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by Howard Cooper
January 18th, 2020, 6:29 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Top three white Burgundy producers in your cellar
Replies: 58
Views: 1328

Re: Top three white Burgundy producers in your cellar

That was certainly an omission, given that Moreau is arguably that site's best exponent today! I have 2014s from Moreau, Ramonet and Drouhin so I hope to test that issue someday side-by-side, at least from that vintage. However, I had a 2014 Ramonet last week that is going to be really tough for an...
by Howard Cooper
January 18th, 2020, 6:28 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Top three white Burgundy producers in your cellar
Replies: 58
Views: 1328

Re: Top three white Burgundy producers in your cellar

That was certainly an omission, given that Moreau is arguably that site's best exponent today! I have 2014s from Moreau, Ramonet and Drouhin so I hope to test that issue someday side-by-side, at least from that vintage. However, I had a 2014 Ramonet last week that is going to be really tough for an...
by Howard Cooper
January 18th, 2020, 6:25 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2 DC Dinners - 21 Bottles of Gevrey-Chambertin
Replies: 9
Views: 1107

Re: 2 DC Dinners - 21 Bottles of Gevrey-Chambertin

I can’t say that this red burg neophyte came away with an ability to identify a Gevrey-Chambertin Identifying wines as coming from a particular Burgundy village is really difficult. Our Burg group (with a number of longtime Burgundy lovers) once years ago did a blind tasting of Chambolle vs. Pommar...
by Howard Cooper
January 18th, 2020, 6:17 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Honoring Michel Lafarge
Replies: 2
Views: 170

Re: Honoring Michel Lafarge

Sounds great Mike.
by Howard Cooper
January 18th, 2020, 6:16 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Top three white Burgundy producers in your cellar
Replies: 58
Views: 1328

Re: Top three white Burgundy producers in your cellar

That was certainly an omission, given that Moreau is arguably that site's best exponent today! I have 2014s from Moreau, Ramonet and Drouhin so I hope to test that issue someday side-by-side, at least from that vintage. However, I had a 2014 Ramonet last week that is going to be really tough for an...
by Howard Cooper
January 18th, 2020, 6:10 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Top three white Burgundy producers in your cellar
Replies: 58
Views: 1328

Re: Top three white Burgundy producers in your cellar

For me it is Ramonet Bernard Moreau Bouchard Pere My numbers for each of these are much lower than for my top red Burgundy producers, which makes sense as I do not want to hold white Burgundies for long periods anymore. Have been hearing a lot about Bernard Moreau as of late but haven't gotten arou...
by Howard Cooper
January 18th, 2020, 6:05 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Top three white Burgundy producers in your cellar
Replies: 58
Views: 1328

Re: Top three white Burgundy producers in your cellar

A. So wrote:
January 17th, 2020, 12:05 pm
This whole thread has cemented one thing in my mind. I own much less white Burgundy than I thought because I actually drink a ton of it...
Great reason.
by Howard Cooper
January 17th, 2020, 12:03 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Top three white Burgundy producers in your cellar
Replies: 58
Views: 1328

Re: Top three white Burgundy producers in your cellar

- Cardeuse: monopole in red since 1952, from the southern end of Moregot, a contender for the title of best red Chassagne being made I have enjoyed his red villages CM a number of times but only tasted the Cardeuse for the first time a couple of years ago at the winery. Very excited that in the las...
by Howard Cooper
January 17th, 2020, 11:59 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Top three white Burgundy producers in your cellar
Replies: 58
Views: 1328

Re: Top three white Burgundy producers in your cellar

Have been hearing a lot about Bernard Moreau as of late but haven't gotten around to trying any of the wines. Are there any bottlings in particular that you think are a good introduction to the house style? The style is incisive, concentrated and elegantly textural. There's an I'll Drink To That po...
by Howard Cooper
January 17th, 2020, 11:58 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Top three white Burgundy producers in your cellar
Replies: 58
Views: 1328

Re: Top three white Burgundy producers in your cellar

For me it is Ramonet Bernard Moreau Bouchard Pere My numbers for each of these are much lower than for my top red Burgundy producers, which makes sense as I do not want to hold white Burgundies for long periods anymore. Have been hearing a lot about Bernard Moreau as of late but haven't gotten arou...
by Howard Cooper
January 17th, 2020, 11:52 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Should we be evaluating natural wine differently?
Replies: 33
Views: 791

Re: Should we be evaluating natural wine differently?

Let me first state that I haven't had enough natural wine to firmly state whether or not I'm in or out. I've had some pretty funky ones that, quite frankly, I didn't like. I've never had a natural red that I liked, but whites have been closer. To me, so many of what I've tried had an oxidative sens...
by Howard Cooper
January 17th, 2020, 5:49 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Top three white Burgundy producers in your cellar
Replies: 58
Views: 1328

Top three white Burgundy producers in your cellar

For me it is

Ramonet
Bernard Moreau
Bouchard Pere

My numbers for each of these are much lower than for my top red Burgundy producers, which makes sense as I do not want to hold white Burgundies for long periods anymore.
by Howard Cooper
January 17th, 2020, 5:45 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2017 Domaine Marc Colin Chassagne-Montrachet Caillerets
Replies: 13
Views: 709

Re: TN: 2017 Domaine Marc Colin Chassagne-Montrachet Caillerets

Nice note, thanks Don I love Marc Colin's White Burgs......He no longer gets the accolades like in the past, which have now mostly gone to his son PYCM, but his wines to me are always superb, and they age well too......... This wine is better than PYCMs to me. Just a data point however. I like the ...
by Howard Cooper
January 17th, 2020, 5:28 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: White Burgundy under DIAM
Replies: 23
Views: 1495

Re: White Burgundy under DIAM

That said, I taste from Diam bottles all the time, and pour them for people all the time. I have had 3 bottles in 8 years that I thought were odd/weird/inhibited in a way that felt like the closure might be responsible. That seems like a terrific endorsement for DIAM. I assume that with wines close...
by Howard Cooper
January 16th, 2020, 7:21 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: High alcohol wines and aging
Replies: 98
Views: 4027

Re: High alcohol wines and aging

Last night, I had a 2018 grand cru Burgundy from a well known producer in Gevrey whose name I will omit to avoid giving him a bad rep. Raw, disjointed with no meaningful varietal characteristics noted because the harshness of the wine overpowered anything interesting that might have been hiding in ...
by Howard Cooper
January 16th, 2020, 7:09 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: High alcohol wines and aging
Replies: 98
Views: 4027

Re: High alcohol wines and aging

Turley Zins do age. Not sure they gain a lot, but they don't lose anything - at least when it comes to single vineyard releases. I just had an 08 Mead Ranch and it was great. Big and brambly blackberry fruit. No heat to speak of even though it's right around 16% ABV. I've heard that Carlisle and Be...
by Howard Cooper
January 16th, 2020, 7:06 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: White Burgundy under DIAM
Replies: 23
Views: 1495

Re: White Burgundy under DIAM

As I said above, I have had Bernard Moreau Bourgogne Blanc closed with DIAM.
by Howard Cooper
January 15th, 2020, 5:35 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: White Burgundy under DIAM
Replies: 23
Views: 1495

Re: White Burgundy under DIAM

Another data point. viewtopic.php?f=1&t=166562
by Howard Cooper
January 15th, 2020, 5:33 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Burgundy 2018, impressions from barrel
Replies: 125
Views: 8331

Re: Burgundy 2018, impressions from barrel

Brady Daniels wrote:
January 14th, 2020, 11:56 am


I highly recommend attending London EP. Between the tastings and meeting up with generous friends it’s like a MUCH cheaper La Paulee.
For better or worse, certainly one major difference is that the London tastings seems to be 2018s while the Paulee in NY in March will be showing 2017s.
by Howard Cooper
January 15th, 2020, 5:28 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: White Burgundy under DIAM
Replies: 23
Views: 1495

Re: White Burgundy under DIAM

Bernard Moreau apparently uses DIAM on his Bourgogne Blanc (at least that is what I have pulled out of the bottle). Not sure about his other wines - have not paid enough attention.
by Howard Cooper
January 14th, 2020, 7:52 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2017 Pierre-Yves Colin-Morey Chassagne-Montrachet 1er Cru Les Caillerets
Replies: 9
Views: 555

Re: TN: 2017 Pierre-Yves Colin-Morey Chassagne-Montrachet 1er Cru Les Caillerets

I used to buy PYCM but have pretty much stopped as the prices have gotten too high. I like the wines a good bit, but it seems like today I can even get Ramonet for less money around here and I like Ramonet even more.
by Howard Cooper
January 14th, 2020, 7:51 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 1999 Chateau Lanessan. This is why we do it.
Replies: 44
Views: 1636

Re: TN: 1999 Chateau Lanessan. This is why we do it.

At a higher but not nosebleed level of wine, I recently had a 1989 Beychevelle that really was tasty. Are they still making wines in a traditional style?
by Howard Cooper
January 14th, 2020, 7:30 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Who isn't drinking their share?
Replies: 33
Views: 1604

Re: Who isn't drinking their share?

This thread seems backwards. Why would I want wine sales to go up????? I would love to see worldwide purchases and consumption of Burgundy, Bordeaux, German wines and Champagne go way down so prices go down. My preference is for people to shift to drinking Jack Daniels so that the price of Brown For...
by Howard Cooper
January 14th, 2020, 5:49 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 1999 Chateau Lanessan. This is why we do it.
Replies: 44
Views: 1636

Re: TN: 1999 Chateau Lanessan. This is why we do it.

It is interesting. One of the things I have historically liked about Burgundy is that I can drink up and down a producer's line and still be drinking wines from producers I love. Drink Bourgogne Rouge or wines from lesser villages (used to be all villages wines) on more casual nights, move up to pre...
by Howard Cooper
January 13th, 2020, 2:45 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: your favorite vintages of Chateau Climens
Replies: 35
Views: 1284

Re: your favorite vintages of Chateau Climens

Herwig Janssen wrote:
January 13th, 2020, 1:18 pm
1921 and 2001 . But Climens is not my my top 3 , not really my style . I prefer de Fargues , Suduiraut and Coutet ...
Herwig, I definitely agree that de Fargues and Suduiraut are different styles, but how do you see Coutet as a different style.
by Howard Cooper
January 13th, 2020, 2:28 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Top flight bubbly for holidays and more
Replies: 3
Views: 583

Re: Top flight bubbly for holidays and more

Thanks for posting these notes Panos. While you and I had quite a number of disagreements about the wines, it was a great night.
by Howard Cooper
January 13th, 2020, 6:04 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: your favorite vintages of Chateau Climens
Replies: 35
Views: 1284

Re: your favorite vintages of Chateau Climens

Dav1d S@wyer wrote:
January 12th, 2020, 8:59 pm
I've loved the '75 and '01 the few times I've had them. Among recent vintages, I've enjoyed the '05, '11, and '15.
The only 2011 I have had is Yquem and it was really good. So, I am not surprised that the Climens was good as well.
by Howard Cooper
January 12th, 2020, 4:51 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Whats your top 5 Clos saint denis?
Replies: 59
Views: 2993

Re: Whats your top 5 Clos saint denis?

Howard, He doesn't. My mistake. I thought I remembered my last Pierre Amiot experiences being Clos St Denis. It was his Clos de la Roche I was thinking about. I guess my list is basically 4 in total. BTW, his Clos de la Roche is fantastic. I have only tasted the Clos de la Roche at the winery and t...
by Howard Cooper
January 12th, 2020, 4:48 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Burgundy cheat sheet
Replies: 7
Views: 1085

Re: Burgundy cheat sheet

I don't know much about Burgundy either but I do dabble in it. I myself would be interested in any books if others have recommendations. These two topics for me have been very educational: https://www.wineberserkers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=155013&hilit=1000 https://www.wineberserkers.com/foru...
by Howard Cooper
January 12th, 2020, 7:08 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: your favorite vintages of Chateau Climens
Replies: 35
Views: 1284

your favorite vintages of Chateau Climens

Chateau Climens is my second favorite Sauternes/Barsac. Pretty far ahead of anything but Yquem, and, esp. considering the price differences, not that far behind it. Of recent vintages, I must admit that while I have purchased some 2015 and 2016, I have not opened any yet. My favorite Climens is the ...
by Howard Cooper
January 12th, 2020, 6:05 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Whats your top 5 Clos saint denis?
Replies: 59
Views: 2993

Re: Whats your top 5 Clos saint denis?

Good Q for sure. 1) Dujac, 2) Ponsot, 3) Arlaud, 4) Jadot, and 5) B.Leroux. The late 80s/early 90s Dujac versions really got me hooked..... The Ponsot VV is really nice - the '99 is especially built to please with more age. Arlaud is a new'ish one for me but the recent vintage bottles I've had are ...
by Howard Cooper
January 10th, 2020, 8:26 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Whats your top 5 Clos saint denis?
Replies: 59
Views: 2993

Re: Whats your top 5 Clos saint denis?

William, My sense was that the Drouhin was filtered but the Jouan was not. I have not knowledge if this was the case, but a light filtration on the Drouhin could explain some of the differences in character of the two wines. Seems very plausible, but of course purely speculation on our part. I will...
by Howard Cooper
January 10th, 2020, 6:31 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wine "budgeting" - tips?
Replies: 64
Views: 2939

Re: Wine "budgeting" - tips?

See the advice about a minute into this about quality vs. quantity

by Howard Cooper
January 10th, 2020, 6:30 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wine "budgeting" - tips?
Replies: 64
Views: 2939

Re: Wine "budgeting" - tips?

AndrewH wrote:
January 9th, 2020, 8:12 pm
Todd F r e n c h wrote:
January 9th, 2020, 7:48 pm
Sc0tt F!tzger@ld wrote:
January 9th, 2020, 7:41 pm
Tip #1: Get off this website. Now. You’re in a shark-filled pool of wine enablers.
Seriously. This is no joke.
Says Enabler #1.
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by Howard Cooper
January 10th, 2020, 6:25 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Questions you ask on a winery tour/tasting visit?
Replies: 26
Views: 965

Re: Questions you ask on a winery tour/tasting visit?

I find that a lot of what I learn is from observing and not necessarily asking questions. Look in the vineyard. Do they use more narrow spacing between rows of vines or wider spacing. The former indicates more modern vineyard management practices, the later older ones - which could indicate older vi...
by Howard Cooper
January 10th, 2020, 6:13 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Whats your top 5 Clos saint denis?
Replies: 59
Views: 2993

Re: Whats your top 5 Clos saint denis?

Can something simple as bottling make wines taste completely different? Potentially, yes. If one wine is fined and filtered, the other not; or if one wine stays in barrel a few months longer than the other; or a myriad of factors. I couldn't say as to Jouan vs Drouhin Clos Saint-Denis, but it's cer...
by Howard Cooper
January 10th, 2020, 5:13 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Whats your top 5 Clos saint denis?
Replies: 59
Views: 2993

Re: Whats your top 5 Clos saint denis?

Can something simple as bottling make wines taste completely different? Potentially, yes. If one wine is fined and filtered, the other not; or if one wine stays in barrel a few months longer than the other; or a myriad of factors. I couldn't say as to Jouan vs Drouhin Clos Saint-Denis, but it's cer...
by Howard Cooper
January 9th, 2020, 1:59 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Chardonnay recommendations
Replies: 28
Views: 1183

Re: Chardonnay recommendations

From California, try Stony Hill or Mount Eden. Is the Ceritas in this price range or is it more expensive - I have had it but not bought it. Another interesting California Chardonnay is Kalin, where you can get wines with age for a pretty reasonable price. From France, try either the Bourgogne Blanc...
by Howard Cooper
January 8th, 2020, 6:19 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The Ultimate Backfill Thread
Replies: 62
Views: 3085

Re: The Ultimate Backfill Thread

Second on 2012, my favorite post-2001 vintage. Has their been a bad vintage of Mosel Riesling from 2001 on? I can't think of one. Some are better than others, but none are worthy of the dustbin. A winemaker would have to drop a clanger to produce a bad wine over the last 18 or so years. From my und...
by Howard Cooper
January 8th, 2020, 6:06 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The Ultimate Backfill Thread
Replies: 62
Views: 3085

Re: The Ultimate Backfill Thread

If I see decent prices on 99, 01, or 02 reds, I backfill... The 1999s I have had recently are fabulous. They are just beginning to get to a great place. That has been my experience as well...drinking well and seemingly can improve and maintain their vibrancy for a long time. When I see them at a fa...
by Howard Cooper
January 8th, 2020, 2:18 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The Ultimate Backfill Thread
Replies: 62
Views: 3085

Re: The Ultimate Backfill Thread

Robert Grenley wrote:
January 7th, 2020, 12:55 am
If I see decent prices on 99, 01, or 02 reds, I backfill...
The 1999s I have had recently are fabulous. They are just beginning to get to a great place.
by Howard Cooper
January 8th, 2020, 2:13 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The Ultimate Backfill Thread
Replies: 62
Views: 3085

Re: The Ultimate Backfill Thread

Second on 2012, my favorite post-2001 vintage. Has their been a bad vintage of Mosel Riesling from 2001 on? I can't think of one. Some are better than others, but none are worthy of the dustbin. A winemaker would have to drop a clanger to produce a bad wine over the last 18 or so years. From my und...
by Howard Cooper
January 8th, 2020, 2:10 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The Ultimate Backfill Thread
Replies: 62
Views: 3085

Re: The Ultimate Backfill Thread

Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
January 6th, 2020, 4:24 pm
The only wines I'm really looking to backfill at this time are German riesling. Particularly looking at the 2001 vintage.
Prum made great 2005s - saw elsewhere that you bought their 2001s.
by Howard Cooper
January 8th, 2020, 2:06 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What is YOUR most recent wine purchase?
Replies: 12514
Views: 603405

Re: What is YOUR most recent wine purchase?

2015 Ramonet CM Vergers
by Howard Cooper
January 8th, 2020, 2:04 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What is YOUR most recent wine purchase?
Replies: 12514
Views: 603405

Re: What is YOUR most recent wine purchase?

alan weinberg wrote:
December 27th, 2019, 4:54 pm
broke down and bought 08 Delamotte. As close to 08 Salon as I will get. Hopefully done for the year.
2008 Delamotte is quite good. Excellent purchase.
by Howard Cooper
January 7th, 2020, 6:23 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2017 Hudelot-Noëllat Vosne-Romanée
Replies: 8
Views: 673

Re: TN: 2017 Hudelot-Noëllat Vosne-Romanée

Had many of his 2017s in barrel a year and a half ago, but they were hard to taste, although they seemed long and promising. Cannot wait to taste more at the Paulee in NY in March. His malos are normally quite late so can be hard to taste early, I try to go towards the end of my time in Burgundy ea...
by Howard Cooper
January 7th, 2020, 5:32 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2017 Hudelot-Noëllat Vosne-Romanée
Replies: 8
Views: 673

Re: TN: 2017 Hudelot-Noëllat Vosne-Romanée

Had many of his 2017s in barrel a year and a half ago, but they were hard to taste, although they seemed long and promising. Cannot wait to taste more at the Paulee in NY in March.
by Howard Cooper
January 7th, 2020, 3:13 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: High alcohol wines and aging
Replies: 98
Views: 4027

Re: High alcohol wines and aging

I am not a fan of CdP but if I wanted to try one to age I might go with Rayas or Beaucastel. Howard - I can attest to Rayas. While I stand by my general comments regarding CdP, I've had those at over 20 years and they can be really good. Most recently it was the 1989. I didn't have it on release, s...
by Howard Cooper
January 7th, 2020, 3:11 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: High alcohol wines and aging
Replies: 98
Views: 4027

Re: High alcohol wines and aging

Eric Ifune wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:46 pm I've had some great wines from Ridge with over 16% and they've aged beautifully over 30+ years. Dry or late harvest? Dry. The 1970 Jimsomare is 15.8% I seem to recall the 1968 was closer to 17% Two years ago, I had a 1990 Jimsomare that was outstanding. C...
by Howard Cooper
January 7th, 2020, 11:52 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: A scientist's view of the right Champagne glass
Replies: 36
Views: 1717

Re: A scientist's view of the right Champagne glass

Looks like my Burgundy glasses. https://www.klwines.com/p/i?i=720103

Also, I have tulip shaped Champagne glasses that seem to be what she is describing. https://www.klwines.com/p/i?i=1323102

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