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by Keith Levenberg
September 22nd, 2020, 2:42 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Underrated Burgundy Vintages
Replies: 105
Views: 4034

Re: Underrated Burgundy Vintages

Been awhile since I've had an '09, but every vintage people have said will never close down, eventually closes down. Putting aside that this is a non-falsifiable statement, do you have some examples in mind? How's it a non-falsifiable statement? If someone older than me has an example of a vintage ...
by Keith Levenberg
September 22nd, 2020, 12:29 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Underrated Burgundy Vintages
Replies: 105
Views: 4034

Re: Underrated Burgundy Vintages

The VERY long haul. What I was trying to say as that 2009 will live longer and indeed, need more time than 2010. Maybe; I’m not so sure about that. 09 are drinking pretty great atm too. I concur. Every 2009 we've consumed, from basic Bourgogne to Grand Cru, has been deliciously accessible from the ...
by Keith Levenberg
September 22nd, 2020, 11:44 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Robert Dentice - German Wine's Radical Love Machine
Replies: 26
Views: 1364

Re: Robert Dentice - German Wine's Radical Love Machine

Congrats Robert. They really grokked you. Rare to see that in the press.
by Keith Levenberg
September 21st, 2020, 5:22 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Underrated Burgundy Vintages
Replies: 105
Views: 4034

Re: Underrated Burgundy Vintages

Exactly. People are too impatient. A wine - or vintage - shuts down and people write it off. This is what happened with 1988s - beautiful and delicious when first in bottle and then the fruit went to sleep and people - most notably Parker, who never understood Burgundy (although has apparently now ...
by Keith Levenberg
September 21st, 2020, 5:19 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Name a wine you consistently rate higher than the critics
Replies: 49
Views: 2573

Re: Name a wine you consistently rate higher than the critics

George Chadwick wrote:
September 21st, 2020, 3:23 pm
Craig G wrote:
September 20th, 2020, 9:13 pm
Is that even possible?
Yes, not all critics get high before they rate wines.
Did not think the perfect reply could be improved upon. Chapeau, gents.
by Keith Levenberg
September 21st, 2020, 1:00 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Underrated Burgundy Vintages
Replies: 105
Views: 4034

Re: Underrated Burgundy Vintages

Keith, apart from 2005, what would you say are the other great vintages from the last 20 years? '99, '05, and '15 at the top, then '02, '09, and '10 a notch below. Thanks. So, in the last 20 years, not including 2005, only 2015 (1999 doesn't count [tease.gif] ) Someone called 2015 a crowd pleaser o...
by Keith Levenberg
September 20th, 2020, 4:48 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: How good is the 2008 vintage in BURGUNDY
Replies: 56
Views: 4186

Re: How good is the 2008 vintage in BURGUNDY

Many producers had very, very long malolactic fermentations. I think this is the key point to understanding why the vintage is heterogenous. The malos were very hard to get finished (one producer I know had 8 grams per liter malic acid in one of their Vosne-Romanée 1er crus). As a result, the wines...
by Keith Levenberg
September 20th, 2020, 2:27 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What to pair with American Wagyu Ground Beef?
Replies: 31
Views: 1404

Re: What to pair with American Wagyu Ground Beef?

Beaujolais with burgers is always fun. Meets more or less halfway between your desire to drink wine and your burger's desire for a Coke.
by Keith Levenberg
September 20th, 2020, 2:12 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Underrated Burgundy Vintages
Replies: 105
Views: 4034

Re: Underrated Burgundy Vintages

It's possible that I'm just a terrible taster, but we just did a dinner a few months ago with a bunch of 05s, and the clear winners were two non 05 ringers. Even wines as plush and typically open as Mugneret Gibourg's Fueselottes need 3 hours or more to open up. (On pop and pour a few weeks earlier...
by Keith Levenberg
September 18th, 2020, 2:12 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Underrated Burgundy Vintages
Replies: 105
Views: 4034

Re: Underrated Burgundy Vintages

I've been hitting the odd cheapie from 2005 now and then - Rully, Santenay, etc. Some of them are getting to be in a nice spot. But for the most part even these still need more time. As Howard indicates, this was pretty obvious from day one. You can even search the board archives (or maybe it was th...
by Keith Levenberg
September 18th, 2020, 11:59 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Barrel furniture
Replies: 30
Views: 935

Re: Barrel furniture

A new store front opened recently here in the south SF East Bay. As I was watching them build out, I had hopes it was going to be a wine bar ;) but turned out to be custom furniture made from wine barrels. No affiliation, just thought it might be of interest to folks here. I’m not sure if they ship...
by Keith Levenberg
September 18th, 2020, 11:56 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Underrated Burgundy Vintages
Replies: 105
Views: 4034

Re: Underrated Burgundy Vintages

It's possible that I'm just a terrible taster, but we just did a dinner a few months ago with a bunch of 05s, and the clear winners were two non 05 ringers. Even wines as plush and typically open as Mugneret Gibourg's Fueselottes need 3 hours or more to open up. (On pop and pour a few weeks earlier...
by Keith Levenberg
September 18th, 2020, 11:00 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Underrated Burgundy Vintages
Replies: 105
Views: 4034

Re: Underrated Burgundy Vintages

I'm less confident making that call on 2005, as I have some concerns that it might go the way of 96 (though I really hope I'm wrong). I also think 2016 is a great vintage, personally. Greg, I'm not sure I get the comparison between the two vintages. 1996 was a less-ripe, high acid vintage that show...
by Keith Levenberg
September 17th, 2020, 5:59 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Underrated Burgundy Vintages
Replies: 105
Views: 4034

Re: Underrated Burgundy Vintages

2013 > 2008 > 1996, but if one doesn't like the style, probably best to skip. 1996 tasted better young than 2008 or 2013, and 2008 tasted better young than 2013. If the hierarchy now is 13>08>96 that only reflects that the last two are aging badly (and the first might be the next to age badly!). A ...
by Keith Levenberg
September 13th, 2020, 3:37 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: It's critic bingo! (Dept. of Neologisms)
Replies: 1208
Views: 56836

Re: It's critic bingo! (Dept. of Neologisms)

By the way, for those playing along at home, "closing shades of nuance" gets its own square on the bingo card, separate from the unmodified nuance. 99 Points, Antonio Galloni, Vinous: “Like Tignanello, the 2016 Solaia is a wine of extraordinary nuance and finesse. Super-ripe blackberry, plum jam, es...
by Keith Levenberg
September 12th, 2020, 4:01 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Coteaux Champenois Vintage with Age?
Replies: 5
Views: 259

Re: Coteaux Champenois Vintage with Age?

Had an '02 Bara a few months ago that was aging very nicely. Pretty confident these can hold just as well as red Burgundy.
by Keith Levenberg
September 11th, 2020, 5:28 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Remembering 9/11....
Replies: 22
Views: 943

Re: Remembering 9/11....

I slept through the whole thing and was irritated my phone was ringing off the hook. But our apartment had a clear view downtown and I figured out something was amiss when I woke up and looked out the window at noon or thereabouts.
by Keith Levenberg
September 10th, 2020, 5:35 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Dirty and Rowdy Fall Release
Replies: 82
Views: 3878

Re: Dirty and Rowdy Fall Release

Me: Nothing could ever possibly make me want to drink a zinfandel
D&R: "Zin for 70's Space Exploration"
Me: Shut up and take my money
by Keith Levenberg
August 29th, 2020, 10:49 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The best seal
Replies: 46
Views: 2516

Re: The best seal

but to me the best seal for todays wines is screwcap. A top notch white Burgundy producer told me the same thing but said that he does not use it because the market won't accept it. He's got it backwards - the market will accept them the moment the top notch producers start using them. And even wit...
by Keith Levenberg
August 28th, 2020, 12:26 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The best seal
Replies: 46
Views: 2516

Re: The best seal

Absolutely

If we'd been using screwcaps all along, what exactly would the argument be for switching to corks?
by Keith Levenberg
August 27th, 2020, 8:41 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Double decant question
Replies: 20
Views: 1095

Re: Double decant question

Buy a couple of German rieslings that use the glass stopper. Those things are great to hold onto for moving around an open bottle.
by Keith Levenberg
August 27th, 2020, 8:38 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Sojourn Cellars Sold to Angelina Mondavi . . .
Replies: 29
Views: 2106

Re: Sojourn Cellars Sold to Angelina Mondavi . . .

Congrats to Craig!
by Keith Levenberg
August 24th, 2020, 8:58 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: GLASVIN a new handmade glass for $25!
Replies: 152
Views: 13304

Re: GLASVIN a new handmade glass for $25!

Been using these for a few days now and I have become a big fan - they'll be my new go-tos. Like I said before, I am thrilled by the return to fashion of the round bowl. The shape isn't quite perfect though - the vertical line from bowl to rim is just a bit too close to 90 degrees upright for my lik...
by Keith Levenberg
August 21st, 2020, 8:30 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Bel Air Marquis d'Aligre 2003
Replies: 13
Views: 754

Re: Bel Air Marquis d'Aligre 2003

Ferriere is really underrated. Dings very high on the comfort wine meter.
by Keith Levenberg
August 19th, 2020, 7:28 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 1989 / 1990 Bordeaux, including all 3x 1990 Leoville wines
Replies: 12
Views: 1063

Re: TN: 1989 / 1990 Bordeaux, including all 3x 1990 Leoville wines

Triple Leoville is always a fun theme. That Las Cases is a beauty indeed.
by Keith Levenberg
August 16th, 2020, 7:14 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 1996 Roagna Barolo La Rocca e La Pira (Italy, Piedmont, Langhe, Barolo)
Replies: 7
Views: 521

Re: TN: 1996 Roagna Barolo La Rocca e La Pira (Italy, Piedmont, Langhe, Barolo)

I remember this being okay on release and pretty crappy a couple years thereafter. I got rid of mine and you could've knocked me over with a feather when Roagna became a culty name.
by Keith Levenberg
August 16th, 2020, 3:27 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: GLASVIN a new handmade glass for $25!
Replies: 152
Views: 13304

Re: GLASVIN a new handmade glass for $25!

Just ordered a set. I salute the return of the round bowl!
by Keith Levenberg
August 16th, 2020, 9:33 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Bel Air Marquis d'Aligre 2003
Replies: 13
Views: 754

Re: Bel Air Marquis d'Aligre 2003

I had this the other day as well. While BAMA's rep is for needing tons of air, this was one of those wines that seemed to show most of what it had right away, then closed in on itself a bit before opening again in a fruitier way. That gives me the sense it'll be better in a few years still. But I re...
by Keith Levenberg
August 15th, 2020, 11:22 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Mouton-Rothschild 1994 and a blind tasting of Flannery
Replies: 15
Views: 825

Re: Mouton-Rothschild 1994 and a blind tasting of Flannery

Against sous vide steaks unless you like your steak to taste like roast beef. Also against the trendy reverse sear unless you're talking about something like 3" thick. A boring ol' regular sear is all it takes to get a perfect crust and a rosy rare interior.
by Keith Levenberg
August 10th, 2020, 11:05 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: WA 100/100 and the price of 2016 Sandrone Barolo le Vigne
Replies: 54
Views: 4582

Re: WA 100/100 and the price of 2016 Sandrone Barolo le Vigne

I have recorded the daily average price, as seen on “Wine Searcher”, for the 2016 Sandrone Barolo le Vigne price, right after the WA 100/100 Published on July 23,2020. (I have kept the screen copies. Prices in Euro.) July 23 - 97 Euro July 24 - 106 Euro July 27 - 144 Euro July 28 - 157 Euro July 29...
by Keith Levenberg
August 9th, 2020, 9:20 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Share your thoughts on Margaux
Replies: 36
Views: 2819

Re: Share your thoughts on Margaux

I really dig Malescot, but I think it's unlikely that what you're enjoying about it has much to do with it being a Margaux. The style these days is deep, bold, exuberant, up-front, powerful, not really the adjectives you tend to see in most descriptions of the appellation. Brane-Cantenac is a good r...
by Keith Levenberg
August 9th, 2020, 10:35 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Explain Like I’m Five: The Method to Your Madness in Standing Wines Up Before Consuming
Replies: 64
Views: 3121

Re: Explain Like I’m Five: The Method to Your Madness in Standing Wines Up Before Consuming

I guess if getting the beautiful old wine consumed quickly is your goal, then I agree with you. Disclaimer: Bern's and Haven are customers. You’re suggesting it’s better to spend a few hours following the wines development? Yes Tom, enjoy the whole show. This is a bit of a non-sequitur. Decanting a...
by Keith Levenberg
August 8th, 2020, 12:52 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The 2019 Bordeaux are coming out.
Replies: 1014
Views: 62118

Re: The 2019 Bordeaux are coming out.

If you guys are buying 2019 hoping to avoid paying higher prices later, don’t bother with Cru Bourgeois and Cantemerle or others in that price range. Good wines, but not big market movers. Those are drinker wines. For a better return, You need to focus on the top scoring Classified Growths and sele...
by Keith Levenberg
August 8th, 2020, 8:40 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Explain Like I’m Five: The Method to Your Madness in Standing Wines Up Before Consuming
Replies: 64
Views: 3121

Re: Explain Like I’m Five: The Method to Your Madness in Standing Wines Up Before Consuming

Rick Joyer wrote:
August 7th, 2020, 10:58 am
So….explain like I’m five how you approach this topic please.
Well, since you asked...
by Keith Levenberg
July 27th, 2020, 6:28 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Ribera del Duero Tempranillo
Replies: 21
Views: 1181

Re: Ribera del Duero Tempranillo

Maybe the OP asked the wrong question - instead of the $60 mark, how about just some good ones that don't taste like the oak monsters that were fashionable in the early 2000s... Vega is great of course if you have the $$$. I've been impressed with Perez Pascuas lately. I'd be buying a ton of Viadero...
by Keith Levenberg
July 27th, 2020, 5:43 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN Cos d’Estournel 2009
Replies: 26
Views: 1518

Re: TN Cos d’Estournel 2009

I was thinking of you when I mentioned the 100 point scores from some critics. I decided not to score this, because for me a wine that I don’t want to finish my first glass let alone pour a second, must by definition score less than eighty points. This is why those of us who do score those wines ke...
by Keith Levenberg
July 27th, 2020, 3:41 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2004 Rhys Home Vineyard
Replies: 4
Views: 462

TN: 2004 Rhys Home Vineyard

This is the oldest Rhys I've had since it's of course the oldest Rhys it's possible to have without breaking into Kevin's basement. On release it floored me with its complexity, rocky expression, and conspicuous absence of any indication it's from a heat-wave vintage. Fourteen years later the ripe f...
by Keith Levenberg
July 17th, 2020, 8:01 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Has KLWM Lost Their Collective Minds?
Replies: 149
Views: 9570

Re: Has KLWM Lost Their Collective Minds?

Why should Kermit Lynch subsidize your purchase of $5,000 wine below its market value? Why's he greedy for asking market price, but you're not greedy for wanting it below market price? Seems to me it was the old practice of selling it cheap and letting his customers make a quick buck flipping that ...
by Keith Levenberg
July 17th, 2020, 5:21 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Has KLWM Lost Their Collective Minds?
Replies: 149
Views: 9570

Re: Has KLWM Lost Their Collective Minds?

Why should Kermit Lynch subsidize your purchase of $5,000 wine below its market value? Why's he greedy for asking market price, but you're not greedy for wanting it below market price? Seems to me it was the old practice of selling it cheap and letting his customers make a quick buck flipping that b...
by Keith Levenberg
July 4th, 2020, 3:36 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Preferred Burgundy Glass
Replies: 102
Views: 7430

Re: Preferred Burgundy Glass

I have compared the Zalto, new Schott Zwiesel Vervino and Riedel Restaurant (ouverture) stems and tumblers extensively. I took measurements using a digital micrometer on the rims and the ranges provided are either due to rim variance for a single stem or due to rim variance when two stems were meas...
by Keith Levenberg
July 2nd, 2020, 3:34 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Bordeaux 2010 - 10 years - 61 reds
Replies: 9
Views: 1127

Re: Bordeaux 2010 - 10 years - 61 reds

Clos Manou! Wow! I'm sure Robert is going to run out to get cases. Lol, I did check WineSearcher. And Leve. It’s a Leve 88 so I would prolly love it. Never tried it before. Extremely well-done notes. Helpful reference on some wines I have. I knew that I should have bought more 2010 VCC. Clos Manou ...
by Keith Levenberg
July 2nd, 2020, 12:38 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: It's critic bingo! (Dept. of Neologisms)
Replies: 1208
Views: 56836

Re: It's critic bingo! (striding confidently when not prancing)

How does one tell if a wine is confident in its cassis and blackberries, or if it's riddled with angst and self-doubt?
by Keith Levenberg
July 1st, 2020, 5:59 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: If Pomerol did have a classification....?
Replies: 83
Views: 6161

Re: If Pomerol did have a classification....?

When the 2012s came out, I was stunned by how good the Pomerols and Graves were and was surprised the vintage had such a poor reputation. I haven't had many since release, but I have a hunch they'll continue delivering surprised smiles for awhile. Comparison to '14 may be on a wine-by-wine basis, bu...
by Keith Levenberg
June 29th, 2020, 6:19 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: If Pomerol did have a classification....?
Replies: 83
Views: 6161

Re: If Pomerol did have a classification....?

wow no love for Gazin on that ranking. It's gotten better, but I would agree with her on the 3rd Class status for now. Remember that there are quite a few that she didn't give a classification to, so that's not the lowest status. Depends on the period also, before the sale of vineyards to Pétrus in...
by Keith Levenberg
June 28th, 2020, 6:18 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The 2019 Bordeaux are coming out.
Replies: 1014
Views: 62118

Re: The 2019 Bordeaux are coming out.

Pricing certainly feels attractive, and I did buy a very small amount. But I also perceive (rightly or wrongly, the data isn’t really available) that the market is being manipulated in tried and true Bordeaux fashion. Yes stuff is selling out, but on what kind of quantity? It seems that a few dozen...
by Keith Levenberg
June 24th, 2020, 8:26 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The 2019 Bordeaux are coming out.
Replies: 1014
Views: 62118

Re: The 2019 Bordeaux are coming out.

Well, you know you've bought too much when CellarTracker interrupts you to give you a CAPTCHA check. But this time I was just entering a mixed case of 375s!
by Keith Levenberg
June 24th, 2020, 1:17 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The 2019 Bordeaux are coming out.
Replies: 1014
Views: 62118

Re: The 2019 Bordeaux are coming out.

TW has PLL up. I'm sure it will go quick. I'm passing. Oof at $150. I backfill 80s-90s Lalande at or close to that price. Buying some as a YOLO. I bought. Wine-Searcher low on the 2016 is $220 right now. Best price I saw on release was $180. I think $150 will end up looking like a pretty good price...

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