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I usually agree with Pavel, who has inexplicably gone Berserk. But I think Br1an is right. We won’t know for a long time. I do think stars aligned in 2016. The wines are bigger than I prefer, but our grandchildren (literally or in wine geekdom) may well be taking about them with glee in 30-50 years...

Well, that is true for sure. If you've got a good 40 years to spare the demi-secs can pay dividends!

Likewise, sweet Chenin is nice, but I prefer Sauternes or Auslese Riesling. Sparkling Vouvray is nice, but not as good as Champagne. Dry white Chenin can be good, but I like Chardonnay more. I was intrigued by the ageability of Savennieres, bought a couple bottles with 20 yrs of age, and they were ...

I am picking 2010. Makes it easier that 1999 is not eligible. Again, 2000 for this purpose is in the 21st Century so we have 20 years. As someone who knows very little about Burgundy, what would be a good 1999 for ≈$500? (Or does that not exist anymore) That’s my sister’s birth year and if it’s a f...

I loved the 2017s when I tasted them in Burgundy and when I returned to the states I was told that no one who was "serious" about Burgundy was interested in the 2017s and it was all about the 2016s and 2018s. Whoever said that never read a wine board, where the "serious" Burgund...

Haut-Brion
Pichon-Lalande
Calon-Segur
Duhart-Milon
Grand-Puy-Lacoste

That's interesting. I had a sense that 2010 might be an earlier-maturing vintage, but I wouldn't have guessed 2009 as a later-maturing one. I haven't had much of either since release.

That's okay because the bell peppers don't belong in the kung pao chicken either! Try the Fuschia Dunlop recipe, much better.

Frederico L e e wrote: ↑January 17th, 2021, 5:12 pm Does smoked salmon work too?

Can't say for sure but the mere thought of it is making my mouth water.

Trouble deciding between 2000 and 2016 but can't really cast a fully informed vote because the price bubble that started with the '05s and then got seriously stupid with the '09s and '10s kept me from tasting as many of them on release as I otherwise would have. Fortunately the price bubble coincide...

I'm as game for a Huet lovefest as anyone, but before loading up on 2019s, how comfy are we they've kicked their premox problem? FFS. One vintage, dude. I've had iffy bottles from vintages more recent than 2002, but others have way more experience with Huet of this age than I do (I tend to tuck the...

Why do I feel that Mr. Galloni is consumed by the geometry of the cosmos, or at least of wine? We had a wine whose "aromatic reach is three-dimensional with width, height and depth" , one that was "totally spherical in its expression of black fruit" , and another that "exud...

I'm as game for a Huet lovefest as anyone, but before loading up on 2019s, how comfy are we they've kicked their premox problem?

https://wine-pages.com/wine-school/anni ... age-chart/

It would depend on 1. what, if anything, it was replaced with (obviously), and 2. (less obviously) how the FCC chooses to interpret what's left of the statute.

Good to see the 50/150s coming back, too bad we already couponed out their whole warehouse.

1. Nothing better than wine-searcher in finding what's currently for sale, but for stuff just coming in and which may be prone to selling quickly, find retailer email blasts to subscribe to. 2. I assume everyone else was thinking this too and was too polite to say it but you'll do way better taking ...

A.Gillette wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 4:52 pm
Michael S. Monie wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 9:59 am 2005 Mugnier Marechale is showing beautifully right now.
The 2005 mugnier marechale and chambolle are so lovely right now that I was tempted to open a Fuees but decided to hold back.

Can confirm the Fuees is a beauty at this moment as well.

Oliver McCrum wrote: ↑January 5th, 2021, 7:41 am Someone should invent a wine version of Pandora; if you like Pinot Noir you will like these other varieties.

CellarTracker has millions of data points it could use to power that algorithm and probably nail some recs to a way more specific level than grape variety..

Tried a couple from my case last year and was massively underwhelmed. Sold all my bottles and mags when they released the crazy 08 mag offers. Glad it has shown well for others but not remotely worth the tariff for me. Sold all mine as well. Every time I've had it it's struck me as a very good Cham...

Robert.A.Jr. wrote: ↑January 2nd, 2021, 5:23 pm our resident Jay Miller rave about it from time to time

who am I, chopped liver?

Wish I had clipped the threads from the old board from the height of the '05 buying frenzy when many people wisely predicted, "You know, in 10 or 15 years these are going to be shut down tight and you're all going to call them overrated" So the apologia was built into the plaudits? I thin...

Wish I had clipped the threads from the old board from the height of the '05 buying frenzy when many people wisely predicted, "You know, in 10 or 15 years these are going to be shut down tight and you're all going to call them overrated"

late to this thread but I'm just gonna assume everyone said Prum

Best of my buying career. It's a tier above 2010 in my book because it has both more stuffing and more refinement. Of course, that means they'll likely take longer than the 2010s to be ready. For those who find more recent vintages more in line with their style preferences as William suggested, 2015...

I also get the impression that the drinking windows in the pro reviews rarely start from 15+ years from vintage, even for the more valuable wines. With the exception of John Gilman's and maybe one or two other folks, drinking windows in the pro reviews are almost always bullshit. I think it started...

There are lots of expensive wines that are no better than $6 party chardonnay. Just because someone doesn't like a wine you like doesn't mean they had a flawed bottle. Sometimes the only reason for that cluster of 92-96 point scores is that people who aren't gonna like it would never buy it.

Plenty of good advice here. Yep, most all Bordeaux shuts down. Not always in a way that's easy to predict though. Some people talk about it like everything is a cup-and-handle curve but sometimes it flits back and forth. There are long-aging vintages that are better to drink at 10-15 years than they...

Not interested in blocking anybody. It's just good to know the shibboleths of wisdom and/or ignorance.

Curtis Chen wrote: ↑December 25th, 2020, 3:31 pm I view CT like I do Yelp—

Yelp makes it super-easy to ID the users who can't be trusted. Not sure there is a CT equivalent of "My boyfriend took me here for our anniversary..." but I suppose complaining that your 9-year-old Mouton is too tannic comes close.

I think Cellartracker is massively more useful for making wine purchasing choices than any single commercial critic, even great critics like William Kelley. CT wines with multiple notes have 1) lots of notes from bottle (realize not all CT notes are from bottle but usually all but the first one or ...

Here on WB and any other place you find oenophiles, Suckling is pretty much a running joke. I am somewhat surprised that we even waste mindshare discussing him anymore - but we do. That being said, if his goal is self-enrichment (as opposed to being a respected reviewer of wines), then his approach...

Mark Golodetz wrote: ↑December 25th, 2020, 4:55 am I have had other Leroys, and enjoyed them. However, how was Lalou able to raise something from a relatively humble appellation to justify the 15 times multiple?

She put her label on it?

bunch of oxidized '02s here. Haven't bought many since.

Wine scoring or rating is a controversial subject. A particular score by the Wine Advocate or Wine Spectator may carry a lot of weight for some and mean relatively little to others. For me, depending on the circumstances, the cellar tracker score can be the most useful or meaningful. When I say &qu...

Chris Seiber wrote: ↑December 20th, 2020, 12:08 am Looks like nobody sells Gallet in the USA. Too bad.

(Yes, I realize OP is in Europe.)

Fass Selections sells Gallet every vintage. Envoyer offers it on occasion too.

well, I've got nothing fresh to add. +1's on Levet, Champet, Gallet, and Barge.

Love this wine. Way back Kevin Harvey posted a strong rec of the VV of this and many board members loaded up. I didn't realize at the time there was an extra- VV in the form of this bottling but I bought some as soon as I heard of it and have been hoovering up more whenever I see them - if you want ...

Fried chicken

The definition of colloquialism refers to informal speech, a term one might use in conversation but not so much in an academic paper. The AH's diagnosis of the "usage problem" and its description of acronym as different from initialism in "strict usage" seems quite clearly to put...

If your experience is that acronym is a common colloquialism for abbreviation, you live among different just folks than I do--not that I've been living among many folks of any kind at all this past year. I must live among the type of folks who write the dictionary: https://www.merriam-webster.com/d...

Well Keith's correction of the abbreviation would still stand. He just committed a common sin of those who act the Mrs. Grundy with others, making errors while trying to be impressive by correcting the errors of others. No error. An intentional colloquialism. If your experience is that acronym is a...

Craig G wrote: ↑December 10th, 2020, 7:07 pm I’m imagining a bunch of old guys in the 1950’s arguing that the last classic vintage was sometime in the 30’s, what with those grotesque wines made in ‘45, ‘47 and ‘49.

No joke. Plenty of old texts saying nothing was ever the same after phylloxera.

Thank you for that stunning review. 2000 vintage is (like 1996) one of last so called classic vintages. 2001 may be also included. I have the same gut feeling but occasionally get trumped by people saying '81 was the last classic vintage... Regardless, I still see a dividing line between '00 and '0...

Thank you for that stunning review. 2000 vintage is (like 1996) one of last so called classic vintages. 2001 may be also included. I have the same gut feeling but occasionally get trumped by people saying '81 was the last classic vintage... Regardless, I still see a dividing line between '00 and '0...

Jonathan Loesberg wrote: ↑December 10th, 2020, 1:29 pm Well Keith's correction of the abbreviation would still stand. He just committed a common sin of those who act the Mrs. Grundy with others, making errors while trying to be impressive by correcting the errors of others.

No error. An intentional colloquialism.

Robert.A.Jr. wrote: ↑December 10th, 2020, 7:40 am
Laurent Gibet wrote: ↑December 10th, 2020, 7:21 am
Jürgen Steinke wrote: ↑December 10th, 2020, 3:43 am Many tasters complained about green notes in 2000 PLL when it was young.
What does PLL mean ?
Pichon LaLande

Acronym police here. It's Pichon-Longueville, [au Comtesse de] Lalande

Bien-sur, why wouldn't 2000 Bordeaux still be going strong? They'll outlive us all! Agree with Dale - nothing modern about 2000 Pichon Lalande and it was very much not a Black Forest Cake wine on release, nothing at all like Pape Clement either. If the other board were still around you could find a ...

Imagine thinking it's still excusable to make premox-prone wine as late as 2015

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