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by Howard Cooper
July 12th, 2020, 3:33 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Approaching age 50 - is it too late for Burgundy?
Replies: 96
Views: 3049

Re: Approaching age 50 - is it too late for Burgundy?

To answer the OPs question in a different way, I am now about 65. I bet at least half the red Burgundy in my cellar as of right now was purchased since I turned 50. A lot of the red Burgundy I owned in 2005 has been drunk over the last 15 years. And it has been very rare for me to spend over $150 o...
by Howard Cooper
July 11th, 2020, 7:52 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Approaching age 50 - is it too late for Burgundy?
Replies: 96
Views: 3049

Re: Approaching age 50 - is it too late for Burgundy?

To answer the OPs question in a different way, I am now about 65. I bet at least half the red Burgundy in my cellar as of right now was purchased since I turned 50. A lot of the red Burgundy I owned in 2005 has been drunk over the last 15 years. And it has been very rare for me to spend over $150 on...
by Howard Cooper
July 11th, 2020, 6:50 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Old World vs New World tasting
Replies: 28
Views: 679

Re: Old World vs New World tasting

Geographically, Old World wines comes from Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. Places like Israel, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Armenia, Georgia, Austria, Poland, France, Spain and Italy all produce what is considered Old World wine. When I do an old world/new world tasting for fun, I concentra...
by Howard Cooper
July 11th, 2020, 1:49 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2008 Meursault Perrieres Coche and PYCM
Replies: 16
Views: 811

Re: 2008 Meursault Perrieres Coche and PYCM

I know Coche is above my pay grade, but you inspired me to check PYCM prices on WS. Still 2-4 times the cost of Bouchard's version. Dare I try the PYCM at risk of going down yet another rabbit hole? do it. Do it. Do it. It’ll be out of our price range in a couple years. LOL. OK, 2 bottles of the 20...
by Howard Cooper
July 11th, 2020, 1:45 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Old World vs New World tasting
Replies: 28
Views: 679

Re: Old World vs New World tasting

Hmm. Those are interesting stylistic choices for Burgundy. I think the OP will get very different results depending on what he picks. Certainly Heitz-Lochardet and Drouhin are quite different, imho. Agreed. And Bouchard and Drouhin are even more different from each other. If it were me, I would lea...
by Howard Cooper
July 11th, 2020, 1:26 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Traditional vs. Modern Bordeaux?
Replies: 511
Views: 34644

Re: Traditional vs. Modern Bordeaux?

Bumping this thread that Howard linked in the Help me get into Bordeaux thread. There have been a few shifts from traditional to modern since this was posted. Figeac, Lanessan, and Pontet Canet no longer seem strictly traditional. Might be interesting to add some vintage ranges for those producers ...
by Howard Cooper
July 11th, 2020, 1:20 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Old World vs New World tasting
Replies: 28
Views: 679

Re: Old World vs New World tasting

For Chardonnay, find wines from Bernard Moreau, Drouhin, Bouchard or Heitz-Lochardet (white Burgundy) and Christian Moreau (Chablis). For Pinot Noir, look for a wines from producers such as Hudelot-Noellat, Rossignol-Trapet, Trapet, Pierre Amiot, or Drouhin. I think the wines need to be 10 years ol...
by Howard Cooper
July 11th, 2020, 11:36 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Old World vs New World tasting
Replies: 28
Views: 679

Re: Old World vs New World tasting

For Chardonnay, find wines from Bernard Moreau, Drouhin, Bouchard or Heitz-Locardet (white Burgundy) and Christian Moreau (Chablis). For Pinot Noir, look for a wines from producers such as Hudelot-Noellat, Rossignol-Trapet, Trapet, Pierre Amiot, or Drouhin. I think the wines need to be 10 years old ...
by Howard Cooper
July 11th, 2020, 11:23 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Help me get into Bordeaux
Replies: 20
Views: 1028

Re: Help me get into Bordeaux

https://www.wineberserkers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=91505 That was a very interesting read, Howard. Ticked all boxes: informational, but ignited with spicy drama firing from all sides. 🔥 Wine is no fun without spicy drama firing from all sides. [cheers.gif] Wine at the level of people on this ...
by Howard Cooper
July 11th, 2020, 11:16 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Help me get into Bordeaux
Replies: 20
Views: 1028

Re: Help me get into Bordeaux

Friends, I started reading the The World Atlas of Wine's Bordeaux section and did some research on this forum's past threads. Now, I gained some basic understanding of left/right bank, the Haut-Medoc classification of 1855, and the modern rise of Pomerol and St Emilion. At the same time, I need hel...
by Howard Cooper
July 10th, 2020, 12:38 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Approaching age 50 - is it too late for Burgundy?
Replies: 96
Views: 3049

Re: Approaching age 50 - is it too late for Burgundy?

Of recent vintages, I think of 2012s and 2017s drinking well right now. I am sure that people can come up with wines where this is not true, but I think it generally is a good rule of thumb. I am not saying these are my favorite vintages of recent years (clearly that is 2010).
by Howard Cooper
July 10th, 2020, 4:01 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Approaching age 50 - is it too late for Burgundy?
Replies: 96
Views: 3049

Re: Approaching age 50 - is it too late for Burgundy?

And I want to state that I know there are lots of good burgs out there which don't break the bank. I've seen posts from Howard and others for example, which call out specific wines and producers. I need to pick up some of these and try them. Agreed on Howard's posts. He's spent a lot of my money as...
by Howard Cooper
July 9th, 2020, 5:37 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Bernard Glantenay. Two 2010 Volnays: Clos des Chenes versus Santenots
Replies: 1
Views: 185

Re: Bernard Glantenay. Two 2010 Volnays: Clos des Chenes versus Santenots

Thanks Mark. 2010 is such a great vintage in Burgundy. If I had been there, I could have added the 2010 les Brouillards.
by Howard Cooper
July 9th, 2020, 4:51 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Approaching age 50 - is it too late for Burgundy?
Replies: 96
Views: 3049

Re: Approaching age 50 - is it too late for Burgundy?

I will make some fairly specific recommendations to the OP (I am writing only about red wines in this post): Look for 2009 and/or 2010 wines from the Cote de Beaune. There are hundreds available. Appellations I would look for would be: Pernand Savigny-les-Beaune (generally agreed best value) Beaune...
by Howard Cooper
July 9th, 2020, 12:58 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Approaching age 50 - is it too late for Burgundy?
Replies: 96
Views: 3049

Re: Approaching age 50 - is it too late for Burgundy?

Dennis Borczon wrote:
July 9th, 2020, 12:54 pm
Dale Bowers wrote:
July 9th, 2020, 9:41 am
How much money do you have? [tease.gif]
How much sense do you have?
Wine is not about sense. It is about want and then keeping want to a reasonable enough level so that it doesn't change your lifestyle.
by Howard Cooper
July 9th, 2020, 12:54 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Pinot Noir in the Loire?
Replies: 19
Views: 740

Re: Pinot Noir in the Loire?

I always find it fascinating how people like to thread drift. [wink.gif] Don't I get points for discussing Cotat?????? I mean, it is the only producer I discussed in this post and I am the first person to mention Cotat in this thread. You mention the rosé, but did you ever have the Cotat reds? They...
by Howard Cooper
July 9th, 2020, 12:25 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Pinot Noir in the Loire?
Replies: 19
Views: 740

Re: Pinot Noir in the Loire?

I always find it fascinating how many people look for value Pinot all over the world but not the Cotes Chalonnaise. As for the immediate question, the best Rose I have had was a Sancerre from Cotat. I always find it fascinating how people like to thread drift. [wink.gif] Don't I get points for disc...
by Howard Cooper
July 9th, 2020, 12:24 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Pinot Noir in the Loire?
Replies: 19
Views: 740

Re: Pinot Noir in the Loire?

I always find it fascinating how many people look for value Pinot all over the world but not the Cotes Chalonnaise. Not everyone, Howard [cheers.gif] . I used to sell De Villaine, and love those wines. Which other producers do you like that make a similarly pure style? I have not had that much red ...
by Howard Cooper
July 9th, 2020, 12:21 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Approaching age 50 - is it too late for Burgundy?
Replies: 96
Views: 3049

Re: Approaching age 50 - is it too late for Burgundy?

How much money do you have? [tease.gif] Yeah, I hear you. Burgundy is only expensive if you want it to be expensive. You can save a lot of money buying wine from the Cotes Chalonnaise. Wines from producers like Domaine des Moirots and Juillot are very nice and not that much money. http://www.weygan...
by Howard Cooper
July 9th, 2020, 12:17 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Approaching age 50 - is it too late for Burgundy?
Replies: 96
Views: 3049

Re: Approaching age 50 - is it too late for Burgundy?

If you think one is really good and the other not so good, Burgundy probably is not for you. If you think, wow, both of these wines are really good but they are really distinct from each other, you will be hooked. It is probably better to compare different vineyards from the same producer, as you m...
by Howard Cooper
July 9th, 2020, 9:32 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Approaching age 50 - is it too late for Burgundy?
Replies: 96
Views: 3049

Re: Approaching age 50 - is it too late for Burgundy?

For threads, try: https://www.wineberserkers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=119762 https://www.wineberserkers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=155013 For a specific recommendation, try a villages Chambolle-Musigny or Vosne-Romanee from Hudelot-Noellat. If you can find a 2012 or 2014, get those. The 2015...
by Howard Cooper
July 9th, 2020, 9:00 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Pinot Noir in the Loire?
Replies: 19
Views: 740

Re: Pinot Noir in the Loire?

I always find it fascinating how many people look for value Pinot all over the world but not the Cotes Chalonnaise.

As for the immediate question, the best Rose I have had was a Sancerre from Cotat.
by Howard Cooper
July 9th, 2020, 4:23 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2019 German Riesling
Replies: 77
Views: 3682

Re: 2019 German Riesling

Count me as an acid freak as that is what I love so much about Germany. I am hearing from winemakers that it is a vintage I will love and they know how much I value acid. Only one data point so far, Laurer Barrel X, all I can say is that it was intense and had everything you could imagine in an ent...
by Howard Cooper
July 9th, 2020, 4:21 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2019 German Riesling
Replies: 77
Views: 3682

Re: 2019 German Riesling

Just for my education, how so? If Lara is saying it reminds them of 2015, I may hold off buying from them this vintage. Johannes Selbach did talk about 2019 being very ripe. Not really my sort of vintage. That would be consistent with 2015 (in my opinion, though I know some people love the vintage)...
by Howard Cooper
July 9th, 2020, 4:15 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What Burgundy villages do you have the most wine from?
Replies: 51
Views: 1739

Re: What Burgundy villages do you have the most wine from?

My inventory isn't up to date enough to get an accurate answer. I suspect that my village distribution follows my producer fandom, which means that my top holdings are going to be (in guessed order): Morey St. Denis (Dujac) Chambolle (Mugneret-Gibourg, Meo-Camuzet, Roumier) Gevrey (exception that p...
by Howard Cooper
July 8th, 2020, 11:29 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Hyped Vintages that Disappointed
Replies: 98
Views: 4086

Re: Hyped Vintages that Disappointed

I think it depends on your time horizon. I have a case of 2005 pichon baron and I haven’t been remotely tempted to open even a single bottle based on the structure of the vintage. Like 05 northern and a lot of 05 red burgundy, I don’t think it would be a worthwhile effort to open some of the bigger...
by Howard Cooper
July 8th, 2020, 10:34 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 06 Bouchard Corton Charlemagne
Replies: 3
Views: 314

Re: TN: 06 Bouchard Corton Charlemagne

alan weinberg wrote:
July 7th, 2020, 8:01 pm
super aromatics, lean and intense with great drive, barely ripe citrus and lime, a menthol note and steeliness of Corton, a wine that brings joy opened far too young.
I visited Bouchard in 2007 and tasted this wine. Glad to see it is aging so well.
by Howard Cooper
July 8th, 2020, 10:17 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What Burgundy villages do you have the most wine from?
Replies: 51
Views: 1739

Re: What Burgundy villages do you have the most wine from?

Separate red from white. Count all wines from the village, including grand crus, premier crus and village wines. Do not count Bourgogne rouge even if the vineyards is near a village. For me, for reds: 1. Gevrey Chambertin 2. Morey St. Denis 3. Volnay 4. Virtual tie among Beaune, Chambolle and Vosne...
by Howard Cooper
July 8th, 2020, 4:34 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What Burgundy villages do you have the most wine from?
Replies: 51
Views: 1739

Re: What Burgundy villages do you have the most wine from?

this is a newb question, but what's the CT filter to find this? i have it by region (burg) and appellation, but then that separates things like MSD and MSD 1er cru.. how do u get it to village level? Add up MSD, MSD premier cru and each grand cru within MSD. 🤯🤯🤯. This requires math?? 😢🤦‍♂️ Just use...
by Howard Cooper
July 7th, 2020, 6:26 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What Burgundy villages do you have the most wine from?
Replies: 51
Views: 1739

Re: What Burgundy villages do you have the most wine from?

Mark Y wrote:
July 7th, 2020, 6:24 pm
this is a newb question, but what's the CT filter to find this?

i have it by region (burg) and appellation, but then that separates things like MSD and MSD 1er cru..

how do u get it to village level?
Add up MSD, MSD premier cru and each grand cru within MSD.
by Howard Cooper
July 7th, 2020, 6:19 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What Burgundy villages do you have the most wine from?
Replies: 51
Views: 1739

Re: What Burgundy villages do you have the most wine from?

Nick Ellis wrote:
July 7th, 2020, 6:17 pm
Apparently My focus has been very single minded.
For reds:
1. Volnay - 10 cases
2. Tie Gevrey & Savigny - 2 cases
3. Everything else (less than one case)

White:
1. Chablis - 7 cases
2. everything else (less than one case)
Agreed. Next try MSD.
by Howard Cooper
July 7th, 2020, 6:15 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What Burgundy villages do you have the most wine from?
Replies: 51
Views: 1739

Re: What Burgundy villages do you have the most wine from?

I don't have a lot of Burgundy (and next to no whites, due to premox concerns, which is disappointing because I really like white Burgundy), but I'll play anyway. 1. Volnay, by one bottle over... 2. Gevrey Chambertin 3. Pommard (mainly Comte Armand). I was expecting Gevrey Chambertin because I have...
by Howard Cooper
July 7th, 2020, 5:00 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What Burgundy villages do you have the most wine from?
Replies: 51
Views: 1739

What Burgundy villages do you have the most wine from?

Separate red from white. Count all wines from the village, including grand crus, premier crus and village wines. Do not count Bourgogne rouge even if the vineyards is near a village. For me, for reds: 1. Gevrey Chambertin 2. Morey St. Denis 3. Volnay 4. Virtual tie among Beaune, Chambolle and Vosne ...
by Howard Cooper
July 7th, 2020, 12:43 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: A question for our elder states(men/women)
Replies: 50
Views: 2454

Re: A question for our elder states(men/women)

Not to get morbid, but people may be sleeping on the wine price impact of the baby boomers selling all their accumulated wine that they can't drink...strikes me it may be considerable over the next 10-20 years. I didn’t buy wines for price appreciation. I bought it to drink and to collect (I don’t ...
by Howard Cooper
July 7th, 2020, 11:56 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: A question for our elder states(men/women)
Replies: 50
Views: 2454

Re: A question for our elder states(men/women)

I will be turning 65 on Sunday and like many of the other alter cockers in this thread have cut way back on wine purchases that need long aging. I have bought no 2009, 2010, 2018 or 2019 Bordeaux and just a bit of 2014, 2015 and 2016 (and some of these in half bottles). I still buy some red Burgundi...
by Howard Cooper
July 6th, 2020, 7:29 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Clos de Vougeot -- Who Makes the Best?
Replies: 111
Views: 7052

Re: Clos de Vougeot -- Who Makes the Best?

Of the producers I have tried, my favorite CVs come from Mugneret-Gibourg and Hudelot-Noellat. I can remember several Faiveleys from the 1970s that also were fabulous, but I have not had any of their CV in a very long time.
by Howard Cooper
July 6th, 2020, 7:22 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Hyped Vintages that Disappointed
Replies: 98
Views: 4086

Re: Hyped Vintages that Disappointed

and who hyped 95 and 97 red burgs? Rovani doesn’t count! Why doesn’t he count? The question was not what were great vintages but rather what were hyped vintages? too easy. He was always wrong. Panned 93. Wasn’t big on any vintages the rest of us like. I must admit that the highlight of Pierre Rovan...
by Howard Cooper
July 6th, 2020, 7:20 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2014 Red Burgundy
Replies: 22
Views: 1384

Re: 2014 Red Burgundy

I also want to comment that shutting down does not mean there is a problem with the wine. It means you need to keep it longer. A lot of truly great wines shut down for a time where they are not as good to drink. 2005s have been shut down for a very long time. Great Burgundies should be aged. If you ...
by Howard Cooper
July 6th, 2020, 7:15 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Hyped Vintages that Disappointed
Replies: 98
Views: 4086

Re: Hyped Vintages that Disappointed

Robert Sand wrote:
July 6th, 2020, 12:49 am
1997 Piedmont
1993 Burgundy
I have to disagree about 1993 Burgundy. There are an awful lot of fabulous 1993 Burgs.
by Howard Cooper
July 5th, 2020, 6:55 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Hyped Vintages that Disappointed
Replies: 98
Views: 4086

Re: Hyped Vintages that Disappointed

For a few: California 1997 Bordeaux 1995, 2003 and for me 2009 and 2010 Burgundy 1983, 1990, 1995, 1997 Germany - what are the hyped vintages? The only ones I think of as really being hyped are 1971, 1975, 1976, 1990, 2001 and 2015. All of these are fabulous vintages, at least in the case of some p...
by Howard Cooper
July 5th, 2020, 5:11 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Hyped Vintages that Disappointed
Replies: 98
Views: 4086

Re: Hyped Vintages that Disappointed

For a few: California 1997 Bordeaux 1995, 2003 and for me 2009 and 2010 Burgundy 1983, 1990, 1995, 1997 Germany - what are the hyped vintages? The only ones I think of as really being hyped are 1971, 1975, 1976, 1990, 2001 and 2015. All of these are fabulous vintages, at least in the case of some pr...
by Howard Cooper
July 5th, 2020, 4:44 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Your best Pandemic bottle consumed?
Replies: 83
Views: 2719

Re: Your best Pandemic bottle consumed?

Henry Kahn wrote:
July 5th, 2020, 6:57 am

2001 Domaine Pierre Amiot Clos de la Roche
I have only started drinking wines from Amiot for the last couple of years. I like the wines I have had. Glad to read that they age well.
by Howard Cooper
July 5th, 2020, 4:36 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Best 2018 Vintage for LONG term cellaring?
Replies: 56
Views: 2161

Re: Best 2018 Vintage for LONG term cellaring?

Bordeaux Reds, Sauternes, and German Riesling Spatlese +. Not sure I like the balance on a lot of 2018 Germans for long term cellaring. I would trust Prum, Grunhauser, and Donnhoff and their history. I agree with Prum and Grunhauser as having reputations for long term cellaring, but I am not so sur...
by Howard Cooper
July 5th, 2020, 1:25 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2014 Red Burgundy
Replies: 22
Views: 1384

Re: 2014 Red Burgundy

One of the best vintages I ever had young were the 2010s. I still love them at 10, although I am sure some have shut down. Stylistically, the 2014s remind me of the 2010s, although 2010 is a better vintage. I expect that the 2014s will be excellent, although again some will shut down. As for William...
by Howard Cooper
July 4th, 2020, 4:29 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: I love Bonnes Mares
Replies: 51
Views: 4186

Re: I love Bonnes Mares

Yep - Bonnes Mares from good producers can be great with enough time in bottle. Slightly off topic - but - some good 1er juice can be found from CM Baudes which is just beside the Bonnes Mares vineyard! Agreed. Jadot makes an excellent Baudes. I know that the common wisdom is that 1999s are still w...
by Howard Cooper
July 2nd, 2020, 8:50 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Dominus 2013 vs. 2015 vs. 2016
Replies: 21
Views: 1273

Re: Dominus 2013 vs. 2015 vs. 2016

Hi WineBerserkers, I'm trying to get one bottle of Dominus, which was been my dream bottle for a while. I will place it in my cellar it for a while and open it later when something great happens. Though, I'm having some difficulty in choosing a vintage. I know 2013 is a bottle worth to collect (30t...
by Howard Cooper
July 2nd, 2020, 8:46 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Where's The 2008 Taittinger Comtes de Champagne BdB?
Replies: 58
Views: 2808

Re: Where's The 2008 Taittinger Comtes de Champagne BdB?

100% agree and I'm including the vintage rose as well. Blake, Absolutely. And, the upcharge from the BdB to Rose is lower both $-wise and %-wise than most other prestige cuvees. Yep. I've got an 07` rose ready for the 4th. Every bottle has been stupendous. I may have to add an 06` BdB for some more...
by Howard Cooper
July 2nd, 2020, 4:27 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Your best Pandemic bottle consumed?
Replies: 83
Views: 2719

Re: Your best Pandemic bottle consumed?

At the top of my list would be these four fabulous wines: 2014 Jean-Claude Ramonet Chassagne-Montrachet Clos St. Jean Rouge 2012 Domaine Pierre Amiot et Fils Morey St. Denis Les Millandes 2010 Henri Jouan Morey St. Denis 2005 Joh. Jos. Prüm Bernkasteler Badstube Spätlese These four wines also were q...
by Howard Cooper
July 1st, 2020, 6:43 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Where's The 2008 Taittinger Comtes de Champagne BdB?
Replies: 58
Views: 2808

Re: Where's The 2008 Taittinger Comtes de Champagne BdB?

Blake Brown wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 5:50 pm
Howard Cooper wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 5:35 pm
YLee wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 10:45 am
Mike and William is making me want to increase my purchase on the '08 taittinger
Yes. It is kind of like I want to buy more bottles of the 2006 every time Blake posts a tasting note on it. pileon
Get ready Howard, more notes are forthcoming.
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