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by Keith Levenberg
September 17th, 2019, 8:30 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: A Humble Evening at Bern's, Some Observations, and the Omnipresence of Rolland in My Life
Replies: 66
Views: 3851

Re: A Humble Evening at Bern's, Some Observations, and the Omnipresence of Rolland in My Life

I am pretty sure there are no 1918s left, and the '20s-'40s are now mostly reduced to off-vintages. But some of those off-vintages are still great bottles because the provenance is so good. Note that there are still some wines on the printed list which are no longer available (they can only print th...
by Keith Levenberg
September 15th, 2019, 10:01 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Barolo Sediment
Replies: 51
Views: 1506

Re: Barolo Sediment

Doesn't matter how fine the sediment is, if gravity is capable of settling it on the bottom of the bottle, it's also capable of keeping it on the underside of the bottle when the bottle is in a sideways position being poured. By contrast, if you're worried about disturbing fine sediment, what do you...
by Keith Levenberg
September 15th, 2019, 8:44 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Barolo Sediment
Replies: 51
Views: 1506

Re: Barolo Sediment

Anywhere from zero to a hundred years old or so
by Keith Levenberg
September 15th, 2019, 7:39 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Barolo Sediment
Replies: 51
Views: 1506

Re: Barolo Sediment

Works with any wine. The sediment is perfectly settled on the side of the bottle, which is the bottom of the bottle when the bottle is on its side, which is the position you're pouring from.
by Keith Levenberg
September 15th, 2019, 6:19 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Any recs for lunch in or around Beaune?
Replies: 21
Views: 867

Re: Any recs for lunch in or around Beaune?

Saturday is market day in Beaune - skip the restaurants and put together some cheese, sausage, pate, etc. for a picnic you'll never forget.
by Keith Levenberg
September 15th, 2019, 5:25 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Barolo Sediment
Replies: 51
Views: 1506

Re: Barolo Sediment

You don't have to keep a bottle upright to decant off its sediment. As soon as you start pouring the bottle, you've just put the thing on its side anyway, so what was the point of standing it up for a month? Just take the bottle from the cellar, decant slowly and carefully, and you'll get it off the...
by Keith Levenberg
September 15th, 2019, 11:08 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: More Bottom Feeding @ Total Wine...(short/boring)
Replies: 33
Views: 1602

Re: TN: More Bottom Feeding @ Total Wine...(short/boring)

These are terroir wines, you know! They're unique to its appellations! "Crafted by multi-talented winemaker, Allison Crowe for Plata Wine Partners, she has crafted a long-term relationship with the vineyards to craft wines that are unique to its appellations." - https://www.totalwine.com/wine/brand/...
by Keith Levenberg
September 15th, 2019, 11:04 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: More Bottom Feeding @ Total Wine...(short/boring)
Replies: 33
Views: 1602

Re: TN: More Bottom Feeding @ Total Wine...(short/boring)

Maybe it just needs more time in the cellar. [rofl.gif]
by Keith Levenberg
September 15th, 2019, 11:02 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: For BAMA fans...
Replies: 50
Views: 1969

Re: For BAMA fans...

I haven't had enough of these to get a handle on what kind of bottle variation there is, which doesn't bother me in itself but can be a dealbreaker depending on the cause of the variation - so what's the cause here? Low tech or low sulfur? Makes a big difference. It's the difference between some lot...
by Keith Levenberg
September 6th, 2019, 7:02 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Underrated burgundy vintages
Replies: 76
Views: 3333

Re: Underrated burgundy vintages

in. I still have a handful of the good '04s
by Keith Levenberg
September 6th, 2019, 6:38 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Underrated burgundy vintages
Replies: 76
Views: 3333

Re: Underrated burgundy vintages

Welcome to Lake Wobegon, where all vintages are above average. If one looks at vintages of the last 10-15 years only in comparison with each other, of course all of the vintages cannot be above average. But, if one looks at the vintages of even the last 20 years in comparison with other vintages ov...
by Keith Levenberg
September 6th, 2019, 6:32 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Underrated burgundy vintages
Replies: 76
Views: 3333

Re: Underrated burgundy vintages

Personally I think 2010 is underrated. Of course, everyone loves it, but it may well be the greatest vintage of my lifetime, and I am not sure it is being recognized as such. I totally agree and almost wrote that. 2010's are pretty expensive, and not too easy to find, and pretty universally lauded....
by Keith Levenberg
September 6th, 2019, 6:24 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Underrated burgundy vintages
Replies: 76
Views: 3333

Re: Underrated burgundy vintages

Personally I think 2010 is underrated. Of course, everyone loves it, but it may well be the greatest vintage of my lifetime, and I am not sure it is being recognized as such. So what are the pros/cons for 2005 and 2010? Well, 2005 is a dense beast of a vintage, and I am not sure when if ever the wi...
by Keith Levenberg
September 5th, 2019, 6:19 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The Brian Devine Cellar
Replies: 43
Views: 3411

Re: The Brian Devine Cellar

William Kelley wrote:
August 30th, 2019, 6:57 pm
Makes one wonder, what exactly is wrong with the 2005 vintage?
Boomers' actuarial tables
by Keith Levenberg
September 5th, 2019, 6:10 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wine dinner/event investment fraud scheme - Omar Khan
Replies: 25
Views: 2376

Re: Wine dinner/event investment fraud scheme

Weird story and a weirder news article since I have no better idea what the guy did than before I read the article. Nice chuckle, though, at this line which would tend to suggest his marks really fell down on their due diligence: "claimed ties to famous names like Philippe Rothschild of the Mouton w...
by Keith Levenberg
September 5th, 2019, 6:05 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Underrated burgundy vintages
Replies: 76
Views: 3333

Re: Underrated burgundy vintages

The PC thing to say about Burgundy is how each and every vintage is lovely in its own special little way. Hardly PC though - it's entirely true. Basically every vintage has its moment. Catching it at the right time is the hard part. Nah, it's silly. There are still plenty years you can sit out and ...
by Keith Levenberg
September 4th, 2019, 9:39 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Underrated burgundy vintages
Replies: 76
Views: 3333

Re: Underrated burgundy vintages

2001 was underrated by Pierre Rovani and overrated by everybody else. I dunno how many truly underrated vintages there really are. The PC thing to say about Burgundy is how each and every vintage is lovely in its own special little way.
by Keith Levenberg
August 30th, 2019, 10:03 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 1954 Romanée Conti belongs to my 5 best Romanée Conti
Replies: 26
Views: 3185

Re: 1954 Romanée Conti belongs to my 5 best Romanée Conti

So his theory is basically that the old dead vines made for good compost - would seem feasible to replicate if so!
by Keith Levenberg
August 28th, 2019, 1:24 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Phases of Aging Riesling
Replies: 57
Views: 2082

Re: Phases of Aging Riesling

I might add a flab phase after the mute phase, and overlapping with the fruit phase, in which dissipating spritz makes the wine taste sweeter and softer than it did on release. Then you're at the fork in the road where the bad ones hold on to the spare tire the rest of their lives and the good ones ...
by Keith Levenberg
August 28th, 2019, 12:02 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Phases of Aging Riesling
Replies: 57
Views: 2082

Re: Phases of Aging Riesling

It is really tough to make generalizations about the development curve of a category with so much variation in sugar, acid, and CO2 content. Spatlese and Auslese can range from perceptibly near-dry to sickeningly sweet and lots in between.
by Keith Levenberg
August 14th, 2019, 10:45 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 09 Wine
Replies: 41
Views: 2132

Re: 09 Wine

I agree the issue with 2009 is far more often a certain listlessness than overripeness - the EEG remark is funny. But if the 1959s came out fine, hard to imagine the 2009s won't.
by Keith Levenberg
August 13th, 2019, 7:19 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Napa wine tastings for my wife
Replies: 55
Views: 2349

Re: Napa wine tastings for my wife

Next Alfert thread topics:
"Help my wife find a Caymus killer"
"How long were you on the Saxum waiting list before you got an offer? (asking for my wife)"
"My, uh, wife wants to know if $300 is the new $150"
by Keith Levenberg
August 8th, 2019, 7:15 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Visits to Sociando-M, HBL, Gruaud and Lafon-Rochet - rather long!
Replies: 13
Views: 706

Re: Visits to Sociando-M, HBL, Gruaud and Lafon-Rochet - rather long!

That Sociando shop sounds like the only thing it's missing is some Oompa-Loompas
by Keith Levenberg
August 5th, 2019, 8:19 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 1999 Chateau Musar (Lebanon, Bekaa Valley)
Replies: 15
Views: 659

Re: TN: 1999 Chateau Musar (Lebanon, Bekaa Valley)

Sounds corked. Good bottles should be very aromatic. If nothing else, you oughta be able to smell the brett. :)
by Keith Levenberg
August 3rd, 2019, 9:43 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2005 Dom Perignon-anyone else have issues?
Replies: 2
Views: 395

Re: 2005 Dom Perignon-anyone else have issues?

Terry Theise on the vintage: "2005 has a common flaw, under the heading of rot. There’s no consensus as regards which rot it may be, or if there’s more than one. The most plausible theories I heard were, one, a rot attacking the actual flowers that could not be seen at the time and of course could n...
by Keith Levenberg
August 3rd, 2019, 9:32 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Rhys fined $3.76M for illegally diverting water in Anderson Valley
Replies: 359
Views: 26879

Re: Rhys fined $3.76M for illegally diverting water in Anderson Valley

Sounds like someone got Water Boarded, all right. Pretty disappointing to see so many rush to judgment against a longtime member of the community on the basis of vague news reports quoting one side that's free to wage war in the press against another one that isn't.
by Keith Levenberg
August 1st, 2019, 9:00 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Haut Bailly vs. Les Carmes Haut Brion
Replies: 31
Views: 2061

Re: Haut Bailly vs. Les Carmes Haut Brion

Answer is that they're not remotely perfect substitutes - hard to think of two Bordeaux more different from each other in fact. Les Carmes is an unusual wine for Graves and even for Bordeaux as a whole. The blend relies heavily on cabernet franc and they've been using all sorts of hip new winemaking...
by Keith Levenberg
July 28th, 2019, 10:36 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Terry Theise’s 2018 Germany Vintage Report
Replies: 78
Views: 3940

Re: Terry Theise’s 2018 Germany Vintage Report

percentage = read "perception"
by Keith Levenberg
July 28th, 2019, 10:35 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Terry Theise’s 2018 Germany Vintage Report
Replies: 78
Views: 3940

Re: Terry Theise’s 2018 Germany Vintage Report

Speaking of which, can any of you kindly answer my question: even if a vintage is very acidic when it's released, isn't it true that eventually the acid in most Rieslings will mellow out? Yes, I wish I'd been taking notes when the chemistry of this was explained to me, but the layman's version is t...
by Keith Levenberg
July 28th, 2019, 8:11 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Terry Theise’s 2018 Germany Vintage Report
Replies: 78
Views: 3940

Re: Terry Theise’s 2018 Germany Vintage Report

Speaking of which, can any of you kindly answer my question: even if a vintage is very acidic when it's released, isn't it true that eventually the acid in most Rieslings will mellow out? Yes, I wish I'd been taking notes when the chemistry of this was explained to me, but the layman's version is t...
by Keith Levenberg
July 26th, 2019, 5:00 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2016 Hubert Lignier Morey St Denis 1er VV - best sub $200 burgundy out there?
Replies: 130
Views: 6690

Re: 2016 Hubert Lignier Morey St Denis 1er VV - best sub $200 burgundy out there?

This is a sad thread. Reflects how quickly Burgundy prices have been going up, basically doubling in the last five years. I looked up a few wines which I figured should be on this list, and was shocked at what they were fetching. Left me with a couple of Chevillons, Caille and Vaucrains, as well as...
by Keith Levenberg
July 25th, 2019, 1:16 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2016 Hubert Lignier Morey St Denis 1er VV - best sub $200 burgundy out there?
Replies: 130
Views: 6690

Re: 2016 Hubert Lignier Morey St Denis 1er VV - best sub $200 burgundy out there?

Fu I agree with you that the Lignier MSD VV of late is super terrific. I think there a few other greats of late. Trapet has been blistering lately. Lafon Santenots has been on fire. Dujac msd, Chambolle I don't think any of these are at the level of the Lignier VV. M-G Chaignots, Bachelet Corbeaux,...
by Keith Levenberg
July 24th, 2019, 7:02 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2016 Hubert Lignier Morey St Denis 1er VV - best sub $200 burgundy out there?
Replies: 130
Views: 6690

Re: 2016 Hubert Lignier Morey St Denis 1er VV - best sub $200 burgundy out there?

What % of Burgundy is sub-$200? 99.99%? Even among fancy 1er crus, there are boatloads sub-$200, not a shabby assortment of grand crus in that range either. At that point it's just a matter of taste, not "best." But Lignier's been a highly regarded domaine for decades so there is some serious brand ...
by Keith Levenberg
July 24th, 2019, 12:45 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The Rising Price of Cornas
Replies: 210
Views: 10407

Re: The Rising Price of Cornas

Maybe this is the wrong way to look at it but: - If you want to drink the "top of the line" Burgundy it will run you $3,000 a bottle in an average vintage and $5,000 in a great vintage. - If you want to drink the "top of the line" Barolo it will run you $700 a bottle in an average vintage and $1,20...
by Keith Levenberg
July 24th, 2019, 10:44 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2015 Bordeaux
Replies: 20
Views: 1403

Re: 2015 Bordeaux

Brane-Cantenac
by Keith Levenberg
July 24th, 2019, 7:18 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Burgundy | Baie par Baie "technique"
Replies: 18
Views: 922

Re: Burgundy | Baie par Baie "technique"

Jack Linden wrote:
July 24th, 2019, 2:13 am
Grapes destemmed by hand, one by one, to ensure they’re unbroken for vinification (baie is Burgundian for a single grape).
The English translation is bae
by Keith Levenberg
July 22nd, 2019, 7:45 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Chinese Food Wine Pairing Suggestions
Replies: 27
Views: 950

Re: Chinese Food Wine Pairing Suggestions

Kung pao has spice? Lol. +1 [rofl.gif] Not sure why this is a laughing point. I've never seen a recipe for kung pao chicken that doesn't call for chilis and Sichuan peppercorns. It's not thermonuclear heat but nor is it without spice. The pic is definitely a westernized version, but an excellent wi...
by Keith Levenberg
July 20th, 2019, 4:19 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Older Bordeauxs 50+ years vs newer <50 year old?
Replies: 37
Views: 2337

Re: Older Bordeauxs 50+ years vs newer <50 year old?

Something's not adding up here - A Seattle Somm told me that something had changed that raised the sugars of the older ones but not the more "recent" vintages vs. We were all amazed at how fresh and light the 1947 was actually a little lighter/sweeter/a little more like a burgundy than the 1981, whi...
by Keith Levenberg
July 18th, 2019, 9:36 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Question about Burgundy Vineyards
Replies: 17
Views: 1009

Re: Question about Burgundy Vineyards

This is what the Coase theorem would suggest. The fact that it hasn't happened yet indicates that something has made the transaction costs very high. You can't leave cultural factors out of the equation. In many cases, plots have been in families for generations or centuries. They don't look at the...
by Keith Levenberg
July 18th, 2019, 8:14 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Question about Burgundy Vineyards
Replies: 17
Views: 1009

Re: Question about Burgundy Vineyards

This is what the Coase theorem would suggest. The fact that it hasn't happened yet indicates that something has made the transaction costs very high.
by Keith Levenberg
July 13th, 2019, 3:58 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Solved:The annoying thing about the Burghound Barzelay book
Replies: 15
Views: 2401

Re: The annoying thing about the Burghound Barzelay book

I’m sure I’m in the minority, but I find the book interesting but frankly not all that useful. I’m not sure I need Doug and Allen to tell me that DRC, Rousseau, Dujac, Mugnier and the like - and their higher end wines at that - are good, and whether those wines are good doesn’t really tell me much ...
by Keith Levenberg
July 10th, 2019, 11:09 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Mark Squires' BB to close for good - UPDATED (WA sold to Michelin)
Replies: 247
Views: 13935

Re: Mark Squires' BB to close for good

Parker was brilliant to close his board to non-subscribers and to have Squires run the board like a tyrant. I mean, it sucked for those of us who were non-subscribers or didn't line up with his wine preferences, but the dude sold his company for $15M by positioning himself as the supreme arbiter of...
by Keith Levenberg
July 9th, 2019, 8:05 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Does Modern Bdx Need 20-Years of Aging to Drink Well?
Replies: 130
Views: 7076

Re: Does Modern Bdx Need 20-Years of Aging to Drink Well?

Found it! I have no idea whose page this is: http://www.wine-people.com/paradise_at_the_milton_wine.htm It also links to Mark Squires' account: http://marksquires.com/novdec96.htm#nov1 It's mostly like what I said above but even trickier. Coche-Dury and Leroy white burgundies mixed not just with Mar...
by Keith Levenberg
July 9th, 2019, 7:55 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Does Modern Bdx Need 20-Years of Aging to Drink Well?
Replies: 130
Views: 7076

Re: Does Modern Bdx Need 20-Years of Aging to Drink Well?

Somewhere on the interwebs there is an account of the Parker/Callahan tasting, I forget whose - maybe can be salvaged from the Squires board before it goes down - but it's a fascinating piece of history. This was from a simpler time when many drew the battle lines between old world and new world, as...
by Keith Levenberg
July 9th, 2019, 7:29 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: James Molesworth on Natural wine
Replies: 31
Views: 2460

Re: James Molesworth on Natural wine

woah, thermonuclear hot take that I haven't seen since literally every other gripe about natural wine for the last decade and a half.
by Keith Levenberg
July 4th, 2019, 12:33 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Mark Squires' BB to close for good - UPDATED (WA sold to Michelin)
Replies: 247
Views: 13935

Re: Mark Squires' BB to close for good

Is it welcoming now? Seems quite clicky, but I get that it fills a niche for some. It's still clicky and, unfortunately, not as vital as it once was as few of its most valuable participants and friends of mine, have died. But on the positive side it’s not as clicky and idiosyncratic as Todd experie...
by Keith Levenberg
July 4th, 2019, 11:51 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Mark Squires' BB to close for good - UPDATED (WA sold to Michelin)
Replies: 247
Views: 13935

Re: Mark Squires' BB to close for good

The anti-ITB sentiment originated in Parker's branding of himself as the "no conflicts of interest" consumer crusader. Loads of nobodies on his board decided that the way to raise their status and be somebodies was to act like they were Parker's little deputies, like Parker was going to personally a...
by Keith Levenberg
July 3rd, 2019, 5:47 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: New grapes approved for Bordeaux
Replies: 32
Views: 2016

Re: New grapes approved for Bordeaux

There is no doubt that the bee is the hero of this story.
by Keith Levenberg
July 2nd, 2019, 7:30 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: New grapes approved for Bordeaux
Replies: 32
Views: 2016

Re: New grapes approved for Bordeaux

Not gonna settle for anything less than a $30k bottle of Tarney-Coulant.
https://www.wine-searcher.com/m/2019/07 ... s-burgundy

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