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by Keith Levenberg
July 20th, 2019, 4:19 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Older Bordeauxs 50+ years vs newer <50 year old?
Replies: 11
Views: 341

Re: Older Bordeauxs 50+ years vs newer <50 year old?

Something's not adding up here - A Seattle Somm told me that something had changed that raised the sugars of the older ones but not the more "recent" vintages vs. We were all amazed at how fresh and light the 1947 was actually a little lighter/sweeter/a little more like a burgundy than the 1981, whi...
by Keith Levenberg
July 18th, 2019, 9:36 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Question about Burgundy Vineyards
Replies: 17
Views: 782

Re: Question about Burgundy Vineyards

This is what the Coase theorem would suggest. The fact that it hasn't happened yet indicates that something has made the transaction costs very high. You can't leave cultural factors out of the equation. In many cases, plots have been in families for generations or centuries. They don't look at the...
by Keith Levenberg
July 18th, 2019, 8:14 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Question about Burgundy Vineyards
Replies: 17
Views: 782

Re: Question about Burgundy Vineyards

This is what the Coase theorem would suggest. The fact that it hasn't happened yet indicates that something has made the transaction costs very high.
by Keith Levenberg
July 13th, 2019, 3:58 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Solved:The annoying thing about the Burghound Barzelay book
Replies: 15
Views: 2242

Re: The annoying thing about the Burghound Barzelay book

I’m sure I’m in the minority, but I find the book interesting but frankly not all that useful. I’m not sure I need Doug and Allen to tell me that DRC, Rousseau, Dujac, Mugnier and the like - and their higher end wines at that - are good, and whether those wines are good doesn’t really tell me much ...
by Keith Levenberg
July 10th, 2019, 11:09 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Mark Squires' BB to close for good - UPDATED (WA sold to Michelin)
Replies: 247
Views: 12951

Re: Mark Squires' BB to close for good

Parker was brilliant to close his board to non-subscribers and to have Squires run the board like a tyrant. I mean, it sucked for those of us who were non-subscribers or didn't line up with his wine preferences, but the dude sold his company for $15M by positioning himself as the supreme arbiter of...
by Keith Levenberg
July 9th, 2019, 8:05 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Does Modern Bdx Need 20-Years of Aging to Drink Well?
Replies: 130
Views: 6606

Re: Does Modern Bdx Need 20-Years of Aging to Drink Well?

Found it! I have no idea whose page this is: http://www.wine-people.com/paradise_at_the_milton_wine.htm It also links to Mark Squires' account: http://marksquires.com/novdec96.htm#nov1 It's mostly like what I said above but even trickier. Coche-Dury and Leroy white burgundies mixed not just with Mar...
by Keith Levenberg
July 9th, 2019, 7:55 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Does Modern Bdx Need 20-Years of Aging to Drink Well?
Replies: 130
Views: 6606

Re: Does Modern Bdx Need 20-Years of Aging to Drink Well?

Somewhere on the interwebs there is an account of the Parker/Callahan tasting, I forget whose - maybe can be salvaged from the Squires board before it goes down - but it's a fascinating piece of history. This was from a simpler time when many drew the battle lines between old world and new world, as...
by Keith Levenberg
July 9th, 2019, 7:29 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: James Molesworth on Natural wine
Replies: 31
Views: 2276

Re: James Molesworth on Natural wine

woah, thermonuclear hot take that I haven't seen since literally every other gripe about natural wine for the last decade and a half.
by Keith Levenberg
July 4th, 2019, 12:33 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Mark Squires' BB to close for good - UPDATED (WA sold to Michelin)
Replies: 247
Views: 12951

Re: Mark Squires' BB to close for good

Is it welcoming now? Seems quite clicky, but I get that it fills a niche for some. It's still clicky and, unfortunately, not as vital as it once was as few of its most valuable participants and friends of mine, have died. But on the positive side it’s not as clicky and idiosyncratic as Todd experie...
by Keith Levenberg
July 4th, 2019, 11:51 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Mark Squires' BB to close for good - UPDATED (WA sold to Michelin)
Replies: 247
Views: 12951

Re: Mark Squires' BB to close for good

The anti-ITB sentiment originated in Parker's branding of himself as the "no conflicts of interest" consumer crusader. Loads of nobodies on his board decided that the way to raise their status and be somebodies was to act like they were Parker's little deputies, like Parker was going to personally a...
by Keith Levenberg
July 3rd, 2019, 5:47 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: New grapes approved for Bordeaux
Replies: 32
Views: 1768

Re: New grapes approved for Bordeaux

There is no doubt that the bee is the hero of this story.
by Keith Levenberg
July 2nd, 2019, 7:30 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: New grapes approved for Bordeaux
Replies: 32
Views: 1768

Re: New grapes approved for Bordeaux

Not gonna settle for anything less than a $30k bottle of Tarney-Coulant.
https://www.wine-searcher.com/m/2019/07 ... s-burgundy
by Keith Levenberg
July 2nd, 2019, 7:54 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2016 Ch. Calon-Ségur - what a beauty
Replies: 49
Views: 3814

Re: 2016 Ch. Calon-Ségur - what a beauty

I had the '16 Calon yesterday as well. It's a beauty indeed - Martin's note nails it - and I didn't notice any oak (even the typical St.-Estephe pencils was more like pencil fillings than pencil shavings). While it's premature to get on the 99 points/Best Calon ever! hype machine, I think the whole ...
by Keith Levenberg
July 1st, 2019, 7:53 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Love for Domaine Chevalier
Replies: 148
Views: 5244

Re: Love for Domaine Chevalier

Thanks guys. And FWIW I wasn’t comparing Bordeaux to Burgundy either. I simply stated opinion of one of the so called Bordeaux experts ‘People who like Pinot, tend to like Figeac’. Rightly or wrongly I interpreted that as Figeac tends to be a lighter wine vs Ducru. Sounds like a very idiosyncratic ...
by Keith Levenberg
June 30th, 2019, 8:11 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: The "Clos" dinner - aka Burgundies from Clos, or "walled" plots
Replies: 22
Views: 1471

Re: TN: The "Clos" dinner - aka Burgundies from Clos, or "walled" plots

By this logic, I could host a Pre-phylloxera Vines Dinner of Burgundy from 2016 and the like, because at one point in history those would have been pre-phylloxera vines. Not by any rules of logic that make any sense in this universe, unless you think you can actually taste the presence or absence o...
by Keith Levenberg
June 30th, 2019, 10:51 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Love for Domaine Chevalier
Replies: 148
Views: 5244

Re: Love for Domaine Chevalier

KEITH LEVENBERG WROTE: 99 points August 8, 2012 - Instant Graves goodness, no doubt about where this one is coming from. Such detailed, complex aromatics - mixing smokiness with something mealy along with the enticing scent of something flambéeing in a pan. All of that and more show up on the palat...
by Keith Levenberg
June 30th, 2019, 8:18 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: The "Clos" dinner - aka Burgundies from Clos, or "walled" plots
Replies: 22
Views: 1471

Re: TN: The "Clos" dinner - aka Burgundies from Clos, or "walled" plots

Not any more, but it was once! By this logic, I could host a Pre-phylloxera Vines Dinner of Burgundy from 2016 and the like, because at one point in history those would have been pre-phylloxera vines. Not by any rules of logic that make any sense in this universe, unless you think you can actually ...
by Keith Levenberg
June 30th, 2019, 8:09 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Love for Domaine Chevalier
Replies: 148
Views: 5244

Re: Love for Domaine Chevalier

The 1924 is the best DDC ever.
by Keith Levenberg
June 26th, 2019, 8:20 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Supreme Court, and wine.
Replies: 170
Views: 8669

Re: Supreme Court, and wine.

Under the reasoning of the Tennessee case, I don't see any way the bans on interstate retailing can survive. The short answer is that the case says that each legislative scheme has to be evaluated individually "based on its own features" and that they can pass muster if justified by legitimate heal...
by Keith Levenberg
June 26th, 2019, 8:29 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Supreme Court, and wine.
Replies: 170
Views: 8669

Re: Supreme Court, and wine.

Chris S p i k e s wrote:
June 26th, 2019, 7:29 am
I'd love to hear some of you smart attorneys interpret and opine on the implications of this decision and where things go from here.
more litigation
by Keith Levenberg
June 26th, 2019, 8:13 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Supreme Court, and wine.
Replies: 170
Views: 8669

Re: Supreme Court, and wine.

Here is the passage people will want to cite in arguing that Granholm must now be read to cover retail sales as well as winery sales: The Association and the dissent point out that Granholm repeatedly spoke of discrimination against out-of-state products and producers, but there is an obvious explan...
by Keith Levenberg
June 25th, 2019, 11:12 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Expressions of Tempranillo - Ribera vs Rioja
Replies: 17
Views: 1023

Re: Expressions of Tempranillo - Ribera vs Rioja

In general there's no need to pay much attention to the oak in classic Rioja. It's made for long aging, and also given a long elevage. So the American oak signatures often stick out when they're newly released, but they're seldom an issue later on, except in years that are on the seriously underfrui...
by Keith Levenberg
June 20th, 2019, 7:47 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: It's critic bingo! ("vertical in feel")
Replies: 786
Views: 35884

Re: It's critic bingo! ("vertical in feel")

Elitist? There is a Klimt poster in 1 out of every 5 freshman dorm rooms. #nerds I had Farrah Fawcet. But, I also didn't go to Columbia or Harvard. https://i.etsystatic.com/16090117/r/il/7ef827/1708916306/il_794xN.1708916306_13lr.jpg Worked great with tasting notes for beer. And still does. Looks l...
by Keith Levenberg
June 20th, 2019, 11:33 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: It's critic bingo! ("vertical in feel")
Replies: 786
Views: 35884

Re: It's critic bingo! ("vertical in feel")

I take Keith's point both about Klimt and about elitism. People who drink 1st growth bordeaux should not accuse others of elitism. They live in one of the largest glass houses on the block. There is indeed something a bit off-kilter about finding a tasting note on Dom Perignon Oenotheque insufficie...
by Keith Levenberg
June 20th, 2019, 11:15 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: It's critic bingo! ("vertical in feel")
Replies: 786
Views: 35884

Re: It's critic bingo! ("vertical in feel")

Elitist? There is a Klimt poster in 1 out of every 5 freshman dorm rooms.
by Keith Levenberg
June 20th, 2019, 9:34 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: It's critic bingo! ("vertical in feel")
Replies: 786
Views: 35884

Re: It's critic bingo! ("vertical in feel")

I also don't see the particular point of Klimt vs. any other artist, so in that sense, it was just showing off. Still, I'd prefer such impressionistic metaphors to all the foolish phrases reported on here, which are so much empty verbiage. Impressionistic metaphors are hit or miss, but that's bette...
by Keith Levenberg
June 19th, 2019, 8:24 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: It's critic bingo! ("vertical in feel")
Replies: 786
Views: 35884

Re: It's critic bingo! ("vertical in feel")

I just got an email quoting Decanter on the 2002 Dom Perignon P2 Plenitude Brut: "Gustav Klimt in a glass." Well, ok then. Is that like Sir Walter Raleigh in a can? Bravo, good find. Here's the whole note, which should be slowly and patiently savored like fine aged Parmigiano: "And so from P1 methu...
by Keith Levenberg
June 13th, 2019, 8:03 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: So who here bought the Gonon Vieilles Vignes?
Replies: 20
Views: 2288

Re: So who here bought the Gonon Vieilles Vignes?

So it's risen almost to the price of Trollat, even though they aren't retired. Having never had either Trollat or Gonon VV, do people who have had both think that, given they have Trollat's vineyards, they are really making the same wine? I've never had a Trollat but I've had all the Gonon VVs and ...
by Keith Levenberg
June 12th, 2019, 4:45 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: It's critic bingo! ("vertical in feel")
Replies: 786
Views: 35884

Re: It's critic bingo! ("vertical in feel")

John, you are being too nice. To me he seems to be saying that a crappy wine tastes good. It's like he sneezed, sharted, then gave it a 92. Please forgive me if that's too crass, ill take it down if it is. Wait, this is actually useful information. Every wine is either a total shart or a striking b...
by Keith Levenberg
June 9th, 2019, 6:50 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Does Modern Bdx Need 20-Years of Aging to Drink Well?
Replies: 130
Views: 6606

Re: Does Modern Bdx Need 20-Years of Aging to Drink Well?

Oh, Bern's cellars are no colder than any other good wine cellar. Keep in mind the real oldies there spent their first few decades of life elsewhere, anyway. (They opened in the late '50s - obviously didn't buy their 1924s on futures.) So you, too, can have a Bern's-quality cellar! All you need is a...
by Keith Levenberg
June 8th, 2019, 6:10 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: It's critic bingo! ("vertical in feel")
Replies: 786
Views: 35884

Re: It's critic bingo! ("vertical in feel")

Not bad, but what the heck is "symmetrical focus"? That definitely goes on your bingo card. There are actually two simultaneous games going on here worth disentangling. There is the bingo card and the reverse bingo card. The bingo card is for pet expressions, preferably malapropisms worthy of socia...
by Keith Levenberg
June 7th, 2019, 5:49 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Does Modern Bdx Need 20-Years of Aging to Drink Well?
Replies: 130
Views: 6606

Re: Does Modern Bdx Need 20-Years of Aging to Drink Well?

2000s still taste very young for the most part, even primary, but they're enjoyable and not closed. 2005/2009/2010 also young, but generally closed and not enjoyable in my book. I don't remember which of these vintages had stupid people saying, "such wonderful ripe fruit! Won't ever close!" - well, ...
by Keith Levenberg
June 6th, 2019, 8:20 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Does Modern Bdx Need 20-Years of Aging to Drink Well?
Replies: 130
Views: 6606

Re: Does Modern Bdx Need 20-Years of Aging to Drink Well?

About a month ago Jeb Dunnuck wrote: Screenshot_20190511-230825_Messages.jpg Sorry, I'm new here... are you telling me people actually pay for this kind of misinformation? I had a 1928 Bordeaux last night and can assure all concerned that it isn't remotely the same experience as a young wine made w...
by Keith Levenberg
November 17th, 2018, 5:29 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: Chateau La Conseillante Dinner with Marielle Cazaux
Replies: 22
Views: 1189

Re: TN: Chateau La Conseillante Dinner with Marielle Cazaux

I will back Kevin on the 1990, and since like 2 people independently called me a necrophiliac in the last week alone I don't think anyone will accuse me of "fruit driven" tastes. This was an epic wine a decade ago - the bottles at this dinner were lovely (I tasted from two) but a ways off from where...
by Keith Levenberg
July 21st, 2017, 5:45 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Allen Meadows, Burghound.
Replies: 632
Views: 44887

Allen Meadows, Burghound.

How clear the positions of Keith and apparently Charlie are on the welcome women face here - and while I totally disagree with Matt's position on Meadows, he is precisely right when he says "the fact that Russell’s original comment struck her differently from the way it struck you and me serves to ...
by Keith Levenberg
July 20th, 2017, 8:06 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Allen Meadows, Burghound.
Replies: 632
Views: 44887

Allen Meadows, Burghound.

I think there's a place for discussion of implicit male privilege How about on the Politics forum? Discussion of sexist rhetoric used when addressing women who post about wine, and women ITB who post about wine , belongs on the wine portion of the board, as far as I am concerned. Discussions of wha...
by Keith Levenberg
July 20th, 2017, 7:24 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Zachys to open new shop in DC
Replies: 35
Views: 2371

Zachys to open new shop in DC

This ought to be enough space to satisfy the local Burgundy cravings.
by Keith Levenberg
July 20th, 2017, 6:54 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Allen Meadows, Burghound.
Replies: 632
Views: 44887

Allen Meadows, Burghound.

KatrinaBI wrote:I think there's a place for discussion of implicit male privilege
How about on the Politics forum?
by Keith Levenberg
July 16th, 2017, 8:31 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: US Pinots similar in style and quality to Rhys
Replies: 113
Views: 7246

US Pinots similar in style and quality to Rhys

Eyrie and Rhys are very very different, but they are my two favorite pinot producers in the US.
by Keith Levenberg
July 15th, 2017, 2:53 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: wine relocation services and cost
Replies: 18
Views: 1382

wine relocation services and cost

Try Taskrabbit.
by Keith Levenberg
July 14th, 2017, 4:43 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Allen Meadows, Burghound.
Replies: 632
Views: 44887

Allen Meadows, Burghound.

Todd F r e n c h wrote:Guys, stop with the politics
So how come the Critical Gender Studies discussion is allowed to keep going?
by Keith Levenberg
July 11th, 2017, 10:40 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Burgundy 2014 vs 2015?
Replies: 49
Views: 3640

Burgundy 2014 vs 2015?

Maybe two dozen or so. I think it'll beat 2010 in my book. Can't wait till shipping season!
by Keith Levenberg
July 11th, 2017, 10:32 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: US Pinots similar in style and quality to Rhys
Replies: 113
Views: 7246

US Pinots similar in style and quality to Rhys

Mount Eden and Varner (or whatever they're calling it now) are other Santa Cruz pinots that'll please Old World palates, but Rhys is the best.
by Keith Levenberg
July 11th, 2017, 12:45 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Allen Meadows, Burghound.
Replies: 632
Views: 44887

Allen Meadows, Burghound.

Well, that's kind of the point. And, by the same token, if male wine experts were routinely asked to stash their ego and put on a show of humility so that they could come off as more "attractive", it wouldn't smack of sexism either. Unfortunately, well beyond the big belllied egos of the wine world...
by Keith Levenberg
July 9th, 2017, 8:29 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Producers, where the critic's scores really don't matter, to you?
Replies: 68
Views: 2225

Producers, where the critic's scores really don't matter, to you?

KatrinaBI wrote:Currently extremely ticked off that Burlotto Monvigliero (which I buy year in and year out regardless) has essentially tripled in price for the 13 vintage b/c of Galloni's 100 point score.
+1. Just found out about this today. Been buying the wine for over a decade, never paid more than $55.
by Keith Levenberg
July 9th, 2017, 11:22 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Galloni on CBS was a roll out for a subscription Delectable.
Replies: 61
Views: 3755

Galloni on CBS was a roll out for a subscription Delectable.

If Antonio is able to get away with both 1) charging people money to read his reviews + 2) charging people money to write their own reviews, then color me impressed.
by Keith Levenberg
July 9th, 2017, 6:26 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Burgundy 2014 vs 2015?
Replies: 49
Views: 3640

Burgundy 2014 vs 2015?

I like 2014 a lot. But 2015 looks to be the best since 2005. When you taste them they are no-doubters. I'm with Peter on that one.
by Keith Levenberg
July 7th, 2017, 8:56 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Tire Company buys 40% of The Wine Advocate
Replies: 44
Views: 3792

Will Do...

Parker's base is 50 points General color and appearance can get up to 5 points Aroma and bouquet can get up to 15 points Flavor and finish up to 20 points...intensity,flavor,balance,cleanliness and depth and length Finally overall quality level or potential for further evolution and improvement...a...
by Keith Levenberg
July 6th, 2017, 8:06 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: RUDY KURNIAWAN & GLOBAL WINE AUCTION FRAUD THREAD (MERGED)
Replies: 8478
Views: 1192527

RUDY KURNIAWAN & GLOBAL WINE AUCTION FRAUD THREAD (MERGED)

First off; [cheers.gif] To the previous few posts. It's been shown that Rudy successfully used the auction system to pump up the price of his wines, often bidding up wines he was cooking. Prices did retreat after the scandal, but as a casual observer, I wonder what the long term price impact was. D...

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