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by Loren Sonkin
November 2nd, 2019, 1:27 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Downstream Wines
Replies: 168
Views: 13895

Re: Downstream Wines

The bigger issue for me is that you have to buy a Magnum. $400 and that makes it difficult to find a time to open. It would be much easier to just buy 5 bottles than the 3/1. Hey, it's their model and I don't begrudge them, just saying why I haven't been able to pull the trigger (yet?).
by Loren Sonkin
November 1st, 2019, 2:30 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: WOTYs--2019 Edition--and your Discovery of the Year
Replies: 117
Views: 8422

Re: WOTYs--2019 Edition--and your Discovery of the Year

I always enjoy this thread and all the work Mike does on it. Thank you. I won't commit until later in the year, but right now my WOTY was a Mag of the 2005 Saxum Rocket Block. Great wine of course, but also it was in the Jets Parking lot with Jay Hack and my son, before a Monday night Jet vs. Browns...
by Loren Sonkin
November 1st, 2019, 2:20 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2004 Finca Sandoval (Spain, Castilla-La Mancha, Manchuela)
Replies: 8
Views: 330

Re: TN: 2004 Finca Sandoval (Spain, Castilla-La Mancha, Manchuela)

Thanks. I have some of these I need to get to.
by Loren Sonkin
October 22nd, 2019, 12:07 pm
Forum: BYO Forum - Wine at Restaurants
Topic: Dayton, Ohio
Replies: 3
Views: 804

Re: Dayton, Ohio

FYI, All public consumption of alcohol is illegal in Ohio unless expressly permitted. There is no law saying no BYOB as it is not necessary. Do places allow it? Sure? But, they do risk losing a liquor license. Probably not much of a risk for a first time offense. And no risk if no license.
by Loren Sonkin
October 17th, 2019, 2:50 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TNs--Dinner in Cleveland with Loren and friends
Replies: 1
Views: 559

Re: TNs--Dinner in Cleveland with Loren and friends

Hi Mike,

Just saw this. Sorry I missed much of the night, but it sounds like it was a good time. Glad I could join you guys for a few glasses though.
by Loren Sonkin
September 26th, 2019, 6:36 am
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: Napa 10/9 or 10/10?
Replies: 2
Views: 800

Napa 10/9 or 10/10?

Anyone around in Napa on 10/9 or 10/10 and interested in getting together for some wine?
by Loren Sonkin
September 23rd, 2019, 11:05 am
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: NY City 9/14 or 9/15?
Replies: 50
Views: 3044

Re: NY City 9/14 or 9/15?

Thomas Rippe wrote:
September 18th, 2019, 4:55 pm
Any photos or notes?

My WOTN:

1. Churchill
2. Hermitage
I put some on Facebook. If you are on there, please friend me.
by Loren Sonkin
September 18th, 2019, 2:04 pm
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: NY City 9/14 or 9/15?
Replies: 50
Views: 3044

Re: NY City 9/14 or 9/15?

Fun night. Thanks to all. Great to meet some new people and see some old friends. Thank you Jay!
by Loren Sonkin
September 13th, 2019, 2:40 pm
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: Oh Yeah, almost forgot! Host Loren Sonkin as The Jets Crush The Browns, Metlife Stadium, New Jersey, 9/16/19
Replies: 11
Views: 1305

Re: Oh Yeah, almost forgot! Host Loren Sonkin as The Jets Crush The Browns, Metlife Stadium, New Jersey, 9/16/19

J a y H a c k wrote:
September 3rd, 2019, 7:47 am

We will probably set up at Parking Lot Stanchion G5 near the Metlife gate on the east side of the Stadium, but we will figure it out for sure this weekend at the Buffalo game.

If you can't make this game, we tailgate with serious wine every Jets home game.
Is this still the plan?
by Loren Sonkin
September 11th, 2019, 3:17 pm
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: NY City 9/14 or 9/15?
Replies: 50
Views: 3044

Re: NY City 9/14 or 9/15?

Loren Sonkin and Ryan Sonkin (I will confirm with Lyle)

NV Krug Champagne Brut Grande Cuvée Edition 167eme (It's Jay's Birthday)
2008 Sine Qua Non Syrah The Duel (I am coming out for Browns vs. Jets)
2012 Domaine Jean-Louis Chave Hermitage (so Lyle has something he can drink)
by Loren Sonkin
September 9th, 2019, 4:07 pm
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: NY City 9/14 or 9/15?
Replies: 50
Views: 3044

Re: NY City 9/14 or 9/15?

I'm going to go with Amma, which is 246 East 51st Street, south side between Second and Third Avenues, but I have to talk to them about corkage. The owner wasn't there when I stopped in on Friday. The room is small but we are not going to have a huge group. There has been turnover at Utsav and the ...
by Loren Sonkin
September 9th, 2019, 12:33 pm
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: NY City 9/14 or 9/15?
Replies: 50
Views: 3044

Re: NY City 9/14 or 9/15?

Any update on this Jay?
by Loren Sonkin
September 4th, 2019, 4:58 am
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: Oh Yeah, almost forgot! Host Loren Sonkin as The Jets Crush The Browns, Metlife Stadium, New Jersey, 9/16/19
Replies: 11
Views: 1305

Re: Oh Yeah, almost forgot! Host Loren Sonkin as The Jets Crush The Browns, Metlife Stadium, New Jersey, 9/16/19

Dan Hammer wrote:
September 3rd, 2019, 3:03 pm
Sorry to miss you Loren. Hope to see you at the Toronto cellar clearing next summer.
Same!
by Loren Sonkin
September 3rd, 2019, 1:44 pm
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: NY City 9/14 or 9/15?
Replies: 50
Views: 3044

Re: NY City 9/14 or 9/15?

So, assuming we are under 10 or 12 people (which it looks like) so 750's, for wines, I am thinking the following: NV Krug Champagne Brut Grande Cuvée Edition 167eme (It's Jay's Birthday) 2008 Sine Qua Non Syrah The Duel (I am coming out for Browns vs. Jets) 2009 Domaine Jean-Louis Chave Hermitage (s...
by Loren Sonkin
September 3rd, 2019, 1:35 pm
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: Oh Yeah, almost forgot! Host Loren Sonkin as The Jets Crush The Browns, Metlife Stadium, New Jersey, 9/16/19
Replies: 11
Views: 1305

Re: Oh Yeah, almost forgot! Host Loren Sonkin as The Jets Crush The Browns, Metlife Stadium, New Jersey, 9/16/19

Assuming my checked bag makes it thru ok, put me down for a Magnum of 2005 Saxum Rocket Block. My son will be joining us, so I will bring something else as well. He can have my share of the meat. :-) Thanks very much! So what you're saying is that you did not ruin your son's life by making him a ve...
by Loren Sonkin
September 3rd, 2019, 11:59 am
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: Oh Yeah, almost forgot! Host Loren Sonkin as The Jets Crush The Browns, Metlife Stadium, New Jersey, 9/16/19
Replies: 11
Views: 1305

Re: Oh Yeah, almost forgot! Host Loren Sonkin as The Jets Crush The Browns, Metlife Stadium, New Jersey, 9/16/19

Assuming my checked bag makes it thru ok, put me down for a Magnum of 2005 Saxum Rocket Block. My son will be joining us, so I will bring something else as well. He can have my share of the meat. :-) Thanks very much!
by Loren Sonkin
September 3rd, 2019, 6:17 am
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: NY City 9/14 or 9/15?
Replies: 50
Views: 3044

Re: NY City 9/14 or 9/15?

Looking forward to it. Also, Lyle Fass will be joining us.
by Loren Sonkin
August 30th, 2019, 2:46 pm
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: NY City 9/14 or 9/15?
Replies: 50
Views: 3044

Re: NY City 9/14 or 9/15?

So, Jay, anything in particular you want to drink on your birthday? CA, France, Ohio? I have found the Syrah goes well with Indian food.
by Loren Sonkin
August 27th, 2019, 1:45 pm
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: NY City 9/14 or 9/15?
Replies: 50
Views: 3044

Re: NY City 9/14 or 9/15?

Thank you Jay. Looking forward to it.

I am coming along with my son (23) Ryan.
by Loren Sonkin
August 19th, 2019, 11:05 am
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: College of Wooster parents?
Replies: 6
Views: 1610

Re: College of Wooster parents?

I will hold the 19th for now. We finally got a Graeters near me up here. And of course, the stores carry them now. Maybe you can get some at Buehler's? Fwiw, corkage is not allowed in Ohio, but some places will make an exception if you ask. Or, I am always happy to host something up here. Have fun a...
by Loren Sonkin
August 16th, 2019, 10:32 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2015 Shafer HSS offer
Replies: 45
Views: 4589

Re: 2015 Shafer HSS offer

I dropped off a couple vintages back. It's a great wine. Consistently one of the best in Napa, so in the world. But, I can almost always find it at retail for the same price and usually less. Even the 100 pointers. Now, if you want the Mags, it might be a different story. Still, I don't think there ...
by Loren Sonkin
August 16th, 2019, 10:28 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: why won't wine.com ship to me?
Replies: 28
Views: 1778

Re: why won't wine.com ship to me?

I was told that wine.com considers each state a separate sales territory and they will not ship from one store to another territory. Almost like a franchise model. This was a while back but from a wine.com employee. It wasn't about shipping laws. At least that's what they told me. Maybe someone in t...
by Loren Sonkin
August 16th, 2019, 7:52 am
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: College of Wooster parents?
Replies: 6
Views: 1610

Re: College of Wooster parents?

No, but I am only an hour or so north. If you plan anything, it would be great to drive down or you can come up.
by Loren Sonkin
August 14th, 2019, 7:56 am
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: NY City 9/14 or 9/15?
Replies: 50
Views: 3044

Re: NY City 9/14 or 9/15?

J a y H a c k wrote:
August 13th, 2019, 1:47 pm
Loren Sonkin wrote:
August 13th, 2019, 9:09 am
That sounds great. The vegetarians can always get Lamb. Thank you Jay for the leg work!
Vegetarians eat lamb? Sounds good to me. I will see if I can do a private room deal at Kellari. It looks like Ammos is closed on Sunday.
by Loren Sonkin
August 13th, 2019, 9:09 am
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: NY City 9/14 or 9/15?
Replies: 50
Views: 3044

Re: NY City 9/14 or 9/15?

That sounds great. The vegetarians can always get Lamb. Thank you Jay for the leg work!
by Loren Sonkin
August 12th, 2019, 1:19 pm
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: NY City 9/14 or 9/15?
Replies: 50
Views: 3044

Re: NY City 9/14 or 9/15?

I am good either way Jay and everyone else. I can always find something to eat with side dishes, etc. Let's find something that everyone will enjoy if possible. Where ever you choose is fine with me though.
by Loren Sonkin
August 5th, 2019, 8:05 am
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: NY City 9/14 or 9/15?
Replies: 50
Views: 3044

Re: NY City 9/14 or 9/15?

Jay - Vegetarian but not vegan but I have no issues with everyone else enjoying themselves. I will find something to eat. No meat, fowl or fish, but cheese, eggs, honey, etc are fine. Thanks. As to wines, I like pretty much everything so no worries there. We can save the rocket fuel for the tailgate.
by Loren Sonkin
July 31st, 2019, 6:50 am
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: NY City 9/14 or 9/15?
Replies: 50
Views: 3044

NY City 9/14 or 9/15?

Looks like I will be in for the Jets vs. Browns Monday night game. Likely to come a night or two early. Anyone interested in getting together either of those nights for some wine?
by Loren Sonkin
July 31st, 2019, 6:48 am
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: WineFest V--Cellar Depressurization--July 18, 2020 in Toronto
Replies: 36
Views: 3098

Re: WineFest V--Cellar Depressurization--July 18, 2020 in Toronto

Looking forward to it. I don't check the Boards much anymore so please e-mail us.
by Loren Sonkin
June 25th, 2019, 2:43 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The wine you don't want
Replies: 65
Views: 5986

Re: The wine you don't want

No idea but this takes me back to Manfred giving you some sh*t when you first made the list. Thanks for the chuckle. Made we want to post for the first time in a long time.
by Loren Sonkin
May 2nd, 2019, 2:38 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: From what states in the US have you had good or at least palatable wine?
Replies: 91
Views: 2731

Re: From what states in the US have you had good or at least palatable wine?

Good wines from WA, OR, CA, AZ, VA, MI, OH, NY, MO, TX, CO, NM

Palatable from VT, PA, MT (though I think the gapes came from elsewhere), ID

Also had a great Blueberry wine from ME
by Loren Sonkin
March 26th, 2019, 10:45 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Scarecrow OWC Issues?
Replies: 109
Views: 9159

Re: Scarecrow OWC Issues?

I got an e-mail from them saying they switched to a more expensive packaging this year, but it didn't function well with the styro (or whatever that stuff is) that holds it in place during shipping. They will ship new boxes but are asking that if we want the vintage tag to transfer that ourselves. I...
by Loren Sonkin
March 22nd, 2019, 7:43 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Scarecrow OWC Issues?
Replies: 109
Views: 9159

Re: Scarecrow OWC Issues?

I had damage to one of the three wooden cases. The other two were in fine condition. Haven't checked on the Magnum yet though.
by Loren Sonkin
March 19th, 2019, 4:41 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 05 saxum rocket block tn
Replies: 2
Views: 339

Re: 05 saxum rocket block tn

Interesting. Just noticed I have a bottle and a magnum. Thanks for the note.
by Loren Sonkin
March 19th, 2019, 4:40 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2002 Sineann Pinot Noir Resonance Vineyard (USA, Oregon, Willamette Valley)
Replies: 15
Views: 677

Re: TN: 2002 Sineann Pinot Noir Resonance Vineyard (USA, Oregon, Willamette Valley)

Thanks. I have a few of the 2002 Resonance left. These age very nicely especially for those who find them too big on release.
by Loren Sonkin
January 12th, 2019, 7:02 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: PSA: nice village burg
Replies: 10
Views: 1052

Re: PSA: nice village burg

Call them and ask about shipping. They have been known to be more accommodating on the phone in the past than the web site.
by Loren Sonkin
January 8th, 2019, 2:16 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: WOTYs--2018 Edition -- TABULATIONS COMPLETE
Replies: 120
Views: 7182

Re: WOTYs--2018 Edition -- TABULATIONS COMPLETE

Thanks Mike. Always fun and your work is appreciated.
by Loren Sonkin
January 5th, 2019, 7:44 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: A few Ilans
Replies: 17
Views: 2280

Re: A few Ilans

Thanks for the note. I have enjoyed all the Ilan's I have opened. I understand the vitriol on this BB for Ray, but its good to separate that from what's in the bottle. That is just because you got yours....at least you have the option to try them Loren. Yes, I know. I said I understand the vitriol ...
by Loren Sonkin
January 5th, 2019, 5:55 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: A few Ilans
Replies: 17
Views: 2280

Re: A few Ilans

Thanks for the note. I have enjoyed all the Ilan's I have opened. I understand the vitriol on this BB for Ray, but its good to separate that from what's in the bottle.
by Loren Sonkin
January 5th, 2019, 5:53 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: WOTYs--2018 Edition -- TABULATIONS COMPLETE
Replies: 120
Views: 7182

Re: WOTYs--2018 Edition and your Discovery of the Year

Best wine experiences. These are the wines that were the best wines. 1 Maybach Family Vineyards Cabernet Sauvignon Materium 2. 2007 Saxum James Berry Vineyard 3. 2005 Shafer Cabernet Sauvignon Hillside Select 4. 1996 Bruno Giacosa Barolo Riserva Falletto di Serralunga d'Alba 5. 2005 Domaine Dujac Cl...
by Loren Sonkin
November 29th, 2018, 5:35 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: A question for those in tasting groups or do different parts of a bottle taste different?
Replies: 25
Views: 732

Re: A question for those in tasting groups or do different parts of a bottle taste different?

I can believe that a pour from a freshly opened bottle will be different than one from a bottle that has been left half empty for hours. I can believe that the last few pours from a bottle that has not been decanted could be different from the earlier pours. I can even find reasons to think that th...
by Loren Sonkin
November 29th, 2018, 5:33 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: A question for those in tasting groups or do different parts of a bottle taste different?
Replies: 25
Views: 732

Re: A question for those in tasting groups or do different parts of a bottle taste different?

Loren, Wouldn't it be more likely that what you observed is the wines evolution through time rather than the Position in the bottle. I have noticed the phenomena but always attributed it to time. For it to be position there would have to be some stratification of the wine which I have also never ob...
by Loren Sonkin
November 29th, 2018, 5:31 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: A question for those in tasting groups or do different parts of a bottle taste different?
Replies: 25
Views: 732

Re: A question for those in tasting groups or do different parts of a bottle taste different?

Howard Cooper wrote:
November 29th, 2018, 12:44 am
Are you double decanting the wines. Is this a function of sediment?
No decanting but if there is an older bottle in the group we attempt to pass and pour with as minimal disturbance as we can (i.e. keep all bottles horizontal).
by Loren Sonkin
November 29th, 2018, 5:30 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: A question for those in tasting groups or do different parts of a bottle taste different?
Replies: 25
Views: 732

Re: A question for those in tasting groups or do different parts of a bottle taste different?

One other thought is the effect of conversation on perception. Unless everyone is silent, a neighbor expressing love or disdain for a wine will have a significant impact on your perception of that wine. Nope, no table talk about the wines until the scores are turned in. We flatter ourselves to thin...
by Loren Sonkin
November 29th, 2018, 5:29 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: A question for those in tasting groups or do different parts of a bottle taste different?
Replies: 25
Views: 732

Re: A question for those in tasting groups or do different parts of a bottle taste different?

In my experience, the wines change a lot over the 1 to 2 hours of the tasting. People have very different palates for what they like in wine so the results are often skewed, but we usually have a consensus - the winner has a much lower score than the runners-ups. Why don't you post your group's tas...
by Loren Sonkin
November 28th, 2018, 8:33 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: A question for those in tasting groups or do different parts of a bottle taste different?
Replies: 25
Views: 732

A question for those in tasting groups or do different parts of a bottle taste different?

I have been in tasting groups for 20 years. Over that time, it seems that rarely is there a a run away group WOTN in a blind tasting. Its more likely that the votes are scattered. Sometimes the WOTN, actually gets no first place votes but lots of 2nds and 3rds. But, one other thing has intrigued me....
by Loren Sonkin
November 27th, 2018, 2:10 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: WOTYs--2018 Edition -- TABULATIONS COMPLETE
Replies: 120
Views: 7182

Re: WOTYs--2018 Edition and your Discovery of the Year

I always enjoy this exercise, but as always, at least a few and probably more are still to be opened in 2018 (hopefully). I will check back later on. Thanks Mike!
by Loren Sonkin
November 14th, 2018, 11:53 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: So how about if the lawyers here get serious - Amicus Brief in Byrd v. Tennessee
Replies: 82
Views: 4011

Re: So how about if the lawyers here get serious - Amicus Brief in Byrd v. Tennessee

I am interested and I am admitted to practice in the Supreme Court. Never did it, but when I clerked on the 6th Circuit, we got admitted. What's the next step?
by Loren Sonkin
November 10th, 2018, 2:49 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2007 Saxum
Replies: 13
Views: 999

Re: 2007 Saxum

Had a Magnum of James Berry a couple of months ago. It needed a bit of air but it was at a party and everyone drank it quickly. I saved a glass in a jar for the next day and it was better but was still great right on opening. If was doing it again, I would decant for five hours plus or open 48 hours...
by Loren Sonkin
October 4th, 2018, 9:18 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Scarecrow Monsieur Etain release
Replies: 49
Views: 6122

Re: Scarecrow Monsieur Etain release

In for a two pack.

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