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by Keith Levenberg
December 10th, 2019, 7:08 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Natural Wines with age - a tasting (Leroy, Anglore, Ganevat, Lapierre,...)
Replies: 23
Views: 1461

Re: Natural Wines with age - a tasting (Leroy, Anglore, Ganevat, Lapierre,...)

No doubt many unsulfured wines were sold mainly at home because importers were afraid of dealing with them, and yes Overnoy has been unsulfured forever. Lapierre of course made both the S and N cuvees - it's only recently the latter goes into the supply chain here in any quantity; it used to be the ...
by Keith Levenberg
December 9th, 2019, 4:41 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wine Games: Who’s the producer?
Replies: 230
Views: 4082

Re: Wine Games: Who’s the producer?

Drinking now
by Keith Levenberg
December 9th, 2019, 2:23 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wine Games: Who’s the producer?
Replies: 230
Views: 4082

Re: Wine Games: Who’s the producer?

Alfert doesn't have to cover the Montrachet, he just has to start complying with the subpoenas to show up
by Keith Levenberg
December 9th, 2019, 2:13 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Natural Wines with age - a tasting (Leroy, Anglore, Ganevat, Lapierre,...)
Replies: 23
Views: 1461

Re: Natural Wines with age - a tasting (Leroy, Anglore, Ganevat, Lapierre,...)

If you will take my magic carpet ride for just a moment, as a style , Lapierre is structured much like a conventional Morgon. If no one told you, you would not likely suddenly say, "ya know, I bet this is one of them done dair natural wines everyone in tarnation is jabbering on about". Yeah, but mo...
by Keith Levenberg
December 9th, 2019, 11:33 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wine Games: Who’s the producer?
Replies: 230
Views: 4082

Re: Wine Games: Who’s the producer?

Grange des Peres
by Keith Levenberg
December 9th, 2019, 11:08 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wine Games: Who’s the producer?
Replies: 230
Views: 4082

Re: Wine Games: Who’s the producer?

This thread is so surreal. It's like my high school art history exams, but actually knowing the answers. I dunno, Keith, haven’t seen you answering Post 50. ;) Granted, you are only rich, not snobby and pretentious. Well, at least not pretentious. If you answer within 15 minutes, next Bern’s dinner...
by Keith Levenberg
December 9th, 2019, 10:03 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wine Games: Who’s the producer?
Replies: 230
Views: 4082

Re: Wine Games: Who’s the producer?

This thread is so surreal. It's like my high school art history exams, but actually knowing the answers.
by Keith Levenberg
December 9th, 2019, 8:06 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Dunnuck Top 100 2019
Replies: 50
Views: 4435

Re: Dunnuck Top 100 2019

Paul Jaouen wrote:
December 5th, 2019, 7:54 am
I think one of the reviewers should post their Bottom 100 list. We could have a lot of fun with that.
All of their 91-point wines
by Keith Levenberg
December 9th, 2019, 8:02 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wine Games: Who’s the producer?
Replies: 230
Views: 4082

Re: Wine Games: Who’s the producer?

Mikko R wrote:
December 8th, 2019, 11:07 pm
well how about this rare stuff
Gonon Chasselas
by Keith Levenberg
December 9th, 2019, 7:58 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Natural Wines with age - a tasting (Leroy, Anglore, Ganevat, Lapierre,...)
Replies: 23
Views: 1461

Re: Natural Wines with age - a tasting (Leroy, Anglore, Ganevat, Lapierre,...)

Pretty much all of them! It just wasn't the thing people were fixated on. I think the main issue is that the people who first developed and championed these wines were trying to distinguish themselves from overly processed/treated wines - they weren't trying to out-natural each other . So the focus ...
by Keith Levenberg
December 6th, 2019, 1:02 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Natural Wines with age - a tasting (Leroy, Anglore, Ganevat, Lapierre,...)
Replies: 23
Views: 1461

Re: Natural Wines with age - a tasting (Leroy, Anglore, Ganevat, Lapierre,...)

Natural wine jumped the shark when it became all about sulfur. It didn't used to be that way! Some wines age fine without sulfur, some don't, and I'm not aware of any way of telling which is which on release just by tasting. I am getting a bit tired of pouring once-great wines down the sink, so I'm...
by Keith Levenberg
December 6th, 2019, 6:57 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Natural Wines with age - a tasting (Leroy, Anglore, Ganevat, Lapierre,...)
Replies: 23
Views: 1461

Re: Natural Wines with age - a tasting (Leroy, Anglore, Ganevat, Lapierre,...)

Natural wine jumped the shark when it became all about sulfur. It didn't used to be that way! Some wines age fine without sulfur, some don't, and I'm not aware of any way of telling which is which on release just by tasting. I am getting a bit tired of pouring once-great wines down the sink, so I'm ...
by Keith Levenberg
November 27th, 2019, 12:51 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Mark Squires' BB to close for good - UPDATED (WA sold to Michelin)
Replies: 319
Views: 20818

Re: Mark Squires' BB to close for good - UPDATED (WA sold to Michelin)

Given their insistence on repeating the (grammatically horrendous) brand name "Robert Parker Wine Advocate" a thousand times, I'm surmising Parker's brand value is still pretty strong.
by Keith Levenberg
November 25th, 2019, 11:06 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 15 vs 16 barton
Replies: 13
Views: 1109

Re: 15 vs 16 barton

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
November 23rd, 2019, 3:16 pm
Keith Levenberg wrote:
November 23rd, 2019, 2:59 pm
Current price of the 2016 Barton can also get you the 2000 Barton, which is one of the best the chateau ever made.

I just popped the 2000 a couple weeks ago. While I will not call it best ever,
I hedged! Too soon to tell whether it will beat out the 1926.
by Keith Levenberg
November 23rd, 2019, 2:59 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 15 vs 16 barton
Replies: 13
Views: 1109

Re: 15 vs 16 barton

Current price of the 2016 Barton can also get you the 2000 Barton, which is one of the best the chateau ever made.
by Keith Levenberg
November 22nd, 2019, 6:57 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Chateau Palmer 2016 for $274, what the what?
Replies: 157
Views: 11884

Re: Chateau Palmer 2016 for $274, what the what?

2010 La Rioja Alta Vina Ardanza gets pretty cheap with the $50 or $100 codes, depending how many you want
by Keith Levenberg
November 22nd, 2019, 6:44 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Barolo: no more need to wait forever and a day
Replies: 86
Views: 4032

Re: Barolo: no more need to wait forever and a day

Possibly nebbiolo is more of a crapshoot in the cellar than other major wines, but I suspect at least part of the variability of old Barolo is not on account of the crapshoot but on account of those older wines just having been flawed from birth - too much unattended time in cask indifferent to intr...
by Keith Levenberg
November 21st, 2019, 2:02 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Barolo: no more need to wait forever and a day
Replies: 86
Views: 4032

Re: Barolo: no more need to wait forever and a day

There's more to "approachable" than not having sandbags of tannin. 10-year-old Barolo may be less aggressively tannic than it used to be, but they are still in the same not-fun-to-drink, in-between period where the initial primary fruit appeal is gone (if it was ever there in the first place) and no...
by Keith Levenberg
November 18th, 2019, 1:28 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Are there objectively good and bad wines?
Replies: 100
Views: 3290

Re: Are there objectively good and bad wines?

Good talk:
by Keith Levenberg
November 18th, 2019, 1:22 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Are there objectively good and bad wines?
Replies: 100
Views: 3290

Re: Are there objectively good and bad wines?

Besides, what good is it to me if a wine somehow "objectively" is a 95 point wine and I think subjectively it deserves 75 points. For example, how does one rate SQN or Truchot objectively? Say there is a wine from both that somehow are objectively rated 92.5. Many, many tasters will find that one d...
by Keith Levenberg
November 18th, 2019, 1:11 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Is Corton-Charlemagne as grand a Grand Cru as the others? Please discuss!
Replies: 36
Views: 2019

Re: Is Corton-Charlemagne as grand a Grand Cru as the others? Please discuss!

As others have said, Corton-Charlemagne is more chiseled and mineral, and pulls off that style better than any other site in the Cote - clearly a top grand cru. If you like Chevalier better than Batard, then Corton-Charlemagne is for you. (If you'd probably rather be drinking riesling, then Corton-C...
by Keith Levenberg
November 14th, 2019, 9:01 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: Eight 2016 Barbarescos tasted blind
Replies: 22
Views: 1991

Re: TN: Eight 2016 Barbarescos tasted blind

John, what do you mean by quinine aroma? To my understanding, quinine is a completely odorless compound and hasn't got really any taste of its own, besides the noticeable bitterness. Perhaps that's true, but this smelled like tonic water. Not sure what else is in tonic other than quinine. I get wha...
by Keith Levenberg
November 13th, 2019, 12:13 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The Insider: Inside New York’s Exclusive Billionaire Wine Tastings
Replies: 20
Views: 2601

Re: The Insider: Inside New York’s Exclusive Billionaire Wine Tastings

Shame the video cut off right before she tears off that fake mustache and he exclaims, "and I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for you!..."
by Keith Levenberg
October 25th, 2019, 9:43 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Can any glass geeks identify this glass?
Replies: 8
Views: 763

Re: Can any glass geeks identify this glass?

Hm. Can't decide whether I like it. Handy for the dishwasher but looks almost more like a beer glass.
by Keith Levenberg
October 25th, 2019, 9:36 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wineries please note - I am sick of styro shippers
Replies: 163
Views: 6426

Re: Wineries please note - I am sick of styro shippers

I agree that my preference would be for styrofoam especially when I hear someone like Morgan worry about heat issues with the alternatives. I get plenty of shipments in styrofoam that are not filled with little pieces. Ship in the right weather, and styro does not matter. Ship in the wrong weather,...
by Keith Levenberg
October 25th, 2019, 9:33 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wineries please note - I am sick of styro shippers
Replies: 163
Views: 6426

Re: Wineries please note - I am sick of styro shippers

Hi Aaron and all- all great points here. At WineBid, we're acutely aware of the styro issue. We are looking into alternative packaging that will work as well and be as cost effective, and we are actively attempting to recycle all the styro we can for multiple uses, where appropriate. I guess the qu...
by Keith Levenberg
October 24th, 2019, 9:17 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wineries please note - I am sick of styro shippers
Replies: 163
Views: 6426

Re: Wineries please note - I am sick of styro shippers

Hi Aaron and all- all great points here. At WineBid, we're acutely aware of the styro issue. We are looking into alternative packaging that will work as well and be as cost effective, and we are actively attempting to recycle all the styro we can for multiple uses, where appropriate. I guess the qu...
by Keith Levenberg
October 23rd, 2019, 7:52 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Upright or on its side: A Theory
Replies: 56
Views: 2415

Re: Upright or on its side: A Theory

Try storing some wine long term standing up and you'll see the corks dry out. I can't argue the science but I've seen enough data with my own stuff not to let it happen anymore. I suppose it's something one could do a scientific study on, but it would be better if the wineries mooted the need to car...
by Keith Levenberg
October 19th, 2019, 12:19 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: juge hunter: astor wines edition
Replies: 15
Views: 1201

Re: juge hunter: astor wines edition

Even Verset isn't getting Gentaz prices.
by Keith Levenberg
October 18th, 2019, 8:10 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Zalto Universal vs. Gabriel Gold
Replies: 174
Views: 14503

Re: Zalto Universal vs. Gabriel Gold

I never liked Zalto's angular design. I'm intrigued by the Jancis glass, which basically looks like a Zalto Universal but with a round bowl. Anyone tried it?
by Keith Levenberg
October 18th, 2019, 7:44 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Aglianico
Replies: 65
Views: 2852

Re: Aglianico

Many call aglianico the nebbiolo of the south. Very different profile but the complexity can reach highs. There are aglianico from various southern regions but I find those from Campania to be my preferred. Mastroberardino Radici and Feudi de San Gregario's various offerings. The Vulture are very c...
by Keith Levenberg
October 17th, 2019, 9:05 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: John Fox (PC) Update
Replies: 33
Views: 3659

Re: John Fox (PC) Update

Neal.Mollen wrote:
October 16th, 2019, 9:42 am
There is no parole in the federal system.
No conjugal visits either
by Keith Levenberg
September 30th, 2019, 9:35 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Lots of good, not so much great
Replies: 54
Views: 1957

Re: Lots of good, not so much great

I think I found the problem
Sc0tt F!tzger@ld wrote:
September 30th, 2019, 5:58 am
California Pinot Noir
by Keith Levenberg
September 29th, 2019, 3:18 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Barolo Sediment
Replies: 113
Views: 4768

Re: Barolo Sediment

You don't have to keep a bottle upright to decant off its sediment. As soon as you start pouring the bottle, you've just put the thing on its side anyway, so what was the point of standing it up for a month? Just take the bottle from the cellar, decant slowly and carefully, and you'll get it off th...
by Keith Levenberg
September 24th, 2019, 7:41 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Do I need to be drinking my Bordeauxs younger?
Replies: 54
Views: 2420

Re: Do I need to be drinking my Bordeauxs younger?

Nah...just had a wonderful ‘62 Latour today. One wine (and a Latour, which has the reputation (deservedly so IMHO) of being the longest lived wine in Bordeaux) proves exactly what? Not much less than the four wines you mentioned. Why would you expect a '79 Bordeaux to be better now than, say, 10 or...
by Keith Levenberg
September 21st, 2019, 5:25 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Burgundy 2019 report
Replies: 29
Views: 3959

Re: Burgundy 2019 report

The grape cluster pics growers have been posting on Facebook this year have been super-porny.
by Keith Levenberg
September 17th, 2019, 8:30 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: A Humble Evening at Bern's, Some Observations, and the Omnipresence of Rolland in My Life
Replies: 72
Views: 5118

Re: A Humble Evening at Bern's, Some Observations, and the Omnipresence of Rolland in My Life

I am pretty sure there are no 1918s left, and the '20s-'40s are now mostly reduced to off-vintages. But some of those off-vintages are still great bottles because the provenance is so good. Note that there are still some wines on the printed list which are no longer available (they can only print th...
by Keith Levenberg
September 15th, 2019, 10:01 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Barolo Sediment
Replies: 113
Views: 4768

Re: Barolo Sediment

Doesn't matter how fine the sediment is, if gravity is capable of settling it on the bottom of the bottle, it's also capable of keeping it on the underside of the bottle when the bottle is in a sideways position being poured. By contrast, if you're worried about disturbing fine sediment, what do you...
by Keith Levenberg
September 15th, 2019, 8:44 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Barolo Sediment
Replies: 113
Views: 4768

Re: Barolo Sediment

Anywhere from zero to a hundred years old or so
by Keith Levenberg
September 15th, 2019, 7:39 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Barolo Sediment
Replies: 113
Views: 4768

Re: Barolo Sediment

Works with any wine. The sediment is perfectly settled on the side of the bottle, which is the bottom of the bottle when the bottle is on its side, which is the position you're pouring from.
by Keith Levenberg
September 15th, 2019, 6:19 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Any recs for lunch in or around Beaune?
Replies: 22
Views: 1245

Re: Any recs for lunch in or around Beaune?

Saturday is market day in Beaune - skip the restaurants and put together some cheese, sausage, pate, etc. for a picnic you'll never forget.
by Keith Levenberg
September 15th, 2019, 5:25 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Barolo Sediment
Replies: 113
Views: 4768

Re: Barolo Sediment

You don't have to keep a bottle upright to decant off its sediment. As soon as you start pouring the bottle, you've just put the thing on its side anyway, so what was the point of standing it up for a month? Just take the bottle from the cellar, decant slowly and carefully, and you'll get it off the...
by Keith Levenberg
September 15th, 2019, 11:08 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: More Bottom Feeding @ Total Wine...(short/boring)
Replies: 33
Views: 1745

Re: TN: More Bottom Feeding @ Total Wine...(short/boring)

These are terroir wines, you know! They're unique to its appellations! "Crafted by multi-talented winemaker, Allison Crowe for Plata Wine Partners, she has crafted a long-term relationship with the vineyards to craft wines that are unique to its appellations." - https://www.totalwine.com/wine/brand/...
by Keith Levenberg
September 15th, 2019, 11:04 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: More Bottom Feeding @ Total Wine...(short/boring)
Replies: 33
Views: 1745

Re: TN: More Bottom Feeding @ Total Wine...(short/boring)

Maybe it just needs more time in the cellar. [rofl.gif]
by Keith Levenberg
September 15th, 2019, 11:02 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: For BAMA fans...
Replies: 56
Views: 2672

Re: For BAMA fans...

I haven't had enough of these to get a handle on what kind of bottle variation there is, which doesn't bother me in itself but can be a dealbreaker depending on the cause of the variation - so what's the cause here? Low tech or low sulfur? Makes a big difference. It's the difference between some lot...
by Keith Levenberg
September 6th, 2019, 7:02 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Underrated burgundy vintages
Replies: 76
Views: 3740

Re: Underrated burgundy vintages

in. I still have a handful of the good '04s
by Keith Levenberg
September 6th, 2019, 6:38 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Underrated burgundy vintages
Replies: 76
Views: 3740

Re: Underrated burgundy vintages

Welcome to Lake Wobegon, where all vintages are above average. If one looks at vintages of the last 10-15 years only in comparison with each other, of course all of the vintages cannot be above average. But, if one looks at the vintages of even the last 20 years in comparison with other vintages ov...
by Keith Levenberg
September 6th, 2019, 6:32 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Underrated burgundy vintages
Replies: 76
Views: 3740

Re: Underrated burgundy vintages

Personally I think 2010 is underrated. Of course, everyone loves it, but it may well be the greatest vintage of my lifetime, and I am not sure it is being recognized as such. I totally agree and almost wrote that. 2010's are pretty expensive, and not too easy to find, and pretty universally lauded....
by Keith Levenberg
September 6th, 2019, 6:24 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Underrated burgundy vintages
Replies: 76
Views: 3740

Re: Underrated burgundy vintages

Personally I think 2010 is underrated. Of course, everyone loves it, but it may well be the greatest vintage of my lifetime, and I am not sure it is being recognized as such. So what are the pros/cons for 2005 and 2010? Well, 2005 is a dense beast of a vintage, and I am not sure when if ever the wi...
by Keith Levenberg
September 5th, 2019, 6:19 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The Brian Devine Cellar
Replies: 43
Views: 3731

Re: The Brian Devine Cellar

William Kelley wrote:
August 30th, 2019, 6:57 pm
Makes one wonder, what exactly is wrong with the 2005 vintage?
Boomers' actuarial tables

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