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by Nathan V.
July 2nd, 2020, 11:48 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: How to keep wine glasses immaculate???
Replies: 39
Views: 2352

Re: How to keep wine glasses immaculate???

How does everyone put their glasses in the dishwasher? I was hoping to find a rack like in a commercial dishwasher that would fit in a home dishwasher. I have a Bosch and it has the spot to hold wine glasses but that didn't get my hard water stains off particularly well.
by Nathan V.
June 18th, 2020, 11:05 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: How would you spend $1000/year on Zinfandel
Replies: 81
Views: 3140

Re: How would you spend $1000/year on Zinfandel

Not that I ever plan out purchases but if I did it should look similar to One case Hobo. $300-$360 So glad someone mentioned this. The one Zinfandel I generally buy every year is the Hobo Branham Vineyard from Rockpile in Sonoma County. It's a very cool site and the wine is always in the 12.8 - 13....
by Nathan V.
June 16th, 2020, 7:22 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wine and logistics
Replies: 19
Views: 1410

Re: Wine and logistics

Actually, my wife’s folks lived in Banner Elk until their recent passing. Diane and I now go up often to take care of getting the property in shape to sell and to handle other final affairs. We were just there for two weeks and will likely head back in a week or so. Pretty hot in FL so the mountain...
by Nathan V.
June 16th, 2020, 10:36 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What would your classification of Loire reds be?
Replies: 331
Views: 15866

Re: What would your classification of Loire reds be?

A warning on 2002 Collier whites. Even worse affected by premox than Huet. I bought 4 back in the day, 3 were shot, one was amazingly gorgeous. Interesting. I wasn't taken by the early Collier wines and only re-visited a few years ago. The 2009 has been stunning every time I've had it. Was it a ste...
by Nathan V.
June 11th, 2020, 7:58 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2010 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon Les Grézeaux - WOW WOW
Replies: 42
Views: 1696

Re: TN: 2010 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon Les Grézeaux - WOW WOW

Ok you guys are killin me, will pop a 2010 Croix Boissee this weekend. Nathan any comments on the 2018 line-up? Reports of the vintage from folks on the ground were highly positive but I haven't tasted anything, sorry. My buying plan is the same as usual, although I may back off quantities a little...
by Nathan V.
June 11th, 2020, 6:58 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2010 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon Les Grézeaux - WOW WOW
Replies: 42
Views: 1696

Re: TN: 2010 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon Les Grézeaux - WOW WOW

Inspired by this thread, we had 2009 Clos Guillot and Croix Boissée last night. No "official" notes yet but both were spectacular. So interesting to taste the different limestone expressions of these sites. The Guillot was the rounder and more resolved of the two while the Croix Boissée gained more ...
by Nathan V.
June 10th, 2020, 7:23 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2010 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon Les Grézeaux - WOW WOW
Replies: 42
Views: 1696

Re: TN: 2010 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon Les Grézeaux - WOW WOW

Most recent bottle of 2010 Croix-Boissée. 2010 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon La Croix Boissée - France, Loire Valley, Touraine, Chinon (2/8/2019) WOW! What a sculpted, intense, perfectly crystalline nose. The purity of fruit and minerals is staggering. Not really anywhere near ready or open. The pal...
by Nathan V.
June 9th, 2020, 6:48 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2010 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon Les Grézeaux - WOW WOW
Replies: 42
Views: 1696

Re: TN: 2010 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon Les Grézeaux - WOW WOW

Has anyone tried the 2005 Grezeaux in the last 3 years? Any thoughts? Here is my most recent note, from a magnum: 2005 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon Les Grézeaux - France, Loire Valley, Touraine, Chinon (12/24/2018) Really beautiful, very Grézeaux nose. It's tough sledding on the palate, though. Se...
by Nathan V.
June 3rd, 2020, 3:09 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2004 Balgera Rosso di Valtellina, Lombardy
Replies: 4
Views: 192

Re: 2004 Balgera Rosso di Valtellina, Lombardy

Is this the infamous wine from RPs "bat guano" review?
by Nathan V.
June 2nd, 2020, 9:24 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Sec Wines in Portland
Replies: 85
Views: 5619

Re: Sec Wines in Portland

I don't order a lot from Eric and only know him virtually but we have a few friends in common who all hold him in the highest regard and by the transitive property, I do too. Coincidentally, I just ordered some wine from him last week. Hard to source wine at an good price but equally important thing...
by Nathan V.
May 29th, 2020, 1:07 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Massachusetts Wine Shipping Alert
Replies: 11
Views: 1133

Re: Massachusetts Wine Shipping Alert

Did this pass? Gordon's in MA now listed as shipping to NC on Wine-Searcher.
by Nathan V.
May 22nd, 2020, 8:27 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2016 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon Les Grézeaux
Replies: 92
Views: 3746

Re: TN: 2016 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon Les Grézeaux

I’m confused. I first bought Breton’s 1996s at Kermit’s shop back in ‘98 and ‘99 when I lived in the Bay Area. Plain white labels with script. You can see examples of the old label on cellartracker. Did it go from KL to LDM and then back? Someone who goes further back then I (hard to imagine, I kno...
by Nathan V.
May 22nd, 2020, 8:25 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2016 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon Les Grézeaux
Replies: 92
Views: 3746

Re: TN: 2016 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon Les Grézeaux

Granted that I can't recall having had Baudry earlier than 1999 vintage, but I've found aged/matured Rougeard to be crazy good and the experiences are at levels that I've not had in other Loire-based cab franc of the same age, most of which are already good in their own rights. Hi Ramon - if things...
by Nathan V.
May 21st, 2020, 6:21 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2016 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon Les Grézeaux
Replies: 92
Views: 3746

Re: TN: 2016 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon Les Grézeaux

Had the 2010 Boisee rouge recently. It was in fact a surprisingly elegant and balanced Cabernet Franc beginning to show an existing potential. Looking very much forward to following this the next 10-20 years It reminded me of old school St Emillion Cab Franc blend IMO, the '10 is arguably the pinna...
by Nathan V.
May 18th, 2020, 5:19 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wine Pricing at Auction - MENTAL
Replies: 138
Views: 11835

Re: Wine Pricing at Auction - MENTAL

That first collection really did well. But keep in mind that it is an increasing rarity at auction- verified one-owner since release for wines that are fully mature. I too was surprised by where the 89 La Mission ended, however when you consider how often that wine flips at auction- to be able to g...
by Nathan V.
May 18th, 2020, 12:33 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wine Pricing at Auction - MENTAL
Replies: 138
Views: 11835

Re: Wine Pricing at Auction - MENTAL

I know its a great wine but I just now watched an owc of six 1989 LMHB magnums sell for more than $39k in the Acker auction . . . zowie That first collection really did well. But keep in mind that it is an increasing rarity at auction- verified one-owner since release for wines that are fully matur...
by Nathan V.
May 18th, 2020, 11:29 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Critical of the Critics - 2004 & 2011 Red Burgundy
Replies: 259
Views: 13239

Re: Critical of the Critics - 2004 & 2011 Red Burgundy

Hi Nathan. Yes, there's a pyrazine 'character' in many Beaujolais - more in cooler vintages but still plenty in hot ones too - but it's practically floral, or at least very closely associated to florals - very different on the 'meh' scale to 04 and 11 burgundies. Did you like the Dr Georges' wines ...
by Nathan V.
May 18th, 2020, 8:30 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Critical of the Critics - 2004 & 2011 Red Burgundy
Replies: 259
Views: 13239

Re: Critical of the Critics - 2004 & 2011 Red Burgundy

I have had many beautiful 2011s and even bought some - no surprise that they are drinking far better than 2013 right now, though I put more money on the well-triaged 'crystalline' 12s - but absolutely nothing in the cellar from 2011 that I didn't taste first. As somebody else in this thread noted, ...
by Nathan V.
May 13th, 2020, 8:20 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2016 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon Les Grézeaux
Replies: 92
Views: 3746

Re: TN: 2016 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon Les Grézeaux

Unfortunately the Boisee (red and white) is not available in magnums I've been trying to get Matthieu to bottle the red in magnum for years but he says that there isn't enough wine to justify a separate bottling run. The only magnum I've ever seen was a 2008 magnum he sent us as a wedding gift. I w...
by Nathan V.
May 13th, 2020, 7:41 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2016 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon Les Grézeaux
Replies: 92
Views: 3746

Re: TN: 2016 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon Les Grézeaux

Unfortunately the Boisee (red and white) is not available in magnums I've been trying to get Matthieu to bottle the red in magnum for years but he says that there isn't enough wine to justify a separate bottling run. The only magnum I've ever seen was a 2008 magnum he sent us as a wedding gift. I w...
by Nathan V.
May 7th, 2020, 12:16 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Drinking in Place
Replies: 10
Views: 769

Re: Drinking in Place

2014 Folk Machine Parts & Labor - USA, California (4/8/2020) A very satisfying bistro red, with blackberry fruit, a touch of herbs, and a pleasantly tart and slightly tannic finish that makes it a great match for food and just plain fun. (90 pts.) I just love Kenny's wines. If we are ever able to r...
by Nathan V.
May 5th, 2020, 11:51 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: How good is the 2008 vintage in BURGUNDY
Replies: 15
Views: 903

Re: How good is the 2008 vintage in BURGUNDY

Great now and later: 2008 Domaine Georges Mugneret-Gibourg Echezeaux Good now, great later: 2008 Domaine Georges Mugneret-Gibourg Ruchottes-Chambertin Very good now: 2008 Domaine Louis Boillot et Fils Gevrey-Chambertin Les Evocelles 2008 Domaine Georges Mugneret-Gibourg Vosne-Romanée Very good now, ...
by Nathan V.
May 5th, 2020, 9:09 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Domaine Guillemot-Michel, Burgundy
Replies: 56
Views: 3339

Re: Domaine Guillemot-Michel, Burgundy

Thanks William, that would be amazing! Nathan, our importer is based in Virginia so I'm appalled you can't find our wines in NC... I know we have distribution issues in the US and I've tried to improve things lately (even if I don't have much leverage) but the tariff and virus didn't help. So to gi...
by Nathan V.
May 4th, 2020, 1:16 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Domaine Guillemot-Michel, Burgundy
Replies: 56
Views: 3339

Re: Domaine Guillemot-Michel, Burgundy

My local retailer introduced me to Guillemot-Michel over ten years ago. I love the wine you are producing and am so pleased to have your voice here. Cheers, fred Really? I haven't seen those wines in the market. The only time I saw it listed in an NC book it was an older vintage and they are a big ...
by Nathan V.
May 3rd, 2020, 1:48 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Domaine Guillemot-Michel, Burgundy
Replies: 56
Views: 3339

Re: Domaine Guillemot-Michel, Burgundy

Gautier, thanks so much for posting. I've been a longtime fan of your wines, like Mike, and met Pierrette and Marc a couple of times, I believe at the Dive Bouteille many years ago. Although the wines are scarce in my market (North Carolina) I've always been able to count on getting some from my fri...
by Nathan V.
May 1st, 2020, 12:25 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: RUDY KURNIAWAN & GLOBAL WINE AUCTION FRAUD THREAD (MERGED)
Replies: 8786
Views: 1295718

Re: RUDY KURNIAWAN & GLOBAL WINE AUCTION FRAUD THREAD (MERGED)

Perhaps what has folks debating is the concept of "moral hazard." Decoupling (a) the act of fraud from (b) the analysis of harm (including therein the defining of harm) is tough for many to swallow. However, there are many academic approaches to the topic (particularly those of some economists) who...
by Nathan V.
May 1st, 2020, 9:45 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: When is a Wine Worth Too Much to Drink?
Replies: 90
Views: 4173

Re: When is a Wine Worth Too Much to Drink?

Talk me out of selling my '90s Verset Nathan :-). They're pretty good but $800 good? They're the best wines that I've had in the last few years. Better than Chave, Gonon, Jamet, you name it. Better than anything I've had that sells in that price range. Eric's argument is more of a humanist/moral ar...
by Nathan V.
May 1st, 2020, 8:02 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: When is a Wine Worth Too Much to Drink?
Replies: 90
Views: 4173

Re: When is a Wine Worth Too Much to Drink?

I seldom sell wines. But I did. And the motive was always that I thought the wine is expensive but not really good. At least I could have the same pleasure or even more with wines of the same type but for less money. Some people say you get what you pay for. I have learned that this is not always t...
by Nathan V.
April 27th, 2020, 9:43 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2009 Clos Roche Blanche Touraine Cuvée Cot (France, Loire Valley, Touraine)
Replies: 19
Views: 646

Re: TN: 2009 Clos Roche Blanche Touraine Cuvée Cot (France, Loire Valley, Touraine)

Very unfortunately their last vintage was 2014. At least they went out with a bang. 2009 was the last bottling of the Côt and IIRC it is all the old vines. Yes, sorry to be unclear. I meant that 2014 was the last CRB vintage altogether. You weren't, my comment was meant as an addition. Was a nice s...
by Nathan V.
April 27th, 2020, 6:42 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2009 Clos Roche Blanche Touraine Cuvée Cot (France, Loire Valley, Touraine)
Replies: 19
Views: 646

Re: TN: 2009 Clos Roche Blanche Touraine Cuvée Cot (France, Loire Valley, Touraine)

Thanks for the excellent note, Jay - I've heard a lot about this but never tried it. I shall send out my minions in search of some immediately. Very unfortunately their last vintage was 2014. At least they went out with a bang. 2009 was the last bottling of the Côt and IIRC it is all the old vines.
by Nathan V.
April 23rd, 2020, 5:52 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Stu Yaniger??
Replies: 51
Views: 2473

Re: Stu Yaniger??

Larry Stein wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 11:08 am
Funny, at every offline I attended with him, we all called him Stuart. Or worse...much worse ;-)
Yep, Stuart and worse...
by Nathan V.
April 23rd, 2020, 5:51 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Stu Yaniger??
Replies: 51
Views: 2473

Re: Stu Yaniger??

I don't even have to open that link to know which wine it was. Folks I know who tasted that wine told me it was even worse than Stuart's description. He was on Dressner's sh*t list after that note. Not that Stuart cared. Actually, Joe loved that note. Being on his shit list and him liking something...
by Nathan V.
April 23rd, 2020, 5:47 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Stu Yaniger??
Replies: 51
Views: 2473

Re: Stu Yaniger??

Eric Ifune wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 3:37 pm
Best tasting note ever.
http://www.the-stupids.com/?p=1387
That was my bottle of Overnoy. The wine internet in simpler times.
by Nathan V.
April 21st, 2020, 1:20 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Protruding Cork / Heat Damage Question
Replies: 5
Views: 348

Re: Protruding Cork / Heat Damage Question

Mike Evans wrote:
April 21st, 2020, 1:08 pm
With a muffin top like that, the cork was probably only inserted to that point at bottling, not pushed out by expansion of the wine from heat or freezing.
Agreed. Wine up the side of the cork is more likely to indicate heat damage. That or the producer pre-soaks the corks... [shrug]
by Nathan V.
April 21st, 2020, 7:12 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2015 M Plouzeau Clos de Maulevrier Ante Phylloxera Franc de Pied [Updated 4.20.20 note and w/2014 Rougeard]
Replies: 45
Views: 1762

Re: TN: 2015 M Plouzeau Clos de Maulevrier Touraine 'Ante Phylloxera' Franc de Pied

Popped another tonight even though I said I would stick these away for 10 years after my last note upstream in this thread from January 2019. I’m like a walking talking contradiction, but was all curious right now and hyped up on all the Loire threads lately, half of which are started by my British...
by Nathan V.
April 18th, 2020, 3:22 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Very Disappointing Showings of Raveneau and Ramonet
Replies: 60
Views: 2220

Re: Very Disappointing Showings of Raveneau and Ramonet

I'm constantly amazed people spend good money on white Burg when there is Oregon and Champagne. agree with half of what you say—but Oregon and white Burgundy are two different animals. Raveneau’s pox rate is very low and the hit rate very high. White Burgandy has to be the lowest QPR of any region?...
by Nathan V.
April 18th, 2020, 3:21 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Very Disappointing Showings of Raveneau and Ramonet
Replies: 60
Views: 2220

Re: Very Disappointing Showings of Raveneau and Ramonet

It is certainly a possibility I'd considered. I would have expected low level TCA to become more and more evident with air, but sometimes that doesn't happen. No way of knowing. I think you should just trust your judgement. I've had too many disappointing bottles from Raveneau, such that, I'm glad ...
by Nathan V.
April 18th, 2020, 1:26 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Very Disappointing Showings of Raveneau and Ramonet
Replies: 60
Views: 2220

Re: Very Disappointing Showings of Raveneau and Ramonet

Almost sounds like low level TCA--I would expect the Raveneau to show better, at least some nose for a 12.5 year old wine. It is certainly a possibility I'd considered. I would have expected low level TCA to become more and more evident with air, but sometimes that doesn't happen. No way of knowing...
by Nathan V.
April 17th, 2020, 12:57 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: A big bunch of Nebbiolos (long & boring)
Replies: 38
Views: 1663

Re: TN: A big bunch of Nebbiolos (long & boring)

Interesting set of notes. Last Spring we visited the Alto Piedmont and spent a lot of time with Cristiano Garella (who is a really interesting dynamic individual who has had an immense impact on the region) at Colombera and Garella and other properties he is involved with either as partner or consu...
by Nathan V.
April 16th, 2020, 12:04 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: A big bunch of Nebbiolos (long & boring)
Replies: 38
Views: 1663

Re: TN: A big bunch of Nebbiolos (long & boring)

Interesting set of notes. Last Spring we visited the Alto Piedmont and spent a lot of time with Cristiano Garella (who is a really interesting dynamic individual who has had an immense impact on the region) at Colombera and Garella and other properties he is involved with either as partner or consul...
by Nathan V.
April 15th, 2020, 8:18 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Can an AFWE wine lover like strong IPAs?
Replies: 107
Views: 2205

Re: Can an AFWE wine lover like strong IPAs?

IMO, Yes. Big IPAs (especially SD, Greenflash style or Dogfish Head 90 minute style, though I find those two to be the best avatar's of the style) are not AFWE. That being said, I like them (those two particularly) every now and then just like I like a big CA red every now and then with the right fo...
by Nathan V.
April 13th, 2020, 12:40 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wine Pricing at Auction - MENTAL
Replies: 138
Views: 11835

Re: Wine Pricing at Auction - MENTAL

Before this heads to Politics. Here's the GOAT explaining why the 'Rich' are not 'hoarding' money. Fast forward to the 36 minute 20 second mark Pretty incredible how in 1979 the most popular daytime television show, the Phil Donahue show, devoted 2 full episodes to a Q+A session with the greatest e...
by Nathan V.
April 10th, 2020, 12:21 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Restaurants selling wine carry-out at great prices...
Replies: 152
Views: 13224

Re: Restaurants selling wine carry-out at great prices...

First off, I'm so sorry to hear about your restaurant Nathan. I can only imagine how difficult that is and just hate to hear stories like this. I'm also sorry if any of these posts came across as insensitive. I can certainly see your point given your situation, but as others have mentioned, I dont ...
by Nathan V.
April 10th, 2020, 11:57 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Restaurants selling wine carry-out at great prices...
Replies: 152
Views: 13224

Re: Restaurants selling wine carry-out at great prices...

First off, I'm so sorry to hear about your restaurant Nathan. I can only imagine how difficult that is and just hate to hear stories like this. I'm also sorry if any of these posts came across as insensitive. I can certainly see your point given your situation, but as others have mentioned, I dont ...
by Nathan V.
April 10th, 2020, 11:39 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Restaurants selling wine carry-out at great prices...
Replies: 152
Views: 13224

Re: Restaurants selling wine carry-out at great prices...

I gotta say that as someone who had to close their restaurant and lay-off 35 staff the sense of vulture-like glee at deals due to the desperation of restaurants that were until several weeks ago thriving businesses doesn't sit very well with me. Maybe it is the limitations of communication through ...
by Nathan V.
April 10th, 2020, 11:38 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Restaurants selling wine carry-out at great prices...
Replies: 152
Views: 13224

Re: Restaurants selling wine carry-out at great prices...

I gotta say that as someone who had to close their restaurant and lay-off 35 staff the sense of vulture-like glee at deals due to the desperation of restaurants that were until several weeks ago thriving businesses doesn't sit very well with me. Maybe it is the limitations of communication through ...
by Nathan V.
April 10th, 2020, 11:36 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Restaurants selling wine carry-out at great prices...
Replies: 152
Views: 13224

Re: Restaurants selling wine carry-out at great prices...

I gotta say that as someone who had to close their restaurant and lay-off 35 staff the sense of vulture-like glee at deals due to the desperation of restaurants that were until several weeks ago thriving businesses doesn't sit very well with me. Maybe it is the limitations of communication through ...
by Nathan V.
April 10th, 2020, 10:41 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Restaurants selling wine carry-out at great prices...
Replies: 152
Views: 13224

Re: Restaurants selling wine carry-out at great prices...

I gotta say that as someone who had to close their restaurant and lay-off 35 staff the sense of vulture-like glee at deals due to the desperation of restaurants that were until several weeks ago thriving businesses doesn't sit very well with me. Maybe it is the limitations of communication through t...
by Nathan V.
April 6th, 2020, 11:41 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: KY joins (partially) the 20th century!!!
Replies: 16
Views: 834

Re: KY joins (partially) the 20th century!!!

So I am a native homegrown boy from Louisville and could NOT be more excited about this news! Thanks to HB 415, we are now a shipping state finally. Due to the economic crisis, our Bourbon producers were primarily responsible for this legislature in order to ship their product directly across Ameri...
by Nathan V.
April 6th, 2020, 7:24 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2017 Beau Rivage Chenin Blanc - Outstanding QPR [a William Kelley winery]
Replies: 34
Views: 1259

Re: TN: 2017 Beau Rivage Chenin Blanc - Outstanding QPR [a William Kelley winery]

G. Bienstock wrote:
April 5th, 2020, 3:30 pm
How much Old Vine Chenin Blanc is there in Clarksburg? I really enjoyed the Vinum Chenin over the years.
I was wondering the same thing. Is this the same source as the old Dry Creek chenin (or Pine Ridge)?

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