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by Carl Steefel
May 29th, 2020, 12:30 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Pontet-Canet 2019 is out - but couldn't find any review?
Replies: 26
Views: 1787

Re: Pontet-Canet 2019 is out - but couldn't find any review?

Mike J ewesson wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 11:52 am
Hmmmm... Wine Advocate just gave it a 98-100 barrel score. Turning out that even with the 25% tariff this seems to represent good value ($100).
Given the Wine Advocate predilection for big, bold, ripe wines, wasn't this a guaranteed rating??
by Carl Steefel
May 27th, 2020, 4:14 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Temperature Fluctuations In Passive Cellars
Replies: 97
Views: 6362

Re: Temperature Fluctuations In Passive Cellars

Al Osterheld wrote:
May 27th, 2020, 3:32 pm
Ah, I suppose that's the source of talking past each other. Note the original post was five and a half years ago, by OP I meant the one that restarted the thread two days ago.

-Al
I see, OK, I did not notice that...
by Carl Steefel
May 27th, 2020, 2:37 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Temperature Fluctuations In Passive Cellars
Replies: 97
Views: 6362

Re: Temperature Fluctuations In Passive Cellars

The original post mentioned 20 degree swings (not 3), so this is what I was talking about. Obviously a 3 degree swing (which would also apply to my cellar) has no effect on anything...

"...you have temperature swings of 20 degrees annually in a passive cellar: 45-65 degrees. "
by Carl Steefel
May 26th, 2020, 5:26 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Temperature Fluctuations In Passive Cellars
Replies: 97
Views: 6362

Re: Temperature Fluctuations In Passive Cellars

If you blow into a balloon, we understand why it expands without needing to understand Onsager which is more about relating different flows. Yes, pressure gradient makes a force that moves material. The original post asked about concern of 3F or less daily variation in temperature. For 20F, I suspe...
by Carl Steefel
May 26th, 2020, 4:59 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Temperature Fluctuations In Passive Cellars
Replies: 97
Views: 6362

Re: Temperature Fluctuations In Passive Cellars

You don't need to invoke Onsager to understand temperature pushing a cork in wine left in a hot car. That's just the good old equation of state, no fluxes required to understand it. But a 2F or 3F temperature periodic change over hours? Why do you think that's important? What about 0.5F? What are t...
by Carl Steefel
May 26th, 2020, 4:56 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Temperature Fluctuations In Passive Cellars
Replies: 97
Views: 6362

Re: Temperature Fluctuations In Passive Cellars

You don't need to invoke Onsager to understand temperature pushing a cork in wine left in a hot car. That's just the good old equation of state, no fluxes required to understand it. But a 2F or 3F temperature periodic change over hours? Why do you think that's important? What about 0.5F? What are t...
by Carl Steefel
May 26th, 2020, 3:54 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Temperature Fluctuations In Passive Cellars
Replies: 97
Views: 6362

Re: Temperature Fluctuations In Passive Cellars

I wish everyone would just relax on the worry about temperature "fluctuations". There is nothing in chemistry that depends greatly on temperature fluctuations (unless, of course, you are near some boundary like freezing or boiling). Also remember that most relationships that depend on temperature u...
by Carl Steefel
May 26th, 2020, 10:21 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Temperature Fluctuations In Passive Cellars
Replies: 97
Views: 6362

Re: Temperature Fluctuations In Passive Cellars

I wish everyone would just relax on the worry about temperature "fluctuations". There is nothing in chemistry that depends greatly on temperature fluctuations (unless, of course, you are near some boundary like freezing or boiling). Also remember that most relationships that depend on temperature u...
by Carl Steefel
May 26th, 2020, 9:48 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Temperature Fluctuations In Passive Cellars
Replies: 97
Views: 6362

Re: Temperature Fluctuations In Passive Cellars

As you can see, lots of opinions. Here are some more. For some reason people seem to think that the speed of the fluctuation matters. There is no evidence that I know of to support that. It's the fluctuation, whether over a few days or months that matters. Then there are other people who think that...
by Carl Steefel
May 15th, 2020, 8:59 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Definition of Everyday Wines - "Daily Drinkers"
Replies: 93
Views: 3256

Re: Definition of Everyday Wines - "Daily Drinkers"

Chianti Classico: 2016 Isole e Olena recently at $23.25 a bottle (now $26), 2016 Felsina Chianti Classico ($25)...
by Carl Steefel
May 15th, 2020, 6:28 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2019 Keller "von der Fels" - first impressions
Replies: 16
Views: 829

Re: TN: 2019 Keller "von der Fels" - first impressions

Closer to $40/bottle here. But the quality seems to be there year in and year out...
by Carl Steefel
May 15th, 2020, 6:18 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2012 Huet secs have shit the bed
Replies: 91
Views: 6786

Re: 2012 Huet secs have shit the bed

Another data point: Huet Le Mont sec 2011. Bought on release at the estate and shipped to Belgium. Strange color upon opening, quite golden, nothing like your burgundy of around that age. On the nose, I picked notes of honey, beeswax, and some herbal undertone. 2011 is not a great vintage, so maybe...
by Carl Steefel
May 15th, 2020, 6:16 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2012 Huet secs have shit the bed
Replies: 91
Views: 6786

Re: 2012 Huet secs have shit the bed

Brad Kane wrote:
May 8th, 2019, 6:26 am
Mel Knox wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 7:05 pm
I never thought of this but where you have apples usually there is a little wax.
And I don't use apple that much to describe Chenin, finding quince a much more accurate and prevelent descriptor.
Interesting. Certainly an orchard fruit...
by Carl Steefel
May 15th, 2020, 6:14 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2016 Boulay La Cote Sancerre
Replies: 0
Views: 125

TN: 2016 Boulay La Cote Sancerre

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by Carl Steefel
May 15th, 2020, 12:21 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: DIAM & avoiding oxidised white burgundy
Replies: 113
Views: 4199

Re: DIAM & avoiding oxidised white burgundy

DIAM is no longer the only game in town for supercritical CO2 treated agglomerated corks. Trefinos claims the same treatment process. I used DIAM 10s very happily for 5 vintages and switched to Trefinos C3 (supposedly on par with DIAM 10 on OTR) last year. So far, so good with both. I gave Trefinos...
by Carl Steefel
May 15th, 2020, 11:31 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: DIAM & avoiding oxidised white burgundy
Replies: 113
Views: 4199

Re: DIAM & avoiding oxidised white burgundy

Not a Grand Cru, but I had the 2007 Fevre Montmains recently and that was showing beautifully. This was a Diam 5 cork. Aging very gracefully, basically everything you would want in a Premier Cru Chablis with 13 years of bottle age.
by Carl Steefel
May 14th, 2020, 8:17 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: DIAM & avoiding oxidised white burgundy
Replies: 113
Views: 4199

Re: DIAM & avoiding oxidised white burgundy

Brian, It happens in the Loire. It happens in Alsace. Does it happen everywhere? For it to be the corks, it would have to happen everywhere those corks are used, no? ETA: I acknowledge John's post #25. I've followed this topic "somewhat." I gave-up on buying White Burgundy right as I was starting i...
by Carl Steefel
May 14th, 2020, 7:00 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: DIAM & avoiding oxidised white burgundy
Replies: 113
Views: 4199

Re: DIAM & avoiding oxidised white burgundy

The studies I have seen point to the compression of the cork upon bottling, releasing O2. But typically a 60 day or so effect., Otherwise defects in natural cork showing up with X-ray synchrotron tomography lead to O2 ingress over longer periods. Both of these would lead to non-constant (nonlinear) ...
by Carl Steefel
May 14th, 2020, 2:22 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: DIAM & avoiding oxidised white burgundy
Replies: 113
Views: 4199

Re: DIAM & avoiding oxidised white burgundy

I spoke to one winemaker in Burgundy last year who claims that he can pick up a "minty" quality in whites sealed under Diam. Does not sound too terrible a contaminant, but I wondered if any other producers claim that they can taste a flavor that is imparted by this technology. If no one can discern...
by Carl Steefel
May 14th, 2020, 12:30 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: DIAM & avoiding oxidised white burgundy
Replies: 113
Views: 4199

Re: DIAM & avoiding oxidised white burgundy

It will be interesting to see if the DIAM closures allow the sulfur to be reduced a bit. Just had a 2018 H. Boillot Bourgogne Blanc and the sulfur levels are to the point where the wine is essentially undrinkable now. I suppose this will age well enough (even beyond 3 years) with this much sulfur, b...
by Carl Steefel
May 10th, 2020, 7:20 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Freaking Awesome Village !!
Replies: 49
Views: 2893

Re: Freaking Awesome Village !!

At $125 the question isn’t whether it’s an “awesome village wine” it’s whether it is better than the numerous grand crus you could get for that price (Ok — edited after a glance at Winesearcher — it’s a $100 wine but that is still into the territory of decent lower level Grand Crus) Exactly, the te...
by Carl Steefel
May 9th, 2020, 3:29 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Freaking Awesome Village !!
Replies: 49
Views: 2893

Re: Freaking Awesome Village !!

A stupid just learned a new word. Juicy? It's a brand of sweat pants. LOL an awesome $125 village wine At $125 the question isn’t whether it’s an “awesome village wine” it’s whether it is better than the numerous grand crus you could get for that price (Ok — edited after a glance at Winesearcher — ...
by Carl Steefel
May 9th, 2020, 8:35 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Freaking Awesome Village !!
Replies: 49
Views: 2893

Re: Freaking Awesome Village !!

What I was going to ask. How much?
by Carl Steefel
May 7th, 2020, 5:34 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2012 Henri Boillot 'Puligny Montrachet 1er Les Pucelles'. TNs
Replies: 10
Views: 482

Re: 2012 Henri Boillot 'Puligny Montrachet 1er Les Pucelles'. TNs

I assume none of these used Diam closures?
by Carl Steefel
May 7th, 2020, 5:29 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2016 Domaine Faury St. Joseph Vieilles Vignes
Replies: 17
Views: 1306

Re: TN: 2016 Domaine Faury St. Joseph Vieilles Vignes

Spotted the 17 (I think it was) Faury St. Joseph VV and grabbed one just to see what it was like. Reduced, encore petillant, not even ready for early term drinking. I am pretty sure based on that they do need some time, although the 16 at least sounds enjoyable...
by Carl Steefel
May 4th, 2020, 9:28 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: German Riesling Recommendations
Replies: 79
Views: 2505

Re: German Riesling Recommendations

I have only dived back into the Rieslings during the CoronaVirus shutdown, but I have had a couple that stood out (mostly GGs). Was buying Keller earlier, but the price increase has pushed me out, except for the highly drinkable von der Fels. No surprises I guess when the list includes Donnhoff: 201...
by Carl Steefel
May 4th, 2020, 5:33 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: '09 Le Bon Pasteur.....here we go
Replies: 62
Views: 2167

Re: '09 Le Bon Pasteur.....here we go

Alfert and I are going to have a good old fashion taste off against Jeff.....may the best taster win!!....and if for some reason that doesn't happen then we will be happy to congratulate Jeff! [haha.gif] :-P Jeff does have a great site though fo sho! [thumbs-up.gif] Did you have the 1990 Bon Pasteu...
by Carl Steefel
May 3rd, 2020, 6:17 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: '09 Le Bon Pasteur.....here we go
Replies: 62
Views: 2167

Re: '09 Le Bon Pasteur.....here we go

Wish I had a bottle of the 1990 again. Gorgeous wine that any Pomerol lover would like...
by Carl Steefel
May 2nd, 2020, 7:44 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: When Will California Tasting Rooms Reopen?
Replies: 43
Views: 2411

Re: When Will California Tasting Rooms Reopen?

I would be very surprised if they do before the end of May. They just extended the Shelter in Place in the Bay area until the end of May.
by Carl Steefel
May 2nd, 2020, 7:42 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Losing Sense of smell from Corona Virus
Replies: 11
Views: 1054

Re: Losing Sense of smell from Corona Virus

That is good, it is challenging to get a test (unless you are a Senator or President)...
by Carl Steefel
May 2nd, 2020, 5:50 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Losing Sense of smell from Corona Virus
Replies: 11
Views: 1054

Re: Losing Sense of smell from Corona Virus

I have been using this to tell me that I do NOT have Corona Virus. Last night, a fragrant 2014 Shafer-Frohlich, not before a herbal 2017 Huet le Mont Sec...
by Carl Steefel
May 2nd, 2020, 4:29 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Losing Sense of smell from Corona Virus
Replies: 11
Views: 1054

Re: Losing Sense of smell from Corona Virus

Yes, this was widely reported a while back. Some people claim it could just be normal seasonal allergies, but the number of cases with specific positives for COVID-19 and the loss of smell seems to make this a pretty clear correlation/symptom.
by Carl Steefel
May 2nd, 2020, 10:08 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: '09 Le Bon Pasteur.....here we go
Replies: 62
Views: 2167

Re: '09 Le Bon Pasteur.....here we go

Would be great if Jeff opened Marc's bottle and posted the TN here! You can find numerous tasting notes for the wine on my site. Marc, Alfret and I do not share the same taste in quality wine neener Alfert and I are going to have a good old fashion taste off against Jeff.....may the best taster win...
by Carl Steefel
April 30th, 2020, 11:09 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Mystery White Wine
Replies: 16
Views: 529

Re: Mystery White Wine

Less ripe apple sounds good, it just doesn't stand out front and center like some wines where the orchard fruit profile dominates (thinking of a Valentini Trebbiano, for example). My slightly older Huet (2010, 2011) are not only of a different style, but also not lasting--hit by premox. So I am happ...
by Carl Steefel
April 30th, 2020, 9:54 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Mystery White Wine
Replies: 16
Views: 529

Re: Mystery White Wine

That is better, you kept it blind longer... On a side note, after text conversations with my buddy (who likes Loire Chenin Blanc quite a bit), he pointed out that he did not recognize the tasting note in part because of the failure to mention "apple" or "baked apple". As I mentioned above, this got ...
by Carl Steefel
April 30th, 2020, 9:43 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Mystery White Wine
Replies: 16
Views: 529

Re: Mystery White Wine

2017 Huet le Mont Sec is the wine...
by Carl Steefel
April 30th, 2020, 9:11 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Mystery White Wine
Replies: 16
Views: 529

Re: Mystery White Wine

Second cousin of a Gruner Veltliner maybe--some similarities to a Prager Achleiten I had a while back, where the conventional fruit was in the background in somewhat the same fashion. Savennieres even better guess, since the variety is right (Chenin Blanc). Like a richer variant of a Savennieres or ...
by Carl Steefel
April 30th, 2020, 8:18 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Mystery White Wine
Replies: 16
Views: 529

Re: Mystery White Wine

2017 Huet le Mont Sec.

Had this earlier and the herbal element was not quite so pronounced, and perhaps this was also accentuated by the near room temperature of the wine??
by Carl Steefel
April 29th, 2020, 9:07 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: Evolving note on mystery wine...Revealed
Replies: 29
Views: 912

Re: TN: Evolving note on mystery wine

Now you have me trying to remember the shape of the Baudry bottle I have in my cellar. Now that I think of it, it doesn't fit (the cellar having been made primarily for Bordeaux style bottles)...
by Carl Steefel
April 29th, 2020, 8:54 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: Evolving note on mystery wine...Revealed
Replies: 29
Views: 912

Re: TN: Evolving note on mystery wine

Cannot think of any Burgundy style wine that would have these descriptors...
by Carl Steefel
April 29th, 2020, 8:18 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2009 Keller „Abtserde“ GG - touching
Replies: 14
Views: 671

Re: 2009 Keller „Abtserde“ GG - touching

Hah, I agree on the elves in Rivendell serving this wine. Never had the 2009, but the 2008 Abtserde was definitely what I would expect there--ethereal (Elven light), conjuring visions of a far green country, under a swift sunrise...
by Carl Steefel
April 29th, 2020, 7:52 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Mystery White Wine
Replies: 16
Views: 529

Mystery White Wine

On the nose, the herbal element dominates, with wild nettle, mint and thyme. In the mouth this is distinctive, an initial attack of rich palate-coating herbal fruit (if that isn't an oxymoron, but I don't think it is) with a touch of residual sweetness, that progresses to a slighty bitter herbal fin...
by Carl Steefel
April 29th, 2020, 7:41 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: Evolving note on mystery wine...Revealed
Replies: 29
Views: 912

Re: TN: Evolving note on mystery wine

Sociando not normally tobacco, more like bell pepper, but a green note was mentioned as well. And not normally showing little fruit (very different from the 2000, for example). Could be the 1996 I suppose, which had this leaner profile But I will go with the Loire red based on the later notes in par...
by Carl Steefel
April 28th, 2020, 8:51 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: '09 Le Bon Pasteur.....here we go
Replies: 62
Views: 2167

Re: '09 Le Bon Pasteur.....here we go

Cheaper than Colgin, but with ample dill. The 1990 has been great, old styled, and cheap. Agree on the 1990. People were already trashing Rolland by then, but the 1990 was actually Old School, as you say. Evolved beautifully over 15 years. Seems le Bon Pasteur went down hill some time after that...
by Carl Steefel
April 27th, 2020, 1:52 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: '07 Chateauneuf (cont.) - Vieille Julienne
Replies: 4
Views: 364

Re: '07 Chateauneuf (cont.) - Vieille Julienne

A sporadic board topic, with members divided between the 'GV' and 'HM' camps. IIRC the board tends towards 'HM' (Hot Mess) more than 'GV' (Great Vintage). I am on the Great Vintage side, but... Young pure medium dark ruby color. The aromas offer more red fruit than black, raspberry more than cherry...
by Carl Steefel
April 26th, 2020, 11:30 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Is this "advanced"/early stages of premox? (Patrick Piuze)
Replies: 21
Views: 725

Re: Is this "advanced"/early stages of premox? (Patrick Piuze)

Certainly sounds oxidized. And the color for these Chardonnay based wines is typically diagnostic as well (we lined up Fevre Chablis about 5 years ago and there was a perfect correlation between the darkness of the wine and the premox state)...
by Carl Steefel
April 24th, 2020, 5:02 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2001 Mugnier Chambolle Fuees 1er cru
Replies: 13
Views: 639

Re: TN: 2001 Mugnier Chambolle Fuees 1er cru

Had the 1999 vintage of this wine. Beautiful! Wish I had some more...
by Carl Steefel
April 23rd, 2020, 2:30 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: sadly, Sarah’s spot on.
Replies: 33
Views: 2902

Re: TN: sadly, Sarah’s spot on.

FWIW Had the 07 raveneau villages chablis last night and it was really excellent. Maybe, at this moment in time, as above, you will have better results just by sticking to villages Chablis from 2007 - a domaine wine from William Fèvre was monumental at Christmas-time. I'm sure its DIAM helped... A ...
by Carl Steefel
April 23rd, 2020, 8:46 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: sadly, Sarah’s spot on.
Replies: 33
Views: 2902

Re: TN: sadly, Sarah’s spot on.

FWIW Had the 07 raveneau villages chablis last night and it was really excellent. Maybe, at this moment in time, as above, you will have better results just by sticking to villages Chablis from 2007 - a domaine wine from William Fèvre was monumental at Christmas-time. I'm sure its DIAM helped... Th...
by Carl Steefel
April 22nd, 2020, 5:47 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: sadly, Sarah’s spot on.
Replies: 33
Views: 2902

Re: TN: sadly, Sarah’s spot on.

I've got a few of these, and will open one tonight to see if my experience is similar. Here's an excerpt from Tanzer's vintage report that might point to hail damage in MdT as the potential issue. Bernard Raveneau called the 2007 vintage a "belle échappe (narrow escape). After a relatively lousy su...

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