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by Robert Sand
November 20th, 2019, 8:32 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Are there objectively good and bad wines?
Replies: 95
Views: 2804

Re: Are there objectively good and bad wines?

That is the point. If objectivity is not 100%, then what is it? Over 70%? And does that change according to the reputation of the experts? It just doesn’t work. I don’t think you can call any wines good or bad simply because there will never be 100% agreement. It is not like 2+2, which is a demonst...
by Robert Sand
November 20th, 2019, 1:21 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 1990 André Brunel Châteauneuf du Pape Les Cailloux
Replies: 12
Views: 589

Re: TN: 1990 André Brunel Châteauneuf du Pape Les Cailloux

Nice to see this note. Drank all mine probably 20 years ago. The same vintage Cuvee Centennaire was flat out fantastic for a long time. Been a while since I had one of those as well but it was best for my tastes at under 20 years old. That is a blast from the past. I remember the 1990 CC at about a...
by Robert Sand
November 20th, 2019, 1:16 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Are there objectively good and bad wines?
Replies: 95
Views: 2804

Re: Are there objectively good and bad wines?

All those who deny that there are "objectively" bad wines (not 100% objectively, but to a high degree) deserve to drink these wine for the rest of their life - just to admit that there are (objecvtively) better wines ... champagne.gif Objectivity 'to a high degree' is no objectivity. If objectivity...
by Robert Sand
November 19th, 2019, 1:56 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 1990 André Brunel Châteauneuf du Pape Les Cailloux
Replies: 12
Views: 589

Re: TN: 1990 André Brunel Châteauneuf du Pape Les Cailloux

This bottle carries the "Reflets" neck label, which IIRC means it was a late release. From a French cellar, it's showing beautifully, offering up complex aromas of earthy blackberries, ripe cherries, smoked meats, lavender and garrigue. On the palate, the wine is full-bodied, rich and enveloping, w...
by Robert Sand
November 19th, 2019, 1:53 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Are there objectively good and bad wines?
Replies: 95
Views: 2804

Re: Are there objectively good and bad wines?

All those who deny that there are "objectively" bad wines (not 100% objectively, but to a high degree) deserve to drink these wine for the rest of their life - just to admit that there are (objecvtively) better wines ...
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by Robert Sand
November 19th, 2019, 5:47 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 1990 André Brunel Châteauneuf du Pape Les Cailloux
Replies: 12
Views: 589

Re: TN: 1990 André Brunel Châteauneuf du Pape Les Cailloux

This bottle carries the "Reflets" neck label, which IIRC means it was a late release. From a French cellar, it's showing beautifully, offering up complex aromas of earthy blackberries, ripe cherries, smoked meats, lavender and garrigue. On the palate, the wine is full-bodied, rich and enveloping, w...
by Robert Sand
November 18th, 2019, 12:32 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN 2005 Hudelot-Noellat VR “Beaumonts”??
Replies: 8
Views: 601

Re: TN 2005 Hudelot-Noellat VR “Beaumonts”??

Cannot comment on the question label/cork, both is possible, but generally 2005 is a vintage not very expressive and giving at the moment,
too young and in need of at least 5-7 more years imo.
by Robert Sand
November 17th, 2019, 6:12 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Are there objectively good and bad wines?
Replies: 95
Views: 2804

Re: Are there objectively good and bad wines?

So to touch on another thread, does faith to the grape play in? Can a Pinot that drinks as the world’s greatest Syrah be a good wine? I imagine that the answers will be “ no” and “perhaps, if it is not manipulated to do so” but I am curious. >Can a Pinot that drinks as the world’s greatest Syrah be...
by Robert Sand
November 17th, 2019, 1:45 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Are there objectively good and bad wines?
Replies: 95
Views: 2804

Re: Are there objectively good and bad wines?

As I wrote in the other thread: it needs an expert to determine if something is good/bad/better/worse - but that´s what experts are for! I once again use the comparison with music: nobody (I hope so) will deny that Mozart wrote "good" music, and many might say he´s been one of the best composers of ...
by Robert Sand
November 16th, 2019, 1:16 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Burgundy 2018, impressions from barrel
Replies: 83
Views: 4907

Re: Burgundy 2018, impressions from barrel

Is Mozart crap because I love Jazz or the other way round? Sorry, but that would be a caricature of a music critic IMO. Jurgen, I think what people are suggesting is that there's really no point in having a jazz critic review Mozart "objectively". There are jazz critics, there are classic music cri...
by Robert Sand
October 15th, 2019, 11:41 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 1976 Mouton, 1988 Cos d’Estournel
Replies: 34
Views: 1615

Re: TN: 1976 Mouton, 1988 Cos d’Estournel

I have never understood why Mouton was elevated to First Growth status and none of the so called Super Seconds, Palmer included. If any, a more flexible classification would certainly be appropriate. In my view, however, the outdated 1855 classification belongs in a museum. [berserker.gif] Well, wh...
by Robert Sand
October 15th, 2019, 1:44 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 1976 Mouton, 1988 Cos d’Estournel
Replies: 34
Views: 1615

Re: TN: 1976 Mouton, 1988 Cos d’Estournel

I cannot help, the two times I had the Mouton 1976 it was a major disapointment. In about 1995 I already thought it might have been better 5+ years ago, lacking depth and class, with a rather hollow midpalate, and 6 years ago it was seriously in decline. It´s not worth PC status imho, and that 3 yea...
by Robert Sand
October 12th, 2019, 9:00 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2008 Bordeaux: a Gilman "profound" Bordeaux vintage - Your Recommendations?
Replies: 148
Views: 7571

Re: 2008 Bordeaux: a Gilman "profound" Bordeaux vintage - Your Recommendations?

Robert, what 2008s do you consider great and outstanding? Unlike you, I think it is quite consistent, but I can’t think of one wine that I would call “outstanding”. My best wines was Latour, and even then, it was a decent but certainly could not hold a candle to other recent Latours. Generally that...
by Robert Sand
October 12th, 2019, 7:40 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2008 Bordeaux: a Gilman "profound" Bordeaux vintage - Your Recommendations?
Replies: 148
Views: 7571

Re: 2008 Bordeaux: a Gilman "profound" Bordeaux vintage - Your Recommendations?

I wonder how many of you caught this quote from Gilman on the 2010 L'Evangile thread: Still, the great vintage for the end of that decade on the Gironde remains 2008, which towers over both 2009 and 2010 and it [ sic ] really and truly a profound Bordeaux vintage. I've been thinking about this comm...
by Robert Sand
October 11th, 2019, 12:03 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2017 Pegau - Not a TN, a comment about pricing
Replies: 53
Views: 3615

Re: 2017 Pegau - Not a TN, a comment about pricing

I have seen Pegau discounted more often than the other CDP blue chips. But this seems more unusual that it's being offered for $50 from many retailers for an extended time. Maybe they're discounting it due to every 4th bottle being marred by brett, which is why I never buy it at higher prices. Don´...
by Robert Sand
October 9th, 2019, 7:57 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: A Survey of Allemand
Replies: 40
Views: 2149

Re: TN: A Survey of Allemand

Oh Lord, is this permanent 93 rating annoying. I will refuse to even open a thread like this in the future --- Odd reaction... that said, I think something got goofed up in the import from CT- as at least the 16 Chaillot is showing a 95 score there. I know I complained before - but because he´s doi...
by Robert Sand
October 9th, 2019, 3:14 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: A Survey of Allemand
Replies: 40
Views: 2149

Re: TN: A Survey of Allemand

Oh Lord, is this permanent 93 rating annoying.
I will refuse to even open a thread like this in the future ---
by Robert Sand
October 9th, 2019, 12:02 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Help me understand primary, secondary, tertiary characteristics
Replies: 71
Views: 2561

Re: Help me understand primary, secondary, tertiary characteristics

Primary - all the characteristics coming from the vineyard and grape (fruit, floral, herbaceous) Secondary - all the characteristics coming from the wine making process (oak, malo, lees contact, etc) Tertiary - all the characteristics coming from maturation. (graphite, mushroom, forest floor) AFAIC...
by Robert Sand
October 6th, 2019, 3:27 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Is 2000 Bordeaux actually approachable now?
Replies: 45
Views: 1426

Re: Is 2000 Bordeaux actually approachable now?

In the old days, a gentleman [of a certain age] would never open a bottle from a Bordeaux vintage of the caliber of A.D. 2000, simply because he [as a gentleman] understood instinctively that those wines were meant to be consumed by his grandchildren or his greatgrandchildren. But folks nowadays se...
by Robert Sand
October 6th, 2019, 3:20 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Is 2000 Bordeaux actually approachable now?
Replies: 45
Views: 1426

Re: Is 2000 Bordeaux actually approachable now?

I have little experience with very old Bordeaux > 20-30 years old, but the last few 2000 Bordeaux I have opened this year were all excellent, including a 2000 Gruaud Larose, 2000 Grand Puy Lacoste, and a 2000 Clinet. Of course this is a small sample size, but I think these wines are very approachab...
by Robert Sand
October 6th, 2019, 2:12 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2012 GANTENBEIN Chardonnay Switzerland - a worldclass Chardonnay
Replies: 12
Views: 786

Re: 2012 GANTENBEIN Chardonnay Switzerland - a worldclass Chardonnay

Gantenbein is really excellent, both the Pinot noir and the Chardonnay. The latter is even more expensive with 140 €. However they are not easy to find, most is drunk in Switzerland itself, and seriously for that money or less I know quite a lot of other Burgundies I do prefer. But nothing against t...
by Robert Sand
October 2nd, 2019, 11:50 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: US to impose 25% tariff on European wine, cheese, etc.
Replies: 522
Views: 28414

Re: US to impose 25% tariff on European wine, cheese, etc.

Simple: thanks to everybody who voted for Trump ....
by Robert Sand
September 25th, 2019, 12:28 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Do I need to be drinking my Bordeauxs younger?
Replies: 54
Views: 2335

Re: Do I need to be drinking my Bordeauxs younger?

I feel like Bordeaux is at its best from 20 to 30 years old, when the tannins have relaxed but the fruit is still vivid. I love Bordeaux but to me it just doesn't have the complexity payoff to make up for the loss of fruit. Even for older wines they are much better when there is a warm layer of fru...
by Robert Sand
September 23rd, 2019, 9:56 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Blind tasting of 6 Northern and 6 Southern red Rhones
Replies: 8
Views: 726

Re: Blind tasting of 6 Northern and 6 Southern red Rhones

Blake Brown wrote:
September 23rd, 2019, 8:07 am

2007 FERAUD-BRUNEL COTES du RHONE VILLAGES RASTEAUX- Grenache blend; this wine comes from a collaborative effort by Laurence Féraud {Les Cailloux} and André Brunel {Pegau} of Châteauneuf-du- Pape;
The other way round please: Laurence Féraud {Pegau} and André Brunel {Les Cailloux}
by Robert Sand
September 23rd, 2019, 9:48 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Tell me about Vougeraie wines
Replies: 13
Views: 1112

Re: Tell me about Vougeraie wines

Quite modern made with new oak - belongs to Jean Claude Boisset (big negociant) and is their top-line, put together about 20 years ago from family owned plots and aquired vineyards from Pierre Ponelle, Voilland and others. I heard the farming is now organic. Quality is usually high, but one has to f...
by Robert Sand
September 23rd, 2019, 1:58 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 1988 Chateau Meyney
Replies: 21
Views: 751

Re: TN: 1988 Chateau Meyney

I still do think that the best Meyney of the 80ies is 1989 or 1982 (hard to say), then 86, 90 and 88.
by Robert Sand
September 23rd, 2019, 12:12 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2009 Château de Beaucastel Châteauneuf-du-Pape
Replies: 7
Views: 552

Re: TN: 2009 Château de Beaucastel Châteauneuf-du-Pape

I had the 09 Beaucastel a while back together with 07, 08 and 10 - it wasn´t a really great wine but showed well if very young.
However imho it´s not the best age to taste 2009 Chateauneuf-du-Papes now, several were unyielding last spring, incl. B., Clos des Papes and Marcoux VV.
by Robert Sand
September 22nd, 2019, 9:40 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 1988 Chateau Meyney
Replies: 21
Views: 751

Re: TN: 1988 Chateau Meyney

It´s been a while I had it but in 2014 I noted
"classic, quite austere, medium depth and length, not match for 89 and 90, but very good. 89 points.

Has there a miracle happened?
by Robert Sand
September 15th, 2019, 12:40 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Postponed releases - RAYAS, OGIER, MUGNIER etc.
Replies: 57
Views: 3776

Re: Postponed releases - RAYAS, OGIER, MUGNIER etc.

With the nuances and huge variances in US liquor sales laws, could there be other outcomes from this? I think I've read (maybe here?) that some states have distribution laws which may not be as restrictive based on the age of the wine...Then again, I could have my head up my ass, wouldn't be the fi...
by Robert Sand
September 13th, 2019, 11:09 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: For BAMA fans...
Replies: 50
Views: 2116

Re: For BAMA fans...

Abbrevations make only sense when (most) people know them -

GDRF
by Robert Sand
September 13th, 2019, 6:15 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Postponed releases - RAYAS, OGIER, MUGNIER etc.
Replies: 57
Views: 3776

Re: Postponed releases - RAYAS, OGIER, MUGNIER etc.

But I have no cellar in my house in the Rhone valley and have to drink what I buy right away. The ability to buy 10 year old wines is great for me. I have no idea how generalizable my situation is. It should not be too difficult to find anybody in the Rhone valley whom you can trust and who stores ...
by Robert Sand
September 12th, 2019, 7:18 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Postponed releases - RAYAS, OGIER, MUGNIER etc.
Replies: 57
Views: 3776

Re: Postponed releases - RAYAS, OGIER, MUGNIER etc.

I guess I am one of the few who find this insulting as a consumer. The idea of telling me that I am not smart enough to know how to consume a bottle of wine that you sold me, that the f***ing wine has to be protected from potential customers is, to me, ridiculous! Maybe the experience i want from t...
by Robert Sand
September 12th, 2019, 12:14 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Postponed releases - RAYAS, OGIER, MUGNIER etc.
Replies: 57
Views: 3776

Re: Postponed releases - RAYAS, OGIER, MUGNIER etc.

I guess I am one of the few who find this insulting as a consumer. The idea of telling me that I am not smart enough to know how to consume a bottle of wine that you sold me, that the f***ing wine has to be protected from potential customers is, to me, ridiculous! Maybe the experience i want from t...
by Robert Sand
September 11th, 2019, 3:28 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Postponed releases - RAYAS, OGIER, MUGNIER etc.
Replies: 57
Views: 3776

Re: Postponed releases - RAYAS, OGIER, MUGNIER etc.

2010 is already released (I think this spring) - don´t know if everywhere. But my warning is: it won´t be fully mature before 2025-2028 ... better drink 2008, 2006, 2004 and older now ... However I don´t understand why the 2011 hasn´t been released before the 2010 (in terms of maturity), but the go...
by Robert Sand
September 10th, 2019, 1:05 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Postponed releases - RAYAS, OGIER, MUGNIER etc.
Replies: 57
Views: 3776

Re: Postponed releases - RAYAS, OGIER, MUGNIER etc.

Not a fan as a consumer. It rewards those with money vs. those with time and energy to cellar and age. By holding back you drive up historical vintage pricing due to scarce supply, then release newer vintages at closer to market price. I don't particularly mind one way or another, but would think i...
by Robert Sand
September 9th, 2019, 5:20 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Postponed releases - RAYAS, OGIER, MUGNIER etc.
Replies: 57
Views: 3776

Re: Postponed releases - RAYAS, OGIER, MUGNIER etc.

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
September 9th, 2019, 4:46 am

Is this working well for Chateau Latour?
as far as I´ve heard they maybe might jump back to Primeurs --- but this is unconfirmed -
I mean who is buying 2013 Les Forts now -
by Robert Sand
August 28th, 2019, 10:01 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Phases of Aging Riesling
Replies: 57
Views: 2325

Re: Phases of Aging Riesling

Generally not wrong, but it depends vm on sweetness/dryness, vintage, producer - and also region. Saar is different, and also Pfalz, Rheingau etc. not to speak of Baden, Alsace, Austria
by Robert Sand
August 28th, 2019, 4:50 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Châteauneuf-du-Pape producers
Replies: 46
Views: 2049

Re: Châteauneuf-du-Pape producers

Dinesh Goyal wrote:
August 28th, 2019, 2:36 am
BTW Le Clos De Caillou hasn’t been mentioned. I don’t know them but they seem to have good reviews on CT. What’s their style like?
Clos des Caillou is a vg producer, but quite modern style.
La Reserve is usually outstanding
by Robert Sand
August 28th, 2019, 12:39 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Châteauneuf-du-Pape producers
Replies: 46
Views: 2049

Re: Châteauneuf-du-Pape producers

+1 for Bois deBoursan. very traditional producer, 1/3 price of Beaucastel. Clos des Brusquieres is also good.
by Robert Sand
August 22nd, 2019, 9:44 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2006 Keller Von der Fels
Replies: 21
Views: 1063

Re: 2006 Keller Von der Fels

Robert Dentice wrote:
August 22nd, 2019, 8:46 am

The screw cap showed very little evolution where as the cork was just hitting that point when an older perfectly stored dry Riesling starts to show many different characteristics.
I´m not storing wine just to find it almost unchanged after many years!
by Robert Sand
August 22nd, 2019, 7:35 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: OK to store long-term in OWC?
Replies: 37
Views: 2282

Re: OK to store long-term in OWC?

Absolutely ok for the wine. I have most of my Bordeaux in OWC.
Only if the cellar is quite humid the labels can suffer a bit when down on the floor, less when further up.
by Robert Sand
August 22nd, 2019, 7:24 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: looking for cheap wine decanters
Replies: 20
Views: 911

Re: looking for cheap wine decanters

I have a lot of decanters not dissimilar to those at IKEA, and also wider ones, and expensive ones, too -
I don´t see any major difference in aeration because the main oxigen gets into the wine when decanting.
The typical Barolo caraffes are simply for nothing, only bad to pour.
by Robert Sand
August 21st, 2019, 8:13 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2006 Keller Von der Fels
Replies: 21
Views: 1063

Re: 2006 Keller Von der Fels

I had both G-Max and Morstein (not Abts-€) 2006 in about 2012 - and I prefered G-Max slightly, imo, however both really great wines.
Kirchspiel is delicious, but not on that high level.
by Robert Sand
August 19th, 2019, 5:28 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 1998 Château Lafleur-Gazin (France, Bordeaux, Libournais, Pomerol)
Replies: 4
Views: 393

Re: TN: 1998 Château Lafleur-Gazin (France, Bordeaux, Libournais, Pomerol)

Most if not all 1998 right bankers are very good now if from good producers. Definitely the best vintage between 1990 and 2009/10 in St.Em. and Pomerol, even better than 2005 imho.
by Robert Sand
August 19th, 2019, 5:17 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 1966 Château Haut-Brion (France, Bordeaux, Graves, Pessac-Léognan)
Replies: 4
Views: 519

Re: TN: 1966 Château Haut-Brion (France, Bordeaux, Graves, Pessac-Léognan)

I liked the 1966 and 1964 HB very much. The 66 was darker and showed a bit more green in the nose than 64 but the latter was sweeter and more seductive. So your description seems to be fitting.
btw also the 1967 is not a bad wine despite the weak vintage.
by Robert Sand
August 19th, 2019, 1:46 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN- 87 Magdelaine, 85 Lynch Bages, 03 Clos des Goisses, 08 Winston Churchill, 10 Silex, 01 Weil Auslese
Replies: 7
Views: 579

Re: TN- 87 Magdelaine, 85 Lynch Bages, 03 Clos des Goisses, 08 Winston Churchill, 10 Silex, 01 Weil Auslese

I had several 1987 Bordeaux over the last 10 years - but not Magdelaine, and not a single one was really outstanding, incl. 1st growth, all were fully mature, and I would doubt that any wine will stay on the plateau for another 16 years. Also all were more or less lacking in length. But maybe Magdel...
by Robert Sand
August 19th, 2019, 1:29 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: German Spätburgunder vs Burgundy Pinot Noir
Replies: 39
Views: 2224

Re: German Spätburgunder vs Burgundy Pinot Noir

Thank you for your detailed list of recommendations, Juergen! BTW: Switzerland produces fine Pinot Noir as well, a few examples: Gantenbein (pricey but top) Tscharner Donatsch Fromm Obrecht As you can imagine, I know Swiss Pinot Noirs quite well. The ones you mentioned (with the exception of Fromm)...
by Robert Sand
August 18th, 2019, 3:31 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: German Spätburgunder vs Burgundy Pinot Noir
Replies: 39
Views: 2224

Re: German Spätburgunder vs Burgundy Pinot Noir

dcornutt wrote:
August 18th, 2019, 1:47 am
Umathum from Austria is fun but that is not pinot right? St Laurent which I would guess is a cousin?
UMATHUM makes both - and the full range of varieties in addition. Excellent producer, not too expensive.
by Robert Sand
August 17th, 2019, 11:48 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: German Spätburgunder vs Burgundy Pinot Noir
Replies: 39
Views: 2224

Re: German Spätburgunder vs Burgundy Pinot Noir

Claus Jeppesen wrote:
August 17th, 2019, 8:44 am
I think that Keller Frauenberg is far the best in most vintages
at least not to my taste. I had the Frauenberg 2-3 times, and recently the Bürgel ... certainly good to very good, but I prefer other ones.
Also you have to pay for the Keller name, one of the greatest producers of dry Riesling.
by Robert Sand
August 17th, 2019, 7:47 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: German Spätburgunder vs Burgundy Pinot Noir
Replies: 39
Views: 2224

Re: German Spätburgunder vs Burgundy Pinot Noir

I don´t know which wines are exported to US, so no sense to go into details (Jürgen could elaborate further), but I often enjoyed among many others Stodden Herrenberg Bernhard Huber Spätburgunder (not the Reserve) Becker Muschelkalk/Rosenberg Meyer-Näkel (several) Dr.Heger Schlossberg and not to for...

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