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by Mike Francisco
June 21st, 2017, 4:13 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What is the point of age?
Replies: 284
Views: 9609

What is the point of age?

Merrill Lindquist wrote:I did not read this thread. Every time I see the thread title, I think to myself that it is to humiliate women who were once considered attractive. Age. Yeah.
Merrill,
I hope we are in general, a little better then that. Humiliating ourselves and each other, now that we are all for!
by Mike Francisco
June 21st, 2017, 2:39 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What is the point of age?
Replies: 284
Views: 9609

What is the point of age?

Mark Golodetz wrote:Easy enough when he talks about wine, but taking pot shots at cricket? He has proved himself to be beyond salvation. [banhim.gif]
Sorry, to far, just kidding about the cricket thing. [oops.gif]
by Mike Francisco
June 21st, 2017, 1:31 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What is the point of age?
Replies: 284
Views: 9609

What is the point of age?

Mark,
I am sorry my opinion and your fragile ego have come together to cause you so much rectal discomfort, I hope you can get over it.

Also cricket is stupid, the bat is the wrong shape! flirtysmile
by Mike Francisco
June 21st, 2017, 12:34 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What is the point of age?
Replies: 284
Views: 9609

What is the point of age?

Here comes the wine blasphemy, for me very old wines ( again there are exceptions ) that are still kicking, start to lose all the things that set them apart, sense of place and the grapes they are made from. So a 50 year old Barolo and a 50 year old Bordeaux in essence both become just old red wine...
by Mike Francisco
June 20th, 2017, 4:41 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Would you rather drink a great vintage too young or....
Replies: 80
Views: 2253

Would you rather drink a great vintage too young or....

johngonzales wrote:I didn't read all of the thread. I would rather drink a wine that is much too young than one that is much too old. As far as I know, I've never dumped a bottle because it was way too young but have dumped plenty that are way to old.
Boy did you just open up a big can of worms. Good luck.
by Mike Francisco
June 20th, 2017, 1:04 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What is the point of age?
Replies: 284
Views: 9609

What is the point of age?

In the spirit of trying to move forward how about I retract the Bordeaux, Barolo thing? I seem like that is hanging a lot of people up. Don't retract it if you believe it. As I said above, although I don't agree with you, I don't think it is a position with no ground in reality. If there is a truth...
by Mike Francisco
June 20th, 2017, 9:40 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What is the point of age?
Replies: 284
Views: 9609

What is the point of age?

Put me in the camp of people who get plenty of pleasure out of wines 30+ years old. In the context of drinking these old wines, I find that nearly every bottle has something interesting to offer, even wines you might not expect to live for 40 years or so. I have had some duds - wines that were just...
by Mike Francisco
June 20th, 2017, 9:32 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What is the point of age?
Replies: 284
Views: 9609

What is the point of age?

I'm afraid there's still one more twist to this. Howard's example of an 82 Leoville Las Cases is well taken. Assume you are dealing with the (relative!) handful of wines with this track record, drinking history and life expectancy. Do you really think (putting aside questions of provenance, whose r...
by Mike Francisco
June 20th, 2017, 9:04 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What is the point of age?
Replies: 284
Views: 9609

What is the point of age?

Hi Mike I said provocative (not rude, obnoxious or belittling others) in reference to the quoted comments. The perils of covering different points in the same post The later 'rude' comment was referring to the response from Gerhard, though there was also some wider snark emerging on the thread that...
by Mike Francisco
June 19th, 2017, 4:24 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What is the point of age?
Replies: 284
Views: 9609

What is the point of age?

We really have got off on the wrong foot here haven't we? The phrase crapshoot is certainly ambiguous, with the usage of the phrase often implying far worse odds than the literal meaning. Rather than take issue with the meaning, better to move past the analogy. Yes it's a bet, one where for Mike th...
by Mike Francisco
June 19th, 2017, 2:56 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What is the point of age?
Replies: 284
Views: 9609

What is the point of age?

Well duh. If you want to age wines, you buy the tiny sliver of wineries with a track record for aging. It isn't random as you suggest. You don't buy wines from johny come lately. And it does not have to be expensive. You can buy Produttori Barbaresco, Prum, Zilliken, Lopez de Heredia and many other...
by Mike Francisco
June 19th, 2017, 1:14 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What is the point of age?
Replies: 284
Views: 9609

What is the point of age?

Now for old and aged, I agree that any bottle over about 30 years old is a total crap shoot. There are wines that go on forever (77 Dow I'm not sure will ever be mature) but are very far from common. I think where I disagree with you most is when you say that drinking a wine more than 20 years old ...
by Mike Francisco
June 19th, 2017, 4:33 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Would you rather drink a great vintage too young or....
Replies: 80
Views: 2253

Would you rather drink a great vintage too young or....

David Cooper wrote:I'm one who actually prefers great wines in off vintages. I know it's weird but I love the vulnerability such wines show. Clape 08 and 04 and 2011 Chablis.
Was 2011 an off year for Chablis?
by Mike Francisco
June 19th, 2017, 4:26 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What is the point of age?
Replies: 284
Views: 9609

What is the point of age?

Wow, this thread flew off the rails I would like to take a moment to thank everyone who have posted so far on this thread, and to thank Kim for starting it. It may not have been exactly what you were looking for, but boy has it been fascinating. So what is the point of aging wine? I would say the p...
by Mike Francisco
June 18th, 2017, 11:00 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What is the point of age?
Replies: 284
Views: 9609

What is the point of age?

Wow, this thread flew off the rails for the slightest of perceived slights. Indeed. I can see how people may view the assertions that: - "... a 50 year old Barolo and a 50 year old Bordeaux in essence both become just old red wine." & - "You know you are old when the only thing people can think to ...
by Mike Francisco
June 18th, 2017, 10:18 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What is the point of age?
Replies: 284
Views: 9609

What is the point of age?

but it is a fact (proven by many many wine geeks HERE and elsewhere) that a 50y old Barolo and a 50y old Bordeaux usually doesn´t taste/smell the same --> just old wine ... ... not in the least ... and that´s why I repeat that you either haven´t tasted many ... or you have no idea (which means you ...
by Mike Francisco
June 17th, 2017, 4:01 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What is the point of age?
Replies: 284
Views: 9609

What is the point of age?

Mike - it's not boorish or self-aggrandizing. If you'd only had a few Trader Joe wines and tried one with 20 years on and found it no good, that's a completely different take than having tasted many over many years, and it makes sense for others to suggest that you taste more widely. However, if yo...
by Mike Francisco
June 17th, 2017, 3:41 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What is the point of age?
Replies: 284
Views: 9609

What is the point of age?

... Or it could be I just happen to have a different opinion then you do. But then again, I would have more tact then to think you ignorant for not sharing my opinion. [wow.gif] Well, it may be your opinion: So a 50 year old Barolo and a 50 year old Bordeaux in essence both become just old red wine...
by Mike Francisco
June 17th, 2017, 1:25 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What is the point of age?
Replies: 284
Views: 9609

What is the point of age?

Mike - I don't think people were offering so much ridicule as you imagine. They were just talking from experience. Greg, With all due respect, I don't think you have read all the replies to my post on this tread, or at least not closely, because other posters have fond some of them distasteful enou...
by Mike Francisco
June 17th, 2017, 10:24 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What is the point of age?
Replies: 284
Views: 9609

What is the point of age?

Mike, I do not see any aggressivity in my comments on your messages. The fact to say that I disagree is not an attack but a discussion. And at no moment did I challenge your own experience. Thank you for your last sentence addressed to me. In such a subject, I talk with my experience on which I do ...
by Mike Francisco
June 17th, 2017, 8:13 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What is the point of age?
Replies: 284
Views: 9609

What is the point of age?

Now for old and aged, I agree that any bottle over about 30 years old is a total crap shoot. There are wines that go on forever (77 Dow I'm not sure will ever be mature) but are very far from common. All good wines have a "peak and plateau" and decline, each wine and bottle for that matter, reaches...
by Mike Francisco
June 14th, 2017, 4:05 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Would you rather drink a great vintage too young or....
Replies: 80
Views: 2253

Would you rather drink a great vintage too young or....

I notice a lot of great vintage wines that are currently considered "not ready". It bothers me because most of these, I have not had the pleasure of trying yet, for fear of wasting a great wine. How do you know that they're great if you haven't tried them? In fact, why on earth did you buy them? Wh...
by Mike Francisco
June 14th, 2017, 4:02 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Would you rather drink a great vintage too young or....
Replies: 80
Views: 2253

Would you rather drink a great vintage too young or....

I've been thinking a lot about this topic lately. Looking through my cellar, I notice a lot of great vintage wines that are currently considered "not ready". It bothers me because most of these, I have not had the pleasure of trying yet, for fear of wasting a great wine. So I guess my question is, ...
by Mike Francisco
June 12th, 2017, 2:03 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What is the point of age?
Replies: 284
Views: 9609

What is the point of age?

... Here comes the wine blasphemy, for me very old wines (again there are exceptions) that are still kicking, start to lose all the things that set them apart, sense of place and the grapes they are made from. So a 50 year old Barolo and a 50 year old Bordeaux in essence both become just old red wi...
by Mike Francisco
June 11th, 2017, 7:48 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What is the point of age?
Replies: 284
Views: 9609

What is the point of age?

Jonathan Loesberg wrote:Having followed this thread, I think it has taken a turn that gets away, perhaps, from the original question.
Jonathan,
I would respectfully but totally disagree, the knowledge and passion that has gone into this thread is the answer to the original question. champagne.gif
by Mike Francisco
June 10th, 2017, 11:07 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2014 Bedrock Wine Co. Syrah North Coast (USA, California, North Coast)
Replies: 4
Views: 476

TN: 2014 Bedrock Wine Co. Syrah North Coast (USA, California, North Coast)

2014 Bedrock Wine Co. Syrah North Coast - USA, California, North Coast (6/7/2017) Wow, this one is really coming into its own...definitely go-time on this wine, though it will certainly hold for several years. Unlike the bottle I opened several months ago, this one is ready to go from PNP. Lots of ...
by Mike Francisco
June 9th, 2017, 3:39 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What is the point of age?
Replies: 284
Views: 9609

What is the point of age?

I have been to blunt (again sorry Howard) and now I guess I am being to circumspect. So I will go back to my follow up to what Dan Kravitz (Dan don't get mad at me I am in no way saying these are your words but mine and mine alone) posted earlier where I took what he said a step further. First lets ...
by Mike Francisco
June 9th, 2017, 4:32 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What is the point of age?
Replies: 284
Views: 9609

What is the point of age?

Most of the Bordeaux I am drinking was purchased in vintages of 1982-1990 for very little money. Paid $12.50 on futures for 1982 Lynch Bages, for example. The key for me buying wines with a track record. Sorry I guess I'm a little confused only 4 of 13 wine from those posts are from 82 though 90? A...
by Mike Francisco
June 8th, 2017, 2:33 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What is the point of age?
Replies: 284
Views: 9609

What is the point of age?

Most of the Bordeaux I am drinking was purchased in vintages of 1982-1990 for very little money. Paid $12.50 on futures for 1982 Lynch Bages, for example. The key for me buying wines with a track record. Sorry I guess I'm a little confused only 4 of 13 wine from those posts are from 82 though 90? A...
by Mike Francisco
June 8th, 2017, 8:26 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What is the point of age?
Replies: 284
Views: 9609

What is the point of age?

to Howard Cooper, As I mentioned, the single exception to my 30 year deadline is red Bordeaux, which happens to encompass all but one of the wines you mentioned. Congrats on a fine 41 year old village Chambolle. Guyon is a texbook producer; the year was so hot that on paper this should have died a ...
by Mike Francisco
June 7th, 2017, 5:49 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: I hate fake corks
Replies: 31
Views: 1197

I hate fake corks

I feel bad for wineries, what are they supposed to do, bottle to order? Would you then be solely reasonable for the outcome... premox, corked, reduc...[head-bang.gif]
by Mike Francisco
June 6th, 2017, 9:00 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What is the point of age?
Replies: 284
Views: 9609

What is the point of age?

Sorry, have not read all of the posts, but will answer based on the questions: I have great doubts about wines that are 50 or more. Dessert wine excepted, IMO these are a roll of the dice. After 30 years (maybe 40 for red Bordeaux), bottle variation is enormous, and the odds of a good bottle dimini...
by Mike Francisco
June 2nd, 2017, 1:57 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Experience with cellar damage insurance claims
Replies: 29
Views: 1619

Experience with cellar damage insurance claims

I didn't stumble onto McCafeberserker.com by mistake did I? [dance-clap.gif]
by Mike Francisco
June 2nd, 2017, 9:56 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Experience with cellar damage insurance claims
Replies: 29
Views: 1619

Experience with cellar damage insurance claims

I'm sorry, but your client 'estimates a few days over 75' and is filing a damage claim against an insurance company??? First, unless the timeframe is much longer than a few days, and/or the temp got well above the stated temp AND THERE IS EITHER PROOF OF THAT, OR THERE IS SOME EVIDENCE OF DAMAGE (l...
by Mike Francisco
June 2nd, 2017, 9:31 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Best Champagne Values
Replies: 69
Views: 4164

Best Champagne Values

Rich Salsano wrote:NV Lallier Grand Cru for around $35.
+1
by Mike Francisco
June 1st, 2017, 6:50 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Mendocino Carignan and Red Recommendations?
Replies: 74
Views: 4074

Mendocino Carignan and Red Recommendations?

Just had the Vinca Minor Carignan from 2015 side by side with a barrel sample of the 2016, set for release later this summer, at a wine dinner hosted at Spencer, a great little farm to table restaurant in Ann Arbor both where lovely and worth trying if you can find them.
by Mike Francisco
May 18th, 2017, 3:02 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Under the Wire - Summer Release- June 7th
Replies: 42
Views: 4989

Under the Wire - Summer Release- June 7th

Everything was $45 to $50 a bottle last release as I remember.
by Mike Francisco
May 17th, 2017, 10:44 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Bad wine
Replies: 14
Views: 1620

Bad wine

I think Asimov is saying, like food there are two different categories of wine. In food you have the perfectly chemically balanced amalgam of salt, sugar and fat, from Chili's or McDonalds that is the same no matter what, and you have that farm to table place where you know where all the food is sou...
by Mike Francisco
May 15th, 2017, 2:13 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Best Champagne Values
Replies: 69
Views: 4164

Best Champagne Values

Coutier Brut Tradition is just great and a great value. champagne.gif
by Mike Francisco
May 13th, 2017, 2:36 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wine pairings: what order to go on this list?
Replies: 11
Views: 592

Wine pairings: what order to go on this list?

JeromeHan wrote:
Mike Francisco wrote:open and vigorously pour into another vassal,
So that's how lords decanted their wines during Feudalism! I kid I kid. neener
Spellcheck addds hammer to alt our lifes! champagne.gif
by Mike Francisco
May 13th, 2017, 8:21 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: For and against older Australian red wines
Replies: 69
Views: 3480

For and against older Australian red wines

When I go to gatherings where many are not that into wines, I will often bring wines I bought a while back that hold little interest to me know. Not because I am pawning them off, as much as, I find there are some people in these setting who really enjoy big robust wines, so why not share the wines ...
by Mike Francisco
May 12th, 2017, 2:33 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wine pairings: what order to go on this list?
Replies: 11
Views: 592

Wine pairings: what order to go on this list?

I would look at the alcohol of each wine and go lowest to highest. also there is one bottle you have 2 of I would hold the second bottle until the end so if you don't need it, you have something to remember the night. Also I would open and decant (open and vigorously pour into another vassal, you ca...
by Mike Francisco
May 11th, 2017, 1:26 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: A Discussion on Oak Usage - and 'Terroir' as well . . .
Replies: 99
Views: 3802

A Discussion on Oak Usage - and a Question

I would certainly object to the idea that the winemaker is putting his or her own "terroir" into the mix as you say. Winemaker style is essentially the opposite of terroir, at least to the extent that the more noticeable the winemaking style the more it obscures terroir. +1 Unless you are burying t...
by Mike Francisco
May 10th, 2017, 4:05 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: A Discussion on Oak Usage - and 'Terroir' as well . . .
Replies: 99
Views: 3802

A Discussion on Oak Usage - and a Question

Hi Larry It might be worth editing it to winemaker's style then. The T word in this context will be a red rag to a bullzerker and will dominate the discussion. regards Ian Ditto. It's a perversion of the term. Is oak usage/treatment/regimen sometimes part of a "house style?" Absolutely. But not alw...
by Mike Francisco
May 9th, 2017, 10:48 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The Myth Of Old Vines And Quality (over 50 years old Vines )
Replies: 62
Views: 3283

The Myth Of Old Vines And Quality (over 50 years old Vines )

When were were in Napa recently, we toured To Kalon vineyard as part of a Mondavi tasting. We were told the vines are replaced every 15-20 years due to production drop off. Always thought that was odd, but.... Mondavi is owned by Constellation Brands, so.... [soap.gif] They also own Ravenswood, who...
by Mike Francisco
May 8th, 2017, 6:04 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The Myth Of Old Vines And Quality (over 50 years old Vines )
Replies: 62
Views: 3283

The Myth Of Old Vines And Quality (over 50 years old Vines )

Michael Martin wrote:When were were in Napa recently, we toured To Kalon vineyard as part of a Mondavi tasting. We were told the vines are replaced every 15-20 years due to production drop off. Always thought that was odd, but....
Mondavi is owned by Constellation Brands, so.... [soap.gif]
by Mike Francisco
May 8th, 2017, 1:10 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The Myth Of Old Vines And Quality (over 50 years old Vines )
Replies: 62
Views: 3283

The Myth Of Old Vines And Quality (over 50 years old Vines )

Come on, this Don, John guy started his studies at 2 and his argument is just studded with verifiable facts and data, how can he be wrong? blush blahblah
by Mike Francisco
May 8th, 2017, 10:28 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: A theory on Bordeaux and why preferences differ
Replies: 13
Views: 1320

A theory on Bordeaux and why preferences differ

A big chunk of your argument strikes more to the heart of what makes truly great Bordeaux or any great wine from any great place for that matter, then is being credited. At the root, if the grapes are ripe and the winemaking is not flawed i.e. vinegar, then the more the grapes are over ripened the l...
by Mike Francisco
May 2nd, 2017, 11:17 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: wine service when paying corkage
Replies: 14
Views: 1285

wine service when paying corkage

Thanks for the thoughts, all. Jim, in case your question was not rhetorical as to what should the restaurant staff have done: a) our waiter, if she did not know how to open wines, should have asked someone else to open the wine b) if she does know how to open wines, she should have exercised a bit ...
by Mike Francisco
May 2nd, 2017, 11:02 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: wine service when paying corkage
Replies: 14
Views: 1285

wine service when paying corkage

Not their fault. Tough break. Just because you couldn't you smell TCA on that end of the cork doesn't mean it wasn't there, albeit in smaller proportions than the other end. Also, a crumbly cork is either your, the winery's or the cork supplier's fault, not the restaurant's. If you were worried abo...

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