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by William Kelley
May 23rd, 2020, 5:11 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2000 Vincent Dauvissat (René & Vincent) Chablis 1er Cru Séchet
Replies: 13
Views: 390

Re: TN: 2000 Vincent Dauvissat (René & Vincent) Chablis 1er Cru Séchet

Laurent Gibet wrote:
May 23rd, 2020, 5:01 am
Any other producer of Séchet ?
Several good ones! Samuel Billaud, Piuze and Louis Michel are my favorites.

But it was that 1976 Séchet that really opened my eyes to the long-term potential of wines from that site.
by William Kelley
May 23rd, 2020, 4:59 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2000 Vincent Dauvissat (René & Vincent) Chablis 1er Cru Séchet
Replies: 13
Views: 390

Re: TN: 2000 Vincent Dauvissat (René & Vincent) Chablis 1er Cru Séchet

What are the differences/similarities between Dauvissat Sechet and Forest? They are not actually that far away! Séchet is one of the cooler climats within Vaillons - south-easterly exposed and higher up the slope, and at the bottom of the valley which is less of a heat trap. So I'd say that if the ...
by William Kelley
May 22nd, 2020, 5:32 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2000 Vincent Dauvissat (René & Vincent) Chablis 1er Cru Séchet
Replies: 13
Views: 390

Re: TN: 2000 Vincent Dauvissat (René & Vincent) Chablis 1er Cru Séchet

Sechet (Secher, Sechets--they can't seem to make up their minds in France on these things) is sort of a favorite site of mine, maybe just because it's slightly out of the mainstream. But also perhaps because it tends to be higher on the "minerality" end of things, whatever that is. 1976 Séchet is u...
by William Kelley
May 22nd, 2020, 7:28 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Domaine Guillemot-Michel, Burgundy
Replies: 40
Views: 1948

Re: Domaine Guillemot-Michel, Burgundy

That sounds like quite an ordeal!
by William Kelley
May 22nd, 2020, 7:25 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Pinot Noir vine genetics in Burgundy: some photos
Replies: 32
Views: 1276

Re: Pinot Noir vine genetics in Burgundy: some photos

Dennis Borczon wrote:
May 22nd, 2020, 6:20 am
Meaning you like what lots of people who understand wine tend to like? I thought that was your job. Maybe importers just bring in things a few esoteric odd consumers enjoy...
Haha I think it was just intended to be pejorative, I haven't devoted too much mental energy to trying to unpack it.
by William Kelley
May 22nd, 2020, 5:08 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Pinot Noir vine genetics in Burgundy: some photos
Replies: 32
Views: 1276

Re: Pinot Noir vine genetics in Burgundy: some photos

Josh Grossman wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 7:34 pm
it seems William is in the avant-garde of wine
Thanks for the kind words! Though I should warn you that my palate was recently described as "bourgeois" by a US importer. champagne.gif
by William Kelley
May 22nd, 2020, 4:47 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Pinot Noir vine genetics in Burgundy: some photos
Replies: 32
Views: 1276

Re: Pinot Noir vine genetics in Burgundy: some photos

Would love to see Jim Anderson's thoughts on this topic. Me too! And those of Kevin Harvey at Rhys, who has some very interesting vine genetics planted in his vineyards. It is certainly interesting to pose the question how Burgundian selections of Pinot Noir (and there is plenty of Champenois, Germ...
by William Kelley
May 22nd, 2020, 4:39 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Pinot Noir vine genetics in Burgundy: some photos
Replies: 32
Views: 1276

Re: Pinot Noir vine genetics in Burgundy: some photos

Everyone she asked said clone 4 (Wente clone). It's even more complicated than that! There was a Wente selection, or family of selections, which came to Livermore from Burgundy and ended up at a variety of places including Stony Hill; and then a number of clonal selections derived from Wente materi...
by William Kelley
May 22nd, 2020, 4:33 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Pinot Noir vine genetics in Burgundy: some photos
Replies: 32
Views: 1276

Re: Pinot Noir vine genetics in Burgundy: some photos

Fun stuff. Tasting through Santa Barbara County left me pretty familiar with 115, 667, and 777 that I could tell if I was drinking something else like 828. This was one of the helpful sites when I was reading up on clonal selection http://www.princeofpinot.com/article/945/ Yeah, when I used to revi...
by William Kelley
May 22nd, 2020, 4:29 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: premox x 3
Replies: 24
Views: 1234

Re: TN: premox x 3

Thank you for the commentary. So, are you thinking the mediocre growing season coupled with the interventions are a large part of what went wrong in 2004? I wasn't really generalizing like that - I was just exploring a possible common chemical explanation for the parallel you pointed out between gr...
by William Kelley
May 21st, 2020, 5:52 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Pinot Noir vine genetics in Burgundy: some photos
Replies: 32
Views: 1276

Re: Pinot Noir vine genetics in Burgundy: some photos

William, thanks for posting on this. I think its an incredibly interesting topic that seems pretty difficult to discuss... especially in continuously massale planted vineyards. is it even possible to know all the pinot genetics in some of those vineyards? Nicolas Meo was talking about how genetics ...
by William Kelley
May 21st, 2020, 5:50 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Pinot Noir vine genetics in Burgundy: some photos
Replies: 32
Views: 1276

Re: Pinot Noir vine genetics in Burgundy: some photos

There's a clone/selection known as "828" originally from Oregon, and now in CA, that is an upright Pinot. This is not the same clone as ENTAV 828. I don't think of the Pommard selection as upright... but others will surely comment. I was being a little provocative, because the clusters themselves l...
by William Kelley
May 21st, 2020, 5:31 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: An article on Cédric Bouchard...
Replies: 26
Views: 1294

Re: An article on Cédric Bouchard...

William, Great article; really well done. It reminded me of how much I enjoy Cédric's wines, what a great man and soul he is, and how long it has been since I visited with him. The ageability and improvement potential of his wines is an interesting one. Early on, I think there were two clear camps ...
by William Kelley
May 21st, 2020, 5:28 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: An article on Cédric Bouchard...
Replies: 26
Views: 1294

Re: An article on Cédric Bouchard...

Good to hear on some accounts if the old vintages holding up. I have a half case of 04/05/06 that I’ve been looking for the right occasion. I ordered a lot of mediocre wine from garagiste back in the day, but the introduction to Bouchard was the real prize for me from that mailing list. Those vinta...
by William Kelley
May 21st, 2020, 5:26 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Pinot Noir vine genetics in Burgundy: some photos
Replies: 32
Views: 1276

Re: Pinot Noir vine genetics in Burgundy: some photos

Do growers plant Pinot Droit anymore. In California and Oregon, it is called "Pommard clone" pileon I think there are absolutely still people planting clones (more so than selections) chosen for volume rather than quality these days. It would be nice to imagine otherwise, but that would be naive wh...
by William Kelley
May 21st, 2020, 5:20 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Pinot Noir vine genetics in Burgundy: some photos
Replies: 32
Views: 1276

Re: Pinot Noir vine genetics in Burgundy: some photos

I'm also wondering what the difference would be if that Volnay Santenots plot dropped about half of the fruit when it was still green and only kept the nicest bunches and if the vine age changes the cluster development. One problematic consequence of a green harvest could be even fatter, more infla...
by William Kelley
May 21st, 2020, 12:40 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Pinot Noir vine genetics in Burgundy: some photos
Replies: 32
Views: 1276

Re: Pinot Noir vine genetics in Burgundy: some photos

William, I don't know for sure, but there was more than one plot in the Engel Brulees and I don't think it was all pinot droit. Certainly Engerer & team at Eugenie immediately declassified some but kept the rest. Would be interested to know more Question is, did the wine improve when they started d...
by William Kelley
May 21st, 2020, 10:26 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: premox x 3
Replies: 24
Views: 1234

Re: TN: premox x 3

That’s interesting. Is residual copper sulfate on the grapes known to be an oxidation agent during the fermentation or aging process? Were late-season treatments pronounced or more prevalent in 2004 for Chardonnay compared to other vintages? Short answer is yes and yes. For example: https://www.awr...
by William Kelley
May 21st, 2020, 9:17 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Pinot Noir vine genetics in Burgundy: some photos
Replies: 32
Views: 1276

Pinot Noir vine genetics in Burgundy: some photos

We talk a lot about how minute variations in geology, exposition and mesoclimate influence wine character in Burgundy, but I think we tend to talk too little about the influence of vine genetics. I'm planning to post more about this in the future, but I was just organizing some photos and found some...
by William Kelley
May 21st, 2020, 8:58 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: An article on Cédric Bouchard...
Replies: 26
Views: 1294

Re: An article on Cédric Bouchard...

My answer to your second question leads on from the first: Cédric's Champagne evolve much more like still wines than most Champagne . A lot of the radical transformation that happens in most Champagne is related to Maillard-like reactions between sugars from dosage and amino acids from sur lattes a...
by William Kelley
May 21st, 2020, 8:51 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: An article on Cédric Bouchard...
Replies: 26
Views: 1294

Re: An article on Cédric Bouchard...

Great article, William. Is the "Inflorescence" line the second brand with Roses de Jeanne its first? I believe wines from his father’s vineyards were bottled under the Inflorescence label, which is no more after 2013. I’m not sure If that means he now owns the vines or if the moniker was just dropp...
by William Kelley
May 21st, 2020, 8:48 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Ramonet Morgeot 2014 (blanc)
Replies: 5
Views: 341

Re: Ramonet Morgeot 2014 (blanc)

On the nose reduction is immediately evident, say gunpowder and even some cornflakes (there is a different thread in which the someone mentions this characteristic on white burgundy, but I forgot where). Honestly, I think the aromatic signatures to which you are referring are more to do with cooper...
by William Kelley
May 21st, 2020, 8:40 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: premox x 3
Replies: 24
Views: 1234

Re: TN: premox x 3

I think what manifested as green flavors in the reds (now more brown) has recently shown up as oxidized flavors in the whites. The whites drank really well early on, but I haven't had much luck recently -- albeit limited to a few producers. I have some Blanchot left to check in on sooner then later...
by William Kelley
May 20th, 2020, 4:03 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: An article on Cédric Bouchard...
Replies: 26
Views: 1294

Re: An article on Cédric Bouchard...

Nice piece, William. I really like the wines, but struggle with two things: I have not found meaningful differences between the cuvees, and I'm not sure how they age. Would be interested in your thoughts. Well, I would reprise my comment on vintage variation not having a huge impact on the wines' q...
by William Kelley
May 20th, 2020, 9:53 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: An article on Cédric Bouchard...
Replies: 26
Views: 1294

Re: An article on Cédric Bouchard...

Really dove into these wines after you IG live video and have spent the time since amassing as much as I can (which can be quite difficult in the US when many stores will only sell single bottles of an allotment). Looking forward to following them over the years and the next few vintages, particula...
by William Kelley
May 20th, 2020, 9:46 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Burgundy | Baie par Baie "technique"
Replies: 23
Views: 1441

Re: Burgundy | Baie par Baie "technique"

Randall Pollard wrote:
May 19th, 2020, 3:32 pm
Have you tasted the wines of Moron Garcia? Cheers. PS I prefer the word peduncle! :-)
Not personally. I think Jasper Morris did, I'll fwd this to him.
by William Kelley
May 20th, 2020, 8:38 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: An article on Cédric Bouchard...
Replies: 26
Views: 1294

An article on Cédric Bouchard...

Just wanted to flag up that one of my articles—on Cédric Bouchard's Champagnes—is free-to-view on the Wine Advocate website. This was one of the pieces I enjoyed writing the most in 2019. https://www.robertparker.com/articles/TQz75LT9yvGmNNpa2/france-champagne-cedric-bouchard-champagne-s-reclusive-r...
by William Kelley
May 18th, 2020, 12:35 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: RIP Denis Durantou
Replies: 7
Views: 766

Re: RIP Denis Durantou

Was really sorry to learn of this the other day. I remember one time visiting Bordeaux as a student, I was walking through the vineyards of Pomerol with some friends on Bastille Day. Denis, who we'd tasted with the week before, pulled up and asked what we were up to. We explained, and then he asked ...
by William Kelley
May 18th, 2020, 10:45 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Three adjacent parcels of Meursault Perrières this Spring
Replies: 57
Views: 2363

Re: Three adjacent parcels of Meursault Perrières this Spring

Oh my William, this is opening up the proverbial can of nematodes! You had better hope none of those Burgundian farmers have a shotgun handy when you start poking around taking pix of the vineyards. You are indeed a courageous fellow. I definitely also notice vast differences in vineyards just casu...
by William Kelley
May 18th, 2020, 9:17 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Three adjacent parcels of Meursault Perrières this Spring
Replies: 57
Views: 2363

Re: Three adjacent parcels of Meursault Perrières this Spring

This is a terrific thread...thank you William for posting; and also thanks to Bill and Jasper for the additional comments. What is quite amazing to me is the clear demarcation between Coche and Darviot-Perrin vines. This virus is transmitted by nematodes, so how does Coche prevent transmission from...
by William Kelley
May 18th, 2020, 9:13 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Three adjacent parcels of Meursault Perrières this Spring
Replies: 57
Views: 2363

Re: Three adjacent parcels of Meursault Perrières this Spring

Thanks for posting this William. Great content. Clos Vougeot would be my vote if that were feasible. Clos Vougeot would be fun... even if it would be a very long video! But why not. Will certainly do Clos Saint-Jacques, as that's easy. Perhaps also a more general one on Pinot Noir vine genetics: lo...
by William Kelley
May 18th, 2020, 6:56 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Three adjacent parcels of Meursault Perrières this Spring
Replies: 57
Views: 2363

Re: Three adjacent parcels of Meursault Perrières this Spring

Great post William I agree with Bill that the yellow in Darviot-Perrin's vines is a virus problem and as such may not be typical of other plots of his - but clearly worrying here. NB this point. People throwing stones at Darviot-Perrin may want to row back a little on the criticism. AFAIK, they’ve ...
by William Kelley
May 18th, 2020, 4:06 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Three adjacent parcels of Meursault Perrières this Spring
Replies: 57
Views: 2363

Re: Three adjacent parcels of Meursault Perrières this Spring

Howard Cooper wrote:
May 18th, 2020, 3:53 am
Any similar pictures of the Bouchard section. Interested because it is the one I buy.
Not to hand, but it's nicely farmed. This was really just an off-the-cuff exercise, but I'm encouraged to repeat it more seriously. Any other plots folks would be curious to virtually check out?
by William Kelley
May 18th, 2020, 3:24 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Three adjacent parcels of Meursault Perrières this Spring
Replies: 57
Views: 2363

Re: Three adjacent parcels of Meursault Perrières this Spring

Okay, here are two short clips so you can all take a virtual walk along the track at the bottom of the vineyard...

https://youtu.be/NJ85bN2ml8o

https://youtu.be/J9E0iJC6_gQ
by William Kelley
May 18th, 2020, 3:00 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What is YOUR most recent wine purchase?
Replies: 13324
Views: 649596

Re: What is YOUR most recent wine purchase?

1x 1934 Comtes Lafon Meursault Charmes - never thought I would ever find a Lafon as old as this. Bought from an old cellar in the Mâconnais.
by William Kelley
May 18th, 2020, 2:46 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Three adjacent parcels of Meursault Perrières this Spring
Replies: 57
Views: 2363

Re: Three adjacent parcels of Meursault Perrières this Spring

Great post , William . Fwiw , Darviot does sell Meursault Perrieres . ( With my wine-club , we are collecting a lot of Perrieres to do a blind tasting of Meursault Perrieres 2014 , later this year ; that is how I discovered it ) . Papa Jean-Francois may be retired but he still works in the vineyard...
by William Kelley
May 17th, 2020, 6:04 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Three adjacent parcels of Meursault Perrières this Spring
Replies: 57
Views: 2363

Re: Three adjacent parcels of Meursault Perrières this Spring

William, thank you for starting this thread. Threads like this are when this board is at its best. My pleasure! Will do a lot more along these lines around harvest time. With some video, too. In fact, I have a video of the Coche parcel, where somehow the health of the vines comes across more vividl...
by William Kelley
May 17th, 2020, 5:20 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Three adjacent parcels of Meursault Perrières this Spring
Replies: 57
Views: 2363

Re: Three adjacent parcels of Meursault Perrières this Spring

Z Scheiner wrote:
May 17th, 2020, 5:01 pm
Are Domaines free to farm their parcels as they see fit? Prune, replace vines, plant cover, etc.?
Yes, absolutely (in Champagne they have less freedom). And equally, without wishing to sound too judgmental, they should also be held responsible for their choices. That is what has been missing.
by William Kelley
May 17th, 2020, 5:16 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Three adjacent parcels of Meursault Perrières this Spring
Replies: 57
Views: 2363

Re: Three adjacent parcels of Meursault Perrières this Spring

I am curious as to why there is such a difference. Part of it is attributable to slightly different locations in the vineyard of course. But what sort of farming (for lack of a better word) practices are (or are not being done) by Darviot-Perrin that result in such a difference? The simple answer i...
by William Kelley
May 17th, 2020, 2:57 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Three adjacent parcels of Meursault Perrières this Spring
Replies: 57
Views: 2363

Re: Three adjacent parcels of Meursault Perrières this Spring

We always talk about winemaking and winemakers as if the secrets are in the winery, while in many (most?) cases the secret is hard work in the vineyards. In fact, I think it's both. The differences between a producer such as Coche-Dury and a less conscientious domaine are just as massive in the cel...
by William Kelley
May 17th, 2020, 2:03 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: DIAM & avoiding oxidised white burgundy
Replies: 113
Views: 4142

Re: DIAM & avoiding oxidised white burgundy

patrick c albright wrote:
May 17th, 2020, 1:57 pm
I believe Lafitte also supplies DRC.
Heard back from a friend that DRC have quite a few different suppliers - Lafitte likely among them.
by William Kelley
May 17th, 2020, 1:44 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Three adjacent parcels of Meursault Perrières this Spring
Replies: 57
Views: 2363

Three adjacent parcels of Meursault Perrières this Spring

I'd hoped to take more photos and even make a few videos in the vineyards in Burgundy this Spring, but lockdown in France largely precluded that. I did manage to take a few photos of three contiguous parcels in Meursault Perrières, however, belonging to Domaine des Comtes Lafon, Domaine Coche-Dury, ...
by William Kelley
May 17th, 2020, 9:52 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: DIAM & avoiding oxidised white burgundy
Replies: 113
Views: 4142

Re: DIAM & avoiding oxidised white burgundy

Jerry Hey wrote:
May 17th, 2020, 9:40 am
PYCM wines have excellent long corks as well. I have met Pierre-Yves' cork supplier and he is very adamant about getting the very best quality cork.
Also F Sagrera!
by William Kelley
May 17th, 2020, 9:44 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Ponsot wines without Laurent?
Replies: 18
Views: 1237

Re: Ponsot wines without Laurent?

Sounds like the winemaking is of a piece with the labels...
by William Kelley
May 17th, 2020, 9:36 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: DIAM & avoiding oxidised white burgundy
Replies: 113
Views: 4142

Re: DIAM & avoiding oxidised white burgundy

i would be quite pleased if more producers in reds and whites switched to diam, unless they can maintain a cork source of the highest standard. There is pretty much where I stand on the issue, especially for whites. The best corks I see in contemporary Burgundy are Coche-Dury and d'Auvenay (F Sagre...
by William Kelley
May 17th, 2020, 4:47 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Bouchard Le Montrachet Anyone?
Replies: 33
Views: 1598

Re: Bouchard Le Montrachet Anyone?

Interesting opinions, I'd be curious what everyone's feelings are on Chevalier vs. Montrachet as I have always preferred Chevy due to more nerve, tension, and energy. Not an easy question to answer since it's hard to compare like with like; and I think the answer would depend on the year: in this e...
by William Kelley
May 16th, 2020, 2:07 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Saturday afternoon TNs: Three Chardonnays from Burgundy
Replies: 3
Views: 337

Re: Saturday afternoon TNs: Three Chardonnays from Burgundy

I'm a big fan of Bongran with age. I drank a bottle of the 2000 during lockdown in France and it was a great way to make a virtual visit to the Mâconnais—because that wine could come from nowhere else. The aging potential in a cold cellar is as long as almost anything made in Burgundy, and the "off"...
by William Kelley
May 16th, 2020, 9:41 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Bouchard Le Montrachet Anyone?
Replies: 33
Views: 1598

Re: Bouchard Le Montrachet Anyone?

All I can say is that the last few years of Bouchard's have done very well indeed in blind tastings. Frédéric Weber is doing a fine job with the domaine whites, and the farming in their Montrachet holdings is good. I bought a bottle of the 2017 Montrachet, as it's my daughter's birth year and I had ...
by William Kelley
May 15th, 2020, 10:10 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Ponsot wines without Laurent?
Replies: 18
Views: 1237

Re: Ponsot wines without Laurent?

Mark Golodetz wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 6:31 am
I have not had a chance to taste the current vintages. Are they at the same level as when Laurent made the wine?
Personally, I think they're better. But there has not been any kind of stylistic change, just some technical refinements. The style is still very much the Ponsot style.
by William Kelley
May 15th, 2020, 5:13 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Earn your stripes, nouvelle vague Burgundians.
Replies: 18
Views: 1043

Re: Earn your stripes, nouvelle vague Burgundians.

Is it me, or is finding good value in Burgundy akin to trying to break into a high security bank with laser detectors? I think the problem here is that people are still fixated on appellations. The mentality is very hard to escape. Even when a village wine is brilliant people will say it's "premier...

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