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alan weinberg wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2020, 8:41 pm
There’s a Ramonet section, a Raveneau section, and a DRC section. But not telling where!

Party at Alan's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Congratulations, I just finished moving into a newly built cellar too, about 150 different boxes of wine unpacked, placed, catalogued in CT, and tagged. It's a labor of love, but very enjoyable to see and touch every bottle in the collection. Took me about three months to get through, on and off, w...

Really nice Alan. Not sure my derriere would fit when trying to reach the bottom shelf in the 23inch aisle. That said I'm willing to try pulling a La Tache from the bottom shelf if willing to share said bottle. I debated having double deep wall C go all the way to A and having an empty wall where B...

Those bins are genius!!! For those fat champagne bottles or others that don’t rack. Does it fit owc? I’d LOVE to help you rack those bottles...glass of 99 La Tache in hand... [cheers.gif] Although I do remember moving my bottles into my new cellar...and it was WAY more work and not as fun as I thou...

Francois, I also have increased my consumption of Champagne over the past few years and am interested in what you are doing more specifically. Are you drinking/buying more major houses or are there grower Champagnes that you are buying and drinking. What producers (both houses and growers) do you pa...

I have been cutting way back on buying for the last two years (too old with too much wine and wine prices have gotten silly) and probably will be cutting back even more this year. That said, if I see a good price on 2008 CdC I probably will buy some and may buy a couple of other producers I buy regu...

older Pradeaux are definite favs. At what age do you typically drink Pradeaux. I love their wines but am not sure I have shown enough patience with them. I've been drinking 89-94 and those are mostly in the zone. I recently opened an 01 and it was stunning, but still mostly primary (though the tann...

I was not a fan when they were first released but they firmed up nicely after about a year. More recently I've buried them on the assumption that they're probably shut down. But that isn't based on experience tasting any recently. My Burgundy group has started doing every fall a tasting based on th...

H Wallace Jr wrote: ↑
March 26th, 2020, 8:49 pm
older Pradeaux are definite favs.

At what age do you typically drink Pradeaux. I love their wines but am not sure I have shown enough patience with them.

I know there is some bias in all of this to producers we buy virtually every year, the fact that we tend to drink our older wines and hold our younger wines, etc., but the one that surprises me is you have more 2011s than 2012s and 2014s. I have found 2011 to be a very mixed vintages. Thought I wou...

What are thoughts on 2009 reds? I thought WB wasn't so bulled up on '09s, but they have popped up a bunch of times here. I was not a fan when they were first released but they firmed up nicely after about a year. More recently I've buried them on the assumption that they're probably shut down. But ...

Just got a delivery and the FedEx guy just wanted my name and said he would take care of signing. Delivery is from Envoyer, of course.

Here's my Top 20 reds: not enough variation in the whites to be of interest. I have some 2016s still to come. Almost all wines are original purchases though I was able to backfill some 1993 and 1998 recently. 1 2005 14% 2 2010 11% 3 2015 11% 4 2009 9% 5 2008 7% 6 2011 6% 7 2012 5% 8 2014 5% 9 2007 ...

Given that I paid about $50 for the CM and $80 for the Ruchottes (including shipping, etc. from Cote d'Or Imports), they were great buys for me and I am happy to try to age them both a few more years. I hope you’re right for your sake; I’m pretty pessimistic. I think 15 in general was a very specif...

maureen nelson wrote: ↑
March 26th, 2020, 5:38 pm

Sarah Kirschbaum wrote: ↑
March 26th, 2020, 8:50 am

Due to various circumstances, I totally skipped the 2010 reds. Big mistake, and one I hope to remedy someday at auction.

Yeah, you have to remedy that. Really an outstanding vintage.

Agreed

Ducru Beaucaillou. This was my first wine future. Split a case with a friend - it was $140 a case. My half is long gone but I had one from his half a couple of years back and it was excellent.

Adding percentages:

Reds:

1 2005 (19.8)
2. 2010 (12.6)
3. 2009 (7.1)
4. 2008 (6.5)
5. 2006 (6.4)

Whites:

1. 2014 (41)
2. 2016 (22)
3. 2017 (9 according to cellartracker but I have not added a few bottles coming from Burgundy because I don't know exact price yet)
4. 2015 (12)
5. 2013 (5)

Maureen,

What whites are you buying from 2018. The couple of Chablis I had at the Paulee were not my style, but am interested in what people are seeing in the 2018 whites.

When I feel comfortable again going to a restaurant (which may be much later than when they reopen), the first thing I plan on doing is scheduling an offline.

Steve L Gellman wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2020, 5:11 pm
Is everyone wiping down their packages

We are letting most things we get (mail, nonperishable food packages, etc.) sit for a day when we get them.

There is a good article in today's WSJ about the drivers. They tend to be underpaid with no bennies. And yet they are expected to do their job in this crisis, subjecting themselves to becoming ill with no health insurance. Absurd. I bet there are three million newly unemployed people who would take...

Given that I paid about $50 for the CM and $80 for the Ruchottes (including shipping, etc. from Cote d'Or Imports), they were great buys for me and I am happy to try to age them both a few more years.

2006 red burgundy. just had a 2006 Bruno Clair Clos St Jacques that was classic and very good Great to read. I liked the 2006s in the barrel when I visited Burgundy in 2007. Certainly not as impressive as 2005s that I tasted then, but they seemed well balanced and I was hoping for another 2001. Wit...

A bunch of them. A few off the top of my head: '11 N. Rhone '13 Red Burgs '09 White Burgs '04 Bordeaux '09 Champagne For the long run, I think '12, '13, '14 red burgs are going to be *really* good--they just got unlucky to be stuck between the *great* vintages of '09/'10/'15/'16. But I think '12, '...

We have done a number of times the producers we each have the most of but I cannot remember doing this by vintage: Red: 1 2005 2. 2010 3. 2009 4. 2008 5. 2006 Looking back at these, I think a few factors are in play here other than vintage quality. Surely, 2005 and 2010 are vintage quality. Certain...

I practically don't keep whites as I threw so many away in the last 15 years, but reds, here's the top dozen, noting that I stopped buying to cellar with 2010, but still bought a whole bunch of 2012 and in magnum! 2005 1999 2010 2009 1998 2002 2006 2001 2008 2012 1996 2007 Actually a few bottles of...

2001 left bank Bordeaux - I always thought it was very good, but these days it’s delicious. I agree 100%. Feel the same about 2004. Todd disagree, but we all know he has a Cali-palate! [wow.gif] Robert, I have enjoyed 2004s but have thought of the 2001s I have had as a step up. Agree or disagree?

2012 is my largest holdings because I managed to find a very good deal on some Dauvissat grand crus and bought deeply while continuing to buy what I usually buy. I made special efforts in 2014 to stock up a little more given the quality of the vintage. It is interesting that there are times where p...

Best hack - a proven track record. It's far easier to predict future greatness, if the previous releases showed this. The caveat here is that it's only true if there is some sort of meaningful continuity in winemaking practices. It would be easy to think of plenty of producers in France where the l...

We have done a number of times the producers we each have the most of but I cannot remember doing this by vintage: Red: 1 2005 2. 2010 3. 2009 4. 2008 5. 2006 Looking back at these, I think a few factors are in play here other than vintage quality. Surely, 2005 and 2010 are vintage quality. Certainl...

Definitely agree on 1993 white burgundy and 2000 red 1976 red burgundy took 40 years but can now be thrilling 2012 white and 2013 red may outperform expectations (depends on your expectations of course) I have been holding my 2013 reds thinking they need a good bit more time. Is this the correct th...

alan weinberg wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2020, 9:14 pm
93 white Burgs. Acidic and thin on release, lovely balanced wines now.

Agree with this one. Great call.

Also have liked a lot the 2000 Champagnes I have had.

Tom Mann wrote: ↑
February 18th, 2020, 6:36 am
Being released end of March in the UK.

Is this still happening or is it being postponed until the world stabilizes.

On this thread, there is a discussion of how the 2009 white Burgundies have been surprisingly good over time. https://www.wineberserkers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=168312&p=2942660#p2942660 Made me think about other vintages from various areas of the world that also have been surprisingly good. A...

Howard I share your lack of enthusiasm for the 2015 vintage. I bought some library bottles for the dinners, but only a handful of wines for the cellar, most of which are from very old vines, which always seem to outperform in ripe vintages. What did you think of the 2009s at 5 years old? I think I ...

https://nypost.com/2020/03/22/loss-of-t ... ronavirus/

[things are too serious. We need a good trash-talking thread.]

Any aromas of wet horsehair and red English cheese?

God I love Montrose, and that 20 years is so true to form for them in great years, which is why my old ass is not buying. And bummed! I did buy 2014 but did not 2010. The 2005 was my last Montrose from a big structured vintage. The first sign of aging is the wisdom not to buy young Bordeaux vintage...

God I love Montrose, and that 20 years is so true to form for them in great years, which is why my old ass is not buying. And bummed! I did buy 2014 but did not 2010. The 2005 was my last Montrose from a big structured vintage. The first sign of aging is nervousness about whether to buy young Borde...

Nicos, I thought you did not drink German wines under 30 years old? Good morning Howard, and a happy Monday to you too... I tend to prefer drinking German rieslings when they are mature. I find that they are more to my style. I do, on occasion, drink younger German rieslings if they offer pleasure ...

Interesting on the vintages Don. I hope that we all don't get thrown in a few years and find that 2015s taste better than 2014s, the later of which has been the best vintage I have ever tasted young to medium age. I think you're safe on the 2014s (in my opinion a fabulous vintage), but given the si...

Nicos, I thought you did not drink German wines under 30 years old?

Any 15 Jadot pleasers in here? 2015 Louis Jadot Bonnes Mares $280 2015 Louis Jadot Chambertin $300 2015 Louis Jadot Chambertin Clos De Beze $300 2015 Louis Jadot Chambolle Musigny $52 2015 Louis Jadot Chambolle Musigny Les Baudes $84 2015 Louis Jadot Chambolle Musigny Les Feusselottes $77 2015 Loui...

John J wrote: ↑
March 22nd, 2020, 10:24 am

alan weinberg wrote: ↑
March 22nd, 2020, 10:12 am

John J wrote: ↑
March 22nd, 2020, 10:07 am
Both Groffier Chambolles and Ramonet white are good deals
no Ramonet whites on list.
Just caught that.. the Rouge prices are about retail

The cheapest I see on wine-searcher for the 2015 Morgeot is about $90 and the cheapest for the 2016 is $100.

My favorite producers on the list are Bachelet and Hudelot-Noellat.

But the sleepers in the group IMHO are the Ramonet reds. These wines seem to be going up in price (unless you can buy out of Burgundy) and getting harder to find over time.

Interesting on the vintages Don. I hope that we all don't get thrown in a few years and find that 2015s taste better than 2014s, the later of which has been the best vintage I have ever tasted young to medium age.

Thanks for the notes, Don. I haven't checked back explicitly to the '10s and '09s events, but I recall large houses like Bouchard did very well then too. Not to disparage these wines, but it is a little surprising they would consistently do so well compared to the far more pricey "trophies" or flas...

$43 for a Saint-Aubin from PYCM happened long ago in a galaxy far, far away.

maureen nelson wrote: ↑
March 12th, 2020, 5:25 pm
Geez, y’all are depressing the hell out of me!

If you are not depressed, you are insane.

It's pretty much an objective fact in my own mind that Burg scorers (pro and and amateur alike) are the toughest of the bunch. I don't know why that is. Because of Romanee Conti, La Tache, Musigny and such. If these are 100 point wines or something close, probably a really, really good MSD Clos Sor...

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