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Jan, congratulations on finding German Rieslings from the MSR. Loved your notes and esp. your enthusiasm. These are the best wine values in the world. I think your next step should be trying to find German wines with some age on them. Whether from the producers you tasted or the producers you want ...

Depending on the vintage, sometimes declassified GG fruit makes it into the lower tier cuvees. IIRC, the 2018 Von Der Fels had a higher percentage of declassified Pettenthal than usual. Guessing at what you mean by lower tier cuvees, but the RR always comes from a specific section of Kirchspiel - t...

Depending on the vintage, sometimes declassified GG fruit makes it into the lower tier cuvees. IIRC, the 2018 Von Der Fels had a higher percentage of declassified Pettenthal than usual. Guessing at what you mean by lower tier cuvees, but the RR always comes from a specific section of Kirchspiel - t...

A little hard to tell as wines are stored in more then one place, but it would appear to be:
Keller
Julian Haart
Prum/Grunhaus/Schaefer

Clemens Busch will overtake Julian Haart soon given how difficult it is to get Julian's wines in any quantity.
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Brian S t o t t e r wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2021, 5:42 pm
A.Gillette wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2021, 4:25 pm 12 x 2001 Prum W-S Spatlese.
What??

Missed it at the Rudi Wiest auction two years ago. Got it now for a lot less.

12 x 2001 Prum W-S Spatlese.

I am looking to put away a few bottles of Riesling primarily from Mosel. I heard 2019 has been a great year in general with the usual Egon Muller getting high reviews for his Kabinett and Spatelese. But Egon comes with $$. Any other suggestions in both classes? Julian Haart appears to have a strong...

Thanks for the note. I drank the ‘18 GG this week. I’ve also been really impressed with the Grunhaus Abtsberg GGs. Amazing to see the vineyard kinship across pradikat levels and all the way through the GGs: you can always tell that the wines come from Abtsberg. For me, there is a “grapiness” (for la...

Finally found a few things I’ve been trying to track down forever. 12 x 2001 Prum W-S Kabinett, 12 x ‘97 Grunhaus Abstberg Kabinett

[quote="Robert Dentice" post_id=3200792 It is not just me who fawns over them. When Stephen started importing them to the U.S. almost every major sommelier in NYC flipped over them and immediately added them to their lists. The majority of the people I have poured them for fall in love wit...

Anyone have data on the actual economic effects of the tariffs on importers, retailers and customers? From my perspective, it’s bizarre. Wine prices have continued to skyrocket unabated, notwithstanding tariffs and every restaurant in the world closing indefinitely. Are tariffs just being passed on ...

I saw the catalog. I couldn’t get excited about any of the producers in that auction.
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And Jean Marc & Thomas Bouley remain readily available at decent prices...

I buy roughly the same things every year with slight variations based on quantity or getting offered something new. I do that without tasting the vintage and instead relying on purchasing producer’s whose wines I know I will enjoy. That has worked out well. I do think that it feels like we are poten...

I’ve often found the Charlopin wines to be, much like Greg’s attempt to rationalize his misuse of the “merchant”, over-extracted and puzzling. But my experience is limited to the Bourgogne franc de pied. I bought Desaunay Bissey in 2005 - but never again because they are bad. Anytime a merchant, imp...

I like Neal's portfolio a lot, but he's neither a merchant nor a retailer. Neal Rosenthal isn’t a merchant? [scratch.gif] It's been a very long time since Neal sold wine directly to consumers. He's an importer, he's not a merchant. Hasn't been for a long time. Since when is the word “merchant” limi...

Greg K wrote: ↑February 4th, 2021, 8:14 am
Mich@el Ch@ng wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2021, 7:27 pm Neil Rosenthal is probably the closest for me.
I like Neal's portfolio a lot, but he's neither a merchant nor a retailer.

Neal Rosenthal isn’t a merchant?

I’m happy to trade my 13 and 14 DRC, Liger Belair, Mugneret Gibourg, Arnoux-Lachaux and Rousseau for 18s once they’re released, not that I imagine I’ll find many takers. Have you tried the 18’s from DRC, Rousseau and M-G? A Just MG, which I loved. I’ll still trade. Drc isn’t released yet I don’t th...

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote: ↑January 24th, 2021, 4:54 pm I’m happy to trade my 13 and 14 DRC, Liger Belair, Mugneret Gibourg, Arnoux-Lachaux and Rousseau for 18s once they’re released, not that I imagine I’ll find many takers.

Have you tried the 18’s from DRC, Rousseau and M-G?
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^ I’m with Greg on this one. There are some ‘18s that really show their alcohol. Seems far from a sure thing to me. It seems like too nuanced of a vintage to make a proclamation of a greatness right now, but I sure hope it turns out great. A That’s fair, but the bar was 13 and I think it’s a much b...

^ I’m with Greg on this one. There are some ‘18s that really show their alcohol. Seems far from a sure thing to me. It seems like too nuanced of a vintage to make a proclamation of a greatness right now, but I sure hope it turns out great.
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I don’t know about best, but I’ve always had a soft spot for the more northern 2001 reds. But I haven’t had many of the more recent vintages Haven’t seen a Robert Thornton post in a while but it sure is nice to see one. One of the real expert burgundy voices from the old Parker board. I think ‘17 l...

The only rule about 2005 is that there are no rules. Isn't this, for the most part, true of any vintage? It's fun to generalize about the longevity of vintage, and its helpful in broad terms, but really when you are talking about thousands of wines made by hundreds of people any sort of generalizat...

There are plenty of merchants here in the UK that are/will be making offers. You should be able to download the previous years offers from places like the Wine Society to get an idea of what is usually available. I have read comments from Jancis that being a hot year there are some overripeness iss...

It sounds like things are moving at an ‘05-ish pace, despite higher prices. I guess that isn’t too surprising as the global appetite for burgundy seems to be ever-increasing and not sensitive to price coupled with some challenging yields. I’ve put in a request for the usual suspects and I’m interest...

This is so very true. I opened a 2005 de Vogüé Chambolle-Musigny back in late 2019 and was very, VERY happy with it. Every time I pull out my 2005's this is the bottle I stare at & wonder how it will be when tertiary notes start to come in later in life. I opened that same de Vogue last year an...

As a very broad generalisation, if one really wants to enjoy red burgundy without waiting thirty years one should buy the less 'good' vintages. I would revise that and say buy earlier maturing vintages. I have found 2007 and 2017's as earlier drinking in general compared to big vintages like 2005 a...

6 x Keller 2017 auction Pettenthal GG. Just a smidge above the auction clearing price, but not gonna complain.
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Charlie Carnes wrote: ↑January 10th, 2021, 4:54 pm Well we need to fix this. I believe in J Haart’s Pradikats with utmost emphasis!!!

It’s probably better if fewer people like them since they are fairly unobtainable anyway. Kudos to the sender of this 6-pack!
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Thanks for the notes. Von Hovel offers (or at least at one time did offer) a kosher kabinett from Hutte that is very nice.
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Agreed! Lots of useful information from Lars, particularly if you become a member of his site. Lots of useful articles for subscribers there.
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So, what is the history of the wines aging? At what ages do you think the wines are best based on your history with the estate. The oldest wine I have had was a 2017 I had in 2020. I must admit that this discussion is kind of strange to me. I cannot remember having a Saar wine from an excellent pro...

Well, its in full-swing now and by next week I will have put in for all but the late releases, but I haven’t heard much here about 2019 burgundy en primeur. No grand tastings this year means fewer first-hand accounts of the wines. I thought Jasper Morris’s notes were incredibly helpful, particularly...

Finally tracked down 6 x Breuer Berg Schlossberg 2017/2018.
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My point was about a specific winemaking technique, and how it affects ageabilty. It wasn’t an attack on Falkenstein’s wines (whose wines I’ve been cellaring for quite some time) or a question about the longevity of the Saar. It sounds like I was incorrect about what was done at Falkenstein in 2019...

Lars, it confuses me that this is a question. Haven't the Webers owned the estate for a very long time (at least since the 1980s)? Shouldn't it be known by now whether the wines age or they don't age. Have things changed in how they do things enough to raise a question? The Webers have owned Falken...

That's double me lol I bought a good bit like I do every year, but I’m still not sure about the lifespan of these wines given the use of just the first-press juice. I suppose it doesn’t matter if you drink them young, when they are so delicious it’s hard to resist. I started putting away more of th...

I only got a single of this too as well as the Gisela which I already opened. First thought was, damn, why didn’t I buy more. And now I can’t find them anywhere Mee too Although I bought 66 bottles of 2019 That's double me lol I bought a good bit like I do every year, but I’m still not sure about t...

Michael S. Monie wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 9:59 am 2005 Mugnier Marechale is showing beautifully right now.

The 2005 mugnier marechale and chambolle are so lovely right now that I was tempted to open a Fuees but decided to hold back.

I bought heavily in 2019 and almost all that I tasted were delicious right out of the gate with high acidities and very open and sometimes complex aromatics. this is true for the Schloss Lieser Kabinetts and Spätlese Juffer and Goldtröpfchen (the Juffer Kabinett indeed with spätlese concentration a...

Would like to make it back to mosel to try the auction wines again this year after missing the 2019 vintage.
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It’s hard to describe how remarkable the wines were on release. I agree with those who prefer 2010 but the promise of 2005 when it came out justified the hype. As for the wines, last night I drank an ‘05 Giroud Chambertin and an ‘05 Ponsot Griotte. Both were outstanding and while there is no doubt t...

Doesn’t have to be. There are many spectacular dry wines. Yes, but that doesn’t really answer the question. To sensibly answer the question the wine not only has to be spectacular but also much harder or much pricier to obtain. Only if it’s worth it. I have always found Breuer priced beyond its wor...

So for the dry wines, if you’re excluding Keller, it has to be Breuer, right? Haven’t fallen in love with the Nonnenberg, but the Berg wines? Wow. A Doesn’t have to be. There are many spectacular dry wines. Yes, but that doesn’t really answer the question. To sensibly answer the question the wine n...

So for the dry wines, if you’re excluding Keller, it has to be Breuer, right? Haven’t fallen in love with the Nonnenberg, but the Berg wines? Wow.
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A fair bit, yes. I think overall, producers are doing a better job with hot vintages now. A few of the producers I visited mentioned as much. definitely - I think people compared it to 03 (even in burgundy some producers did) but they also stated they learned from 03 and put out fresher wines. Yeah...

I don't have large allocations like many Berserkers, and mostly buy by in 2-4 bottle groupings, so I haven't had to buy to keep up my relationships. All the 18's I've had (mostly Bourgogne/Cote de Nuits Villages) have been almost unbearably ripe/burly. I'm not allocating any more of my budget to th...

If anyone was an insomniac like me, Jasper Morris did a broadcast this AM (at 10 Burgundy time) in discussing the 2019's. He made numerous references to the 2018's that were quite helpful, including the issues of growers picking early due to fears of over-ripeness and his experiences of drinking 14...

For people responding to this thread, I'd be curious to know how you make your decisions if you haven't tasted the wines? Following the press, this forum, word of mouth, or simply trying to maintain allocations with sources? I generally buy the same things every year. It’s not so much to maintain a...

Dujac
Rousseau
Jean-Marc Bouley
Fourrier
Lafarge
Bachelet
Clavelier
Mugnier
Didier Fornerol
Same things i buy every year.
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