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by Robert Sand
January 8th, 2020, 7:27 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2015 Barthod Bourgogne
Replies: 34
Views: 1512

Re: TN: 2015 Barthod Bourgogne

I only managed 10 bottles ... and it is gorgeous... ...but 50$????...somebody is making a huge profit...and it aint the producer... It´s between 25 and 30 here in Germany, depending on vintage, at least the low offers. However a lot for a Bourgogne PN If I could get this for $25 I'd be buying multi...
by Robert Sand
January 8th, 2020, 6:47 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2015 Barthod Bourgogne
Replies: 34
Views: 1512

Re: TN: 2015 Barthod Bourgogne

I would happily buy every bottle of that '15 Bourgogne I could find at $50. I only managed 10 bottles ... and it is gorgeous... ...but 50$????...somebody is making a huge profit...and it aint the producer... It´s between 25 and 30 here in Germany, depending on vintage, at least the low offers. Howe...
by Robert Sand
January 8th, 2020, 6:41 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: A scientist's view of the right Champagne glass
Replies: 36
Views: 1718

Re: A scientist's view of the right Champagne glass

I didn´t read all postings carefully, but if I´m not mistaken a certain point is missing here: Champagne/sparkling glasses always have a "pin point" at the bottom where the bubbles start to origine - wine glasses usually don´t have any - and therefore Champagne drunk out of wine (or brandy or whatev...
by Robert Sand
January 7th, 2020, 7:44 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Prieure-Roch and Bernstein
Replies: 34
Views: 1789

Re: Prieure-Roch and Bernstein

Just FWIW: I just saw in the catalogue for an auction in Munich Prieure Roch 2015 1 x 0,75l Vosne Romanee Le Clos Goillotte estimate: EUR 1150 - 1640 They state that it is the site below La Tâche, but that´s not really true, the Clos Eugenie (former Clos Frantin) is in between, and Goillotte is real...
by Robert Sand
January 7th, 2020, 7:00 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Is "Down the drain" the NEW HOBBY?
Replies: 54
Views: 2747

Re: Is "Down the drain" the NEW HOBBY?

What I have forgotten to add: "down the drain" seems to happen quite often immediately after initial disapointment, often without advanced opening, and well before watching the evolution of the wine for several hours hours, even several days (I know there are exceptions here who do that). If I had ...
by Robert Sand
January 7th, 2020, 4:20 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Is "Down the drain" the NEW HOBBY?
Replies: 54
Views: 2747

Re: Is "Down the drain" the NEW HOBBY?

What I have forgotten to add: "down the drain" seems to happen quite often immediately after initial disapointment, often without advanced opening, and well before watching the evolution of the wine for several hours hours, even several days (I know there are exceptions here who do that). If I had g...
by Robert Sand
January 7th, 2020, 3:01 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Is "Down the drain" the NEW HOBBY?
Replies: 54
Views: 2747

Is "Down the drain" the NEW HOBBY?

I am puzzled how often I can read here "I put it down the drain"! May it be a totally TCA infested wine (which I understand), but also wines with "too much" alcohol content, overripe, pruney, port-like, premoxed, too much oak - past its prime, over the hill, not to my taste etc. etc. - all is going ...
by Robert Sand
December 23rd, 2019, 9:31 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2008 red burgundy premier cru..... sucks
Replies: 66
Views: 5083

Re: 2008 red burgundy premier cru..... sucks

Plenty of fruit left in 08s from good producers. Don’t confuse sleeping fruit with missing fruit. I have opened numerous 08s in the past year and all were various degrees of delicious. True, I like 96s. But if you don’t like acid in your pinots, drink CA pinot not burgundy. Plus Fourrier Cherbaudes...
by Robert Sand
December 23rd, 2019, 1:04 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2008 red burgundy premier cru..... sucks
Replies: 66
Views: 5083

Re: 2008 red burgundy premier cru..... sucks

Scott Brunson wrote:
December 22nd, 2019, 1:47 pm
We've always loved '08s--terroir vintage IMO.
More an acid vintage imo, the terroir often hidden behind shrill acidity.
Not a great fan, acidity do not get less with age (like tannins).
But there are exceptions where I think it eventually will work out well.
by Robert Sand
December 19th, 2019, 11:42 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2008 red burgundy premier cru..... sucks
Replies: 66
Views: 5083

Re: 2008 red burgundy premier cru..... sucks

I had a Vosne 1er Cru 2008 recently (Lamarche), barely any fruit, only acidity, sharp, unenjoyable -
no idea if there is anything to develope and evolve - ?
by Robert Sand
November 27th, 2019, 5:28 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Yet Another Reason Not to Have a Government Monopoly Selling Wine
Replies: 19
Views: 1390

Re: Yet Another Reason Not to Have a Government Monopoly Selling Wine

While I do not understand the issue with the cases (they are not showy but no harm to the wine either) I´m against all monopolies reg. wine (and other goods). Simply a way controlling tax flow - to the disadvantage of the inhabitants. In Germany, and actually almost everywhere in the EU, I can buy a...
by Robert Sand
November 27th, 2019, 5:19 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 1995 Chateau Magdelaine, St. Emilion - and some advisory comments for folks with more than half of a brain
Replies: 25
Views: 954

Re: TN: 1995 Chateau Magdelaine, St. Emilion - and some advisory comments for folks with more than half of a brain

I´m considering myself owning more than half a brain. I would not - not even after a long working day - pop a wine of this class without proper preparation. Nobody should, except having cases of it in the cellar, so it doesn´t hurt much. I have a lot of easier wines in the cellar for immediate consu...
by Robert Sand
November 26th, 2019, 10:07 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: When you say, "This wine is undrinkable..."
Replies: 61
Views: 2211

Re: When you say, "This wine is undrinkable..."

I cannot speak for others, but I would call a wine "undrinkable" when it´s tasting/smelling that bad that I do not want to have another sip of it in my mouth. That´s usually the case when it´s seriously flawed (TCA, heavy brett, strong volatile acidity, heavy oxidation etc.) or - very rarely - absol...
by Robert Sand
November 20th, 2019, 8:32 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Are there objectively good and bad wines?
Replies: 100
Views: 3403

Re: Are there objectively good and bad wines?

That is the point. If objectivity is not 100%, then what is it? Over 70%? And does that change according to the reputation of the experts? It just doesn’t work. I don’t think you can call any wines good or bad simply because there will never be 100% agreement. It is not like 2+2, which is a demonst...
by Robert Sand
November 20th, 2019, 1:21 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 1990 André Brunel Châteauneuf du Pape Les Cailloux
Replies: 12
Views: 714

Re: TN: 1990 André Brunel Châteauneuf du Pape Les Cailloux

Nice to see this note. Drank all mine probably 20 years ago. The same vintage Cuvee Centennaire was flat out fantastic for a long time. Been a while since I had one of those as well but it was best for my tastes at under 20 years old. That is a blast from the past. I remember the 1990 CC at about a...
by Robert Sand
November 20th, 2019, 1:16 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Are there objectively good and bad wines?
Replies: 100
Views: 3403

Re: Are there objectively good and bad wines?

All those who deny that there are "objectively" bad wines (not 100% objectively, but to a high degree) deserve to drink these wine for the rest of their life - just to admit that there are (objecvtively) better wines ... champagne.gif Objectivity 'to a high degree' is no objectivity. If objectivity...
by Robert Sand
November 19th, 2019, 1:56 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 1990 André Brunel Châteauneuf du Pape Les Cailloux
Replies: 12
Views: 714

Re: TN: 1990 André Brunel Châteauneuf du Pape Les Cailloux

This bottle carries the "Reflets" neck label, which IIRC means it was a late release. From a French cellar, it's showing beautifully, offering up complex aromas of earthy blackberries, ripe cherries, smoked meats, lavender and garrigue. On the palate, the wine is full-bodied, rich and enveloping, w...
by Robert Sand
November 19th, 2019, 1:53 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Are there objectively good and bad wines?
Replies: 100
Views: 3403

Re: Are there objectively good and bad wines?

All those who deny that there are "objectively" bad wines (not 100% objectively, but to a high degree) deserve to drink these wine for the rest of their life - just to admit that there are (objecvtively) better wines ...
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by Robert Sand
November 19th, 2019, 5:47 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 1990 André Brunel Châteauneuf du Pape Les Cailloux
Replies: 12
Views: 714

Re: TN: 1990 André Brunel Châteauneuf du Pape Les Cailloux

This bottle carries the "Reflets" neck label, which IIRC means it was a late release. From a French cellar, it's showing beautifully, offering up complex aromas of earthy blackberries, ripe cherries, smoked meats, lavender and garrigue. On the palate, the wine is full-bodied, rich and enveloping, w...
by Robert Sand
November 18th, 2019, 12:32 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN 2005 Hudelot-Noellat VR “Beaumonts”??
Replies: 8
Views: 664

Re: TN 2005 Hudelot-Noellat VR “Beaumonts”??

Cannot comment on the question label/cork, both is possible, but generally 2005 is a vintage not very expressive and giving at the moment,
too young and in need of at least 5-7 more years imo.
by Robert Sand
November 17th, 2019, 6:12 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Are there objectively good and bad wines?
Replies: 100
Views: 3403

Re: Are there objectively good and bad wines?

So to touch on another thread, does faith to the grape play in? Can a Pinot that drinks as the world’s greatest Syrah be a good wine? I imagine that the answers will be “ no” and “perhaps, if it is not manipulated to do so” but I am curious. >Can a Pinot that drinks as the world’s greatest Syrah be...
by Robert Sand
November 17th, 2019, 1:45 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Are there objectively good and bad wines?
Replies: 100
Views: 3403

Re: Are there objectively good and bad wines?

As I wrote in the other thread: it needs an expert to determine if something is good/bad/better/worse - but that´s what experts are for! I once again use the comparison with music: nobody (I hope so) will deny that Mozart wrote "good" music, and many might say he´s been one of the best composers of ...
by Robert Sand
November 16th, 2019, 1:16 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Burgundy 2018, impressions from barrel
Replies: 125
Views: 8353

Re: Burgundy 2018, impressions from barrel

Is Mozart crap because I love Jazz or the other way round? Sorry, but that would be a caricature of a music critic IMO. Jurgen, I think what people are suggesting is that there's really no point in having a jazz critic review Mozart "objectively". There are jazz critics, there are classic music cri...
by Robert Sand
October 15th, 2019, 11:41 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 1976 Mouton, 1988 Cos d’Estournel
Replies: 34
Views: 1763

Re: TN: 1976 Mouton, 1988 Cos d’Estournel

I have never understood why Mouton was elevated to First Growth status and none of the so called Super Seconds, Palmer included. If any, a more flexible classification would certainly be appropriate. In my view, however, the outdated 1855 classification belongs in a museum. [berserker.gif] Well, wh...
by Robert Sand
October 15th, 2019, 1:44 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 1976 Mouton, 1988 Cos d’Estournel
Replies: 34
Views: 1763

Re: TN: 1976 Mouton, 1988 Cos d’Estournel

I cannot help, the two times I had the Mouton 1976 it was a major disapointment. In about 1995 I already thought it might have been better 5+ years ago, lacking depth and class, with a rather hollow midpalate, and 6 years ago it was seriously in decline. It´s not worth PC status imho, and that 3 yea...
by Robert Sand
October 12th, 2019, 9:00 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2008 Bordeaux: a Gilman "profound" Bordeaux vintage - Your Recommendations?
Replies: 149
Views: 8024

Re: 2008 Bordeaux: a Gilman "profound" Bordeaux vintage - Your Recommendations?

Robert, what 2008s do you consider great and outstanding? Unlike you, I think it is quite consistent, but I can’t think of one wine that I would call “outstanding”. My best wines was Latour, and even then, it was a decent but certainly could not hold a candle to other recent Latours. Generally that...
by Robert Sand
October 12th, 2019, 7:40 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2008 Bordeaux: a Gilman "profound" Bordeaux vintage - Your Recommendations?
Replies: 149
Views: 8024

Re: 2008 Bordeaux: a Gilman "profound" Bordeaux vintage - Your Recommendations?

I wonder how many of you caught this quote from Gilman on the 2010 L'Evangile thread: Still, the great vintage for the end of that decade on the Gironde remains 2008, which towers over both 2009 and 2010 and it [ sic ] really and truly a profound Bordeaux vintage. I've been thinking about this comm...
by Robert Sand
October 11th, 2019, 12:03 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2017 Pegau - Not a TN, a comment about pricing
Replies: 53
Views: 3729

Re: 2017 Pegau - Not a TN, a comment about pricing

I have seen Pegau discounted more often than the other CDP blue chips. But this seems more unusual that it's being offered for $50 from many retailers for an extended time. Maybe they're discounting it due to every 4th bottle being marred by brett, which is why I never buy it at higher prices. Don´...
by Robert Sand
October 9th, 2019, 7:57 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: A Survey of Allemand
Replies: 40
Views: 2283

Re: TN: A Survey of Allemand

Oh Lord, is this permanent 93 rating annoying. I will refuse to even open a thread like this in the future --- Odd reaction... that said, I think something got goofed up in the import from CT- as at least the 16 Chaillot is showing a 95 score there. I know I complained before - but because he´s doi...
by Robert Sand
October 9th, 2019, 3:14 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: A Survey of Allemand
Replies: 40
Views: 2283

Re: TN: A Survey of Allemand

Oh Lord, is this permanent 93 rating annoying.
I will refuse to even open a thread like this in the future ---
by Robert Sand
October 9th, 2019, 12:02 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Help me understand primary, secondary, tertiary characteristics
Replies: 71
Views: 2750

Re: Help me understand primary, secondary, tertiary characteristics

Primary - all the characteristics coming from the vineyard and grape (fruit, floral, herbaceous) Secondary - all the characteristics coming from the wine making process (oak, malo, lees contact, etc) Tertiary - all the characteristics coming from maturation. (graphite, mushroom, forest floor) AFAIC...
by Robert Sand
October 6th, 2019, 3:27 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Is 2000 Bordeaux actually approachable now?
Replies: 45
Views: 1509

Re: Is 2000 Bordeaux actually approachable now?

In the old days, a gentleman [of a certain age] would never open a bottle from a Bordeaux vintage of the caliber of A.D. 2000, simply because he [as a gentleman] understood instinctively that those wines were meant to be consumed by his grandchildren or his greatgrandchildren. But folks nowadays se...
by Robert Sand
October 6th, 2019, 3:20 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Is 2000 Bordeaux actually approachable now?
Replies: 45
Views: 1509

Re: Is 2000 Bordeaux actually approachable now?

I have little experience with very old Bordeaux > 20-30 years old, but the last few 2000 Bordeaux I have opened this year were all excellent, including a 2000 Gruaud Larose, 2000 Grand Puy Lacoste, and a 2000 Clinet. Of course this is a small sample size, but I think these wines are very approachab...
by Robert Sand
October 6th, 2019, 2:12 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2012 GANTENBEIN Chardonnay Switzerland - a worldclass Chardonnay
Replies: 12
Views: 842

Re: 2012 GANTENBEIN Chardonnay Switzerland - a worldclass Chardonnay

Gantenbein is really excellent, both the Pinot noir and the Chardonnay. The latter is even more expensive with 140 €. However they are not easy to find, most is drunk in Switzerland itself, and seriously for that money or less I know quite a lot of other Burgundies I do prefer. But nothing against t...
by Robert Sand
October 2nd, 2019, 11:50 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: US to impose 25% — and now 100% — tariff on European wine, cheese, etc.
Replies: 1118
Views: 58102

Re: US to impose 25% tariff on European wine, cheese, etc.

Simple: thanks to everybody who voted for Trump ....
by Robert Sand
September 25th, 2019, 12:28 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Do I need to be drinking my Bordeauxs younger?
Replies: 54
Views: 2465

Re: Do I need to be drinking my Bordeauxs younger?

I feel like Bordeaux is at its best from 20 to 30 years old, when the tannins have relaxed but the fruit is still vivid. I love Bordeaux but to me it just doesn't have the complexity payoff to make up for the loss of fruit. Even for older wines they are much better when there is a warm layer of fru...
by Robert Sand
September 23rd, 2019, 9:56 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Blind tasting of 6 Northern and 6 Southern red Rhones
Replies: 8
Views: 761

Re: Blind tasting of 6 Northern and 6 Southern red Rhones

Blake Brown wrote:
September 23rd, 2019, 8:07 am

2007 FERAUD-BRUNEL COTES du RHONE VILLAGES RASTEAUX- Grenache blend; this wine comes from a collaborative effort by Laurence Féraud {Les Cailloux} and André Brunel {Pegau} of Châteauneuf-du- Pape;
The other way round please: Laurence Féraud {Pegau} and André Brunel {Les Cailloux}
by Robert Sand
September 23rd, 2019, 9:48 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Tell me about Vougeraie wines
Replies: 13
Views: 1169

Re: Tell me about Vougeraie wines

Quite modern made with new oak - belongs to Jean Claude Boisset (big negociant) and is their top-line, put together about 20 years ago from family owned plots and aquired vineyards from Pierre Ponelle, Voilland and others. I heard the farming is now organic. Quality is usually high, but one has to f...
by Robert Sand
September 23rd, 2019, 1:58 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 1988 Chateau Meyney
Replies: 21
Views: 794

Re: TN: 1988 Chateau Meyney

I still do think that the best Meyney of the 80ies is 1989 or 1982 (hard to say), then 86, 90 and 88.
by Robert Sand
September 23rd, 2019, 12:12 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2009 Château de Beaucastel Châteauneuf-du-Pape
Replies: 7
Views: 587

Re: TN: 2009 Château de Beaucastel Châteauneuf-du-Pape

I had the 09 Beaucastel a while back together with 07, 08 and 10 - it wasn´t a really great wine but showed well if very young.
However imho it´s not the best age to taste 2009 Chateauneuf-du-Papes now, several were unyielding last spring, incl. B., Clos des Papes and Marcoux VV.
by Robert Sand
September 22nd, 2019, 9:40 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 1988 Chateau Meyney
Replies: 21
Views: 794

Re: TN: 1988 Chateau Meyney

It´s been a while I had it but in 2014 I noted
"classic, quite austere, medium depth and length, not match for 89 and 90, but very good. 89 points.

Has there a miracle happened?
by Robert Sand
September 15th, 2019, 12:40 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Postponed releases - RAYAS, OGIER, MUGNIER etc.
Replies: 57
Views: 3915

Re: Postponed releases - RAYAS, OGIER, MUGNIER etc.

With the nuances and huge variances in US liquor sales laws, could there be other outcomes from this? I think I've read (maybe here?) that some states have distribution laws which may not be as restrictive based on the age of the wine...Then again, I could have my head up my ass, wouldn't be the fi...
by Robert Sand
September 13th, 2019, 11:09 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: For BAMA fans...
Replies: 56
Views: 2765

Re: For BAMA fans...

Abbrevations make only sense when (most) people know them -

GDRF
by Robert Sand
September 13th, 2019, 6:15 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Postponed releases - RAYAS, OGIER, MUGNIER etc.
Replies: 57
Views: 3915

Re: Postponed releases - RAYAS, OGIER, MUGNIER etc.

But I have no cellar in my house in the Rhone valley and have to drink what I buy right away. The ability to buy 10 year old wines is great for me. I have no idea how generalizable my situation is. It should not be too difficult to find anybody in the Rhone valley whom you can trust and who stores ...
by Robert Sand
September 12th, 2019, 7:18 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Postponed releases - RAYAS, OGIER, MUGNIER etc.
Replies: 57
Views: 3915

Re: Postponed releases - RAYAS, OGIER, MUGNIER etc.

I guess I am one of the few who find this insulting as a consumer. The idea of telling me that I am not smart enough to know how to consume a bottle of wine that you sold me, that the f***ing wine has to be protected from potential customers is, to me, ridiculous! Maybe the experience i want from t...
by Robert Sand
September 12th, 2019, 12:14 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Postponed releases - RAYAS, OGIER, MUGNIER etc.
Replies: 57
Views: 3915

Re: Postponed releases - RAYAS, OGIER, MUGNIER etc.

I guess I am one of the few who find this insulting as a consumer. The idea of telling me that I am not smart enough to know how to consume a bottle of wine that you sold me, that the f***ing wine has to be protected from potential customers is, to me, ridiculous! Maybe the experience i want from t...
by Robert Sand
September 11th, 2019, 3:28 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Postponed releases - RAYAS, OGIER, MUGNIER etc.
Replies: 57
Views: 3915

Re: Postponed releases - RAYAS, OGIER, MUGNIER etc.

2010 is already released (I think this spring) - don´t know if everywhere. But my warning is: it won´t be fully mature before 2025-2028 ... better drink 2008, 2006, 2004 and older now ... However I don´t understand why the 2011 hasn´t been released before the 2010 (in terms of maturity), but the go...
by Robert Sand
September 10th, 2019, 1:05 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Postponed releases - RAYAS, OGIER, MUGNIER etc.
Replies: 57
Views: 3915

Re: Postponed releases - RAYAS, OGIER, MUGNIER etc.

Not a fan as a consumer. It rewards those with money vs. those with time and energy to cellar and age. By holding back you drive up historical vintage pricing due to scarce supply, then release newer vintages at closer to market price. I don't particularly mind one way or another, but would think i...
by Robert Sand
September 9th, 2019, 5:20 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Postponed releases - RAYAS, OGIER, MUGNIER etc.
Replies: 57
Views: 3915

Re: Postponed releases - RAYAS, OGIER, MUGNIER etc.

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
September 9th, 2019, 4:46 am

Is this working well for Chateau Latour?
as far as I´ve heard they maybe might jump back to Primeurs --- but this is unconfirmed -
I mean who is buying 2013 Les Forts now -

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