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by Jonathan Loesberg
October 26th, 2020, 12:17 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: B21 Wine in FL - Major Disappointment, Ending my 25+ Year Relationship with Them
Replies: 78
Views: 6672

Re: B21 Wine in FL - Major Disappointment, Ending my 25+ Year Relationship with Them

I could not resist. I ordered. Sorry R-Alf. Traitor! I will never be your lead out man for the final sprint. Damn, $40!?! I was ecstatic when they listed the 2017 for $50 per bottle, bought it in bottles and magnums. Incidentally, what is the word on the 2018 vintage in southern Rhône. There was a ...
by Jonathan Loesberg
October 23rd, 2020, 8:35 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2017 Coudert Fleurie Clos de la Roilette Griffe du Marquis
Replies: 8
Views: 299

Re: TN: 2017 Coudert Fleurie Clos de la Roilette Griffe du Marquis

I had this at a wine dinner with friends in NYC a year ago. Jayson Cohen brought it. I was so impressed that I went out and bought a case. I've had it a couple of times since and I remain very happy to have it. I'm interested in your aeration I procedure. I've usually just poured out a half a glass...
by Jonathan Loesberg
October 23rd, 2020, 8:09 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2017 Coudert Fleurie Clos de la Roilette Griffe du Marquis
Replies: 8
Views: 299

Re: TN: 2017 Coudert Fleurie Clos de la Roilette Griffe du Marquis

I had this at a wine dinner with friends in NYC a year ago. Jayson Cohen brought it. I was so impressed that I went out and bought a case. I've had it a couple of times since and I remain very happy to have it. I'm interested in your aeration I procedure. I've usually just poured out a half a glass ...
by Jonathan Loesberg
October 23rd, 2020, 6:40 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Châteauneuf-du-Pape wine which are NOT Grenache focused
Replies: 30
Views: 1591

Re: Châteauneuf-du-Pape wine which are NOT Grenache focused

Note that many CdP varieties are available in red or white versions. Picpoul and Grenache are certainly examples of this. The Beaucastel red will only include red varieties, whereas their blanc will include white varieties. Cheers! At least as recently as the first decade of the aughts, at Beaucast...
by Jonathan Loesberg
October 22nd, 2020, 10:10 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Châteauneuf-du-Pape wine which are NOT Grenache focused
Replies: 30
Views: 1591

Re: Châteauneuf-du-Pape wine which are NOT Grenache focused

Paul Jaouen wrote:
October 22nd, 2020, 7:55 am
Robert Sand wrote:
October 21st, 2020, 11:40 pm
Paul Jaouen wrote:
October 21st, 2020, 2:52 pm
Rayas Fonsalette 100% Syrah
Fonsalette is NO CdP.
True but better than most CdPs.
Perhaps, but Fonsalette Syrah is more like a Northern Rhone. It really isn't comparable to a CdP.
by Jonathan Loesberg
October 22nd, 2020, 8:38 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What is the oldest white chateauneuf you have had, and how did it show?
Replies: 18
Views: 908

Re: What is the oldest white chateauneuf you have had, and how did it show?

I think I've posted on this before but, thanks to my friend, Cole Kendall, around 2010-2012, I had the same bottle of 1929 red CdP from some unknown bottler. It was fabulous and tasted younger than many famous bottles of CdP from the 90s that we had at the same time on one of those occasions. I woul...
by Jonathan Loesberg
October 14th, 2020, 7:49 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: It's critic bingo! (Dept. of Neologisms)
Replies: 1242
Views: 58783

Re: It's critic bingo! (Dept. of Neologisms)

A brief digression to cover cliche-ridden writing by management consultants. This e-mail just landed in my inbox from McKinsey. McKinsey emerging resilients - highlighted.JPG [barf1.gif] From the body of the note: By sector, we discovered that the emerging resilients are more likely to demonstrate ...
by Jonathan Loesberg
October 1st, 2020, 11:06 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Monthly check-in: Cellar inventory reduction plan
Replies: 926
Views: 48430

Re: Monthly check-in: Cellar inventory reduction plan

If it has to be in cellar tracker for it to count, then I have zero wines in my cellar and have no need to reduce its size. Who are you gonna believe, cellartracker or your lying eyes?
by Jonathan Loesberg
September 29th, 2020, 1:27 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: It's critic bingo! (Dept. of Neologisms)
Replies: 1242
Views: 58783

Re: It's critic bingo! (Dept. of Neologisms)

John, assuming the critics you quote actually read this and are ashamed enough into amending their ways, you will be doing a public service. Assuming, as I expect is the case, that they either do not read this or, if they do, react with standard defensiveness and go on their merry way, you might con...
by Jonathan Loesberg
September 26th, 2020, 6:54 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2014 Pégau - Châteauneuf-du-Pape Cuvée Réservée (France, Rhône, Southern Rhône, Châteauneuf-du-Pape)
Replies: 25
Views: 1958

Re: TN: 2014 Pégau - Châteauneuf-du-Pape Cuvée Réservée (France, Rhône, Southern Rhône, Châteauneuf-du-Pape)

to Brian Grafstrom, et al Brian, I agree with you about 2004 being a bigger and better vintage than the others I listed. But I don't think the difference is massive. I questioned including it in that particular vintage list and came down 'yea', but it was a judgment call. to Jonathan Loesberg, I'm ...
by Jonathan Loesberg
September 25th, 2020, 7:18 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2014 Pégau - Châteauneuf-du-Pape Cuvée Réservée (France, Rhône, Southern Rhône, Châteauneuf-du-Pape)
Replies: 25
Views: 1958

Re: TN: 2014 Pégau - Châteauneuf-du-Pape Cuvée Réservée (France, Rhône, Southern Rhône, Châteauneuf-du-Pape)

Just to reaffirm my point that not all wines of a vintage are the same, I opened an 06 Eddie Feraud last night and it was open for business and doing just fine.
by Jonathan Loesberg
September 24th, 2020, 12:31 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2014 Pégau - Châteauneuf-du-Pape Cuvée Réservée (France, Rhône, Southern Rhône, Châteauneuf-du-Pape)
Replies: 25
Views: 1958

Re: TN: 2014 Pégau - Châteauneuf-du-Pape Cuvée Réservée (France, Rhône, Southern Rhône, Châteauneuf-du-Pape)

I would be more surprised if all wines reacted exactly the same than if they did not. I was surprised that all the wines I tried seened to have closed down slightly. I usually find more variance. Glad to see there is some.
by Jonathan Loesberg
September 24th, 2020, 7:14 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2014 Pégau - Châteauneuf-du-Pape Cuvée Réservée (France, Rhône, Southern Rhône, Châteauneuf-du-Pape)
Replies: 25
Views: 1958

Re: TN: 2014 Pégau - Châteauneuf-du-Pape Cuvée Réservée (France, Rhône, Southern Rhône, Châteauneuf-du-Pape)

commercial post: I import Pegau to most of the U.S. 2014 is developing well. It is in a long line of excellent, mid-weight vintages that never get great press but offer incredibly warm, friendly drinking at 6 - 15 years of age; well-cellared, vintages like this should live happily to 25+ years. In ...
by Jonathan Loesberg
September 22nd, 2020, 10:53 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Retailers' e-mails that caused me to guffaw
Replies: 91
Views: 4351

Re: Retailers' e-mails that caused me to guffaw

"Poughkeepsie is the Paris of upstate New York," was a metaphor used by John Searle, a philosophy professor of mine in my undergrad days. But I digress.... Now there's an academic name drop. I'm guessing he did not make you read Derrida. No, but Searle did throw Derrida's name around. Habermas's, t...
by Jonathan Loesberg
September 22nd, 2020, 7:14 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Retailers' e-mails that caused me to guffaw
Replies: 91
Views: 4351

Re: Retailers' e-mails that caused me to guffaw

It just means you bought the last of them! Parker licensed every writer and retail to declaim the wine they are hawking "the [this] of [that]." "The Mouton of the Monongahela Valley." "The Flaccianello of Flatbush." "The Salon of Saigon." The Mad Dog of Montalcino "Poughkeepsie is the Paris of upst...
by Jonathan Loesberg
September 17th, 2020, 11:34 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2016 Chateau Musar Rosé
Replies: 11
Views: 653

Re: TN: 2016 Chateau Musar Rosé

It's always dangerous to compare the relative prices of imported wines here and in Europe because different importers quite clearly have different mark-ups. But if LdH Rosado costs even nearly what Otto says, the situation here is FUBAR. The LdH Rosado, on Winesearcher starts at $100 a bottle. The M...
by Jonathan Loesberg
September 11th, 2020, 10:00 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2012 Château Rayas Côtes du Rhône La Pialade
Replies: 20
Views: 772

Re: TN: 2012 Château Rayas Côtes du Rhône La Pialade

The slow ox instructions I get from des Tours, which entail pouring about half a glass out of the bottle and into a glass, does allow you to taste on opening and over the period you are slow oxing. I have done side by side comparisons for myself before I came to the conclusions I wrote above.
by Jonathan Loesberg
September 11th, 2020, 9:04 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2012 Château Rayas Côtes du Rhône La Pialade
Replies: 20
Views: 772

Re: TN: 2012 Château Rayas Côtes du Rhône La Pialade

I drink these quite frequently when I am in France as I stay near the domaine and buy from them and the wine is also on the lists of local restaurants at reasonable prices. Other than the occasional corked bottle (no more frequent than I generally find TCA, which has been lless frequently the last t...
by Jonathan Loesberg
September 11th, 2020, 8:11 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2012 Château Rayas Côtes du Rhône La Pialade
Replies: 20
Views: 772

Re: TN: 2012 Château Rayas Côtes du Rhône La Pialade

In the case of the des Tours line-up (I have never had Pialade and too few Rayases to make a judgment), I am not a great beleiver in the 24 hour slow ox method. It's clear effect is to turn the bright fruit on opening to a mellower and more complex palate and nose and I see its point. Having experim...
by Jonathan Loesberg
September 7th, 2020, 7:46 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2005 Clos des Papes
Replies: 30
Views: 1833

Re: 2005 Clos des Papes

Well, since I don't buy Beaucastel, I don't buy it in France, In the 90s, when I might have, they didn't encourage it and the price was not much different. Since they no longer give tours at the domaine and have a shopfront in town to sell from, things might have changed. Really, each domaine is dif...
by Jonathan Loesberg
September 7th, 2020, 5:36 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2005 Domaine Charvin Châteauneuf-du-Pape
Replies: 11
Views: 782

Re: TN: 2005 Domaine Charvin Châteauneuf-du-Pape

And what of the '06? I have two bottles that keep staring at me begging me to drink them but I'm trying to be patient. 04 through 08 (leaving out the 07) are my go to Charvin these days and they are all different. 04 is the most minerally and structured and has been from the beginning. I find the 0...
by Jonathan Loesberg
September 4th, 2020, 12:53 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2005 Clos des Papes
Replies: 30
Views: 1833

Re: 2005 Clos des Papes

It occurs to me to add that, while the 90, 89 or 81, if you could find them at auction, might cost enough to force you to sell your first born into slavery, the 94 is a very good example of what old Beau was like and will be much more affordable. 94 is surely one of the most underrated vintages in C...
by Jonathan Loesberg
September 4th, 2020, 11:21 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2005 Clos des Papes
Replies: 30
Views: 1833

Re: 2005 Clos des Papes

I don't think anything will turn into the 90. Along with 89 and 81, it is an apex Beau. If any vintage would, it would be the 01 and I just don't see it. I have liked 04 generally and Beau needs 10 years for its first plateau and 20 years for its second, so there is good reason to think it is now a ...
by Jonathan Loesberg
September 4th, 2020, 10:55 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2005 Clos des Papes
Replies: 30
Views: 1833

Re: 2005 Clos des Papes

Jonathan, sounds like you don't think the '01 has any chance of "getting there" with additional age --- is that true? Normally, a 19 or 20 year old Beaucastel has entered its height. This wine's tannins were resolved and its flavors were mature. And, again, it was a good wine and I have no trouble ...
by Jonathan Loesberg
September 3rd, 2020, 9:12 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2003 Pegau Réservée
Replies: 10
Views: 811

Re: TN: 2003 Pegau Réservée

The 03 has gone in and out for me. It seemed great on release. After a few years, it seemed to lose depth and became just its sweetness, as if that were etched on glass, and I would have agreed with Warren. Then sometime after it was 10 years old, it seemed to come back. It's still an 03 and will ne...
by Jonathan Loesberg
September 3rd, 2020, 6:49 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2005 Clos des Papes
Replies: 30
Views: 1833

Re: 2005 Clos des Papes

Inspired by this thread, I opened one of my 01 Beaucastels last night. I stopped buying after that but I still hoped that the Beaucastel 20 year magic might set in. This was a perfectly nice wine from a strong vintage. But, for me, it was without distinction. I would easily prefer Pegau, Charvin, Vi...
by Jonathan Loesberg
September 2nd, 2020, 8:10 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Stalin’s wine cellar
Replies: 17
Views: 2746

Re: Stalin’s wine cellar

needless to say this is not any praise of Stalin, but Russian culture was not "ruined" in the sense that many artistic geniuses continued to produce throughout the 20th century, often under severely adverse conditions -- Akhmatova, Bulgakov, Shostakovich, Vassily Grossman, etc. Then in the Krushche...
by Jonathan Loesberg
September 2nd, 2020, 7:13 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Stalin’s wine cellar
Replies: 17
Views: 2746

Re: Stalin’s wine cellar

Stalin certainly had preferences. Judging from his preferences in art and literature, though, I'd hesitate to call it good taste, at least. Who knows why he collected this or that piano. And the wine, as was mentioned, was from earlier rulers. So it is a bit hard to claim that this butcher had tast...
by Jonathan Loesberg
September 2nd, 2020, 7:09 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2005 Clos des Papes
Replies: 30
Views: 1833

Re: 2005 Clos des Papes

The change in Clos des Papes occurred with the handover of the winemaking from Paul to Vincent Avril (or at least roughly then), always a dangerous moment for a domaine. I haven't really had any since a bottle of the 06 (which I received as a gift) so I don't know what it's like these days, but I ha...
by Jonathan Loesberg
September 1st, 2020, 1:24 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2005 Clos des Papes
Replies: 30
Views: 1833

Re: 2005 Clos des Papes

For me this wine was the one that confirmed for me that Clos des Papes had gone over to the dark side, after I gave the 03 a pass because of the vintage and, although suspicious, decided to consider the 04 an anomaly. Also proof that you don't need Cambie consulting to make rocket fuel. Of course, I...
by Jonathan Loesberg
August 31st, 2020, 12:54 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Stalin’s wine cellar
Replies: 17
Views: 2746

Re: Stalin’s wine cellar

Stalin certainly had preferences. Judging from his preferences in art and literature, though, I'd hesitate to call it good taste, at least.
by Jonathan Loesberg
August 31st, 2020, 6:52 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Stalin’s wine cellar
Replies: 17
Views: 2746

Re: Stalin’s wine cellar

Those bottles are marked by blood. Well, according to the story, it was Czar Nicholas II's wine cellar. Stalin was just the last ruler to have possession of it before he hid it from the Nazis. I guess it would have officially been next Kerensky's and then Lenin's. Still, since Czar Nicholas was no ...
by Jonathan Loesberg
August 20th, 2020, 12:51 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2019 Beaujolais
Replies: 51
Views: 3857

Re: 2019 Beaujolais

I'm too much of a piker to chase after things like Foillard and Metras. I would double Robert's recommendations on Roilette and Bouland. I very much like their regular cuvee and also think the Cuvee Tardive is a bargain. I have been loathe to plump for the Marquis de Griffe, but 2017 was irresistibl...
by Jonathan Loesberg
August 17th, 2020, 1:55 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: central coast GSM style vs. actual Rhone
Replies: 31
Views: 1609

Re: central coast GSM style vs. actual Rhone

As a general rule, I don't find California Rhone varietal wines, whether using CdP like blends or not, to be at all similar to CdP. As others have said, Chapoutier is a very ripe, sweet style of the wine and so, perhaps, more like the general ripeness one finds in California than other CdPs might be...
by Jonathan Loesberg
August 17th, 2020, 10:58 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: A drinkers best friend- a healthy choice for many of us
Replies: 27
Views: 1907

Re: A drinkers best friend- a healthy choice for many of us

How is this better than hydrating the normal way, drinking a fair amount of water if you are imbibing? I don't know if this product is healthy, but I'm pretty confident that water is.
by Jonathan Loesberg
August 7th, 2020, 6:16 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Favorite Wine Movie
Replies: 74
Views: 2948

Re: Favorite Wine Movie

First of all, Bottle Shock is actually very good -- super campy, overdone, and hilarious. If you can't see the charm of this movie you perhaps take yourself or wine too seriously. Alan Rickman gives a performance for the ages and is the comic center of the movie. Second, I was inspired to watch "Ce...
by Jonathan Loesberg
August 6th, 2020, 12:28 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Favorite Wine Movie
Replies: 74
Views: 2948

Re: Favorite Wine Movie

First of all, Bottle Shock is actually very good -- super campy, overdone, and hilarious. If you can't see the charm of this movie you perhaps take yourself or wine too seriously. Alan Rickman gives a performance for the ages and is the comic center of the movie. Second, I was inspired to watch "Ce...
by Jonathan Loesberg
August 6th, 2020, 11:02 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Favorite Wine Movie
Replies: 74
Views: 2948

Re: Favorite Wine Movie

First of all, Bottle Shock is actually very good -- super campy, overdone, and hilarious. If you can't see the charm of this movie you perhaps take yourself or wine too seriously. Alan Rickman gives a performance for the ages and is the comic center of the movie. Second, I was inspired to watch "Ce...
by Jonathan Loesberg
August 6th, 2020, 7:07 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Favorite Wine Movie
Replies: 74
Views: 2948

Re: Favorite Wine Movie

I can't believe people actually like Bottle Shock . Yes, painful to watch. Inaccurate, badly done, and one would fell sorry for Rickman, but he could have backed out after reading the script. Oh. You guys expect movies to be historically correct. You must truly hate movies like Braveheart, Kingdom ...
by Jonathan Loesberg
August 5th, 2020, 1:52 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Favorite Wine Movie
Replies: 74
Views: 2948

Re: Favorite Wine Movie

Watched the "Secret of Santa Vittoria" just this year. If you really want to see what wine can mean to a community and identity. Quinn gives his usual over the top performance and it even rolls in those ever present bad guys, the Nazis. Really love the ending line...trigger alert, this is in Black ...
by Jonathan Loesberg
August 5th, 2020, 7:30 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Favorite Wine Movie
Replies: 74
Views: 2948

Re: Favorite Wine Movie

This topic comes up regularly and I always name the same movie, which it surprises me is not better known: Eric Rohmer's Autumn Tale. This movie has as significant details, whether a woman winemaker should call herself a viticulteuse or a vigneronne and how to answer how many hecotliters an hectare ...
by Jonathan Loesberg
August 3rd, 2020, 11:59 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Monthly check-in: Cellar inventory reduction plan
Replies: 926
Views: 48430

Re: Monthly check-in: Cellar inventory reduction plan

Jim, Take some comfort in the fact that most of us would not consider 217 bottles "out of control" Some would not consider 217 bottles out of control for a weekend shopping spree If I read Jim's post correctly, I think 217 bottles is his total cellar holdings, no? As compared to 170ish a year ago. ...
by Jonathan Loesberg
July 30th, 2020, 1:18 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: WILLIAM KELLEY!
Replies: 231
Views: 10347

Re: WILLIAM KELLEY!

Dang. You old white guys always come back to the Latino dig! Zorro, sigh..... No wonder you are a snobby Burg drinker. ;) Zorro was just another European colonialist, who happened to have been born in California but was educated as a gentleman in Spain. Notice how in Disney he is always disdainfull...
by Jonathan Loesberg
July 29th, 2020, 1:22 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Most reds don’t benefit from room temp????
Replies: 53
Views: 1938

Re: Most reds don’t benefit from room temp????

Room temperature is one of those terms that dates to 19th century England, when rooms were a good bit cooler. If your cellar is 60 degrees rather than 55, cellar temperature is pretty close to what room temperature used to mean.That said, I much prefer my reds to be closer to around 68, or modern ro...
by Jonathan Loesberg
July 23rd, 2020, 11:48 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: So how long do you let shipped wine "settle"?
Replies: 103
Views: 3184

Re: So how long do you let shipped wine "settle"?

To Michael, it is controversial to dismiss the testimony of large numbers of people as bias, because you don't agree with it unless you have much stronger warrant than anyone has shown on this thread. To Sean, the article did not state that the wines that had changed due to air shipping had experien...
by Jonathan Loesberg
July 23rd, 2020, 11:07 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: So how long do you let shipped wine "settle"?
Replies: 103
Views: 3184

Re: So how long do you let shipped wine "settle"?

With regard to bias, it is indeed a well-known phenomenon. One would think the best application of the knowledge that it occurs would be to hold one's own beliefs with somewhat more circumspection. Amazingly, I never find it to be applied that way. Although the Decanter article you site says that th...
by Jonathan Loesberg
July 23rd, 2020, 8:54 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: So how long do you let shipped wine "settle"?
Replies: 103
Views: 3184

Re: So how long do you let shipped wine "settle"?

... I’ve never seen any persuasive evidence for travel shock from anywhere, and it would be very easy to test — taste bottles that just arrived blind against bottles that arrived a few months ago. Does anyone want to bet me any money whether they could discern? I’m not really a gambling guy, but I’...
by Jonathan Loesberg
July 22nd, 2020, 1:39 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The world's finest Grenache is from ...
Replies: 163
Views: 6285

Re: The world's finest Grenache is from ...

I do have one other grenache that I'd put up at the top but at this point I don't know if there are any bottles left in the world. Mas des Chimères Grenache Vin de Pays 2000 Cuvee Buster - a special all grenache bottling done for Louis Dressner and adorned with the picture of a great dog. I remembe...
by Jonathan Loesberg
July 22nd, 2020, 8:01 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: WILLIAM KELLEY!
Replies: 231
Views: 10347

Re: WILLIAM KELLEY!

In terms of futures buying and reliance on critics, it's a game of chance, to some degree. I'd stick to producers you know well, and make sure that they did not change winemakers or bring in a new consultant, as that changes the wine. Or, stick to a critic whose palate you know very well aligns wit...
by Jonathan Loesberg
July 20th, 2020, 12:55 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The world's finest Grenache is from ...
Replies: 163
Views: 6285

Re: The world's finest Grenache is from ...

I would describe the commonality between des Tours and Rayas differently. None of the wines taste like Rayas (as I have said above, though, I only have a little experience with Rayas) any more than Fonsalette or Fonsalette Syrah tastes like Rayas. The wines come from different terroirs and have diff...

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