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- January 23rd, 2021, 10:12 am
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: Official Dryuary (Dry January) 2021 Thread
- Replies: 177
- Views: 8056
Re: Official Dryuary (Dry January) 2021 Thread
Funny you should post that. Was not at that particular shoW, but Grace Potter is a regular at Mountain Jam and always puts on a hell of a performance. Seen her many times there.
- January 20th, 2021, 2:32 pm
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: Which Champagne are you drinking?
- Replies: 1744
- Views: 119052
Re: Which Champagne are you drinking?
2008 Dom Perignon - Opened to celebrate today’s inauguration. Lovely nose of lemon oil, steely minerals and just a hint of biscuit. Still very tightly coiled and not giving its full effect yet. The first thing you notice is how deep and expansive the palate is - really big and expressive. Sharp acid...
- January 20th, 2021, 11:05 am
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: Official Dryuary (Dry January) 2021 Thread
- Replies: 177
- Views: 8056
Re: Official Dryuary (Dry January) 2021 Thread
Dom on ice for us, sorry Patrick but this is too important a day not to celebrate. Will get back on the wagon tomorrow...
- January 19th, 2021, 12:41 pm
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: POLL: Top vintage for red Bordeaux 1980 - 1999
- Replies: 41
- Views: 1765
Re: POLL: Top vintage for red Bordeaux 1980 - 1999
If you rank based on wines when they were drinking at their peak, 1982 had so many successful wines it is hard not to vote for it. Yes, some of the wines are on a downward slope now, but that shouldn’t be held against the vintage.
- January 18th, 2021, 5:50 am
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: Your favorite non-red with 10+ years of age
- Replies: 16
- Views: 848
Re: Your favorite non-red with 10+ years of age
Love Trebbiano with some age on it. White Burgundy would have been the answer before premox.
- January 13th, 2021, 1:08 pm
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: 2 Questions about aging rosé
- Replies: 33
- Views: 1671
Re: 2 Questions about aging rosé
To piggyback on Alexia’s comment, I have had some Bandols, particularly Terrebrune, that have aged beautifully 10 years or more and pick up a more complex, darker brooding element to them. Very different than most young roses. I love Tempier with a few years of age, but don’t think they age as well ...
- January 13th, 2021, 12:55 pm
- Forum: Epicurean Exploits - Food and Recipes
- Topic: Do you like any Girl Scout cookies? (Poll Added)
- Replies: 33
- Views: 963
Re: Do you like any Girl Scout cookies? (Poll Added)
Thin mints for me as well. All my purchases were from parents pushing them hard in the office. With Covid, wonder if sales will suffer tremendously?
- January 13th, 2021, 12:49 pm
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: Horrible news about a Berserker - Frank Drew, RIP
- Replies: 145
- Views: 9227
Re: Horrible news about a Berserker - Frank Drew, RIP
Donation in. Least we could do.
- January 10th, 2021, 12:38 pm
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: Horrible news about a Berserker - Frank Drew, RIP
- Replies: 145
- Views: 9227
Re: Horrible news about a Berserker - Frank Drew, RIP
That is horrible news. Please do let us know if there is anything we can do for his family. RIP Frank.
- January 8th, 2021, 7:25 am
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: Official Dryuary (Dry January) 2021 Thread
- Replies: 177
- Views: 8056
Re: Official Dryuary (Dry January) 2021 Thread
We have been dry so far this year as well, but are already planning on popping champagne on the 20th. It has been good to take a break, may try to do this every few months.
- January 5th, 2021, 10:23 am
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: Levy and McClellan Offer
- Replies: 45
- Views: 5082
Re: Levy and McClellan Offer
Cracks me up - I signed up for the original list, never bought a bottle due to the ridiculous price and still get email offers to this day. How much wine must they be sitting on?
- January 1st, 2021, 8:32 am
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: Week 5 Virtual Tasting Series - Bordeaux - Jud Reis - Kijabe Children’s Education Fund - DEC 23-DEC31
- Replies: 63
- Views: 2086
Re: Week 5 Virtual Tasting Series - Bordeaux - Jud Reis - Kijabe Children’s Education Fund - DEC 23-DEC31
Thanks everyone for the notes. 20 pre 2000 notes and 35 post 2000 notes equals $375. I rounded up to $400 and that is going out to Kijabe Children’s Education Fund. Happy New Year!
- December 31st, 2020, 3:01 pm
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: Week 6 Virtual Tasting Series for Charity - Sparklers - Nate M for International Justice Mission - DEC30 - JAN6
- Replies: 80
- Views: 2112
Re: Week 6 Virtual Tasting Series for Charity - Sparklers - Nate M for International Justice Mission - DEC30 - JAN6
2006 Pierre Mouncuit Blancs de Blancs Brut Millesime - from Kevin Shin’s sale. From magnum. Nice toasty bread, salty sea air and ripe apple on the nose. Good mix of sweet apple fruit, honey and salty acidity on the palate. In this format, think this is a good spot, particularly if you like your cham...
- December 30th, 2020, 6:00 pm
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: Week 5 Virtual Tasting Series - Bordeaux - Jud Reis - Kijabe Children’s Education Fund - DEC 23-DEC31
- Replies: 63
- Views: 2086
Re: Week 5 Virtual Tasting Series - Bordeaux - Jud Reis - Kijabe Children’s Education Fund - DEC 23-DEC31
2000 Cypres de Climens - From 500 ml. Lovely golden orange hue. Not quite the intensity of the first wine, but lovely nose of apricot, hazelnut and caramel. Nice sweet apricot and honey fruit with lovely viscous texture. Just missing a little bit of the acidic counter balance of the regular Climens,...
- December 29th, 2020, 8:36 am
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: Week 5 Virtual Tasting Series - Bordeaux - Jud Reis - Kijabe Children’s Education Fund - DEC 23-DEC31
- Replies: 63
- Views: 2086
Re: Week 5 Virtual Tasting Series - Bordeaux - Jud Reis - Kijabe Children’s Education Fund - DEC 23-DEC31
Still 3 days left folks! Post a note for a great cause!
- December 27th, 2020, 2:31 pm
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: Week 5 Virtual Tasting Series - Bordeaux - Jud Reis - Kijabe Children’s Education Fund - DEC 23-DEC31
- Replies: 63
- Views: 2086
Re: Week 5 Virtual Tasting Series - Bordeaux - Jud Reis - Kijabe Children’s Education Fund - DEC 23-DEC31
Some great wines being opened - interesting to see the variety. Please keep it going through Thursday! Tonight’s note: 2001 Sociando-Mallet: Popped and poured at cellar temp. Still quite dark color throughout with no signs of bricking. Very traditional Bordeaux nose - green pepper, tobacco, feral ea...
- December 26th, 2020, 6:03 pm
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: Embrace your cellar diversity
- Replies: 114
- Views: 4806
Re: Embrace your cellar diversity
Mikael - your percentages add up to more than 100% - appreciate your enthusiasm, but want to know how you get the 110% cellar?
- December 26th, 2020, 6:00 pm
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: TN: 1990 Laurel Glen Cabernet Sauvignon Sonoma Mountain
- Replies: 3
- Views: 395
Re: TN: 1990 Laurel Glen Cabernet Sauvignon Sonoma Mountain
Those old Laurel Glen cabs are amazing wines. Thanks for the note!
- December 26th, 2020, 11:46 am
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: Week 5 Virtual Tasting Series - Bordeaux - Jud Reis - Kijabe Children’s Education Fund - DEC 23-DEC31
- Replies: 63
- Views: 2086
Re: Week 5 Virtual Tasting Series - Bordeaux - Jud Reis - Kijabe Children’s Education Fund - DEC 23-DEC31
1970 Mouton Rothschild The fill was top shoulder; stood upright for a week before service, quick decant for sediment. Healthy deep garnet with some bricking. Classic mature Pauillac bouquet, with notes of dried plum, cigar box, sous bois, black truffle. Medium bodied, elegant, fully mature, silky t...
- December 25th, 2020, 1:18 pm
- Forum: Commerce Corner - Wine Classifieds
- Topic: Hand Picked Selections Consumer Offer With 10% Discount
- Replies: 26
- Views: 1833
Re: Hand Picked Selections Consumer Offer With 10% Discount
Signed up as well
- December 25th, 2020, 1:11 pm
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: Embrace your cellar diversity
- Replies: 114
- Views: 4806
Re: Embrace your cellar diversity
49% USA
29% France
12% Italy
4% Spain
1% Germany
1% Australia
Less than 1% = Lebanon, Argentina, Chile, Portugal, South Africa, Greece, Canada, Israel, UK
Italy continues to grow, Germany would grow more but my wife is not a big Riesling fan.
29% France
12% Italy
4% Spain
1% Germany
1% Australia
Less than 1% = Lebanon, Argentina, Chile, Portugal, South Africa, Greece, Canada, Israel, UK
Italy continues to grow, Germany would grow more but my wife is not a big Riesling fan.
- December 25th, 2020, 6:48 am
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: RIP Bear Dalton -
- Replies: 9
- Views: 1551
Re: RIP Bear Dalton -
Beautiful tributes to the man. Thanks for posting.
- December 24th, 2020, 5:32 pm
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: Week 5 Virtual Tasting Series - Bordeaux - Jud Reis - Kijabe Children’s Education Fund - DEC 23-DEC31
- Replies: 63
- Views: 2086
Re: Week 5 Virtual Tasting Series - Bordeaux - Jud Reis - Kijabe Children’s Education Fund - DEC 23-DEC31
After the swing and miss on the Mouton, went for a back up: 2000 Les Carmes Haut Brion - This is in a great spot. Popped and poured at cellar temp. Lovely dark burgundy color. Gravel, smoky black fruit, black pepper and just a hint of green pepper on the nose. Just perfectly balanced between primary...
- December 24th, 2020, 2:37 pm
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: Week 5 Virtual Tasting Series - Bordeaux - Jud Reis - Kijabe Children’s Education Fund - DEC 23-DEC31
- Replies: 63
- Views: 2086
Re: Week 5 Virtual Tasting Series - Bordeaux - Jud Reis - Kijabe Children’s Education Fund - DEC 23-DEC31
1971 Mouton Rothschild- Fill was not great, low shoulder, but cork came out intact. Slow oxed for a few hours and then poured without a decant. Significant bricking but still a solid dark colored core. Eucalyptus, tobacco and dark earth on the nose on a quite pleasant older nose. A little thin on th...
- December 24th, 2020, 11:56 am
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: Week 5 Virtual Tasting Series - Bordeaux - Jud Reis - Kijabe Children’s Education Fund - DEC 23-DEC31
- Replies: 63
- Views: 2086
Re: Week 5 Virtual Tasting Series - Bordeaux - Jud Reis - Kijabe Children’s Education Fund - DEC 23-DEC31
I am enjoying the excuses for lunchtime wine. 2014 Château Lanessan Lovely showing, with a smoky note riding over cassis fruit. Elegant light to mid weight frame that complements food (roast chicken) rather than dominates it. Great to have this in half bottle, but I could easily finish a 750. 331FD...
- December 23rd, 2020, 1:41 pm
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: Week 5 Virtual Tasting Series - Bordeaux - Jud Reis - Kijabe Children’s Education Fund - DEC 23-DEC31
- Replies: 63
- Views: 2086
Re: Week 5 Virtual Tasting Series - Bordeaux - Jud Reis - Kijabe Children’s Education Fund - DEC 23-DEC31
Bob - I have spent a little bit of time in Africa, both for business and as a tourist. One memorable trip included a day spent volunteering at a elementary school in Arusha, Tanzania where I experienced first hand both the challenges these kids faced and the incredible thirst for knowledge they show...
- December 22nd, 2020, 2:45 pm
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: TN: 2017 San Fereolo Dogliani Superiore
- Replies: 3
- Views: 225
TN: 2017 San Fereolo Dogliani Superiore
Interesting. I am generally not a huge dolcetto fan, but this is not a typical dolcetto. Popped and poured at cellar temp. Smoky black fruit, vanilla and dark earth on the nose. Sweet black fruit and vanilla on the attack but nice drying tannins and acid on the finish give it some good balance. Woul...
- December 22nd, 2020, 8:42 am
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: Week 5 Virtual Tasting Series - Bordeaux - Jud Reis - Kijabe Children’s Education Fund - DEC 23-DEC31
- Replies: 63
- Views: 2086
Week 5 Virtual Tasting Series - Bordeaux - Jud Reis - Kijabe Children’s Education Fund - DEC 23-DEC31
I am a proud board member of this week's charity, the Kijabe Children's Education Fund (KCEF) - kcefund.org. KCEF provides financial, technological and strategic assistance to some amazing educators who run private primary schools in the poorest neighborhoods in Nairobi, Kenya, primarily in Kibera a...
- December 18th, 2020, 3:02 pm
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: UPDATE U-TURN: Week 4 Virtual Tasting - Get your RHINE On - Brian Tuite - Redwood Empire Food Bank DEC16 - DEC23
- Replies: 167
- Views: 5876
Re: Week 4 Virtual Tasting for Charity - Get your Zinfandel On - Brian Tuite - Redwood Empire Food Bank DEC16 - DEC23
<t>Did a Scherrer Zin side by side:<br/> <br/> 2013 Scherrer Shale Terrace - Popped and poured at cellar temp. Dark earth, flinty minerals, oregano and smoky black fruit on the nose. Nice texture, sweet and savory black fruit and still some primary tannins on the finish. Cries out for some bbq brisk...
- December 17th, 2020, 2:42 pm
- Forum: Beer and Spirits
- Topic: The Bourbon Thread
- Replies: 4114
- Views: 235320
Re: The Bourbon Thread
Has anyone had the Belle Meade XO Cognac finished? I just ordered a bottle of the Cask Strength Reserve for pickup and while searching saw that the Cognac-finished is available local-ish for $70. Bit of a drive though so not as likely to make the trip without some positive feedback. Single Barrel i...
- December 17th, 2020, 2:35 pm
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: TN: 2019 Tiberio Cerasuolo d’Abruzzo
- Replies: 0
- Views: 186
TN: 2019 Tiberio Cerasuolo d’Abruzzo
Popped and poured at cellar temp. Cross between a rose and a red. Brilliant cherry red translucent color. Savory herbs, olives and black cherry notes on the nose. Nice sweet cherry fruit on the attack with good savory spicy notes on an acid filled finish. This could be a great summer wine as a full ...
- December 13th, 2020, 3:21 pm
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: Week 3 Virtual Tasting for Charity - Wines of Oregon - D@vid Bu3ker for Dakin Humane Society - DEC9-DEC16
- Replies: 268
- Views: 9495
Re: Week 3 Virtual Tasting for Charity - Wines of Oregon - D@vid Bu3ker for Dakin Humane Society - DEC9-DEC16
2015 Franny Beck Pinot Noir Johan Vineyard - Berserker day purchase. Popped and poured at cellar temp. Dark earth, Sweet Asian spices and spicy underbrush on the nose. Nice balance of sweet dusty black cherry fruit and acidity with tannic structure that is resolved but very present. Really in a love...
- December 12th, 2020, 3:34 pm
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: Week 3 Virtual Tasting for Charity - Wines of Oregon - D@vid Bu3ker for Dakin Humane Society - DEC9-DEC16
- Replies: 268
- Views: 9495
Re: Week 3 Virtual Tasting for Charity - Wines of Oregon - D@vid Bu3ker for Dakin Humane Society - DEC9-DEC16
2008 Beaux Freres Pinot Noir Beaux Freres Vineyard - Popped and poured at cellar temp. Lovely nose of sour cherry, creosote and underbrush. Nice bracing acidity on the palate with sour cherry fruit and a spice filled finish. Still a youngster, with plenty of time left to develop.
- December 10th, 2020, 3:00 pm
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: Week 3 Virtual Tasting for Charity - Wines of Oregon - D@vid Bu3ker for Dakin Humane Society - DEC9-DEC16
- Replies: 268
- Views: 9495
Re: Week 3 Virtual Tasting for Charity - Wines of Oregon - D@vid Bu3ker for Dakin Humane Society - DEC9-DEC16
2015 Patricia Green Pinot Noir Durant Vineyard Madrone Block- berserker day purchase I believe. Popped and poured at cellar temp.Beguiling nose of black cherry, pine sap and a hint of cinnamon spice. Still a little closed on the palate, with nice pure red fruit and good acidity and body. Get the sen...
- December 8th, 2020, 2:26 pm
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: Rhys 2013 Horseshoe Chardonnay
- Replies: 12
- Views: 1247
Re: Rhys 2013 Horseshoe Chardonnay
Served at slightly below cellar temp. Cork completely saturated, but no signs of oxidation or other problems. Shimmering pale gold color. Lovely nose of matchstick, white pears and butterscotch. Nice balance of sweet tropical fruit, butterscotch with lots of tight acidic white fruit. Still a baby, g...
- December 4th, 2020, 3:02 pm
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: Week 2 Virtual Tasting Series for Charity - Aussie Aussie Aussie - Jay H for Food Bank - Nov30 - DEC9
- Replies: 80
- Views: 3171
Re: Week 2 Virtual Tasting Series for Charity - Aussie Aussie Aussie - Jay H for Food Bank - Nov30 - DEC9
2007 Rockford Basket Press Shiraz - sorry Jay, only 14.5% alcohol. This is my last bottle I brought back from a cellar door visit when my daughter was in Melbourne for a semester abroad. Still a youngster, very dark black color, just a hint of bricking on the rim. Lovely nose of garden herbs, bright...
- November 28th, 2020, 3:38 pm
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: TN: 2000 Chateau Saint-Florent
- Replies: 0
- Views: 130
TN: 2000 Chateau Saint-Florent
I have been making my way through quite a few value Bordeaux from 2000, with generally good results. This bottle is no exception. Little bit of funky earth upon opening, but that blew off quickly. Red licorice, sun baked earth and black pepper on the nose. Nice red fruit, spicy herbs and good acidit...
- November 26th, 2020, 7:11 am
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: TN: 1971 Mayacamas Cabernet Sauvignon
- Replies: 3
- Views: 324
Re: TN: 1971 Mayacamas Cabernet Sauvignon
Todd - well worth searching out. Not sure what they go for, but you only turn 50 once!
- November 25th, 2020, 3:57 pm
- Forum: Commerce Corner - Wine Classifieds
- Topic: Champagne offer
- Replies: 22
- Views: 4813
Re: Champagne offer
Kevin did a great job, very well packed, easy transaction.
- November 25th, 2020, 3:27 pm
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: TN: 1971 Mayacamas Cabernet Sauvignon
- Replies: 3
- Views: 324
TN: 1971 Mayacamas Cabernet Sauvignon
From 375. Good fill into high shoulder. Solid cork came out in one piece with Durand. Let it sit for a couple of hours upon opening, no decant.Surprisingly deep crimson color with just a hint of bricking on the rim. Strong notes of leather, eucalyptus and brown sugar on the nose. Soy, brown sugar an...
- November 24th, 2020, 3:30 pm
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: Virtual Tasting for Charity - Empty My Wallet, Help Me Support Laura's House (11/20 - 11/29)
- Replies: 203
- Views: 7165
Re: Virtual Tasting for Charity - Empty My Wallet, Help Me Support Laura's House (11/20 - 11/29)
2001 Arcadian Pisoni Pinot Noir - No decant. Served at cellar temp. Wow, if anything this bottle is even more primary than the bottle I opened last year. Dark purple color, spicy, woody, dark cherry fruited nose. Lovely texture, black cherry, iron and Asian spices on the palate, with a formidable ta...
- November 22nd, 2020, 2:56 pm
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: TN: 2010 Dehlinger Claret
- Replies: 1
- Views: 233
TN: 2010 Dehlinger Claret
Lovely mint, eucalyptus and sun baked earth on the nose. Beautiful minty black fruit with solid tannic backbone. Really elegant balance, just an outstanding wine. Early drinking days, still a long runway ahead.
- November 20th, 2020, 4:07 pm
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: Virtual Tasting for Charity - Empty My Wallet, Help Me Support Laura's House (11/20 - 11/29)
- Replies: 203
- Views: 7165
Re: Virtual Tasting for Charity - Empty My Wallet, Help Me Support Laura's House (11/20 - 11/29)
2017 Alesia Anderson Valley Pinot Noir - From 375. Nice nose of red fruit and sandalwood. Good structure and acid with generous red fruit. Not a blockbuster, but quite nice and will drink well for several more years.
- November 18th, 2020, 2:59 pm
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: TN: 2019 Anne Sophie Dubois Fleurie Les Cocottes
- Replies: 2
- Views: 176
TN: 2019 Anne Sophie Dubois Fleurie Les Cocottes
Really lovely Bojo. Nice ripe red fruit black pepper and a hint of licorice on the nose. Vibrant, juicy, red fruited palate with nice balancing minerality and good acidic finish. A versatile wine that would be great on a summer picnic or with a roast chicken in winter.
- November 13th, 2020, 3:18 pm
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: TN: 2008 Rhys Syrah Skyline Vineyard
- Replies: 5
- Views: 800
Re: TN: 2008 Rhys Syrah Skyline Vineyard
Really lovely wine. Splash decanted and drank at cellar temp. Meaty bacon, smoke, dense black fruit and black pepper on a really intoxicating nose. Smoky and Sweet black fruit on the attack, but then a mix of acid and fine tannins in the mid palate and a long and full finish. Cries out for red meat ...
- November 12th, 2020, 2:37 pm
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: TN: 2004 Cigliuti Barbaresco Serraboella
- Replies: 0
- Views: 137
TN: 2004 Cigliuti Barbaresco Serraboella
Splash decanted and drank at cellar temp. Lovely deep ruby color. Gorgeous nose of roses, smoky blackberry fruit and asphalt. Nice red fruit, acid and fine tannins on the palate. Drinking very well, but very early days for this wine, would benefit from more bottle age or a longer decant.
- November 11th, 2020, 2:58 pm
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: TN: 2007 And 2008 Rhys Alpine Pinot Side By Side
- Replies: 0
- Views: 201
TN: 2007 And 2008 Rhys Alpine Pinot Side By Side
2007 Alpine -Popped and poured at cellar temp. Quite dark purplish red with no signs of bricking. Brambly, smoky black cherry fruit on the nose with a hint of sandalwood. Orange peel, dark cherry and loamy earth on the palate with a nice acidic finish. Just a little hole in the mid palate would be m...
- November 4th, 2020, 2:29 pm
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: Help an Ignorant Fellow - Wines from Portugal?
- Replies: 12
- Views: 692
Re: Help an Ignorant Fellow - Wines from Portugal?
That is awesome Jim.
- November 2nd, 2020, 2:57 pm
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: TN: Side By Side Paix Sur Terre Whites
- Replies: 2
- Views: 140
TN: Side By Side Paix Sur Terre Whites
So found bottles of 2017 Paix Sur Terre whites I had forgotten about. Ryan and Nicole are doing some cool things with unusual grapes in Paso Robles. 2017 Picpoul Blanc - Deep golden color - melon and limestone on the nose. Sweet peach and melon fruit on the palate with a hint of limestone minerality...
- November 2nd, 2020, 1:23 pm
- Forum: Wine Talk
- Topic: Wine for election night? (Mod- next political post gets a 24hour suspension)
- Replies: 270
- Views: 11357
Re: Wine for election night?
Bourbon, like Sarah the amount will be highly dependent on how the evening goes...