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by Cris Whetstone
November 16th, 2019, 10:20 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2009 Charles Joguet Chinon Clos de la Dioterie
Replies: 36
Views: 1001

Re: TN: 2009 Charles Joguet Chinon Clos de la Dioterie

Perhaps people are confusing brett with funk because that's what they want to see. That cuts both ways so I wouldn't just dismiss people that talk about a favorite producer in a way you do not favor as not knowing how to taste. But I would also point out that I don't think of brett free as "clean". ...
by Cris Whetstone
November 14th, 2019, 5:55 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2009 Charles Joguet Chinon Clos de la Dioterie
Replies: 36
Views: 1001

Re: TN: 2009 Charles Joguet Chinon Clos de la Dioterie

I'm with Doug. I would never call Baudry "clean" in terms of brett. It's the only producer I've repeatedly gotten brett from in recent releases. I like their wines when the brett level is low or non-existent but I've reached the point where they are a 'taste before buy' label. I've heard Joguet has ...
by Cris Whetstone
November 13th, 2019, 6:09 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2009 Charles Joguet Chinon Clos de la Dioterie
Replies: 36
Views: 1001

Re: TN: 2009 Charles Joguet Chinon Clos de la Dioterie

Thanks for the update. I listed my drinking window starting in 2019 but I doubt I'll even glance at one of these for another give years. A well aged example of this bottling remains one of the greatest wines I've ever had.
by Cris Whetstone
November 13th, 2019, 12:20 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Rhys Tasting with TNs
Replies: 43
Views: 2323

Re: Rhys Tasting with TNs

Cris, It’s interesting to me that baked/stewy shows up in so many of your 2013 Pinot notes. Worrisome. Well as Frank is the final word I guess you don't have to worry. [wink.gif] I notice that note in Pinot a lot from riper climates. It might be just how I express the fruit. It might be something I...
by Cris Whetstone
November 12th, 2019, 8:40 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Rhys Tasting with TNs
Replies: 43
Views: 2323

Re: Rhys Tasting with TNs

Here are my impressions. Not really doing full CT treatment minus a few exceptions. A fun tasting. A big range here. Some showed much bigger than I expected but few were as large as what we think of as bigger CA Pinot. A lot of the wines were in funky places. I remember talking to Viet about how he ...
by Cris Whetstone
October 22nd, 2019, 7:27 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Aglianico
Replies: 60
Views: 2342

Re: Aglianico

Want to recommend a good traditional one I could find in the US? Near me, Hi Time has these: STEFANIA BARBOT 2015 ION AGLIANICO IRPINA $26.95 MASTROBERARDINO "RADICI" 2011 TAURASI RISERVA $59.98 TERREDORA DIPAOLO 2012 TAURASI $29.98 GALARDI 2016 TERRA DI LAVORO ROCCAMONFINA $64.95 And Wine Exchange...
by Cris Whetstone
October 13th, 2019, 2:57 pm
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: San Clemente on Saturday November 9th UPDATED POST 1
Replies: 56
Views: 3473

Re: San Clemente on Saturday November 9th UPDATED POST 1

I have developed a conflict for that night. Sorry to miss you.
by Cris Whetstone
September 19th, 2019, 12:34 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Ridge Grenache Blanc...Who Knew??
Replies: 25
Views: 1479

Re: Ridge Grenache Blanc...Who Knew??

Hank Victor wrote:
September 19th, 2019, 12:22 pm
Markus S wrote:
September 19th, 2019, 12:15 pm
Does it have the typical simple RIDGE label?
Looks like it.

https://www.ridgewine.com/wines/2018-grenache-blanc/
Wholesale Only Release
Interesting. I wonder what the story is.
by Cris Whetstone
September 19th, 2019, 12:17 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: "Robert Parker" Wine Advocate
Replies: 62
Views: 3845

Re: "Robert Parker" Wine Advocate

While I'm sure many would equate the quality of RMP's notes with that of a McDonald's hamburger, it's either cognitive dissonance or forced intellectual dishonesty to equate opinions on products and actual products.
by Cris Whetstone
September 17th, 2019, 5:56 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: "Robert Parker" Wine Advocate
Replies: 62
Views: 3845

Re: "Robert Parker" Wine Advocate

As Alan alludes to many of the comparisons given in this thread don't work at all. Ford or Disney created products. The companies they founded continue to create products. The Wine Advocate was a place where Robert Parker reviewed wines. You can argue his opinion was his product but that's kind of t...
by Cris Whetstone
September 17th, 2019, 5:42 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: If you have offsite storage, how many bottles do you keep at home
Replies: 60
Views: 2765

Re: If you have offsite storage, how many bottles do you keep at home

I have learned (the hard way) that the key to keeping a lean inventory at home is to ensure that your offsite cellar is organized by drinking date. Stuff to be aged goes in the back, stuff to be consumed goes in the front. That way you don't have to rummage through dozens of heavy boxes in order to...
by Cris Whetstone
September 15th, 2019, 6:03 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: If you have offsite storage, how many bottles do you keep at home
Replies: 60
Views: 2765

Re: If you have offsite storage, how many bottles do you keep at home

I have a small wine fridge at home now. I keep 30-45 bottles in there. The rest is offsite. It's not difficult to go to my offsite every month or so to get more for home if needed/wanted.
by Cris Whetstone
September 10th, 2019, 6:40 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Go get your 1 bottle of 08 Cristal at Bevmo for $175!
Replies: 7
Views: 881

Re: Go get your 1 bottle of 08 Cristal at Bevmo for $175!

I don't think the same coupons go out to all members. I think they parcel them out regionally.

The only coupons I seem to get for Total Wine any more are for their 'winery direct' wines.
by Cris Whetstone
September 10th, 2019, 5:33 pm
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: Los Gatos CA Sept 17: Older Rhys with Kevin
Replies: 135
Views: 5082

Re: As of 9/9: Please re-confirm: Los Gatos CA Sept 17: Older Rhys

Can't swing the midweek thing right now. Sorry to miss everyone. Enjoy!
by Cris Whetstone
September 7th, 2019, 12:04 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days
Replies: 1642
Views: 93328

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

EHeffner wrote:
September 7th, 2019, 11:59 am
Previously offered May 22. FWIW, I didn’t receive a recent email for it
That's what I thought. I already have some in my cellar though since I know they do more than one Special Club I thought maybe it was possibly something else.

I also did not receive this offer.
by Cris Whetstone
September 7th, 2019, 11:57 am
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: Mini-BerserkerFest 10.4 at my house (San Clemente CA), September 7 2019 - NEW START TIME
Replies: 100
Views: 4351

Re: Mini-BerserkerFest 10.4 at my house (San Clemente CA), September 7 2019 - NEW START TIME

Cris - thanks (the tree out back must be producing like crazy, huh? jealous...) Naw. The neighbors cut that down. I just bring it because I know how to make it decent and it's great in the summer. I can do spring rolls if people would rather and Jay doesn't want to bother. I live near more than one...
by Cris Whetstone
September 7th, 2019, 11:54 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days
Replies: 1642
Views: 93328

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Nice offer on the Gimmonet Special Club Did not see this and I’m a big fan of these wines. Mind sharing what it was? $65 a bottle for the 2012 Special Club Millesime. Email directed to buy on the website, but only 4 left after I purchased. Might still be there? This has been offered previously, yeah?
by Cris Whetstone
September 7th, 2019, 11:53 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Esther Mobley tells you how to look like a total newb
Replies: 47
Views: 2609

Re: Esther Mobley tells you how to look like a total newb

I guess the issue I really have with the article is that it is feeding people some talking points without a lot of context. I would say that if someone is truly interested in learning more about wine, the first thing to do would be to read some articles or books about basic winemaking techniques an...
by Cris Whetstone
September 7th, 2019, 11:51 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Esther Mobley tells you how to look like a total newb
Replies: 47
Views: 2609

Re: Esther Mobley tells you how to look like a total newb

I've been pretty shocked by the reactions to this article and the further doubling down. The way this is posted is more beyond usefulness than the source article is. It's clearly an article to give people who don't know jack about wine something more interesting and more importantly, on point to ask...
by Cris Whetstone
September 7th, 2019, 12:05 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: WTF is the problem with Chardonnay?
Replies: 159
Views: 8116

Re: WTF is the problem with Chardonnay?

I always wonder. Is the 'down the drain' thing like some sort of virtue signal bragging or merely consumerist tantrums in public?
by Cris Whetstone
September 6th, 2019, 7:28 pm
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: Mini-BerserkerFest 10.4 at my house (San Clemente CA), September 7 2019 - NEW START TIME
Replies: 100
Views: 4351

Re: Mini-BerserkerFest 10.4 at my house (San Clemente CA), September 7 2019 - NEW START TIME

Cris - thanks (the tree out back must be producing like crazy, huh? jealous...) Naw. The neighbors cut that down. I just bring it because I know how to make it decent and it's great in the summer. I can do spring rolls if people would rather and Jay doesn't want to bother. I live near more than one...
by Cris Whetstone
September 1st, 2019, 9:27 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: WTF is the problem with Chardonnay?
Replies: 159
Views: 8116

Re: WTF is the problem with Chardonnay?

I also think there's a board skew here in general. I hear speak of $35+ Chards etc as a norm etc. I don't know about your wives, but me coming home with an "everyday" Chard from the supermarket for $35, just isn't gonna go over that well. For her that's a high end wine that needs to be saved and no...
by Cris Whetstone
August 30th, 2019, 4:46 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Friday poll: Bordeaux Rouge vs. Burgundy Rouge
Replies: 52
Views: 1851

Re: Friday poll: Bordeaux Rouge vs. Burgundy Rouge

Neal.Mollen wrote:
August 30th, 2019, 4:39 pm
2007 CdP. En magnum
But only for the sushi bar.
by Cris Whetstone
August 28th, 2019, 12:39 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Even more preposterous...new Napa Cabernet
Replies: 56
Views: 3711

Re: Even more preposterous...new Napa Cabernet

Somebody really loves themselves.
by Cris Whetstone
August 28th, 2019, 12:29 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Favorite Vintners in Savoy?
Replies: 22
Views: 930

Re: Favorite Vintners in Savoy?

I'm a big fan of wines from Apremont. Similar to Muscadet in terms of build and value but still out from the hipster eye. They are made from the Jacquère variety.

Three producers I've had very good wines from:

Marc Portaz
Jean Masson
R&B Bernard
by Cris Whetstone
August 27th, 2019, 5:32 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Why don't I buy more Louis Michel Chablis?
Replies: 36
Views: 2226

Re: Why don't I buy more Louis Michel Chablis?

Chris, sounds like vintage character more than producer. LM is noted for using mostly (all?) stainless, with little or no wood contact. So the wines are often quite taut and crisp. 2017 is reputed to be an outstanding white burgundy and Chablis vintage, try something from the vintage and see if it ...
by Cris Whetstone
August 27th, 2019, 12:08 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Suntacular 2019--a bunch of Champagne TNs and some red wines
Replies: 10
Views: 1025

Re: Suntacular 2019--a bunch of Champagne TNs and some red wines

EHeffner wrote:
August 27th, 2019, 6:13 am
These notes convinced me to grab a bottle of the Remy Massin. Excited to try it!
Yeah. Tex pinged me on CT after I wrote my note and he was going to get some more. I didn't realize or had forgotten Greg had some more on pre-arrival. I grabbed a couple more bottles on the news.
by Cris Whetstone
August 26th, 2019, 8:23 pm
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: Mini-BerserkerFest 10.4 at my house (San Clemente CA), September 7 2019 - NEW START TIME
Replies: 100
Views: 4351

Re: Mini-BerserkerFest 10.4 at my house (San Clemente CA), September 7 2019 (Kane comes to town)

My name still isn't on the list but I'm hoping to come. I'll just crib the address from someone else.

I can bring some guac again if that's wanted. Or not.

Anymore talk of wine themes? Wines Brad hates maybe?
by Cris Whetstone
August 26th, 2019, 7:59 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Suntacular 2019--a bunch of Champagne TNs and some red wines
Replies: 10
Views: 1025

Re: Suntacular 2019--a bunch of Champagne TNs and some red wines

Here are my quick hits. I didn't spend a lot of time on anything. Lot's of good wines. More than I remembered as I read through my notes. Thanks to the Murray's for hosting and organizing again. Thanks to everyone for the company. [cheers.gif] SUNTACULAR - Frank Murray's Casa (8/24/2019) NV Minière ...
by Cris Whetstone
August 24th, 2019, 11:47 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days
Replies: 1642
Views: 93328

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

FWIW, the August boat arrived and I picked up some stuff a week or so ago. Terry pulled my order with not much notice. She really does a good job for the customers. Miniere, Jacquesson, Mouzon-Leroux were in the box. Yep. They dumped a bunch of my orders at my cellar yesterday. Wasn't expecting tha...
by Cris Whetstone
August 24th, 2019, 9:16 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2009 R. Lopez de Heredia Vina Cubillo
Replies: 13
Views: 870

Re: TN: 2009 R. Lopez de Heredia Vina Cubillo

I've always wanted to like the Cubillo bottling but it never seems to deliver enough to warrant future purchases. Maybe in some vintages it over performs but the pedigree doesn't seem to follow for me on this bottling.
by Cris Whetstone
August 24th, 2019, 9:13 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: WTF is the problem with Chardonnay?
Replies: 159
Views: 8116

Re: WTF is the problem with Chardonnay?

I'm with Larry. This doesn't sound like an issue with "Chardonnay".
by Cris Whetstone
August 21st, 2019, 5:09 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Halcon Vineyards Visit August 2019
Replies: 13
Views: 972

Re: Halcon Vineyards Visit August 2019

Thanks for the write up. A severely underappreciated winery.
by Cris Whetstone
August 21st, 2019, 5:04 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: OK to store long-term in OWC?
Replies: 37
Views: 2280

Re: OK to store long-term in OWC?

I would wrap them in tin foil. Or aluminum foil. The tissue may invite silverfish. And the OWC may be a vector for bacteria, mold, and all kinds of other things. I would take the wine out of the boxes and burn the boxes as soon as they arrived. Get a good disinfectant, wipe down the bottles, burn a...
by Cris Whetstone
August 20th, 2019, 4:53 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Repour wine saver - anyone use this?
Replies: 161
Views: 7971

Re: Repour wine saver - anyone use this?

I use them for older wines that I want to split over two nights. I've had good results thus far. For the most part wines that are not old enough to be almost gone will hold pretty close to what they were on the first night. Not every time, but most times. Younger wines I just prefer to see how how t...
by Cris Whetstone
August 18th, 2019, 5:57 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: CellarTracker scores by region
Replies: 19
Views: 988

Re: CellarTracker scores by region

Of course some people rate their favorite region better than others. Some people also rate their favorite producers higher than others of similar quality. Some will rate wines from certain nations or states better than the others. Some have been vocal about such things. Some people rate wines of ce...
by Cris Whetstone
August 17th, 2019, 2:17 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: OK to store long-term in OWC?
Replies: 37
Views: 2280

Re: OK to store long-term in OWC?

It's fine. It's also preferred if you ever decide to sell.

They are great for stacking for long term storage. They suck for moving things around often so when you break them open I would transfer the bottles to boxes or racks if you can.
by Cris Whetstone
August 17th, 2019, 2:10 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: CellarTracker scores by region
Replies: 19
Views: 988

Re: CellarTracker scores by region

Of course some people rate their favorite region better than others. Some people also rate their favorite producers higher than others of similar quality. Some will rate wines from certain nations or states better than the others. Some have been vocal about such things. Some people rate wines of cer...
by Cris Whetstone
August 14th, 2019, 12:22 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Dunnuck: Downstream w/ JustinSmith
Replies: 35
Views: 2448

Re: Dunnuck: Downstream w/ JustinSmith

What Greg said.

It would be horrible/hilarious if there was a sudden surge in triple digit Zinfandel after all these years of sneers.
by Cris Whetstone
August 11th, 2019, 5:17 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Rhys fined $3.76M for illegally diverting water in Anderson Valley
Replies: 359
Views: 27393

Re: Rhys fined $3.76M for illegally diverting water in Anderson Valley

I've been hearing various versions of the whole 'businesses and people are leaving California in droves because of all the taxes and regulations' for close to 40 years. Or most all of my life in which I cared to pay attention to such things. They continue to say this in the face of all evidence to t...
by Cris Whetstone
August 6th, 2019, 12:44 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Rhys fined $3.76M for illegally diverting water in Anderson Valley
Replies: 359
Views: 27393

Re: Rhys fined $3.76M for illegally diverting water in Anderson Valley

Alan, can you explain to us why you think regulatory agencies should be in the service of making sure companies are profitable even in cases where those companies start out by breaking said regulations? Shouldn't the companies comply with the very public regulations from the start in order to be pro...
by Cris Whetstone
August 5th, 2019, 8:18 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Rhys fined $3.76M for illegally diverting water in Anderson Valley
Replies: 359
Views: 27393

Re: Rhys fined $3.76M for illegally diverting water in Anderson Valley

Unless you know something about the people involved that we do not, Alan, your wild speculations about those people and their professionalism are as unfounded and deliberately caustic as the people attacking Kevin because he's known to be wealthy.
by Cris Whetstone
August 5th, 2019, 6:44 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Rhys fined $3.76M for illegally diverting water in Anderson Valley
Replies: 359
Views: 27393

Re: Rhys fined $3.76M for illegally diverting water in Anderson Valley

To those who want Kevin to come and give deeper explanations, I'm guessing the legal team representing Rhys would be quite against that.
by Cris Whetstone
August 5th, 2019, 6:11 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Rhys fined $3.76M for illegally diverting water in Anderson Valley
Replies: 359
Views: 27393

Re: Rhys fined $3.76M for illegally diverting water in Anderson Valley

The posted report is eye opening. At least for me. 1. It mentions several times it is making comparisons to 2015 from another inspection in 2017. They knew there was an inspection of the area and went ahead with some major work. This was no accident. 2. The work done as described in that report is f...
by Cris Whetstone
August 5th, 2019, 5:44 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 1999 Chateau Musar (Lebanon, Bekaa Valley)
Replies: 15
Views: 683

Re: TN: 1999 Chateau Musar (Lebanon, Bekaa Valley)

This has got to be one of their best wines. I thought it was just coming into it's own when I had it last. I've been trying like hell to keep my hands off my couple bottles but I can see one going down before the year is out.
by Cris Whetstone
August 4th, 2019, 11:11 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Rhys fined $3.76M for illegally diverting water in Anderson Valley
Replies: 359
Views: 27393

Re: Rhys fined $3.76M for illegally diverting water in Anderson Valley

I had more to say but Mr Swain dropped a bomb that took some breath away. I'll not comment on the particulars post that. But on the red herring about traffic in the Bay Area and development there, due to that and development across the state we are down to less that 10% of historical wetlands being ...
by Cris Whetstone
July 23rd, 2019, 6:44 pm
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: Los Gatos CA Sept 17: Older Rhys with Kevin
Replies: 135
Views: 5082

Re: Dinner at Golden Triangle in Los Gatos Sept or Oct Rhys pinots mostly, plus wines from SCM grapes

If this happens in September, color me interested.

(Pssst! Bearwallow is in Anderson Valley.)

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