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by Wes Barton
June 18th, 2019, 6:27 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Eisele Vineyard allocation letter
Replies: 11
Views: 1397

Re: Eisele Vineyard allocation letter

Looks pretty standard. Since I've been there, seen and tasted what they've done under Chateau Latour ownership, I have some idea what they're talking about. For one, they're referring to the fact that they've cut back what goes into the top wine. They ceased using purchased grapes for the Altagracia...
by Wes Barton
June 18th, 2019, 4:53 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Any good Chardonnay deals out there?
Replies: 21
Views: 496

Re: Any good Chardonnay deals out there?

David Baum wrote:
June 18th, 2019, 3:40 pm
Just picked 15 Mount Eden Chardonnay for $33.99

No better deal than that
At that price, is that the Edna Valley?
by Wes Barton
June 17th, 2019, 12:20 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Would you drink zero alcohol wine
Replies: 92
Views: 1620

Re: Would you drink zero alcohol wine

Would you drink alcohol free Scotch ? i know i wouldnt If it offers the exact same sensory impression and flavor profile, etc, why not? Are you only about the buzz? Not just the buzz but without it i dont see why you would bother. I mean what else do any of us spend $100's on just for the taste ? o...
by Wes Barton
June 17th, 2019, 9:35 am
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: SF Bay Area/Peninsula OL June 17 - Donato
Replies: 148
Views: 2377

Re: SF Bay Area/Peninsula OL June 17 - Donato

'73 Spring Mountain Vineyard CS
by Wes Barton
June 14th, 2019, 11:18 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: WA vs NAPA wine
Replies: 12
Views: 1044

Re: WA vs NAPA wine

Those must be acronyms. Wonderfully Aristocratic? Notoriously Arrogant Patronizing Assholes? Which of these tasting room experiences are you willing to pay out the wazoo for?
by Wes Barton
June 14th, 2019, 8:31 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: MACDONALD For The Win
Replies: 44
Views: 2772

Re: MACDONALD For The Win

I am the only person in the world who is not a fan of 13, i think the fruit will dry up in a lot of wines before the tannic structure resolves. I find 13’s far to hard for the fruit i taste. Again nobody agrees with me but im going with what i taste not what everyone tells me '13 was a great vintag...
by Wes Barton
June 12th, 2019, 2:48 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: It's in Georgia (nation not state) - what is it?
Replies: 61
Views: 1441

Re: It's in Georgia (nation not state) - what is it?

Greg, if you want to actually try a modern, clean, dry Georgian wine, don't go looking at a frigging Russian deli! Those are bought to appeal to Russian emigres for their comfort and familiarity. In other words, exactly what you already know you won't like. We have several reputable Bay Area merchan...
by Wes Barton
June 11th, 2019, 11:01 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Another stupid poll about wine drinking
Replies: 56
Views: 1885

Re: Another stupid poll about wine drinking

Beer. Aside from being the smart-assed answer, it's the serious answer. I'm not sure I'd ever want to drink wine while stressed. Having a beer can be just what the doctor ordered. Alternatively, perhaps a coffee.
by Wes Barton
June 11th, 2019, 5:21 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: It's in Georgia (nation not state) - what is it?
Replies: 61
Views: 1441

Re: It's in Georgia (nation not state) - what is it?

Greg - Absolutely no one needed to be told the vast majority of Georgian wine is garbage. No one cares, either. We care about the good wines, which many of us have tried (details above, including the fact that some are made in a clean, modern fashion).
by Wes Barton
June 11th, 2019, 11:08 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: It's in Georgia (nation not state) - what is it?
Replies: 61
Views: 1441

Re: It's in Georgia (nation not state) - what is it?

@GregP, I recognise very little of what you have written about Georgian wines. Same. You can buy the sweet reds at the Ukrainian markets here, but the one I shop at carries some good dry ones which are also carried by respectable wine merchants. Local importer Blue Danube brings some in. We have se...
by Wes Barton
June 10th, 2019, 8:02 pm
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: SF Bay Area/Peninsula OL June 17 - Donato
Replies: 148
Views: 2377

Re: SF Bay Area/Peninsula OL June 17 - Donato

No way!

Jose?
by Wes Barton
June 10th, 2019, 7:44 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Suit against Bryant Family alleges falling sales
Replies: 64
Views: 5563

Re: Suit against Bryant Family alleges falling sales

We also have the question of generational shift. People have gone insane for Burgundy. Maybe all the guys who lined up for Bryant,etc retired and are now looking to drink what they already bought. Maybe the younger generation cannot afford Bryant etc so they are all clamoring for Popelouchum... Heh...
by Wes Barton
June 10th, 2019, 5:25 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Saccharomyces cerevisiae in wine making/allergies
Replies: 80
Views: 1688

Re: Saccharomyces cerevisiae in wine making/allergies

What about aldehydes? Another complicated subject with a family of compounds highly involved in wine. "Aldehydes are known sensitizers for small populations of humans and serve to cause chemically induced allergic reactions. The effects of these reactions can be dramatic at rather low concentration...
by Wes Barton
June 10th, 2019, 2:32 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Saccharomyces cerevisiae in wine making/allergies
Replies: 80
Views: 1688

Re: Saccharomyces cerevisiae in wine making/allergies

What about aldehydes? Another complicated subject with a family of compounds highly involved in wine. "Aldehydes are known sensitizers for small populations of humans and serve to cause chemically induced allergic reactions. The effects of these reactions can be dramatic at rather low concentrations."
by Wes Barton
June 10th, 2019, 2:07 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Saccharomyces cerevisiae in wine making/allergies
Replies: 80
Views: 1688

Re: Saccharomyces cerevisiae in wine making/allergies

The issue here is very different, it is like an immediate dermatological reaction as if you are drinking fire / immediate body ache. I have an occasional reaction to some wine, beer, etc. It's enough that I feel it on the first sip. Being aware of the warning sign is key, so I know to spit it out a...
by Wes Barton
June 10th, 2019, 2:00 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Saccharomyces cerevisiae in wine making/allergies
Replies: 80
Views: 1688

Re: Saccharomyces cerevisiae in wine making/allergies

I should pick up a large swath of SC perhaps to test.. industrial but where is natural SC to be found? SC lives on everyone's skin (and internals) and all over the place. It's virtually impossible to keep various strains from making it into a ferment. The different strains have strengths and weakne...
by Wes Barton
June 10th, 2019, 1:34 pm
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: SF Bay Area/Peninsula OL June 17 - Donato
Replies: 148
Views: 2377

Re: SF Bay Area/Peninsula OL June!

George Chadwick wrote:
June 10th, 2019, 11:08 am
I am thinking of a Rhys/Ridge dinner at Golden Triangle in the autumn.
I like that place. Can't make it during harvest season, though.
by Wes Barton
June 9th, 2019, 11:41 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Saccharomyces cerevisiae in wine making/allergies
Replies: 80
Views: 1688

Re: Saccharomyces cerevisiae in wine making/allergies

I am neither a winemaker nor an allergist. However, I am almost completely certain that S. cerevisiae is THE yeast used in winemaking, i.e. it is used in making ALL wines. There are many strains, which are thought to have different subtle effects on the wine, but all wine uses this yeast as the pri...
by Wes Barton
June 8th, 2019, 6:59 pm
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: SF Bay Area/Peninsula OL June 17 - Donato
Replies: 148
Views: 2377

Re: SF Bay Area/Peninsula OL June!

No one has a Don Zerly (TM) light anymore.
by Wes Barton
June 8th, 2019, 6:33 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The Inexorable Rise of Wine Prices
Replies: 30
Views: 2447

Re: The Inexorable Rise of Wine Prices

Trawling through Wine-Searcher's database... So, it appears they're only looking at prices of wines listed on their site, as well as not factoring production volume. Then, is it even the lowest price listed or some average that includes the high-ball listings? I agree with Dan, the real average is ...
by Wes Barton
June 8th, 2019, 11:59 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: This puts Spinal Tap to shame
Replies: 20
Views: 1716

Re: This puts Spinal Tap to shame

Very innovative! No one thought to simply add the critics scores together to get a bigger score before. So simple, so genius!
by Wes Barton
June 5th, 2019, 11:36 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Does Biodynamic taste better?
Replies: 81
Views: 2742

Re: Does Biodynamic taste better?

Aren't BD soils more alive with microbes and worms? Worm poop too. Happy vines make happy wines. More alive than what? It's obviously a world better than the radically unconventional reckless practices that quickly became the new conventional in the mid-20th century. Some of the best vineyards are ...
by Wes Barton
June 1st, 2019, 8:53 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: How do you tell great grapes from average grapes
Replies: 52
Views: 1817

Re: How do you tell great grapes from average grapes

My point is that climate and even micro-climate must have some level of topographic resolution, i get it can change with even as much as 500yds or even 3-500 feet of elevation or different sun exposures but im not buying into 20-30 ft across a level roadway Cold air flows downward. You can have are...
by Wes Barton
June 1st, 2019, 1:18 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: How do you tell great grapes from average grapes
Replies: 52
Views: 1817

Re: How do you tell great grapes from average grapes

What I got from Eric's posts is that even from an experienced winemaker's perspective it would be easier to tell from visible differences like uniformity of ripeness and freedom from leaves that are clues to how much care was taken in the vineyard than by taste or chemical analysis. Uniform ripenes...
by Wes Barton
May 30th, 2019, 3:33 pm
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: SF Bay Area/Peninsula OL June 17 - Donato
Replies: 148
Views: 2377

Re: SF Bay Area/Peninsula OL June!

ChrisStags wrote:
May 30th, 2019, 10:27 am
I say we throw a rager at Dans! I mean his kids are gone 🎉🤪🤫

We could show up on the 14th, after the kids are gone, and just stay all weekend. [winner.gif]
by Wes Barton
May 30th, 2019, 3:30 pm
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: SF Bay Area/Peninsula OL June 17 - Donato
Replies: 148
Views: 2377

Re: SF Bay Area/Peninsula OL June!

17 (or 18th) looks good.
by Wes Barton
May 29th, 2019, 5:47 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: A few photos for old vine fans
Replies: 18
Views: 1120

Re: A few photos for old vine fans

Here's an article from a couple years ago: https://www.sfchronicle.com/wine/tastingroom/article/Tasting-notes-Mission-and-angelica-11023414.php Settlers moving into California copied what was being done. Mission became widely planted for Angelica production - the first commercial wines. It was alrea...
by Wes Barton
May 29th, 2019, 10:06 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 750Daily: Sulfites & WineChemistry...Understanding Metabolomics
Replies: 18
Views: 661

Re: 750Daily: Sulfites & WineChemistry...Understanding Metabolomics

Yeah, sorry for trying to engage you as if you'd read the article. My mistake. Thanks for derailing an interesting discussion. [cheers.gif]
by Wes Barton
May 28th, 2019, 12:39 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 750Daily: Sulfites & WineChemistry...Understanding Metabolomics
Replies: 18
Views: 661

Re: 750Daily: Sulfites & WineChemistry...Understanding Metabolomics

No, YOU'RE the one who keeps saying it was a study. It's an article summarizing 10 years of research in a new field. Please stop trying to win some argument, put your knee-jerk biases aside long enough to re-read the article. If you are interested in looking further into any facet of it, YOU can con...
by Wes Barton
May 28th, 2019, 10:58 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 750Daily: Sulfites & WineChemistry...Understanding Metabolomics
Replies: 18
Views: 661

Re: 750Daily: Sulfites & WineChemistry...Understanding Metabolomics

What actual science and chems, I see no real lab numbers listed. Just suppositions and observations, which may mean absolutely nothing in another grape region. The article is summarizing a decade of work from multiple sources. It makes a point of noting these metabolomic trajectories will fundament...
by Wes Barton
May 27th, 2019, 4:04 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 750Daily: Sulfites & WineChemistry...Understanding Metabolomics
Replies: 18
Views: 661

Re: 750Daily: Sulfites & WineChemistry...Understanding Metabolomics

What actual science and chems, I see no real lab numbers listed. Just suppositions and observations, which may mean absolutely nothing in another grape region. The article is summarizing a decade of work from multiple sources. It makes a point of noting these metabolomic trajectories will fundament...
by Wes Barton
May 27th, 2019, 2:28 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Does Biodynamic taste better?
Replies: 81
Views: 2742

Re: Does Biodynamic taste better?

I've seen several posts commenting on how good the soil is at biodynamic vineyards but I have had wines I like from places where the vineyard just looks like a bunch of rocks and they were great. I always believed that vines that struggle often make the best wines. None of these vineyards I visited...
by Wes Barton
May 26th, 2019, 2:57 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Does Biodynamic taste better?
Replies: 81
Views: 2742

Re: Does Biodynamic taste better?

It is financially a risk when there is mildew and all the other diseases that can plague the wine grower. Pontet Canet and Palmer both lost a substantial percentage of wine in 2018. The Santa Cruz Mountains has a lot of powdery mildew pressure. Pretty much all the big players (including the vineyar...
by Wes Barton
May 25th, 2019, 8:35 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Why is Sauv Blanc so much cheaper ?
Replies: 37
Views: 1444

Re: Why is Sauv Blanc so much cheaper ?

FYI, here are 2017 average prices per ton for different varieties in Napa: Cabernet Sauvignon $7,509 Pinot Noir $2,798 Merlot $3,387 Zinfandel $3,623 Syrah $3,738 Chardonnay $2,809 Sauvignon Blanc $2,279 And that's before the cost of barrels and aging. Interesting that Zin is higher than Pinot yet ...
by Wes Barton
May 25th, 2019, 7:16 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Does Biodynamic taste better?
Replies: 81
Views: 2742

Re: Does Biodynamic taste better?

As several have pointed out, there are loopholes and short-falls of certified biodynamic and organic practices. Maybe for a time they were at the cutting edge - an important reaction to terrible practices that had become the norm. But, there's been more and more scientific understanding. A one-size-...
by Wes Barton
May 23rd, 2019, 4:53 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: A historical perspective of the winery mailing list- Who was the first?
Replies: 21
Views: 1105

Re: A historical perspective of the winery mailing list- Who was the first?

I am not sure if this thread refers only to US, but I've recently read that Biondi Santi or Col d'Orcia (i cannot remember) in the first part of 1900 actively mailed doctors, lawyers etc.. in all Italy offering their Brunellos Yeah, I doubt this was a new thing in CA. High-end producers like Paul M...
by Wes Barton
May 23rd, 2019, 3:50 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Santa Cruz Mountain Chardonnay is the New World equivalent of Chablis
Replies: 52
Views: 2623

Re: Santa Cruz Mountain Chardonnay is the New World equivalent of Chablis

I enjoy the Arnot Roberts chards. From what I recall, the Trout Gulch bottling is more similar to Chablis in style than say Mount Eden, but both are distinctly Californian. This is a timely thread because I was recently looking at adding more Chablis to my cellar. I'll take this to respond to what ...
by Wes Barton
May 22nd, 2019, 10:58 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Most complex wines under <$50
Replies: 50
Views: 2837

Re: Most complex wines under <$50

What under $50 will you drink if and when the OP comes back to read your advice?
by Wes Barton
May 22nd, 2019, 6:21 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Santa Cruz Mountain Chardonnay is the New World equivalent of Chablis
Replies: 52
Views: 2623

Re: Santa Cruz Mountain Chardonnay is the New World equivalent of Chablis

SC Mountain Chard is a leaner style than say Russian River or Napa, but they are still a poster child of new world fruitier versions of Chardonnay in comparison to mineral driven, higher acid Chablis . Perhaps Oregon/Washington would be closer stylistically than SC Mountains. I don't know if you me...
by Wes Barton
May 22nd, 2019, 4:18 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Is the number of single vineyard Pinot Noirs being produced in Cali out of control?
Replies: 62
Views: 2857

Re: Is the number of single vineyard Pinot Noirs being produced in Cali out of control?

I’m not. Also because that’s his belief doesn’t mean he’s any more right than am I. I’m just saying I have 17 PNs that are individual clones (in Oregon, especially with anything over 30 years vine age, that is almost always going to be the case) and I don’t think I am suffering from distinctiveness...
by Wes Barton
May 22nd, 2019, 12:11 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Is the number of single vineyard Pinot Noirs being produced in Cali out of control?
Replies: 62
Views: 2857

Re: Is the number of single vineyard Pinot Noirs being produced in Cali out of control?

There certainly were. I like, Howard, that you combined distinctiveness and good in your response. Distinctiveness alone is probably not enough. I remember a fine conversation I had with Paul Sloan at Small Vines last summer. We were talking about making a pinot from a single clone and he answered ...
by Wes Barton
May 22nd, 2019, 11:21 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: Some Calif Cabs...(long/boring)
Replies: 6
Views: 1033

Re: TN: Some Calif Cabs...(long/boring)

Eric S n y d e r wrote:
May 22nd, 2019, 10:21 am
Thanks for the early look at the ‘16 Monte Bello. I went deep on this one for daughter’s birth year. Sounds like it will hold up just fine!
My early impression is its the best since '01.
by Wes Barton
May 21st, 2019, 11:48 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Santa Cruz Mountain Chardonnay is the New World equivalent of Chablis
Replies: 52
Views: 2623

Re: Santa Cruz Mountain Chardonnay is the New World equivalent of Chablis

I live in the SCM and have tasted almost all the wares and to me there are only a few that deserve mention in the same breath as Chablis. 9 out of 10 are over-extracted fruity, buttery beasts. Very little restraint shown in general. Wes and I were at the SCM Grand tasting on Sunday and tasted many ...
by Wes Barton
May 21st, 2019, 3:37 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Is the number of single vineyard Pinot Noirs being produced in Cali out of control?
Replies: 62
Views: 2857

Re: Is the number of single vineyard Pinot Noirs being produced in Cali out of control?

Just for fun I would like the OP to tell Ted Lemon at Littorai that he has too many single vineyard wines, then fly to France and say the same thing to Aubert de Villaine. ;) Hey, Man, I simply posed a question. I do like what some others have said in that it depends. If all of the various cuvees a...
by Wes Barton
May 21st, 2019, 3:26 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Is the number of single vineyard Pinot Noirs being produced in Cali out of control?
Replies: 62
Views: 2857

Re: Is the number of single vineyard Pinot Noirs being produced in Cali out of control?

Yes and no. Its not the sheer number that is problematic. Its how many of them (1) don't add meaningful insight into the differences of that vineyard and (2) just aren't good, yet are bottled with "xyz vineyard" on the label because that is supposed to sell better. As others have pointed out, burgu...
by Wes Barton
May 21st, 2019, 3:11 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Is the number of single vineyard Pinot Noirs being produced in Cali out of control?
Replies: 62
Views: 2857

Re: Is the number of single vineyard Pinot Noirs being produced in Cali out of control?

Isn't part of the problem potentially one of perception these days? A "Sonoma Coast" or "RRV" cuvee is almost always priced lower by most producers and thus brings with it the thought or concept of a lesser wine or a "well, we didn't have enough of these grapes to run out a SVD/didn't know what to ...
by Wes Barton
May 21st, 2019, 2:52 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Is the number of single vineyard Pinot Noirs being produced in Cali out of control?
Replies: 62
Views: 2857

Re: Is the number of single vineyard Pinot Noirs being produced in Cali out of control?

I think it has gone too far, but hopefully time and the consumer will have a net postive influence. Burgundy has had centuries for those vineyards to develop a track record/reputation/history. California's situation is single-vineyard=more $$$, so just invent vineyards and block names as you go alo...
by Wes Barton
May 20th, 2019, 6:03 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Is the number of single vineyard Pinot Noirs being produced in Cali out of control?
Replies: 62
Views: 2857

Re: Is the number of single vineyard Pinot Noirs being produced in Cali out of control?

As Mike states, this is something the market can sort out. Brandon's examples are producers with strong loyal customer bases who revere them for their range of quality SVDs. It's hard to criticize success. There are a lot of people out there who are happy buying from one or a handful of producers. I...
by Wes Barton
May 20th, 2019, 3:17 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Most complex wines under <$50
Replies: 50
Views: 2837

Re: Most complex wines under <$50

There’s usually no substitute for age when looking for complexity, and wines that drink complex when young tend to have a distinctive profile that doesn’t appeal to all. I don't agree. Some of the common grape varieties known for making age-worthy wines can be quite obnoxious to many (like me) when...

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