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by R@y.Tupp@+sch
April 22nd, 2019, 12:18 pm
Forum: Travel Forum
Topic: is anyone open for tour & tasting on Saturday in Champagne?
Replies: 7
Views: 198

Re: is anyone open for tour & tasting on Saturday in Champagne?

I would recommend skipping Taittinger - not a good tour and you would be much better offer spending the same time and money with a nice glass of Champagne on a patio in the center of the city. However, Ruinart is open on Saturday and is a worthwhile experience - better wines poured for the tasting,...
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
April 19th, 2019, 12:46 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Dig through this wine list challenge.
Replies: 41
Views: 1506

Re: Dig through this wine list challenge.

Ruinart BdB is $135 which is a very fair restaurant price.

The best "bargain" is the '93 Rousseau Chambertin which at $3318 is well below current auction prices.
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
April 13th, 2019, 12:27 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What's your average spend per Champagne bottle in your collection?
Replies: 71
Views: 2249

Re: What's your average spend per Champagne bottle in your collection?

I get answering anonymous polls like this, but I'm always surprised by the specificity in which people post about how many bottles they own and how much they cost.
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
April 12th, 2019, 10:02 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Which Champagne are you drinking?
Replies: 556
Views: 33048

Re: Which Champagne are you drinking?

'66 Dom Ruinart Baron Philippe de Rothschild labeling - DOA Too bad about that. I opened up the '64 from 750 last summer and it was an absolute knockout wine. Very little, if any, bubbles left but my god was that a complex and perfectly mature wine. Was that your last bottle? Yes, proper bottles of...
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
April 7th, 2019, 4:27 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Which Champagne are you drinking?
Replies: 556
Views: 33048

Re: Which Champagne are you drinking?

'96 Dom Perignon '02 Dom Perignon '08 Dom Perignon Had the above side by side. Felt the '02 was not quite as good as the other two. As I, and others, have previously stated, the '08 is already drinking great. All three were very similar and didn't seem as if they were twelve years apart. Staggering...
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
April 3rd, 2019, 5:08 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Is Salon worth the entry cost ?
Replies: 58
Views: 3113

Re: Is Salon worth the entry cost ?

Jay Miller wrote:
April 3rd, 2019, 5:02 pm
The 1996 is fantastic and may some day surpass the 95 but imo the 95 is still better, at least as of last year.
Agreed and for me as of last month.

I will say that the gap has closed between the two, but for me, I'm don't think the '96 will ever surpass the '95.
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
April 3rd, 2019, 12:53 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wine as a Veblen Good?
Replies: 74
Views: 1743

Re: Wine as a Veblen Good?

Roy, do you think Champagne would be better if those 3000 acres owned by Moet were owned instead by 60 or so récoltant manipulant growers. Do you think the growers would, on average, pay more attention to the vineyards and be better stewards of their land? I just don't think LVHM cares about anythi...
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
April 3rd, 2019, 11:52 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wine as a Veblen Good?
Replies: 74
Views: 1743

Re: Wine as a Veblen Good?

Where I was going is that many of the growers are fast improving and starting to lay down some of their prestige cuvees sur lie for the same amount of time as the huge houses. I think anything owned by LVMH is a perfect example for this thread. I'm sure LVMH is in it for the love of Champagne, (and...
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
April 3rd, 2019, 11:31 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wine as a Veblen Good?
Replies: 74
Views: 1743

Re: Wine as a Veblen Good?

I think Champagne is the best Veblen Good. Everybody knows that when you serve Champagne you're cookin' with gas. A lot of these expensive brands like Dom Perignon are made in huge quantities. I saw Gatinois for sale on line for around $45. This is made from grand cru grapes in Ay. Gatinois sells m...
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
April 3rd, 2019, 11:14 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wine as a Veblen Good?
Replies: 74
Views: 1743

Re: Wine as a Veblen Good?

Josh, To identify a merkin you have to get really close. Re Constellation: let's not forget they also own Ravenswood, Simi and Clos du Bois. First, anybody who makes zinfandel has a Veblen Bad on their hands. Second, both Simi and CDB have made some great wines. I took a 94 CDB Cabernet franc to a ...
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
April 3rd, 2019, 10:57 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wine as a Veblen Good?
Replies: 74
Views: 1743

Re: Wine as a Veblen Good?

I think Champagne is the best Veblen Good. Everybody knows that when you serve Champagne you're cookin' with gas. A lot of these expensive brands like Dom Perignon are made in huge quantities. I saw Gatinois for sale on line for around $45. This is made from grand cru grapes in Ay. Gatinois sells m...
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
April 3rd, 2019, 10:51 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Is Salon worth the entry cost ?
Replies: 58
Views: 3113

Re: Is Salon worth the entry cost ?

Also, if you can source it, try a 1999 Tatty Comtes instead of the 2006, and you'll understand why folks love the fine mousse, lovely creamy character of a good Comtes. And that's not a superior vintage, but it is a very good Comtes. Champagne of the vintage. Cristal second, Clos des Goisses third....
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
April 3rd, 2019, 10:19 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wine as a Veblen Good?
Replies: 74
Views: 1743

Re: Wine as a Veblen Good?

If there were no Veblen wines, would we have ever had the bozos in the "heavy lumber" wine tasting crowd? It takes a Veblen good to generate something like a self-referential frat of winos...Hollywood Jef, Big Boy, King Angry, The Punisher, The Bone Collector, The Pope King Angry, The Hillbilly, Th...
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
April 3rd, 2019, 10:14 am
Forum: Commerce Corner - Wine Classifieds
Topic: FS: A little Dom Perignon (spanning 4 decades)
Replies: 8
Views: 946

Re: FS: A little Dom Perignon (spanning 4 decades)

Is the '69 an original disgorgement?
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
April 3rd, 2019, 10:08 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Is Salon worth the entry cost ?
Replies: 58
Views: 3113

Re: Is Salon worth the entry cost ?

Alan,

If you find Krug creamy and DP not creamy, we have two different definitions for the word as it pertains to Champagne.
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
April 2nd, 2019, 9:35 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Is Salon worth the entry cost ?
Replies: 58
Views: 3113

Re: Is Salon worth the entry cost ?

For me, Salon's price hikes over the past several vintages have been off-putting. And what I'm hearing the pricing will be for mags of '08 is insulting, although to be fair, I understand the quality to be superb and the quantity to be smaller than usual. The last vintage i bought was the '02 and in ...
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
March 29th, 2019, 12:15 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Has Anyone Been Drinking BerserkerDay Wines Lately?
Replies: 454
Views: 33713

Re: Has Anyone Been Drinking BerserkerDay Wines Lately?

2015 Franny Beck Willamette Valley Pinot with lunch today. Exceeded my expectations and was a qpr steal with BD pricing. Very elegant wine.
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
March 27th, 2019, 11:02 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 1999 Vilmart & Cie Champagne Coeur de Cuvée (France, Champagne)
Replies: 23
Views: 977

Re: TN: 1999 Vilmart & Cie Champagne Coeur de Cuvée (France, Champagne)

I'm not as high on this as most of you in this thread. I think it is good and very good for the vintage, but for me, nothing great. That said, I haven't had it in a number of years. My favorite '99's are Comtes and Cristal. And I would agree with Mike that '99 is a weak vintage, but not sure I'd agr...
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
March 25th, 2019, 1:33 pm
Forum: Epicurean Exploits
Topic: New York City Restaurants
Replies: 2002
Views: 110336

Re: New York City Restaurants

Bring your own table. Set it up out front. They will serve you. Is this real?! If so, that's a total power move. BYOT. Yes. I've never done it but I've seen it done while I was there. Group of eight brought a folding table, folding chairs, their wine, etc. I was very impressed! I'd be more impresse...
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
March 24th, 2019, 3:13 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Which Champagne are you drinking?
Replies: 556
Views: 33048

Re: Which Champagne are you drinking?

This past week - '82 Dom Perignon - has entered its plateau. Tertiary DP flavors have emerged. Should stay at its apogee for 10+ years. Staggering Plus '98 Pol Roger Sir Winston Churchill - lacks structure and acidity. Decent flavors but not exciting. Good with Roberta's pizza however. Very good. '0...
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
March 24th, 2019, 2:42 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Does the market value of a wine u own stop you from drinking it?
Replies: 66
Views: 2322

Re: Does the market value of a wine u own stop you from drinking it?

I thought you were generalising from your situation. Saying that , if you think in that way, there's no point cellaring ANY wine as it will ALWAYS become to expensive to drink. Now I know you weren't.... That is what I am saying. If you think too much about current market prices, you will never dri...
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
March 23rd, 2019, 11:33 am
Forum: Epicurean Exploits
Topic: New York City Restaurants
Replies: 2002
Views: 110336

Re: New York City Restaurants

Herwig Janssen wrote:
March 20th, 2019, 10:15 am
Ray , what is your favorite pizza place in Manhattan ?
Herwig,

That question came up at lunch and neither one of us had a definitive answer.
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
March 22nd, 2019, 11:06 am
Forum: Epicurean Exploits
Topic: Good Old Days At Eleven Madison Park
Replies: 18
Views: 1061

Re: Good Old Days At Eleven Madison Park

wtf, really? Absolutely true. At the time I didn't, but now I think it's pretty funny that he unknowingly brought the bottle back to my table. that is pretty funny, was the wine any good? No clue - didn't taste it. When I confronted him at the dinner he insisted that he brought the bottle of '69 Cd...
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
March 21st, 2019, 3:33 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 1969 vs. 1970
Replies: 27
Views: 969

Re: 1969 vs. 1970

'69 was both great for Champagne and Red Burgs but many are getting tired. '69 La Mouline is an all-time great but costs a fortune.
'70 is excellent for a number of Ports, and a few Right Bank Bordeaux with Trotanoy being my favorite, especially when factoring in cost vs Petrus.
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
March 21st, 2019, 1:54 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Lieu-Dits
Replies: 38
Views: 2109

Re: Lieu-Dits

c fu wrote:
March 21st, 2019, 1:30 pm
R@y.Tupp@+sch wrote:
March 21st, 2019, 1:20 pm
c fu wrote:
March 20th, 2019, 11:35 am
Roulot's clos de boucheres is sick.
Recently did a vertical of it and they were quite disappointing especially for the tariff.

Maybe a root day.
What vintages for the vert?
2010-2015
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
March 21st, 2019, 1:20 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Lieu-Dits
Replies: 38
Views: 2109

Re: Lieu-Dits

c fu wrote:
March 20th, 2019, 11:35 am
Roulot's clos de boucheres is sick.
Recently did a vertical of it and they were quite disappointing especially for the tariff.

Maybe a root day.
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
March 21st, 2019, 1:12 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2016 Roumier Musigny for only . . .
Replies: 31
Views: 2410

Re: 2016 Roumier Musigny for only . . .

Jay Miller wrote:
March 21st, 2019, 12:28 pm
what sense does that make with earlier vintages selling on winebid for prices ranging from 1-5k?
What vintage of Roumier Musigny can you currently buy for $1k?
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
March 20th, 2019, 11:35 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Choosing an expensive wine for a special occasion
Replies: 53
Views: 2018

Re: Choosing an expensive wine for a special occasion

The question was about an expensive bottle of wine. The wine eventually chosen was a 1983 Margaux. What should I have named - a wine from a new winery in Napa without any track record. Lol, I'm not trying to rile you up or start a fight. I liked the Ridge and MG Ech suggestions. They're undoubtedly...
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
March 20th, 2019, 10:17 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Birth year wine
Replies: 25
Views: 751

Re: Birth year wine

Based on what I've heard, and things could change, 2017 may not be a widely declared Champagne vintage. If it is, it may be slim pickings.
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
March 20th, 2019, 8:50 am
Forum: Epicurean Exploits
Topic: Good Old Days At Eleven Madison Park
Replies: 18
Views: 1061

Re: Good Old Days At Eleven Madison Park

Empties from all the tables were put on an unused table, so his odds were probably 7-1.
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
March 19th, 2019, 4:26 pm
Forum: Epicurean Exploits
Topic: New York City Restaurants
Replies: 2002
Views: 110336

Re: New York City Restaurants

Went with a friend to Roberta's for lunch today. Shared three pizzas with a bottle of '98 Pol Roger SWC and a bottle of '11 Poggio di Sotto Rosso di Montalcino. Both good matches. Pizzas were very, very good, but in my opinion, and my friend's, short of great.
Fun lunch.
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
March 19th, 2019, 2:42 pm
Forum: Epicurean Exploits
Topic: Good Old Days At Eleven Madison Park
Replies: 18
Views: 1061

Re: Good Old Days At Eleven Madison Park

More enjoyable in those days! It was. Except when an unnamed someone, took my empty bottle of '69 Red Burg and refilled it half way, with who knows what, and "generously" gave it to the table I was sitting at. wtf, really? Absolutely true. At the time I didn't, but now I think it's pretty funny tha...
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
March 19th, 2019, 2:07 pm
Forum: Epicurean Exploits
Topic: Good Old Days At Eleven Madison Park
Replies: 18
Views: 1061

Re: Good Old Days At Eleven Madison Park

WvanGorp wrote:
March 19th, 2019, 2:02 pm
More enjoyable in those days!
It was.
Except when an unnamed someone, took my empty bottle of '69 Red Burg and refilled it half way, with who knows what, and "generously" gave it to the table I was sitting at.
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
March 19th, 2019, 2:02 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Double lung transplant fundraiser for my friend! Any help is appreciated!!
Replies: 29
Views: 1486

Re: Double lung transplant fundraiser for my friend! Any help is appreciated!!

Not wines in my usual wheelhouse but certainly a cause which is worth the cost of buying a couple of tickets.

Heading to PayPal now.

Hope you raise many thousands.
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
March 18th, 2019, 1:16 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2008 Bollinger Grande Annee
Replies: 44
Views: 2394

Re: 2008 Bollinger Grande Annee

I've got 1 bottle each of the 2002 Bollinger GA and RD that I was planning to open together for a friend. Do I need to do that this year? I don't see any upside to not opening them sooner rather than later. Ray and others - do your feelings about the age-ability train wreck apply equally to the ros...
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
March 15th, 2019, 11:21 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What wine did you not buy today?
Replies: 70
Views: 2981

Re: What wine did you not buy today?

Only difficult pass for me this week were pre-arrival 2008 DP mags. It just irks me that the mags are 3 1/2 x's the price of what I paid for the 750's.
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
March 14th, 2019, 12:54 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Sotheby's 'Transcendent' Auction
Replies: 34
Views: 2098

Re: Sotheby's 'Transcendent' Auction

To me, these collectors are what encapsulates everything that is wrong with this hobby. Why billionaires chase million $+ supercars, yachts, Gulfstreams? Those objects are made for people with excessive amounts of money and too much ego. These wines are made to be enjoyed at some point in their lif...
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
March 14th, 2019, 11:42 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Dom Perignon 2008 Legacy vs. Regular Labels
Replies: 6
Views: 792

Re: Dom Perignon 2008 Legacy vs. Regular Labels

Hard to disgorge several million bottles in the same day or week.
They are disgorged at around the same time and given the same dosage.
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
March 14th, 2019, 11:15 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2008 Bollinger Grande Annee
Replies: 44
Views: 2394

Re: 2008 Bollinger Grande Annee

David Glasser wrote:
March 14th, 2019, 9:36 am
I've got 1 bottle each of the 2002 Bollinger GA and RD that I was planning to open together for a friend. Do I need to do that this year?
I don't see any upside to not opening them sooner rather than later.
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
March 14th, 2019, 10:18 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2008 Champagne: recommendations to go the distance
Replies: 19
Views: 1358

Re: 2008 Champagne: recommendations to go the distance

scott c wrote:
March 14th, 2019, 9:43 am
julianseersmartin wrote:
March 14th, 2019, 9:35 am
Only remaining big gun to come out is Comtes 2008.
Salon isn't out yet. And will only be in magnum, so it would be a perfect one to lay down for anniversaries decades away...
I guess Krug, Krug CdM and d'Ambonnay are little guns too. :-)
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
March 14th, 2019, 8:53 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2008 Bollinger Grande Annee
Replies: 44
Views: 2394

Re: 2008 Bollinger Grande Annee

I've posted here for at least five or six years that Bollinger has become a train wreck with regard to aging. They produced such great and age worthy wines in the '60's and '70's. I bought small quantities of '02 and '04 Bollinger and only in magnum. Have just a couple of '02's left and I will open...
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
March 13th, 2019, 11:06 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: PSA: 2008 Dom Perignon 152
Replies: 21
Views: 1100

Re: PSA: 2008 Dom Perignon 152

ybarselah wrote:
March 13th, 2019, 11:04 am

but the mag was sabered and the dp was opened in the normal fashion.
Well then, apples and oranges.
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
March 13th, 2019, 10:57 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2008 Bollinger Grande Annee
Replies: 44
Views: 2394

Re: 2008 Bollinger Grande Annee

I've posted here for at least five or six years that Bollinger has become a train wreck with regard to aging. They produced such great and age worthy wines in the '60's and '70's. I bought small quantities of '02 and '04 Bollinger and only in magnum. Have just a couple of '02's left and I will open ...
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
March 13th, 2019, 10:47 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: PSA: 2008 Dom Perignon 152
Replies: 21
Views: 1100

Re: PSA: 2008 Dom Perignon 152

ybarselah wrote:
March 13th, 2019, 10:33 am
2009 this weekend was super fire
The few times I've had it I wasn't impressed, but the last time was at least a year ago.
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
March 13th, 2019, 10:35 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: PSA: 2008 Dom Perignon 152
Replies: 21
Views: 1100

Re: PSA: 2008 Dom Perignon 152

JC J o u a s wrote:
March 13th, 2019, 10:32 am
Unless something changed since the opening post was made, the 2009 DP appears to be $152.98 and the 2008 DP is $159.98

https://www.centralwinemerchants.com/we ... w=Perignon
They were both listed at $152.98 an hour or so ago.
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
March 13th, 2019, 10:28 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Greatest Expressions of Sangiovese?
Replies: 68
Views: 3398

Re: Greatest Expressions of Sangiovese?

I'm hardly a Sangiovese expert and probably only drink 20 or so bottles per year but my favorites and therefore the ones I own are Poggio di Sotto, Stella di Campalto and Valdicava Madonna del Piano. The 2001 vintage of the latter is my favorite Sangiovese based wine. I've had a lot of exposure to S...
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
March 13th, 2019, 9:46 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: PSA: 2008 Dom Perignon 152
Replies: 21
Views: 1100

Re: PSA: 2008 Dom Perignon 152

That's disappointing to hear, but hasn't the '08 only been released since June? I wouldn't think storage would effect it too much, but I could be wrong. Assuming it isn't the Legacy label, it was released in the past six weeks or so. So no oppressive heat but probably at 70 degrees since they recei...
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
March 13th, 2019, 9:07 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: PSA: 2008 Dom Perignon 152
Replies: 21
Views: 1100

Re: PSA: 2008 Dom Perignon 152

Unless things have changed, they have no temperature control in their store.
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
March 12th, 2019, 12:26 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: La Paulee: did anybody go to the gala dinner?
Replies: 65
Views: 3244

Re: La Paulee: did anybody go to the gala dinner?

Markus S wrote:
March 12th, 2019, 5:22 am
R@y.Tupp@+sch wrote:
March 11th, 2019, 3:39 pm
Much prefer the "alt" dinners.
And how do you get invited to these?

My dinner was with good friends whom I regularly drink and dine.
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
March 12th, 2019, 10:27 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: La Paulee: did anybody go to the gala dinner?
Replies: 65
Views: 3244

Re: La Paulee: did anybody go to the gala dinner?

Mark, I participated at bacchanal events too and what I experienced was not always something in line with adoring fine wine. To say the least. I reacted because Ray complained about an After Show party when people were obviously drunk but reported from an event he thought was superb when 2 bottles ...

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