Search found 617 matches

by Otto Forsberg
June 17th, 2019, 7:03 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Would you drink zero alcohol wine
Replies: 61
Views: 1135

Re: Would you drink zero alcohol wine

Now if you compare to beer the zero alcohol version is widely available and unlike wine is actually very similar to the alcoholic version I almost burst out laughing at this point I still do drink 0% beer every now and then, but it really doesn't taste like the real stuff. It's much better than 0% ...
by Otto Forsberg
June 16th, 2019, 9:25 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Would you drink zero alcohol wine
Replies: 61
Views: 1135

Re: Would you drink zero alcohol wine

Are we talking about the "alcohol-free" wines on the market today, or wines that would taste and feel exactly the same, only without any of the the actual effects of alcohol? So I could have a, say, 1964 Produttori del Barbaresco without any alcohol, but it would taste exactly the same as the thing ...
by Otto Forsberg
June 14th, 2019, 9:53 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: So...are beer/wine hyrbids a thing now? (Action Bronson 7000)
Replies: 11
Views: 444

Re: So...are beer/wine hyrbids a thing now? (Action Bronson 7000)

https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/22150/352676/ I have to admit, this is the first time I've heard of a cross/fusion between beer and wine. The brewers, Stillwater Artisanal Ales, claim it is like a "beer/orange wine fusion" more closely defined as a "dry-hopped sour ale with muscat grapes....
by Otto Forsberg
June 13th, 2019, 10:37 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Tondonia and Clos Roche Blanche
Replies: 11
Views: 500

Re: Tondonia and Clos Roche Blanche

Jay Miller wrote:
June 13th, 2019, 9:15 am
Ah, good point. The Tondonia was red. My bad.
Thank you!
by Otto Forsberg
June 13th, 2019, 7:45 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Tondonia and Clos Roche Blanche
Replies: 11
Views: 500

Re: Tondonia and Clos Roche Blanche

Mikko R wrote:
June 13th, 2019, 7:39 am
I bet Tondonia is a red variety [snort.gif]
I don't know, IIRC Heredia has a wine made of white Tondonia grapes as well... [snort.gif]
by Otto Forsberg
June 13th, 2019, 7:28 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Tondonia and Clos Roche Blanche
Replies: 11
Views: 500

Re: Tondonia and Clos Roche Blanche

Mikko R wrote:
June 13th, 2019, 7:27 am
And what about Tondonia?
This.
by Otto Forsberg
June 13th, 2019, 7:28 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Tondonia and Clos Roche Blanche
Replies: 11
Views: 500

Re: Tondonia and Clos Roche Blanche

Jay Miller wrote:
June 13th, 2019, 7:18 am
Otto Forsberg wrote:
June 13th, 2019, 7:05 am
It's definitely a skill of sorts to write a tasting note on a wine spanning a period of 2 days and I still don't know whether you write of a white or red wine.
Cot (also known as malbec) is a red grape.
:D

O boyo
by Otto Forsberg
June 13th, 2019, 7:05 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Tondonia and Clos Roche Blanche
Replies: 11
Views: 500

Re: Tondonia and Clos Roche Blanche

It's definitely a skill of sorts to write a tasting note on a wine spanning a period of 2 days and I still don't know whether you write of a white or red wine.
by Otto Forsberg
June 12th, 2019, 1:18 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: It's in Georgia (nation not state) - what is it?
Replies: 61
Views: 1410

Re: It's in Georgia (nation not state) - what is it?

I did come across some Mukuzanis that were just OK, being dry, as I already posted above, but cannot recall any Kindzmarauli, Saperavi or any other varietal/region that were not dreadful What are you going on about? Mukuzani IS Saperavi. And traditional Georgian wines are dry. There are tons of vil...
by Otto Forsberg
June 11th, 2019, 9:27 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 1100AD <- Savagnin Blanc
Replies: 17
Views: 658

Re: 1100AD <- Savagnin Blanc

Sounds like a newfangled dumbing-down. At any rate, I don't think it is a long-established standard at NYT. In fact, here is an article from two days ago that uses millennia . https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/09/dining/what-to-cook-this-week.html Good catch! But it's not newfangled or dumbing down. ...
by Otto Forsberg
June 11th, 2019, 9:22 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: It's in Georgia (nation not state) - what is it?
Replies: 61
Views: 1410

Re: It's in Georgia (nation not state) - what is it?

What does fermentation vessel have to do with only resulting in dry wines? Unreal. If you really don't know and understand the basics of vinification even that much, and your reaction is at the level of a 10-year old besserwisser, I guess we don't need to push the argument any further. Thanks for t...
by Otto Forsberg
June 11th, 2019, 12:48 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: It's in Georgia (nation not state) - what is it?
Replies: 61
Views: 1410

Re: It's in Georgia (nation not state) - what is it?

Steve, I was born in USSR and lived there, unlike you VISITING with a tour guide. You know, the difference beteen being a tourist and actually residing some place, no matter where on the map it is. And as for your claim that you really have tasted dry wines there, well, what do YOU think they shoul...
by Otto Forsberg
June 11th, 2019, 9:43 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: It's in Georgia (nation not state) - what is it?
Replies: 61
Views: 1410

Re: It's in Georgia (nation not state) - what is it?

Steve, since you've visited Georgia a few times, I want to ask you if you visited with a local guide / arranged trip or just by yourself/yourselves? I was wondering how well you'll manage there only with English. Did you visit Kakheti? We're going there but it's still unclear which might be the bes...
by Otto Forsberg
June 11th, 2019, 7:50 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: It's in Georgia (nation not state) - what is it?
Replies: 61
Views: 1410

Re: It's in Georgia (nation not state) - what is it?

Otto - if you are going there, please post a travelogue when you return. Be curious to read. Are you planning a car rental? I might try, but I'm not really into writing forum travelogues on forums, so no promises there. Most likely we're doing lots of other stuff besides wine, so I guess it won't b...
by Otto Forsberg
June 11th, 2019, 7:16 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: It's in Georgia (nation not state) - what is it?
Replies: 61
Views: 1410

Re: It's in Georgia (nation not state) - what is it?

@GregP, I recognise very little of what you have written about Georgian wines. I have visited Georgia a couple of times and currently have around 60 bottles of Georgian wine in my cellar of 400. OK - so 40 are for a tasting - but Georgia is still better represented than many countries. Steve, since...
by Otto Forsberg
June 11th, 2019, 7:12 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Will Heat Ruin Old Madeira??
Replies: 18
Views: 699

Re: Will Heat Ruin Old Madeira??

I've had a vintage Madeira that has showed some signs of further oxidation. The first time I had the wine, it was richer, more nuanced and showing more flavors of caramel and fruitcake, while the second time I had the same wine some 5 years later it showed drier flavors of hay, chopped nuts and smo...
by Otto Forsberg
June 11th, 2019, 6:42 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Will Heat Ruin Old Madeira??
Replies: 18
Views: 699

Re: Will Heat Ruin Old Madeira??

I've had a vintage Madeira that has showed some signs of further oxidation. The first time I had the wine, it was richer, more nuanced and showing more flavors of caramel and fruitcake, while the second time I had the same wine some 5 years later it showed drier flavors of hay, chopped nuts and smok...
by Otto Forsberg
June 10th, 2019, 10:23 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Saccharomyces cerevisiae in wine making/allergies
Replies: 80
Views: 1670

Re: Saccharomyces cerevisiae in wine making/allergies

What about aldehydes? Another complicated subject with a family of compounds highly involved in wine. "Aldehydes are known sensitizers for small populations of humans and serve to cause chemically induced allergic reactions. The effects of these reactions can be dramatic at rather low concentration...
by Otto Forsberg
June 10th, 2019, 7:05 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Saccharomyces cerevisiae in wine making/allergies
Replies: 80
Views: 1670

Re: Saccharomyces cerevisiae in wine making/allergies

John Morris wrote:
June 10th, 2019, 6:46 am
Yes, sulfites don't seem like a complete explanation. Also, I'm not sure what their levels are in beer.
Quite minuscule. Sulfites are never added to beer and the amount that forms during the fermentation is normally in the ballpark of 0-10 ppm.
by Otto Forsberg
June 10th, 2019, 7:03 am
Forum: Wine 101: The Basics
Topic: Mixing and Matching Wine with Liquor
Replies: 6
Views: 284

Re: Mixing and Matching Wine with Liquor

I get epic hangovers if I mix alcohols, so I select either alcohol or wine and go with it the entire evening. That said, I get hangovers no matter what I'm drinking. The curse of the Irish. When drinking, my suggestion is to stick with ethanol. Leave both methanol and more complex alcohols to other...
by Otto Forsberg
June 10th, 2019, 3:51 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: It's in Georgia (nation not state) - what is it?
Replies: 61
Views: 1410

Re: It's in Georgia (nation not state) - what is it?

Thanks, I'll try to make the most of it. Let's see how much one can do during a one-week trip.
by Otto Forsberg
June 10th, 2019, 3:15 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: It's in Georgia (nation not state) - what is it?
Replies: 61
Views: 1410

Re: It's in Georgia (nation not state) - what is it?

Pheasants tears is an interesting one. It’s the only wine from Georgia I had tasted and remembered in the UK. But didn’t see it for sale once in Tibilisi. Maybe they have a savvy owner/export manager. Fortunately I'll be going to Kakheti as well, not just Tbilisi. Currently it is in our plans to go...
by Otto Forsberg
June 10th, 2019, 1:36 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: It's in Georgia (nation not state) - what is it?
Replies: 61
Views: 1410

Re: It's in Georgia (nation not state) - what is it?

Agree Russel. Hasn't anyone tried Pheasant's Tears, etc.? I have, quite a bit of them. Also have been collecting them for years, whenever I can find them - usually one bottle here, another one there. Starting to have a small collection of them in my cellar now. I've also tasted dozens of other Geor...
by Otto Forsberg
June 10th, 2019, 1:24 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Saccharomyces cerevisiae in wine making/allergies
Replies: 80
Views: 1670

Re: Saccharomyces cerevisiae in wine making/allergies

Is OP having an elaborate ruse or being just extremely ignorant in regard to wine? If one were allergic to the metabolites of saccharomyces cerevisiae, one really should abstain from drinking any alcoholic beverages - since S. cerevisiae is basically the only yeast that is used in making them. Sure,...
by Otto Forsberg
May 27th, 2019, 4:49 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Leaving wine overnight versus aging
Replies: 37
Views: 1756

Re: Leaving wine overnight versus aging

I believe it's a poor proxy. Not without some merit, but basically revelatory. The only way to know how a wine will age is to wait. Or to wait on so many other wines that showed similarly in their youth that you can extrapolate. Extended air may help your young wine show "better," or more to your t...
by Otto Forsberg
May 22nd, 2019, 12:13 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Age-worthy, classic Portugese wines, not Port?
Replies: 25
Views: 1011

Re: Age-worthy, classic Portugese wines, not Port?

I concur with the point with Colares. I've had a red Colares or several from every past decade until the 1930's and none of the wines had started going downhill (except for 1984 that was flat and dead). Based on my experiences, the red Colares wines develop for some 30-40 years and then they stop ev...
by Otto Forsberg
May 17th, 2019, 6:04 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: I had a long day, and Fu pissed me off, so I popped a 2016 Gonon St Joe
Replies: 73
Views: 2838

Re: I had a long day, and Fu pissed me off, so I popped a 2016 Gonon St Joe

It's funny reading how well the wine drinks young, since I had a completely opposite experience two weeks ago. You didn't just come off a 4 hour hellish phone call. Context is everything. Otto may not be a real viking! His palate seems much too refined. Unfortunately you might be confusing Finland ...
by Otto Forsberg
May 17th, 2019, 2:06 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: I had a long day, and Fu pissed me off, so I popped a 2016 Gonon St Joe
Replies: 73
Views: 2838

Re: I had a long day, and Fu pissed me off, so I popped a 2016 Gonon St Joe

It's funny reading how well the wine drinks young, since I had a completely opposite experience two weeks ago. A year ago I had a Rhône tasting including Gonon St. Jo 2015 that was double-decanted before the tasting at around 6 pm and finally poured into the glasses around 9-10 pm. An outstanding wi...
by Otto Forsberg
May 14th, 2019, 10:20 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Is Sake the closest thing to wine that doesn't have grapes in it?
Replies: 57
Views: 1299

Re: Is Sake the closest thing to wine that doesn't have grapes in it?

I mean while Sake IS a beer, I'd say it outranks Cider as the closest thing to wine, not because of specific flavors, but because of how people drink it, talk about, savor it etc. There are a huge range of aromatic compounds in Sake to geek out on, it's a more intimidating world to me than wine. Wh...
by Otto Forsberg
May 14th, 2019, 2:50 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Busting terroir myths: The science of soil and wine taste
Replies: 146
Views: 4697

Re: Busting terroir myths: The science of soil and wine taste

So, many many factors, including differing ripening curves. Pyrazine is not a varietal character of one and not the other. There are great counter examples of both, and should be more (as in incidentally, in pursuit of making the best wines from given sites, rather than compromising potential due t...
by Otto Forsberg
May 14th, 2019, 2:45 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Is Sake the closest thing to wine that doesn't have grapes in it?
Replies: 57
Views: 1299

Re: Is Sake the closest thing to wine that doesn't have grapes in it?

I mean while Sake IS a beer, I'd say it outranks Cider as the closest thing to wine, not because of specific flavors, but because of how people drink it, talk about, savor it etc. There are a huge range of aromatic compounds in Sake to geek out on, it's a more intimidating world to me than wine. Wh...
by Otto Forsberg
May 13th, 2019, 1:30 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Is Sake the closest thing to wine that doesn't have grapes in it?
Replies: 57
Views: 1299

Re: Is Sake the closest thing to wine that doesn't have grapes in it?

Although I'm more of a coffee person than a tea drinker, I still say that tea beats coffee hands down, when it comes to terroir differences, styles across different regions and countries and complexity.
by Otto Forsberg
May 11th, 2019, 2:26 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Busting terroir myths: The science of soil and wine taste
Replies: 146
Views: 4697

Re: Busting terroir myths: The science of soil and wine taste

GregT, not to make a thread drift, but green bell pepper note in reds signifies underripe fruit. Especially in Cab Franc, and Merlot. Makes id:ing Loire Cab Francs blind easy, its not the terroir that gives them away. IMHO. But I generally agree with your points, and Eric's. Greg is referring to th...
by Otto Forsberg
May 7th, 2019, 11:23 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: We Got Timorasso..
Replies: 27
Views: 978

Re: We Got Timorasso..

... He also mentioned that Timorasso remains the one Piedmont white grape variety that has real serious aging potential, 20+ years of development. That is in and fingers crossed will be producing wine in a few years.... Tom Don't forget Gavi/Cortese. While I've yet to taste a mediocre Timorasso, I ...
by Otto Forsberg
May 7th, 2019, 9:05 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2012 Huet secs have shit the bed
Replies: 69
Views: 3587

Re: 2012 Huet secs have shit the bed

Viet Ly wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 8:14 am
John: Your post makes sense. I should not be noting "pre-mox" with my level of experience. Maybe more like bottle variation from bottle 1 vs 2? Or perception variation from different days?
Is that some premature moxidation?
by Otto Forsberg
May 7th, 2019, 5:44 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Help to pick unusual wines
Replies: 32
Views: 961

Re: Help to pick unusual wines

Your descriptions on these wines sound nothing like what I've tasted. To me, Garzón Tannats have been consistently tasted like jammy, soft and spoofy wines - nothing like Musar whatsoever. I haven't tasted any Garzón whites yet, but based on the modern, anonymous style of the reds I wouldn't hold m...
by Otto Forsberg
May 7th, 2019, 3:47 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Help to pick unusual wines
Replies: 32
Views: 961

Re: Help to pick unusual wines

Garzon's stuff is very nice and very individual to me, worth a look for sure. I was going to say Musar--nothing really like it out there, both red and white. If you *really* want to go afield, Alan, from separate tastings: "2010 Magrez-Aruga Koshu Isehara So the thing is, when I was in Bordeaux in ...
by Otto Forsberg
May 6th, 2019, 4:31 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Is Guigal a casualty of Parker’s retirement
Replies: 237
Views: 9839

Re: Is Guigal a casualty of Parker’s retirement

Josh Grossman wrote:
May 3rd, 2019, 11:34 am
Anything that spends 33 to 42 months in new oak isn't good wine in my book.
+1

I can recognize and acknowledge that the wine might be of high quality, but with 95% probability it wouldn't be what I call "good" wine - i.e. something I'd fill my own cellar with.
by Otto Forsberg
May 5th, 2019, 3:24 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Help to pick unusual wines
Replies: 32
Views: 961

Re: Help to pick unusual wines

Tannat from Uruguay They probably even have some at Binny's. You beat me to it. Was going to recommend bodegas Garzon from uruguay. Both tannat as well as their white wines are quite nice Last time I tasted their Tannat (blind) it tasted like strawberry yoghurt and blueberry jam with very soft tann...
by Otto Forsberg
May 4th, 2019, 3:06 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Technical data for wine. Tell the whole story.
Replies: 25
Views: 838

Re: Technical data for wine. Tell the whole story.

What is Mega Purple? Some sort of hyper concentrated slurry the wine making team includes to add color, lower acidity and softer mouth feel? Concentrated Rubired grape must that is officially used to add color to the wine (a small addition can make the wine look very deep purple, almost opaque), bu...
by Otto Forsberg
May 2nd, 2019, 4:35 am
Forum: Wine 101: The Basics
Topic: Keeping unopened white wine in the fridge
Replies: 11
Views: 644

Re: Keeping unopened white wine in the fridge

It really depends on the wine. A Mosel Riesling can stay open yet perfectly fine for several weeks, but I've had many white wines turn quite flat and dull even after a few days. NZ Sauvignon Blancs don't seem to survive at all. For a couple of times I've had a remaining half a bottle of NZ SB turn ...
by Otto Forsberg
May 2nd, 2019, 4:32 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: WS: RobertoConterno @ Nervi
Replies: 20
Views: 899

Re: WS: RobertoConterno @ Nervi

They can be cellared for many decades. Recently had a 1957 that was brilliant. https://www.wineberserkers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=160388&sid=8e4a2e7abb46275ea55245a076dc2c91 I've noticed. I've had vintages going back to the year 1950 and still have a bottle of 1961 Nervi Spanna in my cellar.
by Otto Forsberg
May 2nd, 2019, 3:47 am
Forum: Wine 101: The Basics
Topic: Matchstick reduction
Replies: 2
Views: 394

Re: Matchstick reduction

To my understanding, the struck matchstick smell is just a hint of reduction. Not all reductive notes are skunky - you need quite a bit of reduction for the wine to get skunky. I've had multiple natural wines with no SO2 whatsoever and still showing some struck matchstick and flint smoke character. ...
by Otto Forsberg
May 2nd, 2019, 3:43 am
Forum: Wine 101: The Basics
Topic: Keeping unopened white wine in the fridge
Replies: 11
Views: 644

Re: Keeping unopened white wine in the fridge

It really depends on the wine. A Mosel Riesling can stay open yet perfectly fine for several weeks, but I've had many white wines turn quite flat and dull even after a few days. NZ Sauvignon Blancs don't seem to survive at all. For a couple of times I've had a remaining half a bottle of NZ SB turn q...
by Otto Forsberg
May 2nd, 2019, 12:00 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: WS: RobertoConterno @ Nervi
Replies: 20
Views: 899

Re: WS: RobertoConterno @ Nervi

Sh@n A wrote:
May 1st, 2019, 7:34 am
Had a lone 375 ml. My CT note:
Palate is big sour cherry and sour strawberry.
Sounds like a classic Gattinara. I really don't understand what you are looking for in a young Alto Piemonte red if not this.
by Otto Forsberg
April 30th, 2019, 12:24 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2013 Nicolas Joly Clos de la Coulée de Serrant
Replies: 19
Views: 654

Re: TN: 2013 Nicolas Joly Clos de la Coulée de Serrant

I too don't want to sound like a jerk, but that info you just typed is a little off. La Grande Rue & Clos De Tart are monopoles; but they are not their own AOC like Chateau-Grillet, Romanée Conti, & Coulée de Serrant. There is a difference...and maybe I’m wrong; with the recent shift from AOC to AO...
by Otto Forsberg
April 29th, 2019, 6:01 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: We Got Timorasso..
Replies: 27
Views: 978

Re: We Got Timorasso..

One big Timorasso fan here as well.

Claudio Mariotto's higher-tier bottlings, Pomodolce wines and Marina Coppi are definitely worth checking out too.
by Otto Forsberg
April 28th, 2019, 1:47 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Nebbiolo: tar versus smoke
Replies: 13
Views: 558

Re: Nebbiolo: tar versus smoke

And if wood tar is something you're unfamiliar with, Wikipedia might help: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar
by Otto Forsberg
April 28th, 2019, 1:35 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Nebbiolo: tar versus smoke
Replies: 13
Views: 558

Re: Well...

To my understanding "tar" in Nebbiolo refers specifically to a note very much reminiscent of wood tar, whereas "tar" as a term in the US normally refers to asphalt, or bitumen as it is elsewhere known, which is a completely different story. I've never had any asphalt / bitumen notes in my Nebbiolos...
by Otto Forsberg
April 28th, 2019, 11:39 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Nebbiolo: tar versus smoke
Replies: 13
Views: 558

Re: Nebbiolo: tar versus smoke

To my understanding "tar" in Nebbiolo refers specifically to a note very much reminiscent of wood tar, whereas "tar" as a term in the US normally refers to asphalt, or bitumen as it is elsewhere known, which is a completely different story. I've never had any asphalt / bitumen notes in my Nebbiolos,...

Go to advanced search