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This OP should just be a final exam in Philosophy 301 at Uni. Does the chair exist? I am inclined to nod my head and immediately say that yes, there are objectively good and bad wines. But if a substance is subject to a matter of taste, can it ever be objectively judged? Is Koons's art objectively ...

I had a few diamond bins put in my wine cellar because I thought they would make the whole cellar look prettier. I wish I had not done this. If you stack wines even a bit high, they start to get unstable, even if you put in the same wine or wines of the same size. Maybe if I only used Bordeaux shape...

Assuming that a wine can be objectively bad (exhibiting universally accepted faults and flaws), is objectively good wine simply wine that is not objectively bad? Or are there objective criteria that can be applied to wine that would result in our being able to find the objectively "best" wine. I wo...

I wish my wife had an interest in picking out bottles or just opening something when she felt like it. She enjoys wine, has a good palate, but isn’t into the details and is probably a little intimidated by my obsession. She does have a few favorites she’ll ask for by name on occasion, but she doesn...

John Kight wrote: ↑
November 19th, 2019, 6:03 am
I find them as a group (both Vino Nobile di Montepulciano and Montepulciano d'Abruzzo) to be largely "drinkable but uninspiring" wines.

Not an answer to the OP's question (too expensive), but you might want to try a Montepulciano d'Abruzzo from Pepe.

He seems to like classic Cabernet that is a bit on the richer side. How about Forman? http://www.formanvineyard.com/

Thanks for the notes. Great visit. It is really thrilling to visit Yquem, isn't it?

Do you guys know that it is possible to get locks for your wine cellars? We have a lock and only my wife and I have a key.

I wish my wife had an interest in picking out bottles or just opening something when she felt like it. She enjoys wine, has a good palate, but isn’t into the details and is probably a little intimidated by my obsession. She does have a few favorites she’ll ask for by name on occasion, but she doesn...

c fu wrote: ↑
November 18th, 2019, 10:49 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote: ↑
November 18th, 2019, 10:42 am
Good point, sir.
i know your tricks silly rabbit

But, Robert does get to set the hours for his associates.

c fu wrote: ↑
November 18th, 2019, 9:36 am

Howard Cooper wrote: ↑
November 18th, 2019, 6:46 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote: ↑
November 17th, 2019, 6:50 pm

Just to be clear, while one could posit that we are always working, this is after-hours stuff.
I assumed that all along.
Since Robert sets his own hours, isn't after-hours whenever he feels like it?

Robert does not set his own hours - his clients set them.

Mayacamas or Montelena (esp. 1991 Montelena)

Thursday at my monthly Burg group tasting I had a Pol Roger Champagne (did not write down cuvee) that was very nice. We also had a 2012 Marguet Champagne Ambonnay Rosé that I thought had very nice, rich flavors but that needed more acidity. The star to me of the Champagnes that night was a 2008 Dela...

Another fun one to discover is the Vajra Langhe Freisa "Kye." Vajra is a good Barolo producer, but this bottling of Freisa is really good, good value for the price, drinks well young and also ages at least medium term well. I John, I have never had a bottle of Freisa and bought a Vajra (2013) to tr...

Never really understood the "nebbiolo of the south" thing, the profiles are polar opposite. Aglianico is more like a cross between Graves and Hermitage, and maybe a dash of Bandol? +1 I don't see much similarity in texture/structure or flavor/aroma between nebbiolo and aglianico. But this thread ma...

Robert.A.Jr. wrote: ↑
November 17th, 2019, 6:50 pm

Just to be clear, while one could posit that we are always working, this is after-hours stuff.

I assumed that all along.

House sitter/friend who nearly exclusively liked Italian wine decided to dabble in Burgundy one night. Said she only pulled wines KD which their were at least 2. One was a village Vosne. The other...2001 Mugneret-Gibourg Ruchottes-Chambertin. She said it was the best wine she had ever had. She has ...

There is a great deal of objectivity in the evaluation of wine. *** The notion of Leoville Las Cases, Leoville Barton or Lynch Bages being elevated in the 1855 Classification makes no sense to me. Sure they have all made some great wines, but they lack the breed and full potential of what the first...

Robert.A.Jr. wrote: ↑
November 17th, 2019, 3:13 pm

Markus S wrote: ↑
November 17th, 2019, 3:06 pm
Uh, WHY would you have wine in your office?? (and second, why and how would the company you work for allow this?)
Eh, because I’m an owner?

You should see the Scotch selection....

Also because drunk clients might give one more work.

With respect, the question is meaningless since there is no metric for quality. It is an objective fact that the Beatles sold more records than Zager & Evans. But Zager and Evans are only objectively bad if it is agreed that quality is defined and measured by life time record sales. Most people wou...

. I care about whether the prices I pay for wines from this or any other vineyard (taking into account vintage, producer, age of vines, etc., etc.) are a relatively good value compared with prices from other combinations of vintage, vineyard, producer, age of vines, etc., etc. Well, no one could re...

Doug Lee wrote: ↑
February 18th, 2013, 2:37 pm
Favorite towns: St. Remy and Uzes.

If you are around this area right now, go here https://www.carrieres-lumieres.com/en

I think Chapelle is a grand cru vineyard based on wines I have had from the vineyard from Jadot and Rossignol-Trapet. But I don't really care. I care about whether the prices I pay for wines from this or any other vineyard (taking into account vintage, producer, age of vines, etc., etc.) are a relat...

Mark, do note that I find wine writers who attempt to rate wines objectively to be useless - in fact, I don't think this is possible. We all taste wines subjectively. The closest a wine writer can come to truly being objective is to point out flaws. Besides, what good is it to me if a wine somehow "...

Interesting, I thought it would be a lot more even. I am firmly in the no camp, because for me, and a good or great wine is determined by a lot of subjective notes, usually by experts. The problem is that there is little if any universal agreement. Critics bring to the table their prejudices, bagga...

In terms of regions, I find that Toro, Priorat and a lot of St. Emilions are poor QPR. In terms of specific wines, a few of the worst QPR wines or wineries (IMHO of course) are SQN, Troplong Mondot, le Pin, Pavie, Cos d'Estournal (why buy this instead of Montrose?), Lascombes, most burgundies by Ler...

Interesting, I thought it would be a lot more even. I am firmly in the no camp, because for me, and a good or great wine is determined by a lot of subjective notes, usually by experts. The problem is that there is little if any universal agreement. Critics bring to the table their prejudices, bagga...

I would guess that 99% of the world's wine drinkers (including the French) don''t care what a 2009 Cos will taste like 35 years down the road, as long as it taste "good" for at least 5 years after release. I would guess that 99% of the world's wine drinkers don't buy a wine as expensive as 2009 Cos...

There is a great deal of objectivity in the evaluation of wine. *** The notion of Leoville Las Cases, Leoville Barton or Lynch Bages being elevated in the 1855 Classification makes no sense to me. Sure they have all made some great wines, but they lack the breed and full potential of what the first...

I tend to not shit on other's opinions, but... Yes. Think of food. Is a microwaved HotPocket covered in LuckyCharms and CaptnCrunch just as viable as "good food" if someone likes it? Hard question to answer? I like a good hot fudge sundae as much as any other deserts I have had, even expensive dess...

When people are discussing Corton Charlemagne in comparison of other grand crus, are you comparing CC to Montrachet and Chevalier Montrachet or to Criots-Bâtard-Montrachet and Bienvenues-Bâtard-Montrachet? Should vineyards like Clos de la Roche and Chapelle Chambertin (and others) not be grand crus ...

In general, 2009 is not my favorite vintage.

YLee wrote: ↑
November 15th, 2019, 3:03 pm

Howard Cooper wrote: ↑
November 15th, 2019, 3:01 pm

Jay Miller wrote: ↑
November 15th, 2019, 6:18 am

Champagne isn't part of the new tariffs.
I did not know that. Thanks. What is and what is not?
Wines over 2 liters are exempt.

What countries' wines does it apply to?

Never get too old you geezers! Finally my stuff is trickling in! Texts between me and my secretary today while I’m down on Brickell Key Island. C8182EA3-6B8E-482C-9BB4-F06079792889.jpeg Robert, I think you should change your signature to "You might be out of control." Love it. Most secretaries prob...

Jay Miller wrote: ↑
November 15th, 2019, 6:18 am

Howard Cooper wrote: ↑
November 15th, 2019, 6:14 am

Jay Miller wrote: ↑
November 15th, 2019, 4:53 am

I heard some time in 2020. Of course that was a while ago and these things are subject to,change.
I wonder if they are waiting to see if something gets worked out on tariffs.
Champagne isn't part of the new tariffs.

I did not know that. Thanks. What is and what is not?

It is kind of scary how many people are waiting on the 2008 CdC. I hope that they make a lot of it or the price [wow.gif] Any indication on when they will release the 2008 CdC?? I heard some time in 2020. Of course that was a while ago and these things are subject to,change. I wonder if they are wa...

Last night I had a 2008 Delamotte Champagne that was quite good.

When I first read the title I thought the proper response would be from lifting weights.

Robert.A.Jr. wrote: ↑
November 14th, 2019, 3:54 pm
You old men are resembling me!

Fixed it.

Do you people in Orlando know what a basement is?

I assume I will magically turn crotchety like you guys when I turn 50 in April. I’m used to being on a ladder five feet in the air while moving full cases in a very cramped wine locker at Chelsea Wine Storage. Admittedly dicey. But Jay Miller was one of my locker mates, and I saw him do a pirouette...

Gentlemen, the solution is simple and requires 3 items: a long plank of flat plywood, a thick rope and a crate with a handle. The plywood goes on the stairs and serves as your ramp. Tie the rope to one end of the crate securely to the handle. Place the wine bottles in the crate, grab the rope, and ...

Also, there still are vintages like 2008, 2010, 2013 and 2015 with good acidity, at least some places. It is strange to me that these types of vintages are now outliers and offputting to many younger drinkers of German wines. I'm not a younger drinker of German wines ( [wink.gif] ), but I found the...

I assume I will magically turn crotchety like you guys when I turn 50 in April. I’m used to being on a ladder five feet in the air while moving full cases in a very cramped wine locker at Chelsea Wine Storage. Admittedly dicey. But Jay Miller was one of my locker mates, and I saw him do a pirouette...

John Morris wrote: ↑
November 14th, 2019, 6:08 am
But the alcohol (sometimes up to 15%) shows on some young nebbiolos now, and it's hard to think that's a good thing.

That is certainly true in a lot of regions - most of the great Cabernet Sauvignon regions, for example.

Howard, I know what you're saying about some vintages lacking acidity along the Mosel itself, but I think this is more about personal preference than quality. Plenty of relatively low acid vintages are aging very well. The underripe vintages of the past were true disasters for a lot of producers. E...

As a young and speedy member. I really enjoy watching you old farts slowing down a bit and letting some of us young bloods get the bottles you wish you bought. Now if you could only do that with your housing too!!!! TW When I bought 1982 Cos d’Estournal, it was $130 a case. I hate you. From a guy w...

Loire reds. Not sure I want change to the Loire whites, generally speaking. We definitely seem to be having greater consistency in Loire Cab Franc vintages, through other factors, such as farming and winemaking approach, surely play some role. Does anyone else think that we also seem to be having m...

I want to mention 2014 Château de Fosse-Seche Saumur Arcane. I don't have that much experience with Fosse-Seche but I very much liked this wine.

MMMMhhh.... I understand... wines are getting better... not my fault... global warming...yep, let's have a bit more... I'll try this one on my best part "I drink more because it gets better..".... so transparent... she is going to love it Did you read the first sentence of my OP? I drive an EV and ...

T. Williams wrote: ↑
November 13th, 2019, 6:23 pm
As a young and speedy member. I really enjoy watching you old farts slowing down a bit and letting some of us young bloods get the bottles you wish you bought. Now if you could only do that with your housing too!!!!

TW

When I bought 1982 Cos d’Estournal, it was $130 a case.

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