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by Wes Barton
January 27th, 2020, 11:52 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Bottle Neck Tag Source
Replies: 9
Views: 441

Re: Bottle Neck Tag Source

I like these . They work great, and are under $.17@. Cheers, Warren These look better than the ones Scott linked in the next post. The positive about this sort of tag is the label always facing forward. The negative is they come off easily when moving wines around . I see the neck hole is smaller h...
by Wes Barton
January 25th, 2020, 6:59 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Bottle Neck Tag Source
Replies: 9
Views: 441

Re: Bottle Neck Tag Source

+1 on the string tags. 1000 for next to nothing.
by Wes Barton
January 25th, 2020, 1:01 am
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: (San Francisco) Union des Grands Crus de Bordeaux January 24, 2020, 5:30PM-7:30PM
Replies: 15
Views: 1012

Re: (San Francisco) Union des Grands Crus de Bordeaux January 24, 2020, 5:30PM-7:30PM

George Chadwick wrote:
January 24th, 2020, 8:55 pm
I went. It was good. Wes walked us to a wine bar. It was good. Every bottle of Bordeaux was $20 overpriced. Tariffs.
Lots of Tariffic wine!
by Wes Barton
January 24th, 2020, 3:03 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Three overripe syrahs: 05 ESJ Parmalee, 10 Clarendon Hills, 10 Voge
Replies: 30
Views: 1297

Re: Three overripe syrahs: 05 ESJ Parmalee, 10 Clarendon Hills, 10 Voge

None of these sound overripe. They just sound fruity. So you don't like fruit and prefer the savory elements. You don't think sweet, porty and cooked fruit (the Clarendon) qualifies as overripe? That's kind of my definition. Ripe fruit is sweet. Cooking (or roasting) fruit makes the fruit sweeter. ...
by Wes Barton
January 23rd, 2020, 6:11 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Should we be evaluating natural wine differently?
Replies: 60
Views: 2266

Re: Should we be evaluating natural wine differently?

That said, over the past 10 years, it’s been the producers and enthusiasts that rankle me the most. Too many superlative and gushing STORIES, too many backhanded comments about non-natural wines, and too many wines for whom there really isn’t an alternative style being employed(not always the case ...
by Wes Barton
January 22nd, 2020, 4:39 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Your favorite USA Gamay?
Replies: 47
Views: 2385

Re: Your favorite USA Gamay?

I have a couple bottles of 2018 Pax Gamay Noir. Have not opened them. Anyone tried these? I haven't opened my lone bottle yet but the ct reviews are not promising. The older note is excellent, but describing a style he doesn't like. The green note is surely from the stems, which makes me curious. S...
by Wes Barton
January 22nd, 2020, 4:03 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: A.G. On 2017 And 2018 Napa Valley
Replies: 66
Views: 7033

Re: A.G. On 2017 And 2018 Napa Valley

Guys - All we have is Galloni's account, suggesting without explicitly stating that the wineries who banned him didn't like his scores. I have no idea what actually happened, but there might well be another side to the story. So you might pause before passing judgment on the winery owners. Consider...
by Wes Barton
January 21st, 2020, 3:38 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: storing wines vertically?
Replies: 53
Views: 3055

Re: storing wines vertically?

...in the old days people used to soak corks before putting them into bottles, so they weren't dried out. Some home wine makers still do that. But you don't need to if you're buying commercial corks in quantity. Those are sanitized and have been moistened as much as they're going to be. They're oft...
by Wes Barton
January 21st, 2020, 3:06 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Should we be evaluating natural wine differently?
Replies: 60
Views: 2266

Re: Should we be evaluating natural wine differently?

A lot of people view the whole category of sour beers flawed. For people who like sour beers, there's still a question of degree. Some are much more broadly appealing and others more extreme, with a narrow fan base. Some "natural" wines show a degree of flaw, while some are not flawed. A lot of peop...
by Wes Barton
January 20th, 2020, 5:50 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: storing wines vertically?
Replies: 53
Views: 3055

Re: storing wines vertically?

A good bottling line shouldn’t allow enough oxygen into the bottle to matter anyway. I think the better explanation is that you have twice the volume, but the same cork size, so whatever does get in over time is acting on twice as much wine. Also, if there is any contribution from the glass surface...
by Wes Barton
January 19th, 2020, 6:03 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: storing wines vertically?
Replies: 53
Views: 3055

Re: storing wines vertically?

If no oxygen at all enters through the cork then why do magnums age more slowly than 750s? Explanation for that has always been that there is more liquid for the entering oxygen to diffuse through. Or is that a myth too? Because they start off with less oxygen in the bottle, so start off showing di...
by Wes Barton
January 19th, 2020, 5:18 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: High alcohol wines and aging
Replies: 124
Views: 5220

Re: High alcohol wines and aging

Another category I enjoy that often has alcohol in the 15% or higher range is Zinfandel. I don't have much experience with long ageing, but have enjoyed quite a few at 7 - 20 years. Well, Grenache and Zinfandel are both grapes that ripen at high brix, and which grow in regions to which they are ada...
by Wes Barton
January 18th, 2020, 9:24 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: High alcohol wines and aging
Replies: 124
Views: 5220

Re: High alcohol wines and aging

Rootstock choice can greatly effect the sugar accumulation rate. Canopy management can, um, manage it, to some degree. Virused leaves produce less sugar. Grape variety and site can be responsible for an abnormal disparity between brix and ripeness. (For example, we had a pick each in '17 and '18 th...
by Wes Barton
January 18th, 2020, 1:44 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Should we be evaluating natural wine differently?
Replies: 60
Views: 2266

Re: Should we be evaluating natural wine differently?

The problem with natural wine is the adoption by misinformed, "anti knowledge" kids who have single handedly made the category synonymous with faults. That anti-knowledge as a virtue was pushed by some of the loudmouthed natural wine evangelists. I saw one of my friends insulting praised for his ig...
by Wes Barton
January 18th, 2020, 1:12 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: High alcohol wines and aging
Replies: 124
Views: 5220

Re: High alcohol wines and aging

Acidity and alcohol can be adjusted. As you can see from that link, if you pick past physiologically ripe you've allow allowed all sorts of "permanent" changes that will impact how the wine shows and its ability to age. You can't put Humpty Dumpty together again. But, it's important to note, again, ...
by Wes Barton
January 17th, 2020, 8:37 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Should we be evaluating natural wine differently?
Replies: 60
Views: 2266

Re: Should we be evaluating natural wine differently?

I love Cappellano, but no way would I categorize them as natural wine. Interesting profile here: https://www.rarewineco.com/producer/cappellano/ Native ferm, rustic old school winemaking, a block of own-rooted vines, staunchly traditional. The only question would be sulfite use. There's quite a ran...
by Wes Barton
January 17th, 2020, 5:40 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Should we be evaluating natural wine differently?
Replies: 60
Views: 2266

Re: Should we be evaluating natural wine differently?

" I've never had a natural red that I liked" find 2011 Paolo Bea Piparello Riserva, as just one example; mind, changed. If you can't find one, try any G. Rinaldi or Cappellano. I love Cappellano, but no way would I categorize them as natural wine. Interesting profile here: https://www.rarewineco.co...
by Wes Barton
January 17th, 2020, 2:48 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Should we be evaluating natural wine differently?
Replies: 60
Views: 2266

Re: Should we be evaluating natural wine differently?

Chris, I think it's more an exploration in one way or another for producers and consumers. For consumers, think mostly young people who'd only had fuddy-duddy grocery store plonk, then found some craft beers, then Belgian-styled ales, then someone suggested if they like those... Look at Nathan's pos...
by Wes Barton
January 17th, 2020, 1:28 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Understanding the dumb phase and aging
Replies: 64
Views: 3044

Re: Understanding the dumb phase and aging

The science is there. You can buy the text books. That doesn't make it easy to manipulate a wine in this regard without major negative trade-offs. How do you change a component essential for longevity without effecting longevity? Why would you do that? The incentive is to manipulate wines to make th...
by Wes Barton
January 17th, 2020, 1:06 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Should we be evaluating natural wine differently?
Replies: 60
Views: 2266

Re: Should we be evaluating natural wine differently?

One of the big debate points is where the line is drawn for which wines are "natural" and which aren't. Some of the darlings get allowances for their interventions that make them "less natural" than a large number of wines that aren't identified as natural. In other words, if I make up a number, "If...
by Wes Barton
January 16th, 2020, 3:03 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: High alcohol wines and aging
Replies: 124
Views: 5220

Re: High alcohol wines and aging

Thanks for all your posts here, Wes. They've helped me (start to) understand why some big wines work and others don't. It's been clear to me back to the 80s that zins can do well at higher alcohols than cabernet, and may even be better for it (up to some point). Although grenache-based wines are se...
by Wes Barton
January 16th, 2020, 11:35 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: High alcohol wines and aging
Replies: 124
Views: 5220

Re: High alcohol wines and aging

Add to that the fact that there is plenty of high alcohol Rhone wine and high alcohol Barolo that ages so well. I don't know for sure, but I don't think there was a lot of 16% CdP before recent decades... And I don't think there was much 15+% Barolo until the last decade either.... I agree John, an...
by Wes Barton
January 15th, 2020, 1:19 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: High alcohol wines and aging
Replies: 124
Views: 5220

Re: High alcohol wines and aging

. . . Not a tremendous overall track record for "high alcohol wines and aging". . . . BINGO! Exactly my point. So why assume that high alcohol is synonymous with reduced aging potential? Patience is a virtue. Maybe Burgundy aged well for the past century because they added Algerian syrah or due to ...
by Wes Barton
January 14th, 2020, 2:44 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Terroir over Winemaking Technique (Using Burg as an example)
Replies: 89
Views: 3496

Re: Terroir over Winemaking Technique (Using Burg as an example)

A bit late to this conversation, but I see the OP question as being about how narrow the quality gap can get. Nothing about this undermines the notion of terroir in my mind, but I would think it's pretty obvious that great care and attention lavished on "lesser" sites can close the gap to a sliver....
by Wes Barton
January 13th, 2020, 10:32 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: High alcohol wines and aging
Replies: 124
Views: 5220

Re: High alcohol wines and aging

Last night, I had a 2018 grand cru Burgundy from a well known producer in Gevrey whose name I will omit to avoid giving him a bad rep. Raw, disjointed with no meaningful varietal characteristics noted because the harshness of the wine overpowered anything interesting that might have been hiding in ...
by Wes Barton
January 11th, 2020, 12:04 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Do You Find Petit Sirah To Be Monolithic?
Replies: 70
Views: 3272

Re: Do You Find Petit Sirah To Be Monolithic?

I've never had much luck with PS. In fact, the very opposite. What would be a good, fresher, lower alcohol producer in CA? As I mentioned upthread, the 3 from Theopolis Vineyard are excellent: Theopolis, Halcon, Highlawn. Differing takes that are all savory and open, and reward a few years aging. T...
by Wes Barton
January 10th, 2020, 7:34 pm
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: SF Bay Area/Peninsula OL - Pinstripes, Jan 27
Replies: 51
Views: 1081

Re: SF Bay Area/Peninsula OL - end of Jan?

Count me in.
by Wes Barton
January 10th, 2020, 7:31 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: When you say, "This wine is undrinkable..."
Replies: 61
Views: 2246

Re: When you say, "This wine is undrinkable..."

But, a wine can be revoltingly undrinkable to one person, and just fine to others. That's the nature of wine. I see that all the time with our blind tasting flights. On reveal, when we talk about the wines, no one is apologizing for finding a wine disgusting that "everyone else" likes. We can discus...
by Wes Barton
January 9th, 2020, 6:08 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2015 Bedrock Vineyard Under the Mountain Carignan
Replies: 3
Views: 585

Re: 2015 Bedrock Vineyard Under the Mountain Carignan

Yeah, interesting there's no CT entry. Maybe a test batch. The first regular release from there is the '16, which is a field blend of Zin and Carig. Maybe a little PS? (Don't recall for sure. There's a lot of PS in the lower block, which Bedrock doesn't source.) It's the old Mary Carter Vineyard whi...
by Wes Barton
January 9th, 2020, 2:23 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Questions you ask on a winery tour/tasting visit?
Replies: 26
Views: 985

Re: Questions you ask on a winery tour/tasting visit?

We ask for recommendations for other wineries to visit. That worked very well on our last trip. I know it’s normal, but I always felt kind of weird doing it, as they’re the competition. Nah. There's so much cooperation and cross pollination. This is the best way to get recs on what's most exciting,...
by Wes Barton
January 7th, 2020, 3:01 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: Buncha Harrington Wines...(very long/boring)
Replies: 7
Views: 533

Re: TN: Buncha Harrington Wines...(very long/boring)

3. Gamay: This is one of the most exotic/unusual expressions of Calif Gamay I've had. Way far away from what SteveEdmunds does w/ this grape. It has an earthy/loamy character that speaks of SanBenitoCnty. Given it's vnyd origins, I would suspect it is OV Valdigue, rather than the GamayNoir a jus Bl...
by Wes Barton
January 7th, 2020, 2:09 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Is "Down the drain" the NEW HOBBY?
Replies: 54
Views: 2787

Re: Is "Down the drain" the NEW HOBBY?

I've seen the sort of posts that prompted Robert's OP. Hard to be sure how many were employing hyperbole or simply didn't bother to post details of how much of a try they gave the wine. I doubt very many pour a displeasing wine down the drain after just a sip or two. Maybe a flawed poll is in order...
by Wes Barton
January 6th, 2020, 12:11 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: How does one extract a broken cork from inside a bottle?
Replies: 39
Views: 1398

Re: How does one extract a broken cork from inside a bottle?

Sometimes I feel like I come from a different reality than most here but when this happens to me I simply leave the cork in the bottle and pour the wine carefully. Am I alone?? That's what I'd normally do. If it's a cork or single big piece, it's not that big of a deal. The first pour you have to n...
by Wes Barton
January 5th, 2020, 2:50 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Understanding the dumb phase and aging
Replies: 64
Views: 3044

Re: Understanding the dumb phase and aging

Explaining it is what is hard, and also why Nate's post wasn't entirely wrong. A lot of people assert with confidence that this or that is happening, but that doesn't mean they're correct in their assessments, or that they have a clue. Some wines apparently do go through some kind of "dumb" phase, ...
by Wes Barton
January 5th, 2020, 2:12 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2016 Ridge Demostene Zinfandel - An incredible AFWE wine from Ridge!
Replies: 24
Views: 1727

Re: TN: 2016 Ridge Demostene Zinfandel - An incredible AFWE wine from Ridge!

Is it possible to make 12-13% wines from California anymore - with a few exceptions like as stated above. In other words, is this a question of picking decisions, farming practices, more efficient cultured yeasts, etc. (i.e, things that can be changed), or is it a question of climate change. Would ...
by Wes Barton
January 5th, 2020, 1:48 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: How does one extract a broken cork from inside a bottle?
Replies: 39
Views: 1398

Re: How does one extract a broken cork from inside a bottle?

https://www.amazon.com/Stainless-3-Pronged-Bottle-Retriever-Handle/dp/B00DJXQTBO I usually bring it with me to tastings. I have one of those, and one of these, which I like better: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Corkfish+Wine+Cork+Retriever&i=garden&ref=nb_sb_noss (I've also used them to get bungs out ...
by Wes Barton
January 2nd, 2020, 12:02 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What do you think is the single best value in CA wine?
Replies: 37
Views: 2364

Re: What do you think is the single best value in CA wine?

Exactly. The premise makes no sense to me. You can find more better values off the beaten path, but it still comes down to producer.
by Wes Barton
January 1st, 2020, 9:31 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Bottle "oil-like" imperfections, a sign of seepage?
Replies: 19
Views: 737

Re: Bottle "oil-like" imperfections, a sign of seepage?

A. So wrote:
January 1st, 2020, 8:10 pm
Looks like a glass manufacturing defect
Yep.
by Wes Barton
January 1st, 2020, 12:50 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Could you have nailed this [sic] if you'd tasted it blind?
Replies: 10
Views: 1003

Re: Could you have nailed this [sic] if you'd tasted it blind?

So, in theory, it could've contained some used wine.
by Wes Barton
January 1st, 2020, 12:14 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2015 Rhys Blancs de Blancs Bearwallow Vineyard - too much coin for too little wine
Replies: 46
Views: 2917

Re: TN: 2015 Rhys Blancs de Blancs Bearwallow Vineyard - too much coin for too little wine

My impression with this wine was it didn't make a big initial impact, but became compelling and drank very well. It speaks of Anderson Valley. It's the sort of wine that can suffer in a line-up, but is very enjoyable on its own - like, if you take it as it is, drink it in the context it fits, rather...
by Wes Barton
December 28th, 2019, 7:59 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Terroir over Winemaking Technique (Using Burg as an example)
Replies: 89
Views: 3496

Re: Terroir over Winemaking Technique (Using Burg as an example)

Wes, alas poor Duane Cronin...he made some great wines. But his example shows that the same vineyard in different hands can yield remarkably different results. A lot of people have sourced it, from Peter Ray on. Many examples require sleuthing, since many didn't declare the vineyard. It's a parcel ...
by Wes Barton
December 28th, 2019, 6:34 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Terroir over Winemaking Technique (Using Burg as an example)
Replies: 89
Views: 3496

Re: Terroir over Winemaking Technique (Using Burg as an example)

And I don't mean that to sound glib, but it just doesn't. You can have all the stars align but without human intervention to make it beautiful, it cannot be beautiful. And not all winemakers have the same talents too, so it just unfolds into a myriad of variables. That doesn’t make the winemaking p...
by Wes Barton
December 22nd, 2019, 2:00 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2 x 2008 Nebbiolo’s with Shocking Results
Replies: 19
Views: 2038

Re: 2 x 2008 Nebbiolo’s with Shocking Results

I have my own opinions about where Nebbiolo would do best in California, but the wines from Luna Matta, both the Wind Gap and the Giornata, have thus far proven the best to me. Have you been to a NEB event? It is grown all over, in small amounts. It's quite interesting to taste such an array of tak...
by Wes Barton
December 15th, 2019, 10:59 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Caymus 2018 Cabernet on the shelf - 13.9%
Replies: 52
Views: 2860

Re: Caymus 2018 Cabernet on the shelf - 13.9%

It's the price point that's outrageous. With that 40th Anniversary Cab, they got or lucked into Parker invoking label bias, so he gave a wine his notes describe as being 90 points, for him, 96 points because how he prognosticated it would age. To me, it tasted like a large production lower shelf Na...
by Wes Barton
December 15th, 2019, 11:46 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Caymus 2018 Cabernet on the shelf - 13.9%
Replies: 52
Views: 2860

Re: Caymus 2018 Cabernet on the shelf - 13.9%

It's the price point that's outrageous. With that 40th Anniversary Cab, they got or lucked into Parker invoking label bias, so he gave a wine his notes describe as being 90 points, for him, 96 points because how he prognosticated it would age. To me, it tasted like a large production lower shelf Nap...
by Wes Barton
December 12th, 2019, 2:26 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Alice Quixote rides again
Replies: 54
Views: 2141

Re: Alice Quixote rides again

If you can take grapes from one continent to another and call them natural, why not yeast? Some strains are isolated for the fruity esters they produce. That's probably the biggest difference in "style" between "Old World" and "New World" wines. If the native yeasts do their job in every way, there...
by Wes Barton
December 10th, 2019, 5:54 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Rhys Horseshoe Vineyard Blanc de Blanc sparkler
Replies: 45
Views: 3645

Re: Rhys Horseshoe Vineyard Blanc de Blanc sparkler

I have seen a couple of early tasting notes describe it as sweet. I realize that dosage isn't the be-all, end-all of sweetness in sparklers, but do people have ideas as to why a fairly low-dosage sparkler would taste sweet? Ripeness of the fruit and the level of dosage, it's the combination. I've h...
by Wes Barton
December 9th, 2019, 7:38 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Rhys Horseshoe Vineyard Blanc de Blanc sparkler
Replies: 45
Views: 3645

Re: Rhys Horseshoe Vineyard Blanc de Blanc sparkler

I think I got a sneak peek of this when Kevin was the guest of honor at a Rhys themed dinner back in September. It reminded me more of a Gose than a sparkler from a flavor profile. I like Gose in general. Maybe it was not a primo bottle. I didn't get that at all. It was a bit low key in an Anderson...

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