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You guys are rubbing in your geekiness! Ugh, I have none of this elixir!

I’m still buying Rhones, Chinons, Beaujolais, but not wines that are best after 20+ years. So you are buying things that only need 15 to 20 years of aging? Nothing like switching to Northern Rhone, Roilette Cuvée Tardive, and Baudry for wines that don't need aging [rofl.gif] Laugh all you want, but...

Based on how 2000 is drinking, I’d have no concern about 20 years. I do love them young as well, however.

6 x 2017 Chateau de Beaucastel

Remains one of the great wine buys in the world, snagged at $70.

PS. The 2017 Pegau is still generally available for $50.

I’ll be celebrating an advanced milestone age this month, and it occurs to me that there’s a good possibility that I won’t be around to enjoy all of the ‘19 Bordeaux I’ve purchased. This got me to wondering how other people’s buying and/or consumption habits have changed as they’ve aged. Do you kee...

2007 CdP for me is the one that immediately comes to mind. Tasted many at the wineries and was viscerally impressed, but in the bottle just so many disappointments. In my mind, this is the perfect example of a massively over-hyped vintage that massively disappointed. And like you, I was seduced by ...

Cool, Julian, I have not tried this particular bottling. I like the Margaux bottling very much but it ain’t cheap - to be candid, I’d rather have two bottles of BAMA!

Did you cross-exam the spouse? Mine would be the prime suspect.

Which two old ladies were those? The DeMay sisters. 1920's. Look it up. Do you mean the Robin sisters that owned Lafleur and Le Gay? The Demay family sold the estate in 1925. Well, Mitch did say 1920s. The Château was owned by the de May family then. Sounds like Mitch doesn’t miss them.

Since I have a truck (inside joke, by the way), Nick, I love that reference! I commonly say that old pair of Levi jeans, too! That is Sociando to a “T”.

MikeL238 wrote: ↑
July 3rd, 2020, 5:54 am
Happy birthday! Always love finding nice '85 vintages from Bordeaux and California.

Happy birthday! Fun note. Shows like a mature Sociando should. Solid second and third base hits! I know I had one recently but cannot find my note. I have an 88 ready to roll soon.

This is an excellent vintage of Raffault.

Not Cornas, but in that price, a top choice would be Faury St Joseph Vieille Vignes:

https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/dom+ ... one+france

Question for the experts: of the pomerol super seconds (VCC, Trotanoy, Eglise Clinet) which is the value pick of the last decade? ‘12 or ‘14? (‘09, ‘10 and ‘16 sitting clearly in a higher piece&quality bracket) 2011 VCC would win my nomination for value pick of the decade, and if you like more Cabe...

Thanks Greg and Robert. I've had the Granit 30 and it was decent, though for the money there are a lot of other things I'd rather have. It was a 2016 vintage opened in 2019 - maybe I just prefer aged Cornas based on how I've heard people rave on the Granit 30+60. I know a lot of people that really ...

For me i think they're quite different in that Gonon's entire range (in red, not white) is great, whereas i think Balthazar's Chaillot is far and away the standout wine. If people start paying crazy prices for the Casimir - lol. Would be the end as we know it! [head-bang.gif] Hardly the end, but I ...

More than that. They are fundamentally different wines. I view 30 and 60 as modern and Geynale as classic. Gaynale is a killer vintage. Now going to grab some 2018.... Is the Geynale built to age for a long time? I'm a wine novice and I'm still struggling to understand how you can make a wine moder...

4) If you also like (or prefer) older wines, take the money the young Dominus costs and buy an old bottle, which will be much more complex and harmonious than the young ones. 1994 and 1991 are legends and cost not much more than the new releases. The next big thing might be 92 (and then 97) which p...

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wspohn wrote: ↑
July 1st, 2020, 6:53 pm
I have never had:

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A reviewed 100 point wine that I would have given 100 points to.
That says a lot right there.

Perhaps, but the salient follow-up is, “have you ever scored a wine 100 points?”

The car is 100!

Continuing my Bordeaux adventures. Opened a 2016 La Dame de Montrose, as a peek into what the grand vin could be like (I'd love to buy a bottle or two of 2016 and/or 2019 Montrose, but not willing to commit infanticide). Quite open with a short decant, muscular and slightly animalistic, with cassis...

Neal.Mollen wrote: ↑
July 1st, 2020, 6:48 am
Clos Manou! Wow! I'm sure Robert is going to run out to get cases.

Lol, I did check WineSearcher. And Leve. It’s a Leve 88 so I would prolly love it. Never tried it before.

Extremely well-done notes. Helpful reference on some wines I have. I knew that I should have bought more 2010 VCC.

patrick c albright wrote: ↑
June 30th, 2020, 10:07 pm
Twelve x 1990 Marcel Lapierre Morgon.

Wow! That’s unicorn-y!

If you guys get a chance, the 2014 Juge is magnificent. Best 2014 Rhône that I have had. Confirmed. Best Rhone in 2014. One of the best wines Marcel Juge made imo Todd. I open next time we hang Sick! Need a reason to open the '94 Rayas Fonsalette, too Dude, save it for our next meet-up, I’ll bring ...

Todd has friends!

If you guys get a chance, the 2014 Juge is magnificent. Best 2014 Rhône that I have had.

Here's a note I love, from our own David Bueker here on WB . It's entirely metaphoric, but sums up a classic Chablis 1er cru vividly: 2010 François Raveneau Chablis Grand Cru Blanchot - France, Burgundy, Chablis, Chablis Grand Cru (6/29/2020) Take a very sharp knife. Slide a lemon with one quick cu...

Le Pin?

I wonder if Sir Hans-Peter was referring to himself, as we never saw him again! Stumbling BFC is a dangerous thing. Prancing is bad, but stumbling, really bad No, Sire, I'm fine, thank you. The stumbling BFC was liquored-up so hard that it wasn't in shape to pick a fight when I approached it, so no...

They are both excellent, I just give a slight edge to 2010. The sneaky one is 2016, so delish. Hard to think of a vintage of Gonon that isn’t really strong. I have 2010 and 2013 both in dark storage compared to other more recent vintages.

Alan Rath wrote: ↑
June 29th, 2020, 9:49 am
Great note. My favorite vintage of the decade for Gonon

Over the 2010?

Chris Seiber wrote: ↑
June 29th, 2020, 9:30 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote: ↑
June 29th, 2020, 9:24 am
Chris I have always thought Raats made the most Loire Cab Franc Clone outside of Loire. It’s gotten pricier, but I used to buy a lot of it. Raats is South African.
Does it have the Loire outhouse character, or just the normal Loire character?

Aren’t they the same?!?

Maybe it's my perception, but when I get notes of tobacco leaf (vs. cigar box) it has a sweet quality to it. Is that just from the oak or can there be other influences? Me too, Brian. I think that’s the debate upstream, some seemingly suggesting that it comes from the oak, others of us suggesting i...

I distinctly remember my two pedigree pups, in their Exuberance, showcasing more wet slobbery cute puppy breath with a milky note. I wonder what mutts emit?

Great posts, William and Greg!

And I concur, Greg. Tobacco leaf is a major positive for me, and is quite distinct from herbs or bell pepper, which I also do not necessarily view as a negative. Adds to the overall color spectrum of the wine.

Ah, gracefully prancing Black Forest cake is fine. Once had Black Forest cake stumbling out of the glass clumsily. That wasn't pretty, that wasn't pretty at all. Now there's a memorable first post if there ever was one! I wonder if Sir Hans-Peter was referring to himself, as we never saw him again!...

BAMA is a great example, can’t believe I didn’t think of it. Lots of tobacco in that wine.

According to Chambers Street, it does see some minimal used oak:

After a six-month passage in old barrels, the wine spends two to three years in cement vats before bottling and release.

No meaning and no purpose I agree with Wes, the question is strange. I like wine. So I drink it. That's all. I like to read. I like chocolate. I like to garden. I like to travel. I like to visit friends. No deeper meaning to any of those either. Greg could be the Roger Scruton of the wine boards. “...

Sociando is also one of the most northern vineyards in Bordeaux, and they do not green harvest or control yields. This plays a big factor in ripeness and some of the herbal characteristics that many of us love from this Chateau. It always shocks me that Sociando only has 5% Cab Franc in the blend, o...

I did a Google search on this, and several sources mention the sweet tobacco leaf note may be just pyrazine character and more from just Cabernet Sauvignon not achieving full ripeness. If that's the case, why do I not pick it up with CA cabernet in which the winemaker isn't picking to make super ri...

Diane Kessler wrote: ↑
June 27th, 2020, 7:25 pm
1994 Dunn Howell Mountain - red fruit, tobacco, hints of green, high acid. Delicious and youthful.

Drool worthy!!

Great read, thanks for sharing.

One winery I always ask myself, “why don’t you buy more?”

If it was mostly the barrel, wouldn’t we have this note in just about every red wine made, at least those that see oak? It get your point if the note was cigar box, but what about tobacco leaf? I read Mel and Wes to be saying that some barrels are more conducive to this than others. Yes, Wes’ posts...

If it was mostly the barrel, wouldn’t we have this note in just about every red wine made, at least those that see oak? It get your point if the note was cigar box, but what about tobacco leaf?

I’m exploring Bordeaux a little bit and got this nice sweet tobacco leaf and cigar box notes from a 2016 Chateau Cantemerle. What is it about the wine that gives it to these aromas? Is it one of the grape varietals, winemaking, appellation (all three)? Would be interested in trying to find other Bo...

How was the Rougeard?

I had the 2005 Les Poyeaux not too long ago, it was spectacular.

I have found the 2000 Magdelaine a bit mercurial. I’ve had 3 bottles in the past year. One showed beautifully, then 2 from an OWC from the UK, was a baby, still sorta closed. I’m erring on the side of giving them more time at this point. Felt what way about a recent 1995 as well. The 1980s are glor...

I have found the 2000 Magdelaine a bit mercurial. I’ve had 3 bottles in the past year. One showed beautifully, then 2 from an OWC from the UK, was a baby, still sorta closed. I’m erring on the side of giving them more time at this point. Felt what way about a recent 1995 as well. The 1980s are glori...

Continuing my Bordeaux adventures. Opened a 2016 La Dame de Montrose, as a peek into what the grand vin could be like (I'd love to buy a bottle or two of 2016 and/or 2019 Montrose, but not willing to commit infanticide). Quite open with a short decant, muscular and slightly animalistic, with cassis...

I’m wondering what people think about the wines in the $40-$70ish price range. Seems like a relative bargain but I have tasted only a few of these from recent vintages (and certainly not 17/18/19 which are not out yet). I’d love to hear comments from people who have tasted the finished wines from 2...

AndyK wrote: ↑
June 25th, 2020, 9:20 am
Juge
Verset

Classic to do these side-by-side. Two of the Cornas greats.

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