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by Howard Cooper
April 19th, 2019, 7:45 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Why is the level of fervor is uneven: old world versus new world palates...
Replies: 159
Views: 3309

Re: Why is the level of fervor is uneven: old world versus new world palates...

My first obligation was to provide quality work to the clients. I never, ever yelled at associates or anything like that, but I always felt it was important that any product that went out was of high quality. And, I always felt that one of my obligations was to train associates. You do that by teac...
by Howard Cooper
April 19th, 2019, 12:53 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Why is the level of fervor is uneven: old world versus new world palates...
Replies: 159
Views: 3309

Re: Why is the level of fervor is uneven: old world versus new world palates...

I should have predicted this would be this difficult. Here's how I put it in a PM to someone a few minutes ago. Maybe this will help people understand. This is the way I see it: There are some snobs in the wine world. I think we can probably agree on that. Of those people who are snobs in the wine ...
by Howard Cooper
April 19th, 2019, 12:34 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Dig through this wine list challenge.
Replies: 39
Views: 1216

Re: Dig through this wine list challenge.

MONCHHOF ÜRZINGER WÜRZGARTEN, RIESLING, KABINETT, MOSEL, GERMANY 2015 60 DOMAINE COMTE D'ABBATUCCI, AJACCIO 'FAUSTINE' VIEILLES VIGNES, NIELLUCIU & SCIACCARELU, CORSICA, FRA 2014 75 DOMAINE DE L' CÔTES CATALANES HORIZON, SYRAH & CARIGNAN, LANGUEDOC, FRANCE 2015 70 DOMAINE GRAMENON POIGNEE DE RAISIN...
by Howard Cooper
April 19th, 2019, 12:27 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Why is the level of fervor is uneven: old world versus new world palates...
Replies: 159
Views: 3309

Re: Why is the level of fervor is uneven: old world versus new world palates...

making a relative comment about a group is far different than making a comment about any given person. For example, saying that teenagers tend to be worse drivers than adults does not mean that all teenagers are bad drivers nor does it mean all adults are good drivers. Same thing here: saying the O...
by Howard Cooper
April 19th, 2019, 11:32 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Why is the level of fervor is uneven: old world versus new world palates...
Replies: 159
Views: 3309

Re: Why is the level of fervor is uneven: old world versus new world palates...

Correlation and causation got brought into this by Mark's intellectually dishonest post (Post #79), wherein he mischaracterized my initial comment (which was one of correlation --- i.e.: that I believe the Old World crowd is snobbier than the New World crowd) as being a comment of causation (e.g.: ...
by Howard Cooper
April 19th, 2019, 4:35 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Why is the level of fervor is uneven: old world versus new world palates...
Replies: 159
Views: 3309

Re: Why is the level of fervor is uneven: old world versus new world palates...

Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:
April 18th, 2019, 5:54 pm
Bryan,

It's not my fault if folks choose to read something into what I wrote that is not there. I cannot control how lazily people choose to read. C
What an absolute hypocrite. You are doing exactly to people who like more traditional wines what you don't want people to do to you.
by Howard Cooper
April 19th, 2019, 4:26 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What's your average spend per Champagne bottle in your collection?
Replies: 70
Views: 2020

Re: What's your average spend per Champagne bottle in your collection?

Ebbe Bonde Soerensen wrote:
April 18th, 2019, 6:15 pm

I dont drink so much Champagne any more
This may be the most shocking post I have read in a long time. champagne.gif

But, welcome back!!!! champagne.gif
by Howard Cooper
April 18th, 2019, 9:13 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Why is the level of fervor is uneven: old world versus new world palates...
Replies: 159
Views: 3309

Re: Why is the level of fervor is uneven: old world versus new world palates...

One thing I have found is that lovers of more traditional wines are pretty confidant in their tastes and don't really care what lovers of more modern wines think of the wines they like. For example, I don't think anyone is ever going to get me to stop liking Burgundy because they call it thin and we...
by Howard Cooper
April 18th, 2019, 5:47 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Why is the level of fervor is uneven: old world versus new world palates...
Replies: 159
Views: 3309

Re: Why is the level of fervor is uneven: old world versus new world palates...

Very interesting point that several above have made that I hadn't considered: old world wines, by and large, haven't changed (stylistically speaking) and their wines are much like they've been for decades or longer. New world wineries, in many cases, have gone through a stylistic metamorphosis, arg...
by Howard Cooper
April 18th, 2019, 5:44 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Why is the level of fervor is uneven: old world versus new world palates...
Replies: 159
Views: 3309

Re: Why is the level of fervor is uneven: old world versus new world palates...

old world wines, by and large, haven't changed (stylistically speaking) and their wines are much like they've been for decades or longer. If you believe this, you must not drink much old world wines. Certainly, as you acknowledge, Bordeaux has changed a lot. But so have the wines from Chateauneuff ...
by Howard Cooper
April 18th, 2019, 5:38 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Why is the level of fervor is uneven: old world versus new world palates...
Replies: 159
Views: 3309

Re: Why is the level of fervor is uneven: old world versus new world palates...

Insignia is an excellent example for this discussion. It changed in the early 1990s from a great and interesting wine, to a modern Napa wine, which I disliked intensely. We haven’t changed, the wines did. Sounds like I need to get to taste some +25-yo Insignia then. I guess easier said than done. I...
by Howard Cooper
April 18th, 2019, 5:36 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Why is the level of fervor is uneven: old world versus new world palates...
Replies: 159
Views: 3309

Re: Why is the level of fervor is uneven: old world versus new world palates...

Most (not all) of the modern-bashing posters here don’t come across as snobby to me. For fans of classic, it’s frustrating to experience a producer changing style from one you like to one you don’t like. That might contribute to the tone of some posts. It’s probably most frustrating for the "pickie...
by Howard Cooper
April 18th, 2019, 5:31 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Why is the level of fervor is uneven: old world versus new world palates...
Replies: 159
Views: 3309

Re: Why is the level of fervor is uneven: old world versus new world palates...

For fans of classic, it’s frustrating to experience a producer changing style from one you like to one you don’t like. That might contribute to the tone of some posts. It’s probably most frustrating for the "pickiest eaters" among us with the narrowest palate preferences. This, too. Experienced thi...
by Howard Cooper
April 18th, 2019, 5:08 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Dublere being sold
Replies: 10
Views: 837

Re: Dublere being sold

David Glasser wrote:
April 17th, 2019, 6:58 pm
Wine must have been really something for you to get past the Duke connection! [cheers.gif]

Thanks for the additional detail.
Well, he did not go there, he is just a fan. Believe it or not, I once brought him a dook cap when I visited there. [smileyvault-ban.gif]
by Howard Cooper
April 18th, 2019, 5:07 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wine shopping in Jerusalem
Replies: 6
Views: 310

Re: Wine shopping in Jerusalem

We were in Israel in November and tasted at a small winery named Somek. I thought the wines were quite good. Note that they are not Kosher.
by Howard Cooper
April 17th, 2019, 6:33 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Dublere being sold
Replies: 10
Views: 837

Re: Dublere being sold

I know this is one of your favorites Howard. Do you think the new owners will be producing a significantly different wine? I didn’t know anything about the producer and was intrigued to learn from the link that Blair Pethel was not a native Burgundian, and got his start there less than 2 decades ag...
by Howard Cooper
April 17th, 2019, 6:29 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Dublere being sold
Replies: 10
Views: 837

Re: Dublere being sold

Markus S wrote:
April 17th, 2019, 5:36 pm
Why is it Americans don't seem to have staying power in Burgundy? No wonder the Europeans are wary of us coming over to set up shop.
Blair made wine there for between 15 and 20 years and likely is in his sixties and could be ready to retire. What do you expect from him?
by Howard Cooper
April 17th, 2019, 3:19 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Dublere being sold
Replies: 10
Views: 837

Dublere being sold

https://winehog.org/domaine-dublere-sold-37436/

Sad for me, hopefully happy for Blair. Really nice person and excellent winemaker. Very much enjoy his wines.
by Howard Cooper
April 16th, 2019, 3:39 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Why is the level of fervor is uneven: old world versus new world palates...
Replies: 159
Views: 3309

Re: Why is the level of fervor is uneven: old world versus new world palates...

In a post over on the CT forums, someone re-posted a TN on a well-respected California Bordeaux-style blend (2012 Insignia). The original TN author was clearly not a fan of the wine and, among other things wrote, "I can't for the life of me understand how anybody could be willing to part with 250€ ...
by Howard Cooper
April 16th, 2019, 5:05 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: April Frost in Burgundy
Replies: 54
Views: 2952

Re: April Frost in Burgundy

So while i do not wish them any harm, please dont make out like its a natural disaster Frost destroying crops whether in Burgundy or anywhere else in the world is a natural disaster just like a forest fire, a blizzard, or a flood. I don't understand this comment at all. Explain to me how this is di...
by Howard Cooper
April 15th, 2019, 10:05 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Terry Theise’s 2018 Germany Vintage Report
Replies: 33
Views: 1189

Re: Terry Theise’s 2018 Germany Vintage Report

I like acidity in my German wines. For example, I have really liked vintages like 1990, 2010, etc. I think a lot depends on whether you are drinking dry German wines (which you may need lower acidity because there is no residual sugar to balance the acidity) or more traditional German wines that hav...
by Howard Cooper
April 15th, 2019, 10:00 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Favorite Producer
Replies: 132
Views: 6101

Re: Favorite Producer

Relatively inexpensive seems like $200-300+. Ouch!!!!
by Howard Cooper
April 15th, 2019, 7:56 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Favorite Producer
Replies: 132
Views: 6101

Re: Favorite Producer

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
April 15th, 2019, 5:36 am
Well heck, Howard, I’d pick Haut Brion for both if I could afford that luxury product! I have to go country bumpkin.

Curious, have you had much VCC?
No. But you guys make me wish I have had more.
by Howard Cooper
April 14th, 2019, 7:31 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Favorite Producer
Replies: 132
Views: 6101

Re: Favorite Producer

Favorite producer is Peter Michael. They have it all. Pinot, Chardonnay,Bordeaux blend, white blend and they are all terrific! Based on this logic, Ridge wins easily for me. And indeed, adding up all the various bottlings in my cellar from a given producer, Ridge is my largest holding by a good mar...
by Howard Cooper
April 14th, 2019, 7:12 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Favorite Producer
Replies: 132
Views: 6101

Re: Favorite Producer

Mark Golodetz wrote:
January 2nd, 2019, 5:54 am
Red Vieux Chateau Certan

White None: “a wine’s first obligation is to be red”


Twist my arm Coche-Dury
Interesting. Two people whose palates I very much respect who love Bordeaux have said Vieux Chateau Certan. I will have to keep this in mind. [thankyou.gif]
by Howard Cooper
April 14th, 2019, 5:16 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: April Frost in Burgundy
Replies: 54
Views: 2952

Re: April Frost in Burgundy

But at the end this vintage be the best vintage in decades. neener Not exactly sure why you consider this topic to be such a major source of humor - we are discussing the possibility of a major frost that could cost producers millions or billions of dollars and would cause prices to rise to consume...
by Howard Cooper
April 14th, 2019, 5:08 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: April Frost in Burgundy
Replies: 54
Views: 2952

Re: April Frost in Burgundy

hope that they come out better than in 2016.
by Howard Cooper
April 14th, 2019, 5:21 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2015 Alain Hudelot-Noellat Bourgogne (France, Burgundy, Bourgogne)
Replies: 36
Views: 1416

Re: TN: 2015 Alain Hudelot-Noellat Bourgogne (France, Burgundy, Bourgogne)

Funny thing is, I wasn't giving an opinion on two board favourite Domaines, just giving two personal data points on wines that many may be interested in but not had chance to taste yet. Total overreaction to an opinion on 2 bottles of wine. Your opinion is your opinion. I am a big fan of the wines ...
by Howard Cooper
April 13th, 2019, 4:07 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: How is your average cost per bottle trending?
Replies: 27
Views: 743

Re: How is your average cost per bottle trending?

My average spend this year is a bit up at $76 per bottle, but I am happy to say that my purchases are way down from last year (a monthly trend toward buying just a bit over 1/2 of the bottles I bought last year and last year was down by a good bit compared with 2017. Probably the main reason my aver...
by Howard Cooper
April 13th, 2019, 3:58 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What's a person to do? So many threads. One confession.
Replies: 28
Views: 1513

Re: What's a person to do? So many threads. One confession.

Do I put this in the cellar photo thread? How about the cellar reduction plan thread? Or the WBA thread? What's a person with a buying problem to do? 0412191022.jpg Post you real cellar photos. Not that amateur stuff after the maid cleans up and the junior associates finish indexing out. It is pret...
by Howard Cooper
April 12th, 2019, 5:23 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2018 bdx "fresh"
Replies: 5
Views: 486

Re: 2018 bdx "fresh"

The word "fresh" is used a lot to describe 2018 bdx. What does fresh refer to? More fruit forward? Less complex? Less oak? Drinking fresh squeezed grape juice? Anyone know? [scratch.gif] Fresh means acidity. It’s needed in every wine region, but it’s vital in concentrated wines, especially as alcoh...
by Howard Cooper
April 12th, 2019, 4:43 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What's your average spend per Champagne bottle in your collection?
Replies: 70
Views: 2020

Re: What's your average spend per Champagne bottle in your collection?

For the people voting over $100, how many bottles of Champagne do you have?
by Howard Cooper
April 12th, 2019, 4:32 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2015 Alain Hudelot-Noellat Bourgogne (France, Burgundy, Bourgogne)
Replies: 36
Views: 1416

Re: TN: 2015 Alain Hudelot-Noellat Bourgogne (France, Burgundy, Bourgogne)

I always love when a humble bottle of Bourgogne rouge impresses. Marsannay is my go-to village for knock out Pinot in the $30-$40 range. There are a number of very impressive humble bottles of Bourgogne rouge and similar wines. IMHO, the Hudelot-Noellat is a great buy almost every year. Another exc...
by Howard Cooper
April 11th, 2019, 5:54 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Which red burg vintage (1999-2010) showing well now?
Replies: 93
Views: 3441

Re: Which red burg vintage (1999-2010) showing well now?

My broad brush stroke thoughts, mainly at village and Premier level. 1999 - great vintage, starting to drink really well after sullen period. 2000 - delicious - a point 2001 - a bit leaner and finer, some blossoming, some yet to fully unfurl. 2002 - fleshy, sweet fruited, ageing nicely 2003 - surpr...
by Howard Cooper
April 11th, 2019, 5:06 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What is YOUR most recent wine purchase?
Replies: 10713
Views: 475226

Re: What is YOUR most recent wine purchase?

2 x 2011 Le Piane Boca on Winebid Outbid on: 1970 Haut Bailly 2008 Vilmart Couer de Cuvee Someone snagged two bottles of Maison Leroy Meursault Perrieres at $340 each. Just a wee bit above my comfort zone to take advantage of the arbitrage opportunity (assuming they weren’t fakes.) For the life of ...
by Howard Cooper
April 10th, 2019, 5:32 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Private Appointment Tasting Etiquette
Replies: 132
Views: 5665

Re: Private Appointment Tasting Etiquette

Another possibility, although I doubt it in this case. There are times where I have visited a winery and not bought anything because I buy the wines at home at retail. For example, if I visit Ridge (at either winery), I generally don't buy anything unless I see something I am interested in that I ca...
by Howard Cooper
April 10th, 2019, 5:17 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Which red burg vintage (1999-2010) showing well now?
Replies: 93
Views: 3441

Re: Which red burg vintage (1999-2010) showing well now?

I agree with kudos, but I do have one nit and/or question about description of 08. Can acids really ever soften? Yes, the wine may “soften” but it’s probably something other than the acids. Right? The tannins soften, the fruit unfolds ... and that makes acidity less noticable and better integrated ...
by Howard Cooper
April 10th, 2019, 5:14 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Léoville Las Cases Vertical Dinner
Replies: 7
Views: 924

Re: Léoville Las Cases Vertical Dinner

Congratulations on your anniversary.
by Howard Cooper
April 8th, 2019, 5:48 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: This seems a little excessive, no? (UPDATED - it's not)
Replies: 41
Views: 2701

Re: This seems a little excessive, no?

Dennis Atick wrote:
April 6th, 2019, 2:38 pm
It's funny. The people whose hard work and care go into making this luxury product, one of CA's finest Chardonnays, suggest a serving method for impulsive types, and you all are like, yeah, f*ck that!
+1
by Howard Cooper
April 7th, 2019, 6:14 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Is "Never drink a Bordeaux that is less than 20 years old" just a silly idea.
Replies: 54
Views: 2466

Re: Is "Never drink a Bordeaux that is less than 20 years old" just a silly idea.

2014 Barde-Haut now, not even a decant, and it's kicking butt and taking names. Absolutely drinkable now, although it will age well and gracefully. [cheers.gif] Underappreciated wine that's still in its primary phase. Not surprised. I went to a tasting of 2014 C.B. in 2016 or 2017 and they were ver...
by Howard Cooper
April 7th, 2019, 6:09 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Is "Never drink a Bordeaux that is less than 20 years old" just a silly idea.
Replies: 54
Views: 2466

Re: Is "Never drink a Bordeaux that is less than 20 years old" just a silly idea.

I went in big on Cru Bourgeois 2000 Bordeaux futures and I still have a few cases that I am saving for the 20 year mark, but every time I read CT notes on old Bordeaux, many of them say "tired and over the hill" or "DOA." What say you? I drank most of my Cru Bourgeois 1982s in the first ten years w...
by Howard Cooper
April 7th, 2019, 1:42 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wine Drinking In France Sucks
Replies: 53
Views: 3933

Re: Wine Drinking In France Sucks

Mattstolz wrote:
April 7th, 2019, 9:09 am
wine drinking in France is dead at retail
Do they sell these wines at Binnys?
by Howard Cooper
April 5th, 2019, 5:22 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Which vintages of red Burgundy are you drinking in 2019?
Replies: 23
Views: 1826

Re: Which vintages of red Burgundy are you drinking in 2019?

Thanks for all of the responses so far. Three years ago, 2000 had a slight lead over 1991, 1993, 2001, 2002 and 2007. With the results so far, seems that 1990 has slight lead over 2000 and 2001--although I'd be hard pressed to argue that the difference is statistically significant. I'll leave this ...
by Howard Cooper
April 5th, 2019, 5:17 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Which vintages of red Burgundy are you drinking in 2019?
Replies: 23
Views: 1826

Re: Which vintages of red Burgundy are you drinking in 2019?

Thanks for all of the responses so far. Three years ago, 2000 had a slight lead over 1991, 1993, 2001, 2002 and 2007. With the results so far, seems that 1990 has slight lead over 2000 and 2001--although I'd be hard pressed to argue that the difference is statistically significant. I'll leave this ...
by Howard Cooper
April 5th, 2019, 5:13 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Which vintages of red Burgundy are you drinking in 2019?
Replies: 23
Views: 1826

Re: Which vintages of red Burgundy are you drinking in 2019?

At the very least, the results match up with your notion that 2004 shouldn't be touched right about now. The wisdom of the group would add 2003, 2005 and 2006 as well as untouchables. Unfortunately, it looks like this sample would put 2010 in a similar "don't touch" position. This is where differen...
by Howard Cooper
April 4th, 2019, 7:07 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: JamieGoode: The Privilege of Tasting BDX en Primeur
Replies: 27
Views: 1482

Re: JamieGoode: The Privilege of Tasting BDX en Primeur

Levi Dalton wrote:
April 4th, 2019, 1:43 pm
Hmm. I wonder if getting flown around on private jets by Bordeaux chateau owners might water down the criticism as well.
Levi,

It isn’t that. It is just that in Bordeaux, every year is a vintage of the century. Just like Napa. newhere
by Howard Cooper
April 4th, 2019, 7:04 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: what is too hot for shipping?
Replies: 18
Views: 846

Re: what is too hot for shipping?

In the mid-Atlantic, shipping season is always much longer in the fall than in the Spring, when it can be only a few weeks.

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