Returner"? What, or to where, doth he return?
by Keith Levenberg
July 5th, 2009, 5:35 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Just Drink It.
Replies: 39
Views: 1543

Re: Just Drink It.

Great story, David. Thanks for posting.
by Keith Levenberg
July 5th, 2009, 8:11 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Times they are a changin'
Replies: 9
Views: 455

Re: Times they are a changin'

The "new" logo actually looks kinda retro, kinda in the style of the old deco '24 Mouton label.
by Keith Levenberg
July 5th, 2009, 8:09 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: How historical hierarchies are inside our brains
Replies: 46
Views: 1527

Re: How historical hierarchies are inside our brains

I have been disappointed in a number of the 2001 first growths (I much prefer the vintage in Pomerol) and I have never had Reignac - so I certainly can't comment on this result specifically, but these are the questions that come to my mind along with the point about maturity which you've already add...
by Keith Levenberg
July 4th, 2009, 8:10 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Ornellaia 1997, Flaccianello 1995, Bistecca alla Fiorentina
Replies: 8
Views: 372

Re: Ornellaia 1997, Flaccianello 1995, Bistecca alla Fiorentina

Looks tasty but it's the porterhouse you need for bistecca alla Fiorentina!
by Keith Levenberg
July 3rd, 2009, 8:47 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The wine canon - a comparative analysis.
Replies: 36
Views: 1638

Re: The wine canon - a comparative analysis.

I'm still having a little trouble wrapping my head around the concept... The assumption seems to have been, pick a dozen or two important categories of wine and name either the highest high in the category or the most ideal exemplar of it (not necessarily the same thing of course!). But a "canon" so...
by Keith Levenberg
July 3rd, 2009, 2:45 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The wine canon - a comparative analysis.
Replies: 36
Views: 1638

Re: The wine canon - a comparative analysis.

Why debate Hune vs. Zind-Humbrecht when there at at least two other countries that make better riesling? [stirthepothal.gif]
by Keith Levenberg
July 3rd, 2009, 1:24 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The wine canon - a comparative analysis.
Replies: 36
Views: 1638

Re: The wine canon - a comparative analysis.

I don't think the concept of a canon works for wine. For one thing, wines change, books don't. There is also a practical difficulty in that to have tasted enough legendary wines to have an opinion on this question, it's quite possible it would be necessary to expend a million dollars or more. It's s...
by Keith Levenberg
July 3rd, 2009, 7:54 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Recs for Books About Burgundy
Replies: 21
Views: 811

Re: Recs for Books About Burgundy

FYI, I sent an email to Wine Spectator requesting that they let me know if Matt Kramer is planning on updating his Burgundy book. I'll report back if/when I get a response. rOB Very unlikely - the bulk of the book is a list of who owns what plots in what vineyards, which he compiled from records in...
by Keith Levenberg
July 2nd, 2009, 6:50 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 98 & 00 Red Burgundy Vintage Question for Gilman or others
Replies: 25
Views: 616

Re: 98 & 00 Red Burgundy Vintage Question for Gilman or others

As usual, Tom Reddick has it in a nutshell-but I think the same may apply to 97, unquestionably a pretty unsatisfactory vintage particularly because of the way vintage characteristics obscure appellation, as to 94 .At this point many 97s are starting to become at least acceptable in a way that surp...
by Keith Levenberg
July 1st, 2009, 11:22 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 98 & 00 Red Burgundy Vintage Question for Gilman or others
Replies: 25
Views: 616

Re: 98 & 00 Red Burgundy Vintage Question for Gilman or others

I'm 100% with Robert Thornton on the 2000s, couldn't have said it any better. I never saw Pierre Rovani's review of the 1998s, but if I remember correctly Wine Spectator reviewed them very well - so blindly following the critics is not an adequate excuse for missing the vintage! I am not a fan of th...
by Keith Levenberg
July 1st, 2009, 11:06 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: ? on '83 Bordeaux
Replies: 12
Views: 315

Re: ? on '83 Bordeaux

Funny, we had the '83 Pichon Lalande the other day at Peking Duck House. I really liked it. Lots going on in terms of aroma and flavor - not just the usual lead pencils but deeper and earthier. On the minus side, there was a bit too much tannin relative to the rest of the material - a few people sai...
by Keith Levenberg
July 1st, 2009, 7:44 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Can Exclusivity Still Sell Wines in this Bear Market?
Replies: 19
Views: 908

Re: Can Exclusivity Still Sell Wines in this Bear Market?

Great post Ben. Exclusivity will always sell wine - recessions don't change human nature. The thrill of having something your neighbor wants and can't have is probably a constant. But it is certainly harder to create the necessary exclusivity! Can't just put up a velvet rope anymore and expect peopl...
by Keith Levenberg
June 29th, 2009, 8:19 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: Le Chiuse 1997 Brunello di Montalcino
Replies: 5
Views: 282

Re: TN: Le Chiuse 1997 Brunello di Montalcino

Certainly it was clear from day one that this was not a wine of squeaky-clean fruitiness, but I never experienced the chemical issue others are talking about so can't even guess what it might be. Is it VA? Something else?
by Keith Levenberg
June 28th, 2009, 6:35 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: Le Chiuse 1997 Brunello di Montalcino
Replies: 5
Views: 282

TN: Le Chiuse 1997 Brunello di Montalcino

Those of us lucky enough to have tasted the Le Chiuse 2001 Brunello di Montalcino within a year or two of release were floored by its explosively funky character. A bunch of people unlucky enough to have tasted it thereafter reported that it turned into something boring at best and maybe even ugly. ...
by Keith Levenberg
June 27th, 2009, 1:42 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Vote for my winery FAIL!
Replies: 3
Views: 252

Re: Vote for my winery FAIL!

"Assmanshauser Hollenberg" could probably have drawn a better straw in the naming lotto, too.
by Keith Levenberg
June 26th, 2009, 11:20 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Can't get enough Bordeaux pricing threads? How about a whole book about it?
Replies: 3
Views: 233

Can't get enough Bordeaux pricing threads? How about a whole book about it?

I have in my hands Benjamin Lewin M.W.'s What Price Bordeaux? , which Amazon indicates won't be published until August 24, but book-shopping at the Strand has its privileges. It is actually only partially about pricing and is the most comprehensive diagnosis of the current state of the Bordeaux scen...
by Keith Levenberg
June 26th, 2009, 10:59 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Recs for Books About Burgundy
Replies: 21
Views: 811

Re: Recs for Books About Burgundy

Matt Kramer's Making Sense of Burgundy is the closest thing to what you're looking for, but it's really something crying out for a longer and newer treatment. AGREED Great book for beginners! And intermediates and experts! The Remington Norman book is good, but it is focused on producers rather tha...
by Keith Levenberg
June 26th, 2009, 8:58 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: What wines do you bring to dinner /w a Billionare Wine Collector?
Replies: 35
Views: 1202

Re: TN: What wines do you bring to dinner /w a Billionare Wine Collector?

Interesting question... while it's PC from a wine lovers' perspective to say "bring something you love, regardless of cost" I think social manners do dictate some expenditure, subject to the understanding that you're not expected to spend what he might spend on himself. I also get that you wanted to...
by Keith Levenberg
June 26th, 2009, 7:37 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Recs for Books About Burgundy
Replies: 21
Views: 811

Re: Recs for Books About Burgundy

I flubbed! I should have mentioned Hubrecht Duijker's excellent and long-out-of-print Great Wines of Burgundy. The parts that are out-of-date are still historically interesting, but much of it is timeless and the writing on the characteristics of the villages and their best crus is beautiful and sti...
by Keith Levenberg
June 25th, 2009, 3:07 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Recs for Books About Burgundy
Replies: 21
Views: 811

Re: Recs for Books About Burgundy

Matt Kramer's Making Sense of Burgundy is the closest thing to what you're looking for, but it's really something crying out for a longer and newer treatment.
by Keith Levenberg
June 24th, 2009, 9:35 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: Nicolas Potel 1999 Echezeaux & Grands Echezeaux
Replies: 15
Views: 512

Re: TN: Nicolas Potel 1999 Echezeaux & Grands Echezeaux

Josh Beck wrote:Boudots certainly delivers... arguably a better terroir than Les Saint George, and arguably should be Vosne not Nuits.
Boudots should definitely be reclassified as Vosne-Romanee, but I still say Les St.-Georges is a grand cru.
by Keith Levenberg
June 24th, 2009, 9:30 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: Nicolas Potel 1999 Echezeaux & Grands Echezeaux
Replies: 15
Views: 512

Re: TN: Nicolas Potel 1999 Echezeaux & Grands Echezeaux

Keith, Where do you rank Potel in terms of overall quality in relation to other producers? Top Half? Top 1/3? Top 5? I don't think I can really rank Potel that way because it's a negociant with a wide range of wines from a lot of different sources. The Vosnes are top-notch and that's what I tend to...
by Keith Levenberg
June 24th, 2009, 6:36 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: Nicolas Potel 1999 Echezeaux & Grands Echezeaux
Replies: 15
Views: 512

TN: Nicolas Potel 1999 Echezeaux & Grands Echezeaux

The 1999 vintage stayed primary for so long that it's exciting to finally see some development and get a sense of what these wines have been packing under the baby fat. I think I caught both of these at a time when they are just starting to turn the corner. The fruit on the Echezeaux has already she...
by Keith Levenberg
June 23rd, 2009, 8:40 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2005 Hermann J. Wiemer Riesling Dry Reserve (Finger Lakes)
Replies: 12
Views: 378

Re: TN: 2005 Hermann J. Wiemer Riesling Dry Reserve (Finger Lakes)

The only issue with aging these, besides the constant temptation to open them, is that they seem to follow the German tradition of using really shitty corks. Let us know how the '02 is!
by Keith Levenberg
June 23rd, 2009, 7:46 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2005 Hermann J. Wiemer Riesling Dry Reserve (Finger Lakes)
Replies: 12
Views: 378

Re: TN: 2005 Hermann J. Wiemer Riesling Dry Reserve (Finger Lakes)

I remember enjoying this YEARS ago, pretty cool that you had the chance to try one with a little bottle age.
by Keith Levenberg
June 23rd, 2009, 7:30 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Spitting?
Replies: 88
Views: 3836

Re: Spitting?

The fact that nobody to my knowledge has ever invented an eating disorder in which one chews food but spits it out, which seems to make way more sense than, say, bulimia, suggests to me that the human body is wired to obtain satiation from the act of swallowing itself and not just physical contact w...
by Keith Levenberg
June 22nd, 2009, 8:28 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2005 Domaine Lafon Meursault Gouttes d'Or
Replies: 8
Views: 217

Re: TN: 2005 Domaine Lafon Meursault Gouttes d'Or

I went on a Goutte d'Or kick for awhile after reading that Jefferson was a big fan of the vineyard. Lafon and Ente are stupidly priced, though. I'd back up the truck on the '05 Buisson-Charles instead, incredible stuff.
by Keith Levenberg
June 22nd, 2009, 5:55 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: Mouton Rothschild 1985
Replies: 33
Views: 690

Re: TN: Mouton Rothschild 1985

16 ounces? You need more porterhouse!
by Keith Levenberg
June 21st, 2009, 7:48 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Some Brief Thoughts on the 2006 Vintage in Bordeaux
Replies: 18
Views: 891

Re: Some Brief Thoughts on the 2006 Vintage in Bordeaux

For years I was a huge fan of Pape-Clement and Smith-Haut-Lafitte even when I was finding other modern Bordeaux undrinkable. And I bought a bunch of 'em. But I have gotten very skeptical of their ageability. I've tasted the '98s of each within the last year, both of which were viscerally awesome on ...
by Keith Levenberg
June 20th, 2009, 7:06 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Repatriate your own Tasting Notes to our new home?
Replies: 62
Views: 1809

Re: Repatriate your own Tasting Notes to our new home?

It's really just collaborative filtering. If I like what a certain set of people have to say about wines (and displike what others say) then I want a way to leverage the data that matters TO ME. It is self-serving at some level, but by letting people only do the inclusion/exclusion at an author lev...
by Keith Levenberg
June 20th, 2009, 6:56 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Is RP's palate burned out?
Replies: 59
Views: 2058

Re: Is RP's palate burned out?

I haven't heard many people come out and actually criticize the critic. That's because he's effectively censored/bullied into submission any criticism of him on his own site, but I think you'll find plenty of examples of people calling out his bad advice elsewhere. I don't think woodiness is the es...
by Keith Levenberg
June 19th, 2009, 6:56 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Search for 75's
Replies: 27
Views: 566

Re: Search for 75's

Pape-Clement's a winner and still going strong.
by Keith Levenberg
June 19th, 2009, 4:50 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Repatriate your own Tasting Notes to our new home?
Replies: 62
Views: 1809

Re: Repatriate your own Tasting Notes to our new home?

And yes, I will eventually be doing more to give the community greater control over the computed scores (today a simple average) and maybe even maintain individual computed scores for each user--so if you ignore a user you will then get a score without that user involved. I love this idea. I have n...
by Keith Levenberg
June 19th, 2009, 2:49 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Help, I'm in trouble.....the wife wants white Burgs!
Replies: 49
Views: 1480

Re: Help, I'm in trouble.....the wife wants white Burgs!

I second the Brun and Muscadet recs, or Nikolaihof Hefeabzug as another alternative, but why not mix a case of 12 different things? If one of 'em is totally up your alley you can refill, and if not at least you won't be condemned to drinking the same thing every day.
by Keith Levenberg
June 18th, 2009, 7:35 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The Whale is Gone?
Replies: 59
Views: 2826

Re: The Whale is Gone?

I guess that makes me a guppy. Or maybe an amoeba.
by Keith Levenberg
June 18th, 2009, 6:30 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Repatriate your own Tasting Notes to our new home?
Replies: 62
Views: 1809

Re: Repatriate your own Tasting Notes to our new home?

Cellartracker is much better equipped for note searching and archiving than any bulletin board software, go for it!
by Keith Levenberg
June 17th, 2009, 5:43 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Help with winesearcher. SWITZERLAND
Replies: 3
Views: 171

Re: Help with winesearcher. SWITZERLAND

No-brainer, have him tote over some Gantenbein pinot noir.

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