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by Howard Cooper
September 18th, 2020, 6:20 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Official High Holy Days 2020 (5781) Wine Thread
Replies: 11
Views: 520

Re: Official High Holy Days 2020 (5781) Wine Thread

I wanted a Burgundy but it had to go decently with brisket. So, we opened a NSG - a 2006 Hospices de Nuits Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru Les Didiers Cuvée Jacques Duret Faiveley (Hospices Auction Group). It did pretty well in that it was richer with nice plum flavors but not that much complexity that wo...
by Howard Cooper
September 18th, 2020, 1:06 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Underrated Burgundy Vintages
Replies: 64
Views: 2123

Re: Underrated Burgundy Vintages

It's possible that I'm just a terrible taster, but we just did a dinner a few months ago with a bunch of 05s, and the clear winners were two non 05 ringers. Even wines as plush and typically open as Mugneret Gibourg's Fueselottes need 3 hours or more to open up. (On pop and pour a few weeks earlier...
by Howard Cooper
September 18th, 2020, 12:57 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Underrated Burgundy Vintages
Replies: 64
Views: 2123

Re: Underrated Burgundy Vintages

FWIW in relation to whites I reckon 2013s might be a real bolster. Very early days of course. Again, with whites, I would say that the real underrated vintage is 1993. Parker trashed both the reds and whites from this vintage, but the wines from both colors are really good. I also agree with the co...
by Howard Cooper
September 18th, 2020, 12:43 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Underrated Burgundy Vintages
Replies: 64
Views: 2123

Re: Underrated Burgundy Vintages

The hope is that you're right, the fear is that you're wrong. 2005s have plenty of acidity. 2005s have everything. It's as close as you can get to a sure thing in wine. Comparing it to '95 just sounds craaaazy to me. '95 has had hard tannin forever and some of them lost their fruit before they even...
by Howard Cooper
September 17th, 2020, 4:52 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Underrated Burgundy Vintages
Replies: 64
Views: 2123

Re: Underrated Burgundy Vintages

If we are now going back in time, I am going with 1993.
by Howard Cooper
September 17th, 2020, 12:02 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Underrated Burgundy Vintages
Replies: 64
Views: 2123

Re: Underrated Burgundy Vintages

My feeling about recent vintages is this. 1999, 2005 (I hope) and 2010 are the great vintages. I'm less confident making that call on 2005, as I have some concerns that it might go the way of 96 (though I really hope I'm wrong). I also think 2016 is a great vintage, personally. What’s happening wit...
by Howard Cooper
September 17th, 2020, 8:55 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Underrated Burgundy Vintages
Replies: 64
Views: 2123

Re: Underrated Burgundy Vintages

My feeling about recent vintages is this. 1999, 2005 (I hope) and 2010 are the great vintages. 2004 is a poor vintage and 2003 and 2011 are very uneven. Everything else since at least 1999 is at least pretty good, although they can be stylistically very different from each other. How to rank these v...
by Howard Cooper
September 17th, 2020, 7:01 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2018 Red Burgs - time to crack a few!
Replies: 48
Views: 3211

Re: 2018 Red Burgs - time to crack a few!

So far, what I have tasted in red from 2019 is very exciting indeed... I tasted Cécile Tremblay's wines the other day (she moves her barrels up a level in the cellar after harvest, before bottling next year, so I like to go early before the lees are disturbed by that operation) and it's clearly her...
by Howard Cooper
September 17th, 2020, 5:46 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: J J Prum: the last great wine house priced reasonably.
Replies: 179
Views: 7889

Re: J J Prum: the last great wine house priced reasonably.

So, by your definition Lafite, Margaux and Ausone are not great wine houses. [There is a debate (above) about the consistency of Grunhaus. I doubt there would be too many people trying to argue that these properties have not had down periods - anyone who disagrees should try, say, the 1970s from an...
by Howard Cooper
September 17th, 2020, 5:44 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: J J Prum: the last great wine house priced reasonably.
Replies: 179
Views: 7889

Re: J J Prum: the last great wine house priced reasonably.

Since this thread is already way off-topic.... Question for Von Schubert fans: is it reasonable to say, at least as a rough rule of thumb, that in general Abtsberg > Herrenberg? Or do we not go there? For my palate, yes. But this should not be taken to mean that Herrenberg isn't also wonderful. Agr...
by Howard Cooper
September 17th, 2020, 5:26 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: J J Prum: the last great wine house priced reasonably.
Replies: 179
Views: 7889

Re: J J Prum: the last great wine house priced reasonably.

eweininger wrote:
September 16th, 2020, 6:42 pm
Since this thread is already way off-topic....

Question for Von Schubert fans: is it reasonable to say, at least as a rough rule of thumb, that in general Abtsberg > Herrenberg? Or do we not go there?
For my palate, yes.
by Howard Cooper
September 17th, 2020, 5:24 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2018 Red Burgs - time to crack a few!
Replies: 48
Views: 3211

Re: 2018 Red Burgs - time to crack a few!

19s sound like they will be tremendous. So far, what I have tasted in red from 2019 is very exciting indeed... I tasted Cécile Tremblay's wines the other day (she moves her barrels up a level in the cellar after harvest, before bottling next year, so I like to go early before the lees are disturbed...
by Howard Cooper
September 16th, 2020, 6:41 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: J J Prum: the last great wine house priced reasonably.
Replies: 179
Views: 7889

Re: J J Prum: the last great wine house priced reasonably.

I agree on the 1979 Ausone. But, I was specifically talking about 1970, which was a fabulous vintage where none of these properties made very good wines. Certainly, each of these had a period around this time of severe underperformance, although the specific dates differ. Try 1983s, 1989s and 1990s...
by Howard Cooper
September 16th, 2020, 3:13 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: J J Prum: the last great wine house priced reasonably.
Replies: 179
Views: 7889

Re: J J Prum: the last great wine house priced reasonably.

This is easy, despite great Terrior Von Schubert has had a number of periods of inconsistency. I would argue that even now they are underperforming their peers. So, by your definition Lafite, Margaux and Ausone are not great wine houses. [There is a debate (above) about the consistency of Grunhaus....
by Howard Cooper
September 16th, 2020, 12:30 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: J J Prum: the last great wine house priced reasonably.
Replies: 179
Views: 7889

Re: J J Prum: the last great wine house priced reasonably.

I would like to amend my original post and add the great Port houses to the list. Fonseca, Taylor, Graham etc. That is unless we are just dealing with table wines. What is your definition of a "great wine house"? As I asked much earlier, what is the difference between Prum and von Schubert as far a...
by Howard Cooper
September 16th, 2020, 5:11 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: J J Prum: the last great wine house priced reasonably.
Replies: 179
Views: 7889

Re: J J Prum: the last great wine house priced reasonably.

I would like to amend my original post and add the great Port houses to the list. Fonseca, Taylor, Graham etc. That is unless we are just dealing with table wines. What is your definition of a "great wine house"? As I asked much earlier, what is the difference between Prum and von Schubert as far a...
by Howard Cooper
September 15th, 2020, 4:11 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Pernand Vergelesses
Replies: 31
Views: 1780

Re: Pernand Vergelesses

Hmmm, that doesn't sound like the wine I had back in March. My CT note below: Very well judged ripeness bestows the wine with lovely perfumed red cherry fruit accented with damp forest floor on a foundation of firm but elegant tannins, lifted acidity, and a lingering soft finish. 92+ This note is m...
by Howard Cooper
September 14th, 2020, 6:40 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2001 Dr. Loosen Ürziger Würzgarten Riesling Spätlese
Replies: 23
Views: 1144

Re: TN: 2001 Dr. Loosen Ürziger Würzgarten Riesling Spätlese

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
May 11th, 2019, 6:08 pm
It’s not nearly as good.
Agreed
by Howard Cooper
September 13th, 2020, 3:18 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2001 Côte de Nuits, which producers really killed it?
Replies: 39
Views: 1753

Re: 2001 Côte de Nuits, which producers really killed it?

Might be easier to ask if any usually good producers didn't make great wine in 2001. If so, they would probably be in Volnay. 2001 Volnays did not have a good reputation but the only ones I bought (d'Angerville Clos du Ducs) have turned out better than I thought they would and are excellent. Yes, b...
by Howard Cooper
September 13th, 2020, 10:54 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2001 Côte de Nuits, which producers really killed it?
Replies: 39
Views: 1753

Re: 2001 Côte de Nuits, which producers really killed it?

Jay Miller wrote:
September 13th, 2020, 7:33 am
Might be easier to ask if any usually good producers didn't make great wine in 2001.
If so, they would probably be in Volnay. 2001 Volnays did not have a good reputation but the only ones I bought (d'Angerville Clos du Ducs) have turned out better than I thought they would and are excellent.
by Howard Cooper
September 12th, 2020, 4:44 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Heitz buys Burgess
Replies: 14
Views: 1765

Re: Heitz buys Burgess

I remember having some Burgess Cabernets from the late 1970s but have not had any or even seen any (other than in a friend's cellar) for a very long, long time. I thought the wines were very good but not of the highest level. Interesting, esp. Mel's comments.
by Howard Cooper
September 12th, 2020, 2:34 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2001 Côte de Nuits, which producers really killed it?
Replies: 39
Views: 1753

Re: 2001 Côte de Nuits, which producers really killed it?

See a whole bunch of MSD wines on this list - Dujac, Lignier, Truchot, Lambrays. Now I am a huge fan of wines from MSD, so this does not really shock me in any vintage, but it is interesting here.
by Howard Cooper
September 12th, 2020, 2:27 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: J J Prum: the last great wine house priced reasonably.
Replies: 179
Views: 7889

Re: J J Prum: the last great wine house priced reasonably.

Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
September 12th, 2020, 8:58 am
Barry L i p t o n wrote:
September 12th, 2020, 8:36 am
Does Prum make a GG?
No
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by Howard Cooper
September 12th, 2020, 6:36 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2001 Côte de Nuits, which producers really killed it?
Replies: 39
Views: 1753

Re: 2001 Côte de Nuits, which producers really killed it?

Certainly Truchot. His 2001s are incredible.

Also, Clos des Lambrays, Bachelet and Rossignol-Trapet.
by Howard Cooper
September 11th, 2020, 6:18 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: J J Prum: the last great wine house priced reasonably.
Replies: 179
Views: 7889

Re: J J Prum: the last great wine house priced reasonably.

Had a 2005 Bernkastler Badstube Spatlese from Prum tonight. What a beautiful wines and my guess it will drink beautifully for many, many years. Prum really hit it out of the park in 2005.
by Howard Cooper
September 11th, 2020, 6:15 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2015 White Burg Premox? Say it ain't so!
Replies: 12
Views: 828

Re: TN: 2015 White Burg Premox? Say it ain't so!

I had a premoxed 2012 Jouard some time ago so can’t consider this in any way surprising. The retailer replaced the bottle but even the replacement was heading that way, even if it was actually enjoyable still. The retailer of course claimed that he had never heard of a premoxed bottle of Jouard bef...
by Howard Cooper
September 11th, 2020, 1:09 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: At What Price Point Will You Boycott The 2008 Taittinger Comtes?
Replies: 105
Views: 5169

Re: At What Price Point Will You Boycott The 2008 Taittinger Comtes?

If not buying wine because the price is more than I want to pay for it constitutes boycotting, I am currently boycotting thousands of wines! I thought the same thing. A "boycott" is a much more active, punitive thing than just not buying something because the price is too high. Agreed. My favorite ...
by Howard Cooper
September 10th, 2020, 6:22 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2017 Joseph Drouhin Chorey-les-Beaune
Replies: 9
Views: 465

Re: TN: 2017 Joseph Drouhin Chorey-les-Beaune

Great call on the Drouhin. Dublere also made an excellent Chorey-les-Beaune.
by Howard Cooper
September 10th, 2020, 1:14 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2014 Mugneret-Gibourg Nuits-Saint-Georges 1er Les Chaignots
Replies: 67
Views: 3239

Re: TN: 2014 Mugneret-Gibourg Nuits-Saint-Georges 1er Les Chaignots

Don't be obtuse, I didn't mention tariffs. My restaurant gets allocated the wines because we do a lot of business with the portfolio of the wholesaler. We also get Rosenthal allocations because we do a lot of business with the portfolio, the whole portfolio. We do not get Dujac, DRC and others that...
by Howard Cooper
September 10th, 2020, 11:13 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2014 Mugneret-Gibourg Nuits-Saint-Georges 1er Les Chaignots
Replies: 67
Views: 3239

Re: TN: 2014 Mugneret-Gibourg Nuits-Saint-Georges 1er Les Chaignots

If you aren't that kind of good customer (good means you buy broadly and don't just try to cherry pick) why shouldn't the retailer price to market? The "let them eat cake" voice of ITB-ish, the guy who can buy wholesale. If you aren't ITB and don't buy $10,000 of wine from a store a year, you don't...
by Howard Cooper
September 10th, 2020, 6:27 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2014 Mugneret-Gibourg Nuits-Saint-Georges 1er Les Chaignots
Replies: 67
Views: 3239

Re: TN: 2014 Mugneret-Gibourg Nuits-Saint-Georges 1er Les Chaignots

If you aren't that kind of good customer (good means you buy broadly and don't just try to cherry pick) why shouldn't the retailer price to market? The "let them eat cake" voice of ITB-ish, the guy who can buy wholesale. If you aren't ITB and don't buy $10,000 of wine from a store a year, you don't...
by Howard Cooper
September 9th, 2020, 12:15 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Has the Wine Advocate basically given up at this point?
Replies: 113
Views: 10468

Re: Has the Wine Advocate basically given up at this point?

Aren't all the SQN wines going to be big, jammy, and alcoholic and get 95+ points anyway? If you like that style who cares about the reviews...just buy them. And taste like Black Forest Cake. Haters gotta hate, as I have said before. The 2010 Stockholm Syndrome Syrah was outstanding on Sunday night...
by Howard Cooper
September 9th, 2020, 12:11 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Has the Wine Advocate basically given up at this point?
Replies: 113
Views: 10468

Re: Has the Wine Advocate basically given up at this point?

So what I'm wondering is whether anyone will really buy or not buy based on a review. All of the people on this thread have opinions on the various wines. Take Realm for example. If you know it and like it are you seriously going to avoid it because it got a few points less than last year? Or are y...
by Howard Cooper
September 9th, 2020, 5:11 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Has the Wine Advocate basically given up at this point?
Replies: 113
Views: 10468

Re: Has the Wine Advocate basically given up at this point?

For a lot of people, a high score from the WA has historically influenced the flip value of the wine. My guess is that this is a good bit of the reason why people who buy a wine anyway want a WA score. Also, bragging rights - Look at me, I am drinking a 98 point wine. Not to forget that 99.9% of al...
by Howard Cooper
September 9th, 2020, 5:08 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Has the Wine Advocate basically given up at this point?
Replies: 113
Views: 10468

Re: Has the Wine Advocate basically given up at this point?

Ian, I guess I’m saying I think the notion that assuming a particular producer will always make a great wine in good vintages, and that they can automatically be placed in their spot in the hierarchy, is questionable. While I agree that good producers will almost always do good things in good vinta...
by Howard Cooper
September 9th, 2020, 5:04 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Has the Wine Advocate basically given up at this point?
Replies: 113
Views: 10468

Re: Has the Wine Advocate basically given up at this point?

Like with any critics publication I read the WA mostly to learn about wines, vintages, regions, development in these regions, etc. The scores are not that important to me (although when everybody says that this or that wine is special this year, then it certainly influences me. But it’s always more...
by Howard Cooper
September 9th, 2020, 4:58 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Has the Wine Advocate basically given up at this point?
Replies: 113
Views: 10468

Re: Has the Wine Advocate basically given up at this point?

So what I'm wondering is whether anyone will really buy or not buy based on a review. All of the people on this thread have opinions on the various wines. Take Realm for example. If you know it and like it are you seriously going to avoid it because it got a few points less than last year? Or are y...
by Howard Cooper
September 9th, 2020, 4:55 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Has the Wine Advocate basically given up at this point?
Replies: 113
Views: 10468

Re: Has the Wine Advocate basically given up at this point?

And the best part is, Jeb and Pat are both good dudes and would enjoy popping something together! Granted, we may need two bottles to account for preferences! I’ll moderate. Just give Jeb and your wife a bottle of Ovid and they won’t bother you while you’re drinking the weedy stuff! I dunno, post-C...
by Howard Cooper
September 9th, 2020, 4:33 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What is YOUR most recent wine purchase?
Replies: 14432
Views: 707156

Re: What is YOUR most recent wine purchase?

strawman You're welcome. If you have more of the Spätlesen, uncork one of them. You can't go wrong—e.g., AP 14 (Ternes) has 88° Oechsle and 60 g/l RS. That's less ripe and sweet than many other producers' Kabinetts. Less ripe than other producers' Kabinetts in the Saar or elsewhere in Germany? Also...
by Howard Cooper
September 8th, 2020, 2:47 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What is YOUR most recent wine purchase?
Replies: 14432
Views: 707156

Re: What is YOUR most recent wine purchase?

strawman You're welcome, Jim. Those five wines come from different parcels or sections of Niedermenniger Herrenberg and were vinified separately. For those buyers who want to know the differences, the bottling number is in a larger, bold typeface. I wouldn't say that there's a significant quality o...
by Howard Cooper
September 8th, 2020, 5:52 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2014 Red Burgundy
Replies: 58
Views: 4456

Re: 2014 Red Burgundy

I think 17s are in their sweet spot atm. After opening that Drouhin Laroze Beze that was shut down hard, I’m staying away from 14s for at least a couple yrs. For the most part I agree, but 17 Arnoux-Lachaux Hautes Maizières was shutting down pretty hard about 2 weeks ago Interesting. When I was at ...
by Howard Cooper
September 8th, 2020, 5:20 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What is YOUR most recent wine purchase?
Replies: 14432
Views: 707156

Re: What is YOUR most recent wine purchase?

You're welcome, Jim. Those five wines come from different parcels or sections of Niedermenniger Herrenberg and were vinified separately. For those buyers who want to know the differences, the bottling number is in a larger, bold typeface. I wouldn't say that there's a significant quality or style d...
by Howard Cooper
September 8th, 2020, 5:11 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Versatile Riesling
Replies: 6
Views: 478

Re: Versatile Riesling

Rieslings are really good with lots of types of food including Chinese, Indian, and other spicy foods.
by Howard Cooper
September 8th, 2020, 5:06 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2014 Red Burgundy
Replies: 58
Views: 4456

Re: 2014 Red Burgundy

Opened a 2014 d'Angerville Volnay 1er Cru tonight. Beautiful, primary and velvety at first, but after an hour it closed up on itself and became a wall of tannin. Some deep chocolatey and high-toned floral aspects as well, but they diminished with air. A 14 Fourrier Gevrey VV closed up similarly in ...
by Howard Cooper
September 8th, 2020, 4:57 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2014 Red Burgundy
Replies: 58
Views: 4456

Re: 2014 Red Burgundy

Opened a 2014 d'Angerville Volnay 1er Cru tonight. Beautiful, primary and velvety at first, but after an hour it closed up on itself and became a wall of tannin. Some deep chocolatey and high-toned floral aspects as well, but they diminished with air. A 14 Fourrier Gevrey VV closed up similarly in ...
by Howard Cooper
September 7th, 2020, 5:53 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2014 Mugneret-Gibourg Nuits-Saint-Georges 1er Les Chaignots
Replies: 67
Views: 3239

Re: TN: 2014 Mugneret-Gibourg Nuits-Saint-Georges 1er Les Chaignots

c fu wrote:
September 7th, 2020, 5:25 pm
D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
September 7th, 2020, 5:24 pm
Tariffs have hurt as well. 25% price jump is a big freaking deal.
But it’s 25% at the import level. Not at the retail.
A 25% increase at the import level usually results in a 25% increase at retail, but that should not be true when wines are being sold for 3-5 times the price at the winery.
by Howard Cooper
September 7th, 2020, 4:16 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2014 Mugneret-Gibourg Nuits-Saint-Georges 1er Les Chaignots
Replies: 67
Views: 3239

Re: TN: 2014 Mugneret-Gibourg Nuits-Saint-Georges 1er Les Chaignots

I was able to justify purchases(long retail relationships with prices less than full retail helped) through ‘14 for BR, V-R, NSG, Chaignots, snd, believe it or not, even C-M Feusselottes. With ‘15 vintage I could not justify any bottling - prices increased 33-50% - and will arguably never be able t...
by Howard Cooper
September 6th, 2020, 6:25 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Top Cellar Holdings by Producer and Some Thoughts on how/why that's Changed
Replies: 87
Views: 4895

Re: Top Cellar Holdings by Producer and Some Thoughts on how/why that's Changed

Thanks everyone, especially those with notes about how things have or haven't changed. So often, when new wine collectors ask for advice about what to buy or cellar, they hear "be careful, your tastes may change," which is absolutely true, but that just touches the surface of how things can change ...
by Howard Cooper
September 6th, 2020, 6:21 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: J J Prum: the last great wine house priced reasonably.
Replies: 179
Views: 7889

Re: J J Prum: the last great wine house priced reasonably.

Graacher Himmelreich Wehlener Sonnenuhr Both Prum and W Schaefer make these wines . How do they compare? For different cuvees (kab, spat...) It’s interesting - Willi Schaefer’s wehlener sonnenuhr has always seemed a bit like a forgotten cuvée. There isn’t much, and I don’t think he makes a kabinett...

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