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by Ken Zinns
November 12th, 2019, 9:51 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The big Mission/Pais/Listan Prieto thread.
Replies: 44
Views: 2528

Re: The big Mission/Pais/Listan Prieto thread.

For those who are able to read it, here’s part 2 of Elaine Brown’s report on Mission and Pais.

https://www.jancisrobinson.com/articles ... ted-part-2
by Ken Zinns
November 12th, 2019, 7:46 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The big Mission/Pais/Listan Prieto thread.
Replies: 44
Views: 2528

Re: The big Mission/Pais/Listan Prieto thread.

Looks like an interesting new article on Mission and Pais by Elaine Brown on the Jancis Robinson website. Unfortunately it’s subscriber-only so I can’t see more than the very beginning. Oh well...

https://www.jancisrobinson.com/articles ... ted-part-1
by Ken Zinns
November 11th, 2019, 2:47 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The big Mission/Pais/Listan Prieto thread.
Replies: 44
Views: 2528

Re: The big Mission/Pais/Listan Prieto thread.

Adam Frisch wrote:
November 11th, 2019, 2:19 pm
Just got confirmation from Ryan Stirm that he takes his Mission from the Wirz Vineyard. Only makes about a barrel, apparently.
Cool - good info! I keep meaning to go visit Ryan but haven’t managed to do it yet.
by Ken Zinns
November 11th, 2019, 1:56 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The big Mission/Pais/Listan Prieto thread.
Replies: 44
Views: 2528

Re: The big Mission/Pais/Listan Prieto thread.

laqua doesn't think they are that old based on the trunk support trellis - he thinks they're most likely from the 1970's. I don't know who's right, but if they are from the 1970's, they are by far the biggest 40-50 year old vines I've ever seen. The 118 year old Flame Tokays I harvest, are about ha...
by Ken Zinns
November 11th, 2019, 1:07 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Saving Old Vineyards - Economics vs Heritage
Replies: 68
Views: 4241

Re: Saving Old Vineyards - Economics vs Heritage

I'm sure there are plenty more. I think there might be some in Sonoma and I think Bedrock has some in the vineyard for their Heritage blend. I know for sure there is a little around Rancho Cucamonga as I saw Scholium take some "Rosa de Peru" from undisclosed location there. Ryan Stirm gets some fro...
by Ken Zinns
November 11th, 2019, 12:57 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The big Mission/Pais/Listan Prieto thread.
Replies: 44
Views: 2528

Re: The big Mission/Pais/Listan Prieto thread.

As far as the age of the vines at Somers Vineyard in Lodi, we were told they were planted in "the '70s" though it was never really clear what century! The implication was 1970s though, but I can't think of why anyone would have planted a good-sized vineyard of only Mission vines in the 1970s so tha...
by Ken Zinns
November 11th, 2019, 8:17 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The big Mission/Pais/Listan Prieto thread.
Replies: 44
Views: 2528

Re: The big Mission/Pais/Listan Prieto thread.

Adam posted this paragraph in another thread on the board, and I wanted to add some comments. The Mission [at Somers Vineyard in Lodi] we don't know for sure how old they are, but they're at the very least 50 years old, but could be 120 years old (Ken Zinns think they might be). Very vigorous produc...
by Ken Zinns
November 11th, 2019, 8:03 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Saving Old Vineyards - Economics vs Heritage
Replies: 68
Views: 4241

Re: Saving Old Vineyards - Economics vs Heritage

Adam, I'd like to quote your paragraph on Mission on the Mission/Pais thread and expand on it regarding where there are Mission plantings in California - there are more than five for sure, perhaps way more. Most are old but I believe there are at least a couple of new ones that have been planted or...
by Ken Zinns
November 11th, 2019, 7:08 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Saving Old Vineyards - Economics vs Heritage
Replies: 68
Views: 4241

Re: Saving Old Vineyards - Economics vs Heritage

2. The Missions we don't know for sure how old they are, but they're at the very least 50 years old, but could be 120 years old (Ken Zinns think they might be). Very vigorous producers still. As for Mission, the attrition has been all-encompassing. Today there are only about 4 places that still gro...
by Ken Zinns
November 11th, 2019, 7:01 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Book review: The City of Vines - Los Angeles the birthplace of wine in CA.
Replies: 1
Views: 196

Re: Book review: The City of Vines - Los Angeles the birthplace of wine in CA.

Thanks for the review, Adam. I've seen this book around in a couple of local East Bay bookstores and they're selling it very cheap - possibly the book has not sold very well and these are remainders. I flipped through it and on first glance it didn't look as interesting as I'd hoped so I didn't buy ...
by Ken Zinns
November 6th, 2019, 5:24 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: PSA: Harrington Sale (Open House this Sunday 1-4 PM)
Replies: 8
Views: 1115

Re: PSA: Harrington Sale

Thanks for the mention of the Harrington sale and open house, Sean. As I noted on another discussion here, the Sunday 11/17 Harrington open house is the same afternoon as the Mansfield-Dunne / August West / Sandler open house - it's only a 5-6 minute drive between the two, so if you'll be in the San...
by Ken Zinns
November 6th, 2019, 5:19 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Mansfield-Dunne Wines
Replies: 4
Views: 298

Re: Mansfield-Dunne Wines

I'm not aware of Andrew being involved. They bought some of his equipment, and he's a friend. It's possible. Ed Kurtzman is the winemaker. John Peterson is the owner of the label and the vineyards. The wines are all estate. John and Ed are two of the three partners in August West (with Howard Graha...
by Ken Zinns
November 3rd, 2019, 5:52 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 1975 Harbor Winery Zinfandel, Deaver Vineyard (Paging Tom Hill and Ken Zinns)
Replies: 9
Views: 434

Re: TN: 1975 Harbor Creek Winery Zinfandel, Deaver Vineyard (Paging Tom Hill and Ken Zinns)

Glad to hear that your bottle showed as well as the one that Matt Wood generously shared with a few of us several months ago. I’ve never tried this wine before so I will yield to Tom’s impressions of the wine on release.
by Ken Zinns
October 27th, 2019, 2:06 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Where are the Most off the beaten path and interesting vineyards
Replies: 42
Views: 2133

Re: Where are the Most off the beaten path and interesting vineyards

Alder Springs Vineyard in remote far northwest Mendocino County would have to qualify. Halcon came to mind for me as well.
by Ken Zinns
October 12th, 2019, 5:46 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Idlewild Sunday School Oct. 6, Le Marche: Beauty Between the Mountains and the Sea
Replies: 4
Views: 260

Re: Idlewild Sunday School Oct. 6, Le Marche: Beauty Between the Mountains and the Sea

I'm also sorry to hear about the Unti Lacrima - they were doing a nice job with it.
by Ken Zinns
October 10th, 2019, 7:48 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The big Mission/Pais/Listan Prieto thread.
Replies: 44
Views: 2528

Re: The big Mission/Pais/Listan Prieto thread.

That's the thing. Because it's hard to extract deep color from Mission, I think subconsciously winemakers have vinified it in a "light" style, i.e., early pick, not long on skins, very little oak or aging. But it's not a light grape - it has a lot of tannins and backbone, pepper notes etc. They're ...
by Ken Zinns
October 9th, 2019, 4:50 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Hommage to Shake Ridge Ranch
Replies: 8
Views: 533

Re: Hommage to Shake Ridge Ranch

That's a great article, Mike - thanks for the link.

Of course I'm not the talented writer that Mike Dunne is, but I did do a write-up on a visit with Ann at Shake Ridge back in late 2013 for Grape-Nutz.com if anyone is interested in looking at that.
Shake Ridge Ranch / Yorba Wines
by Ken Zinns
October 8th, 2019, 11:09 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Contra Costa County Wine Heritage
Replies: 281
Views: 16067

Re: Contra Costa County Wine Heritage

Drew, your mention of Verdelho rang a bell and I remembered a couple of wines from a brand-new producer that each have Contra Costa County fruit. The producer is Zumo - I tasted their two debut wines at this year's Brumaire tasting in Oakland. Their 2018 "Phew" is Verdelho from a vineyard in the Kni...
by Ken Zinns
October 5th, 2019, 8:43 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Mountain Lions
Replies: 34
Views: 2540

Re: Mountain Lions

For those mountain lion alarmists here, a few things to consider. There are typically 30-40 fatal attacks by domestic dogs in the US each year, and over 5,000 people require hospitalization for dog bites annually. About 50 people are killed by lightning each year in the US. And what about mountain l...
by Ken Zinns
October 2nd, 2019, 1:15 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Mountain Lions
Replies: 34
Views: 2540

Re: Mountain Lions

I have encountered two mountain lions near my Theopolis Vineyard on hwy 128 on the Sonoma/ Mendocino border.They are stunning magnificent creatures. They appear healthy and relaxed while lying in the sun. Should I take this as a positive sign for the upcoming Harvest? Sounds like a good sign to me!...
by Ken Zinns
October 2nd, 2019, 1:10 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Some of California's most famous wines came from a science experiment.
Replies: 28
Views: 1127

Re: Some of California's most famous wines came from a science experiment.

The Zinfandel for this project on Catalina did come from cuttings obtained from old vines on Santa Cruz Island. Good article about the Rusack project here: https://www.independent.com/2014/01/02/californias-island-winery-reborn/ ...but the self-perpetuating hatred of Mission continues unabated. Fro...
by Ken Zinns
October 1st, 2019, 9:41 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Some of California's most famous wines came from a science experiment.
Replies: 28
Views: 1127

Re: Some of California's most famous wines came from a science experiment.

2) I have a memory [in the last few years] of reading about someone who was trying to grow grapes again out on Santa Cruz Island - I have a strong feeling that there was a thread about it here at Wine Berserkers - but my Google-Fu doesn't seem to be up to the task of finding that old thread. Rusack...
by Ken Zinns
September 25th, 2019, 7:16 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The big Mission/Pais/Listan Prieto thread.
Replies: 44
Views: 2528

Re: The big Mission/Pais/Listan Prieto thread.

Adam Frisch wrote:
September 25th, 2019, 6:01 pm
Amador County, which probably means Deaver Ranch, right Ken? Old vines. Great little wine.
Yes, Raj told me that the fruit was from Deaver Ranch when I tasted this wine at Brumaire in Oakland earlier this year.
by Ken Zinns
September 25th, 2019, 6:26 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Ridge Grenache Blanc...Who Knew??
Replies: 25
Views: 1473

Re: Ridge Grenache Blanc...Who Knew??

Had a Ridge Rose for the first time recently. I only found out they made one this past January. They make 2 different roses it turns out, I immensely enjoyed the Lytton Estate version that I had a barrel sample of and bought a few bottles when released (the bottled version has not impressed nearly ...
by Ken Zinns
September 23rd, 2019, 2:27 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: A "natural" White & a VinoRosso..(short/boring)
Replies: 2
Views: 269

Re: TN: A "natural" White & a VinoRosso..(short/boring)

Brachetto: A grape I absolutely love because of its floral/strawberry aromatics. It has strong aromatics that remind of Nebbiolo. Scarpa is one of the best producers of dry Brachetto. In fact, it was a Scarpa that Darrell sold me back in the '70's that made me fall in love w/ this grape. In view of...
by Ken Zinns
September 23rd, 2019, 6:52 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Contra Costa County Wine Heritage
Replies: 281
Views: 16067

Re: Contra Costa County Wine Heritage

Some photos of a pick I did in Oakley today. 120 year old vines in the sand. Mostly Carignan, some Mataro, some Zin. Wonderful looking fruit. 23 brix after soaking all day, perfect for me, it made me so happy. Thanks to Drew for keeping the CC thread alive. On a less happy note it seems like more o...
by Ken Zinns
September 20th, 2019, 7:09 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Sad News @ Harrington Wnry
Replies: 32
Views: 2871

Re: Sad News @ Harrington Wnry

Adam Frisch wrote:
September 20th, 2019, 6:36 pm
Ken, I've reached my "monthly limit of free articles". Hmm, strange, because I don't recall going to SF Chronicle much.. If you could find a way to link it as pdf, that would be great!
Don't think I can link a pdf here, but I'll send you a pdf via email.
by Ken Zinns
September 20th, 2019, 10:57 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Sad News @ Harrington Wnry
Replies: 32
Views: 2871

Re: Sad News @ Harrington Wnry

Behind a paywall. Someone else let me know they were not able to access the article either. Don't know how the SF Chronicle website paywall works but I've had no problem viewing the article and I don't pay for a subscription - same is true for a number of other people I sent the link to. Not sure i...
by Ken Zinns
September 19th, 2019, 6:33 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Sad News @ Harrington Wnry
Replies: 32
Views: 2871

Re: Actually....

Looks like Tom Hill scooped Esther Mobley of the San Francisco Chronicle on this story - this just came out on their website today: Harrington Wines, one of SF’s last great urban wineries, to close at the end of the year Just confirmed the final open house dates at the winery - Sunday November 17th...
by Ken Zinns
September 19th, 2019, 2:45 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Sad News @ Harrington Wnry
Replies: 32
Views: 2871

Re: Sad News @ Harrington Wnry

Looks like Tom Hill scooped Esther Mobley of the San Francisco Chronicle on this story - this just came out on their website today: Harrington Wines, one of SF’s last great urban wineries, to close at the end of the year Just confirmed the final open house dates at the winery - Sunday November 17th ...
by Ken Zinns
September 18th, 2019, 2:40 pm
Forum: Cellar Rats (ITB)
Topic: Pet-Nat
Replies: 4
Views: 681

Re: Pet-Nat

Emilio Castelli wrote:
September 18th, 2019, 12:45 pm
Anyone have any experience with pet-nat?
Thanks
E
Emilio, I just sent you a private message about this - hope the info I sent is helpful. Cheers! [cheers.gif]
by Ken Zinns
September 18th, 2019, 12:06 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: Dinner @ BluePlate w/ BayArea Friends..(short/boring)
Replies: 8
Views: 933

Re: TN: Dinner @ BluePlate w/ BayArea Friends..(short/boring)

Thanks for including Briceland the mix. I always appreciate your view of the wines, TomHill. Anyone else have any comments on the Arneis? While I didn't take notes for our wines with dinner, I did enjoy your Arneis, Andrew. I'd tasted it earlier in the year and thought the floral component came out...
by Ken Zinns
September 18th, 2019, 7:56 am
Forum: Cellar Rats (ITB)
Topic: 2019 West Coast Weather Thread
Replies: 520
Views: 29293

Re: 2019 West Coast Weather Thread

we actually picked the Tempranillo, and about half the Grenache yesterday before the rain, Ken. Hoping to see the rest in the next 10-15 days, but feel, since this is only the fourth harvest from Shake Ridge, that I'm now in somewhat uncharted territory, since this seems to be the weirdest vintage ...
by Ken Zinns
September 18th, 2019, 6:25 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: Idlewild SundaySchool: Sudtirol...(short/boring)
Replies: 10
Views: 602

Re: TN: Idlewild SundaySchool: Sudtirol...(short/boring)

The Schiava was particularly good. This is a variety also called Vernatsch and Trollinger in the Baden region of Germany. There are actually three bio-types of Schiava: SchiavaGrigia/SchiavaGentile/ and SchiavaGrossa. The wines are usually just labeled Schiava and this is the first time I've seen o...
by Ken Zinns
September 17th, 2019, 9:04 pm
Forum: Cellar Rats (ITB)
Topic: 2019 West Coast Weather Thread
Replies: 520
Views: 29293

Re: 2019 West Coast Weather Thread

Steve Edmunds wrote:
September 17th, 2019, 2:00 pm
7/8 of an inch yesterday morning at Shake Ridge! It poured for about 45 minutes to an hour. Lots of shaking of vines to dry things out (they don't call it Shake Ridge for nothing, I guess. :-D )
How far off is your fruit at Shake Ridge, Steve?
by Ken Zinns
September 17th, 2019, 8:42 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Sad News @ Harrington Wnry
Replies: 32
Views: 2871

Re: Sad News @ Harrington Wnry

I’d like to say that it’s been a great experience working with Bryan Harrington all these years. I’ve had the opportunity to work with over 50 grape varieties and to help make wines using a number of techniques - skin-fermented whites, partial-carbonic reds, foot-stomping, fermenting in an amphora a...
by Ken Zinns
September 17th, 2019, 12:52 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: Idlewild SundaySchool: Sudtirol...(short/boring)
Replies: 10
Views: 602

Re: TN: Idlewild SundaySchool: Sudtirol...(short/boring)

The Schiava was particularly good. This is a variety also called Vernatsch and Trollinger in the Baden region of Germany. There are actually three bio-types of Schiava: SchiavaGrigia/SchiavaGentile/ and SchiavaGrossa. The wines are usually just labeled Schiava and this is the first time I've seen o...
by Ken Zinns
September 17th, 2019, 12:32 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Sad News @ Harrington Wnry
Replies: 32
Views: 2871

Re: Sad News @ Harrington Wnry

Thanks for your post, Tom. Just want to clarify one thing - the Harrington Wines website is still very much online, and lots of the most recent wines are available for purchase there. There are tentative dates for the last two open house events but I don't know whether they've been finalized yet. Pr...
by Ken Zinns
September 16th, 2019, 3:54 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: Some Old Amador Zins & Stickies w/ the Sobons..(long/boring)
Replies: 3
Views: 336

Re: TN: Some Old Amador Zins & Stickies w/ the Sobons..(long/boring)

Great notes, Tom - thanks for sharing. The Harbor Winery 1975 Deaver Vineyard Zin that fellow Berserker Matt Wood was generous enough to share with a few of us last month would have fit in perfectly with the group of wines you had with the Sobons and friends.
by Ken Zinns
September 15th, 2019, 4:50 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: Dinner @ BluePlate w/ BayArea Friends..(short/boring)
Replies: 8
Views: 933

Re: TN: Dinner @ BluePlate w/ BayArea Friends..(short/boring)

That was a fun dinner, and always good to see you, Tom! Thanks for writing up the notes, and here are a few photos. That's Bryan Harrington, Tom Hill, Eric Lundblad, Alan Rath, and Tom Leaf at the table from left to right. tom hill dinner 1.jpg tom hill dinner 2.jpg tom hill dinner 4.jpg tom hill di...
by Ken Zinns
September 15th, 2019, 4:32 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The big Mission/Pais/Listan Prieto thread.
Replies: 44
Views: 2528

Re: The big Mission/Pais/Listan Prieto thread.

Stopped in this afternoon at the Oakland Yard wine shop to taste a flight of wines from Louis-Antoine Luyt - a native of France who has become a noted producer in Chile. Although he makes a number of wines, some of his best-known have been made from the País grape - a variety also known as Mission i...
by Ken Zinns
September 13th, 2019, 7:16 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: Four @ Darrell's...(short/boring)
Replies: 7
Views: 494

Re: TN: Four @ Darrell's...(short/boring)

Great notes, Tom. Those two Harbor wines sound like they were really something.
by Ken Zinns
September 12th, 2019, 11:26 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The big Mission/Pais/Listan Prieto thread.
Replies: 44
Views: 2528

Re: The big Mission/Pais/Listan Prieto thread.

Just had Las Mercedes 2017 Pais Maule Valley Here is a picture of the harvest https://bit.ly/2lKNn0v Also there was a session at Texsom that showed 2107 Garage Secano Interior Portezuelo Maule Valley 2017 Vina Gonzalez Bastias Maule Valley 2017 Rogue Vine Grand Itata Tinro Itata Valley "Las Mercede...
by Ken Zinns
September 12th, 2019, 6:27 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: Andis Schioppettino '17...(short/boring)
Replies: 2
Views: 216

Re: TN: Andis Schioppettino '17...(short/boring)

Good to hear that this bottling turned out so well. I tasted a barrel sample at Andis last November, not long before it was to be bottled, and thought it was good but still really too young and not quite fully integrated at that point. Sounds like it just needed a little more time to come together i...
by Ken Zinns
September 9th, 2019, 8:49 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Mama Restaurant In Oakland
Replies: 2
Views: 465

Re: Mama Restaurant In Oakland

Good to hear that you’re ok after your ER visit! (Saw the details on Facebook). Haven’t been to Mama yet but I’m sure I’ll go soon since it’s right in my neighborhood. Really like that Kabaj Rebula.
by Ken Zinns
September 4th, 2019, 7:28 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Harvest 2019: Black Widows
Replies: 12
Views: 1236

Re: Harvest 2019: Black Widows

It’s always a positive when bins of fruit that come into the winery have spiders and earwigs in them. A good sign that the grower was not spraying insecticide on the vines. We’ve gotten 2-3 praying mantises in recent years too - Wes takes care of them and releases them in a good spot.

mantis.jpg
by Ken Zinns
September 4th, 2019, 10:17 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Harvest 2019: Black Widows
Replies: 12
Views: 1236

Re: Harvest 2019: Black Widows

Have had some residing in the winery for a number of years - we don’t bother them and they don’t bother us.
by Ken Zinns
September 3rd, 2019, 7:19 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: More cab than zin in California?
Replies: 24
Views: 1291

Re: More cab than zin in California?

Without realizing this was a red only chart I'm thinking where is the Chardonnay? That's got to be #1 in CA. Good to see merlot right behind cab and zin. Top five white and red varieties for tonnage crushed, from the 2018 California Grape Crush Report. White varieties Chardonnay: 712K tons French C...
by Ken Zinns
September 3rd, 2019, 6:49 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: More cab than zin in California?
Replies: 24
Views: 1291

Re: More cab than zin in California?

Without realizing this was a red only chart I'm thinking where is the Chardonnay? That's got to be #1 in CA. Good to see merlot right behind cab and zin. Top five white and red varieties for tonnage crushed, from the 2018 California Grape Crush Report. White varieties Chardonnay: 712K tons French C...
by Ken Zinns
September 2nd, 2019, 12:40 pm
Forum: Cellar Rats (ITB)
Topic: 2019 West Coast Weather Thread
Replies: 520
Views: 29293

Re: 2019 West Coast Weather Thread

Night time lows in the Apple Hill area in Placerville, and down in the hills east of Sutter Creek (the two areas where my grapes are grown) are 4-6 degrees above what they've usually been. It's the most striking feature of this season, for me. The season itself was probably 10 to 14 days behind at ...

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