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Not only were there 72cl bottles, but I can also remember drinking some 70cl bottles as well. As you say though, this is all pre EU. I even have a 1975 Cantemerle label at 73cl, but am struggling to upload the photo from my iPad.

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Dom Devevey Beaune Pertuisots 1er cru 2010, a lightish but well balanced pinot, not for the long term, but very pleasing and will last 5 more years.

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Last night 2010 Château Senejac which is approaching middle age and very relaxed about it.

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Lots of good advice already, you may find it interesting to see how a wine evolves over time. When you find a wine that you like buy at least 6 of a youngish vintage and open one every couple of years. And remember to make some notes to look back at.

Enjoy.

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I tend to avoid bottles for a while, but am sometimes pleasantly surprised when they exceed my expectations. There must be some psychology in there. If they are turkeys they become marinade or sauce.

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Gavin Quinney has an excellent article on the 2020 Bordeaux harvest available for all to access on Jancis Robinson’s website. Looks like another potential hot,ripe harvest for those that enjoy that style.

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Many Côtes du Rhône Villages reds, Languedoc reds, Senejac, Cantemerle and Caronne St Gemme

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If possible, look into buying some wines from 2001, 2006 and 2008. These are excellent vintages that are a bit under the radar compared with vintages like 2005, 2009, 2010 and 2016. This is good advice, even the 2008s will give you a different taste experience to younger wines and will give an indi...

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12 Angludet 2011 in 375s, have had loads of this already and at £14 a bottle I reckon the QPR on this is outstanding.

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Domain Heretzyn Gevrey Chambertin VV 2010, a very nicely balanced Pinot Noir, good for a village level and with a few years left in it yet. ***

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Jeff Leve wrote: ↑
October 11th, 2020, 11:20 am

It’s a great time to be a wine drinker. It’s a bad time to be a wine investor.

As someone who can’t afford to be a wine investor and looks back at the prices of the 1980s with a sigh I am currently more happy than I have been in recent years.

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Ch Fourcas Dupre 2010. Dark, hard, lean, no fun at all and I am not confident that there is enough fruit underneath the tannin to survive the wait. I wish I didn’t have 5 more of these. ** only.

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I heard somewhere that the lead in the surface of a glass is absorbed into the first few glasses of wine, and none would subsequently be released. There was a warning that abrasive dish washing would expose more lead to be absorbed. I searched for papers on this, and the following was the best I cou...

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Domain Ferraton, St Joseph, Lieu Dit Paradis, 2016. Nowhere near ready, closed down tightly, even on day two it had to be splash decanted. It has promise, but is no fun at the moment. I would give it at least 2 years before trying again.

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2014 Château Grand-Puy-Lacoste - France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Pauillac (2/10/2018) A return to form - for me, at least. Having had a vertical covering 3 decades of GPL, with the more recent (and ripe! vintages, too) bottlings having been served last, I had all but thrown in the towel on this label (i.e...

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“So full of texture, sifting, shifting, like licking clay off a potter’s wheel.” Not quiet sure what Tamlyn Currin was experiencing in tasting this Hungarian wine, but I don’t think that I want to try it.

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If you're buying wines to drink within a decade, it probably doesn't make a lot of difference. I use professional storage for long term wines like most Bordeaux classed growths. A north facing, unheated space, with the wines in a covered stack for the shorter term, with the better bottles at the bo...

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I don’t use the 100 point scale. With variations in food, temperature, mood etc I don’t think I’m that reliable. The scale below with half points and +s when I think there is potential for improvement does for me 0 - faulty * - dull ** - its okay *** - I like this **** - I wish I had another case **...

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Absolute, irrespective of variety or anything else. I agree, but are you scoring for the drink now aspect or the potential? This is where blind tasting gets difficult, I may find this harsh now, but if I know what it is, I may know that the Batailley mentioned above needs a decade. So absolute, but...

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Sarah Kirschbaum wrote: ↑
September 26th, 2020, 2:39 pm

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote: ↑
September 26th, 2020, 2:36 pm
I think it used to be called Gasqueton
Yep, looking it up got me there first. Ch. Capburn Gasqueton, from what I read.

The Gasqueton family sold it about a decade ago, so the shorter name has been used on a few vintages now.

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Thanks for the information, I have been wondering whether to open my Chasse Spleen and will now go and dig it out. No rush. Clearly young, but I enjoyed mine. Pulled the cork last night Josh, still dark coloured, good tobacco and leather on the nose, slightly too low in acidity for freshness, but c...

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Is this a way of reflecting on our own preferences? I often get huge satisfaction from middle range Bordeaux, such as Caronne St Gemme. It suits my taste and I have been following it since 1982 the critics never mention it, but it is like a comfort blanket for me.

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I started to drink wine in the 1980s, I didn’t have much money, so most of my early purchases were cru bourgeois claret. Still back in the day I bought 1988 Léoville-Barton for £11 and some other similar purchases. I found Burgundy thin and acidic and avoided it for over a decade. Over time I found ...

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I find this true with more bold reds, like hermitage, Rhone, sometimes Napa cabs that time helps them to open up more. Not so much with more delicate wines like Espeite de Tablas Blanc, a rhone blend. The complexity and crispness I had were a bit lost after a day in the fridge. You nailed it with t...

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Thanks for the information, I have been wondering whether to open my Chasse Spleen and will now go and dig it out.

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I have had some 2010s which were relatively lean and 2012s that were rather high in acid, the other end of the spectrum from jammy. I would normally regard the wines of Pernand to be a little restrained, but to soften with a decade of aging.

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2010 Chateau de Puligny Montrachet, Nuits St George 1er Cru. A lovely well mannered mature Pinot Noir, with earth and red fruit flavours and well balanced acidity.

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I experience this all the time. Many many wines are better after time in the fridge. I wish it was imagined because then it could happen for all my wines. But sadly it only works for the young ones of good quality. I would agree with this as a general statement, for wines that some would argue have...

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2010 Capbern Gasqueton, maturing and pleasing to drink, but clearly a way to go yet. Very modern and rich in style, not one for a traditionalist palette.

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Thanks for the note, I bought 6 EP and will follow your advice and wait until 29

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My perception of risk is rather different, with Covid and BLM issues going on in the states I would suggest many Europeans would be asking if the US is safe to visit. Personally I enjoy travel and apart from known trouble spots would go anywhere

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If the unknown Spanish red is the Valdepenas it is a fairly rough and ready Rioja substitute, often very oak matured, and very cheap in Spain. Usually drink and forget it.

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2010 Reserve de Léoville-Barton, still firm, but drinkable, and excellent with a pork chop.

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Another Beaujolais novice here with a sub-question: which (quality) producer makes the earthiest Bojo? I ask because a recent bottle of the 2016 Foillard Cote du Py was a little fruitier than I prefer. Maybe 2016 is too young to pre-judge, but I bet there are some Beaujolais producers that are more...

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GGP is one of those properties that occasionally exceeds all your expectations and gives a great value mature Bordeaux experience, I wish I had more of the 79 and a time machine to go back a decade or so to when it was at peak.

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I wouldn’t know the level of risk, I have simply followed the advice and refrained from doing so.

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Sarah, I usually reverse the cork and put the unexpanded end in first, but that leaves the purple stained cork on top. If you think they are willing to look the other way, this might at least give them the appearance of popping the cork themselves. Happy belated birthday! I too celebrated my most r...

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The mulberry reference for me is quite distinct, the black version having dark fruit, earthy overtones and an intense sweet and sour balance, it makes my favourite jam. For me the chocolate reference is as much about a texture as a flavour, I would normally associate it with a fairly dusty /grainy t...

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Just had the 2015 Jaume Vinsobres Reference, there was dark fruit in the mix, but loads of herb/liquorice/fennel flavours. A cru wine from the southern Cotes de Rhône

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2014 Caronne St Gemme, first from a freshly delivered case of 12. Medium depth red, excellent nose with some complexity, slightly hollow middle palate, but came into its own with steak and mushrooms. No hurry to drink, but at this point I prefer the Senejac.

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Not a purchase, but had a delivery from offsite storage.
12 375 2009 Batailley
12 375 2010 Cantemerle
12 2014 Caronne St Gemme

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Have you tried any Irouleguy? It’s not always easy to get hold of, but can have that austere southwest France style that is more about structure and accompanying food than being a fruity quaffer.

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I’m with Henry above, my EP purchases are often magnums or halves as I get the bottle size I want at negligible price difference.

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Update on the Beaumont 2016 from last night, not a great deal of change, still round and easy to drink, no extra development, but held together well and shouldn’t fall apart anytime soon.

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I find quite a range of styles in Margaux, I also think that a lot of them are upping their performance but changing character at the moment. I would put forward Durfort-Vivens and du Tertre as examples that are much more refined than they were compared to 2002 and 2004 era. Some non classified grow...

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2016 Beaumont Haut Medoc, still looks young, medium-full body, well balanced enough to be a pleasure to drink, but little complexity yet. Will hopefully evolve but went well with cheese and charcuterie now.

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I am in the UK and so not bothered by the tariff issue. I purchase most of my EP through The Wine Society which is about as solid as you get in terms of future risk. I am not looking to make any money or even massive savings. I simply want to know that I have the wine that I want, when I want it, an...

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Nicolas, I simply googled livex and cantemerle and their 2019 analysis was the top result. You have to check out all those you are interested in individually, but the info is open.

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Nicolas, if you look at Livex they graph price movements over time. Some wines prices are related to quality, others such as Cantemerle to age and tick up at around 10 years. I assume this is a reflection on the fact that it is being drunk tastes good and people want to backfill. So to answer your q...

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I would suggest you consider other subscriptions as well/instead, based upon your interests. Jancis Robinson’s site is very broad in its outlook, covering the whole world of wine over time. The Wine Doctor is specifically focused on the Loire and Bordeaux. As you are in Norway you may have easier ac...

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