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by Wes Barton
December 12th, 2019, 2:26 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Alice Quixote rides again
Replies: 54
Views: 1944

Re: Alice Quixote rides again

If you can take grapes from one continent to another and call them natural, why not yeast? Some strains are isolated for the fruity esters they produce. That's probably the biggest difference in "style" between "Old World" and "New World" wines. If the native yeasts do their job in every way, there...
by Wes Barton
December 10th, 2019, 5:54 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Rhys Horseshoe Vineyard Blanc de Blanc sparkler
Replies: 45
Views: 3473

Re: Rhys Horseshoe Vineyard Blanc de Blanc sparkler

I have seen a couple of early tasting notes describe it as sweet. I realize that dosage isn't the be-all, end-all of sweetness in sparklers, but do people have ideas as to why a fairly low-dosage sparkler would taste sweet? Ripeness of the fruit and the level of dosage, it's the combination. I've h...
by Wes Barton
December 9th, 2019, 7:38 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Rhys Horseshoe Vineyard Blanc de Blanc sparkler
Replies: 45
Views: 3473

Re: Rhys Horseshoe Vineyard Blanc de Blanc sparkler

I think I got a sneak peek of this when Kevin was the guest of honor at a Rhys themed dinner back in September. It reminded me more of a Gose than a sparkler from a flavor profile. I like Gose in general. Maybe it was not a primo bottle. I didn't get that at all. It was a bit low key in an Anderson...
by Wes Barton
December 8th, 2019, 6:29 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Cult cab con chilli?
Replies: 10
Views: 1039

Re: Cult cab con chilli?

Wouldn't any wine taste odd if it had already been opened, then poured into another bottle, and just recorked? Or would one expect 6 months in a re-corked bottle to not make a meaningful difference in the quality of the wine? I know that you are supposed to recork wines after 25 years, but I would ...
by Wes Barton
December 6th, 2019, 12:40 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Balanced, non fruit bomb cabernets?
Replies: 51
Views: 2355

Re: Balanced, non fruit bomb cabernets?

Mount Eden
Ridge
I. Brand
Martin Ranch Therese Vineyards
Woodside Vineyards Estate
Lexington
by Wes Barton
December 5th, 2019, 4:47 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2 x 2008 Nebbiolo’s with Shocking Results
Replies: 14
Views: 1206

Re: 2 x 2008 Nebbiolo’s with Shocking Results

John Morris wrote:
December 5th, 2019, 3:23 pm
Jim Clendenen is making some very impressive nebbiolos under his Clendenden Family label. Would love to try a Wind Gap!
Yes! The '08 Clendenen Family is probably the best CA Neb I've had. The Fogarty ones from their Gist Vyd. and Idlewild are a couple other faves.
by Wes Barton
December 5th, 2019, 3:17 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2 x 2008 Nebbiolo’s with Shocking Results
Replies: 14
Views: 1206

Re: 2 x 2008 Nebbiolo’s with Shocking Results

We sourced Neb from Luna Matta from '08 to '16, blending it with another west side Paso vineyard through '14. It's an excellent site. Limestone with a cool coastal influence.

Giornata gets their Neb and some other stuff from there. Label co-owner Stefi is also the vineyard manager for that site.
by Wes Barton
December 4th, 2019, 1:44 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: PSA: Harrington Sale (Open House this Saturday Dec 7 1-4 PM)
Replies: 18
Views: 1873

Re: PSA: Harrington Sale (Open House this Sunday 1-4 PM)

FINAL HARRINGTON WINES OPEN HOUSE and Sale, Saturday December 7th, 1 - 4pm barel spikes-3 This is it. Our last Open House and your last shot at unreal prices on all of our wines. As it turns out, our first sparkling wine is also our last Harrington wine release. With this email, we are offering Pet ...
by Wes Barton
December 4th, 2019, 1:41 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: PSA: Harrington Sale (Open House this Saturday Dec 7 1-4 PM)
Replies: 18
Views: 1873

Re: PSA: Harrington Sale (Open House this Sunday 1-4 PM)

Please note December 7th is Saturday, not Sunday.
by Wes Barton
December 2nd, 2019, 7:57 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Gallo Purchases Pahlmeyer
Replies: 48
Views: 3732

Re: Gallo Purchases Pahlmeyer

Kelly Walker wrote:
November 20th, 2019, 10:55 am
Nathan, an interesting take. What makes Gallo Evil , Inc.? Did they do something truly evil or just the assumption that large corporations are inherently evil?
They've been one of the major players being the anti-wine shipping lobby.
by Wes Barton
December 2nd, 2019, 5:14 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Falanghina Fan Club
Replies: 16
Views: 816

Re: Falanghina Fan Club

The only thing that is certain is that what they were drinking was nothing at all like those made today. One reason is that today they're usually done in stainless steel, which didn't exist then. As Ken mentioned, ours was about 20% skin fermented. That was sort of out of necessity. It's a late rip...
by Wes Barton
December 1st, 2019, 4:03 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: NewYorker: RachelMonroe on NaturalWines
Replies: 23
Views: 1596

Re: NewYorker: RachelMonroe on NaturalWines

Therein lies the appeal of "natural wine" to many. New-ish to wine. Conventional wines they tried weren't exciting to them. Mass-produced garbage. Wines made to age, which don't show their best on release. Wines stylistically following those, being heavy, dull, oaky, then perhaps trying to overcome ...
by Wes Barton
November 30th, 2019, 2:31 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Falanghina Fan Club
Replies: 16
Views: 816

Re: Falanghina Fan Club

The only thing that is certain is that what they were drinking was nothing at all like those made today. One reason is that today they're usually done in stainless steel, which didn't exist then. As Ken mentioned, ours was about 20% skin fermented. That was sort of out of necessity. It's a late rip...
by Wes Barton
November 27th, 2019, 7:34 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Alcohol and Oak
Replies: 13
Views: 747

Re: Alcohol and Oak

I agree with Otto and Mel. Different compounds extract at different thresholds of alcohol percentage. But, note that not every woody/tannic/harsh/bitter compound we may taste in a wine that seems like it came from oak, did come from oak. Add to that, clearly not all high ABV wines have that harsh bi...
by Wes Barton
November 27th, 2019, 2:36 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Perception of Acidity in Wine Over Time
Replies: 20
Views: 1109

Re: Perception of Acidity in Wine Over Time

And by the way, how come the acidity remains at the same level every year? In Mosel the TA of a Riesling can be almost doubled/halved even in consecutive vintages. Only if you adjust for the acidity and check it out that makes sense, otherwise you can never trust fully what the plants give you. As ...
by Wes Barton
November 26th, 2019, 4:46 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Perception of Acidity in Wine Over Time
Replies: 20
Views: 1109

Re: Perception of Acidity in Wine Over Time

Often when your receptors are overwhelmed by something your perception goes off the charts, so to speak. You get too much of a taste or tactile sensation, you can no longer perceive it for what it is. Like a curve spiking to infinity. Like screaming feedback. Too much of a taste you like can, instea...
by Wes Barton
November 26th, 2019, 11:01 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Perception of Acidity in Wine Over Time
Replies: 20
Views: 1109

Re: Perception of Acidity in Wine Over Time

Re sweetness "developing" in maturing wines, I'd guess in most cases that's just a perception thing. Tannin resolves to the point that small degree of sweetness is no longer masked. There's also the illusion of sweetness in some wines due to aromas we associate with sweetness. If the wine's mouthfee...
by Wes Barton
November 26th, 2019, 10:34 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: When you say, "This wine is undrinkable..."
Replies: 50
Views: 1519

Re: When you say, "This wine is undrinkable..."

If I say it, I mean it.....and I'll say why. Usually that is a serious flaw that would cause an involuntary physical reaction. I haven't seen DNPIM (do not put in mouth) used here for a long time, but that's more about the wine smelling so bad that discretion rules. But, there are non-flawed wines t...
by Wes Barton
November 25th, 2019, 3:06 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Perception of Acidity in Wine Over Time
Replies: 20
Views: 1109

Re: Perception of Acidity in Wine Over Time

I thought that there are two (or more?) different kinds of acids in wine, one of which fades/softens over the years and one which stays more consistent... EDIT: Winefolly states the following: "Often, during the aging process a wine’s malic acid is converted to lactic acid (in a process called Malo...
by Wes Barton
November 19th, 2019, 9:50 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2017 Pax Syrah Sonoma Hillsides (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley)
Replies: 145
Views: 7723

Re: TN: 2017 Pax Syrah Sonoma Hillsides (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley)

In other words, it sounds like how I projected a sound bottle would show, through the lens of the flawed bottle I had.
by Wes Barton
November 17th, 2019, 9:21 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: California wine most like Latour?
Replies: 34
Views: 2341

Re: California wine most like Latour?

Eisele Vineyard Estate? Chateau Latour purchased Eisele from Araujo, so this makes the most sense to me. Awesome, I did not know that. I’d go that route for sure. Definitely the same style. The only issue is one would be the maturity level of a '96 Latour. It's interesting to note more Eisele is so...
by Wes Barton
November 15th, 2019, 2:52 pm
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: SF Bay Area/Peninsula OL Nov19 -Yuzu
Replies: 71
Views: 1756

Re: SF Bay Area/Peninsula OL Nov19 -Yuzu

Still in.
by Wes Barton
November 15th, 2019, 2:46 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2017 Pax Syrah Sonoma Hillsides (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley)
Replies: 145
Views: 7723

Re: TN: 2017 Pax Syrah Sonoma Hillsides (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley)

My question is about this bizarre tangent that derailed the conversation. From my tasting of a flawed '17, I perceived an array of components that it had in common with the '16. I didn't experience either wine in the "too young" stage. I didn't get notable carbonic character in any, which is somethi...
by Wes Barton
November 15th, 2019, 2:08 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: PSA: Harrington Sale (Open House this Saturday Dec 7 1-4 PM)
Replies: 18
Views: 1873

Re: PSA: Harrington Sale (Open House this Sunday 1-4 PM)

That's The Old Clam House, which has been there since 1861. A three block walk from Mansfield-Dunne. Originally a waterfront spot, now quite a bit of landfill away. No corkage.
by Wes Barton
November 14th, 2019, 6:28 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2017 Pax Syrah Sonoma Hillsides (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley)
Replies: 145
Views: 7723

Re: TN: 2017 Pax Syrah Sonoma Hillsides (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley)

Not what I asked. Do you get carbonic character on the '16 now? Did you a year ago? Surely on release. Is the degree of carbonic character THE reason they are different? Or, is it mostly vintage differences? Something else? Is it reasonable for someone to state they are the same style? If I made a P...
by Wes Barton
November 14th, 2019, 5:36 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2017 Pax Syrah Sonoma Hillsides (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley)
Replies: 145
Views: 7723

Re: TN: 2017 Pax Syrah Sonoma Hillsides (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley)

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
November 13th, 2019, 7:34 pm
You really are making no sense. I get a strong feeling that you have an axe to grind.
Do you think, despite Pax saying the "The composition is similar, the concept is identical and the wine is absolutely delicious." in comparing the '17 to the '16, that the wines are a different style?
by Wes Barton
November 14th, 2019, 5:12 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: PSA: Harrington Sale (Open House this Saturday Dec 7 1-4 PM)
Replies: 18
Views: 1873

Re: PSA: Harrington Sale

Reminder open house is Sunday. Have a decent crew of Berskerserkers from the South Bay and Penninsula headed up to the tasting. We'll be headed to Harrington first and then over the August West/Mansfield-Dunne. For anyone interested, the Mansfield-Dunne open house starts at noon, Harrington starts ...
by Wes Barton
November 13th, 2019, 7:09 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2017 Pax Syrah Sonoma Hillsides (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley)
Replies: 145
Views: 7723

Re: TN: 2017 Pax Syrah Sonoma Hillsides (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley)

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
November 13th, 2019, 5:03 pm
There are significant differences between the two vintages. You are not making the discussion any easier as you conveniently ignore those differences.
So much so that half the people trying it find the '17 flawed, but are wrong. Got it.
by Wes Barton
November 13th, 2019, 7:03 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Your favorite USA Gamay?
Replies: 39
Views: 1578

Re: Your favorite USA Gamay?

Since you're compiling a list, Tessier is very good. Also from Barsotti.
by Wes Barton
November 13th, 2019, 4:24 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2017 Pax Syrah Sonoma Hillsides (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley)
Replies: 145
Views: 7723

Re: TN: 2017 Pax Syrah Sonoma Hillsides (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley)

Wes, I dig your comments but you're really pretty funny. The low SO2 should not be the issue - or one could use that argument that there was zero in the 2016 Let's share a bottle soon please . . . Cheers Something went wrong. I'd suggested that there a lot of possibilities why, but bacteria took of...
by Wes Barton
November 13th, 2019, 1:35 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2017 Pax Syrah Sonoma Hillsides (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley)
Replies: 145
Views: 7723

Re: TN: 2017 Pax Syrah Sonoma Hillsides (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley)

Wes, Thanks for the reply. Pax was pretty clear that 17 was not fully carbonic but 16 was. That alone would create a marked different wine, no? I think we just need to share a few bottles when we get together next . . . You're going in circles on a tangent. The issue is the low SO2 caused bottle va...
by Wes Barton
November 13th, 2019, 1:29 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2017 Pax Syrah Sonoma Hillsides (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley)
Replies: 145
Views: 7723

Re: TN: 2017 Pax Syrah Sonoma Hillsides (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley)

Wes, Still waiting on hearing back from Pax on the bottle variation issue. Though lower than usual SO2 could cause bottle variation, have you noticed the same phenomenon in the 2016, which was sans soufre? I think it's great to have 'opinions' about these things, but to come off with complete certa...
by Wes Barton
November 13th, 2019, 1:18 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Your favorite USA Gamay?
Replies: 39
Views: 1578

Re: Your favorite USA Gamay?

ESJ is the benchmark in California. Plantings are expanding in CA and OR, where it's kind of a new thing. Kind of, as in the potential is recognized in both states. What's good is it's a geeky thing, not following market demand from some movie about slovenly sad sack drunks. So, the producers who ar...
by Wes Barton
November 12th, 2019, 10:58 pm
Forum: Offline Planner
Topic: SF Bay Area/Peninsula OL Nov19 -Yuzu
Replies: 71
Views: 1756

Re: SF Bay Area/Peninsula OL Nov19 -Yuzu

Sean_S wrote:
November 12th, 2019, 10:34 pm
and BTW: 2 open house(s) in the city on Sunday. Harrington/CB Cellars and August West/Sandler/Mannsfield Dunne/Cellar 33/Highlawn
3 Berserker Day participants. August West is noon-4, Harrington is 1-4. About a 5 minute drive apart.
by Wes Barton
November 12th, 2019, 10:49 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Has Premox Affected Your Appreciation Of Maturity?
Replies: 121
Views: 3672

Re: Has Premox Affected Your Appreciation Of Maturity?

Stuart BeauneHead Niemtzow wrote:
November 12th, 2019, 1:44 pm
...12 years past my point of ignorance, of course....
Not what I said.
by Wes Barton
November 12th, 2019, 10:44 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2017 Pax Syrah Sonoma Hillsides (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley)
Replies: 145
Views: 7723

Re: TN: 2017 Pax Syrah Sonoma Hillsides (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley)

Wes, Thanks for the reply. Pax was pretty clear that 17 was not fully carbonic but 16 was. That alone would create a marked different wine, no? I think we just need to share a few bottles when we get together next . . . You're going in circles on a tangent. The issue is the low SO2 caused bottle va...
by Wes Barton
November 12th, 2019, 4:03 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2017 Pax Syrah Sonoma Hillsides (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley)
Replies: 145
Views: 7723

Re: TN: 2017 Pax Syrah Sonoma Hillsides (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley)

Larry, you were challenging my perception from tasting them that the main difference was the flaws, then vintage variation. Again, Pax's own note: "The composition is similar, the concept is identical and the wine is absolutely delicious." So, you're the one who's speculating. I see Pax noting carbo...
by Wes Barton
November 12th, 2019, 1:09 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2017 Pax Syrah Sonoma Hillsides (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley)
Replies: 145
Views: 7723

Re: TN: 2017 Pax Syrah Sonoma Hillsides (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley)

And a bit more info from Pax, comparing the two vintages: 16 was san soufre... 17 has a free of <20ppm> both are unfixed & unfiltered. 2016 should improve until 2023 and last a long while... 2017 is more dense and has bigger fruit and will improve til 2025 at least, although I don't seeing it makin...
by Wes Barton
November 12th, 2019, 12:48 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Has Premox Affected Your Appreciation Of Maturity?
Replies: 121
Views: 3672

Re: Has Premox Affected Your Appreciation Of Maturity?

The problem is "random" to the degree that the corks' abilities to make good seals at the bottle necks is "random" because a cork is a natural , irregular product. Overdrying them in a kiln will randomly create too- rigid corks as the amount of drying any given cork can take is variable. If the goa...
by Wes Barton
November 11th, 2019, 2:57 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Has Premox Affected Your Appreciation Of Maturity?
Replies: 121
Views: 3672

Re: Has Premox Affected Your Appreciation Of Maturity?

Michael S. Monie wrote:
November 11th, 2019, 2:35 pm
Jerry Hey wrote:
November 11th, 2019, 2:25 pm
"If" premox is solely due to a cork issue, then why aren't red wines affected at that same rate, or even at all??
I asked the same on post #73 but apparently no one thinks it's relevant.
If white wines are made the same as red, why do they oxidize during fermentation?
by Wes Barton
November 11th, 2019, 2:54 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Has Premox Affected Your Appreciation Of Maturity?
Replies: 121
Views: 3672

Re: Has Premox Affected Your Appreciation Of Maturity?

Need to define the problem first and foremost. What is "premox"? I say it is the universe of bad bottles randomly mixed in with wines that are fine in any given group. All these other factors are for vulnerablity. But, vulnerable wines are not "premoxed" wines if they are fine. Unless one focuses o...
by Wes Barton
November 11th, 2019, 11:58 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The big Mission/Pais/Listan Prieto thread.
Replies: 44
Views: 2718

Re: The big Mission/Pais/Listan Prieto thread.

There had been a lot in the Hecker Pass area. The legendary charming weasel grape broker down there used to sneak a bunch into the lots he sold to unsuspecting winemakers. Birichino makes one from the Besson Vyd.
by Wes Barton
November 11th, 2019, 11:46 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Has Premox Affected Your Appreciation Of Maturity?
Replies: 121
Views: 3672

Re: Has Premox Affected Your Appreciation Of Maturity?

But, does the Diam "solve" the problem, or just greatly diminish the failure rate of highly vulnerable risky wines? Don't know how reliable this is, but I've heard specifics about how producers have actually solved the problem without compromising wine quality or style. They do a few more steps than...
by Wes Barton
November 8th, 2019, 10:35 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2017 Pax Syrah Sonoma Hillsides (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley)
Replies: 145
Views: 7723

Re: TN: 2017 Pax Syrah Sonoma Hillsides (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley)

Ive been thinking its just a polarizing wine. Nope. The '16 and '17 are the same style. Some people have had both good and bad bottles of the '17. The '17 we had was definitely flawed. We just don't know why there's variation (but are aware of multiple possibilities). so do you think if im typicall...
by Wes Barton
November 8th, 2019, 4:45 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN fun: what variety is this?
Replies: 36
Views: 1330

Re: TN fun: what variety is this?

I was leaning towards Syrah. Bet it's got some, and a good deal of stem inclusion.
by Wes Barton
November 7th, 2019, 9:21 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: A Tale of Two Berserker 10th Anniversary Cuvees
Replies: 17
Views: 1228

Re: A Tale of Two Berserker 10th Anniversary Cuvees

Marcus Goodfellow wrote:
November 7th, 2019, 6:24 pm
Sean,

Any chance Ed wants to trade a 6-pack?
Pinged him.
by Wes Barton
November 7th, 2019, 6:19 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2017 Pax Syrah Sonoma Hillsides (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley)
Replies: 145
Views: 7723

Re: TN: 2017 Pax Syrah Sonoma Hillsides (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley)

Here's the first of a few threads on this wine: https://www.wineberserkers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=155798 Post #6 notes the '17 being carbonic, from someone who tasted it at the winery. From an impression or something specifically stated..? Post #7 notes the '16 being low sulfur. Post #15 has the ...
by Wes Barton
November 7th, 2019, 5:37 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2017 Pax Syrah Sonoma Hillsides (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley)
Replies: 145
Views: 7723

Re: TN: 2017 Pax Syrah Sonoma Hillsides (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley)

Thank's for pointing out the links. The tech sheet TNs are very similar. I see Vinous noted some differences, but chalked them up to vintage. Jeb Dunnuck, interestingly noted the '17 was "Reminding me of a san soufre Saint Joseph" and gave it only 90 pts. They don't look like they were describing th...
by Wes Barton
November 7th, 2019, 2:14 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2017 Pax Syrah Sonoma Hillsides (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley)
Replies: 145
Views: 7723

Re: TN: 2017 Pax Syrah Sonoma Hillsides (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley)

The '18 should be out soon, so you can compare that. Do we really need to go in circles? 1) I asked for links after not seeing any info on their site, and didn't get any. 2) Not on both wines on release sound about the same. 3) Notes on sound bottles about 9 months out sounds about the same. 4) The ...

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