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by R. Frankel
April 18th, 2021, 2:13 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What is your "hit rate" for old Nebbiolo?
Replies: 18
Views: 884

Re: What is your "hit rate" for old Nebbiolo?

How old is old? Post-2000 my failure rate is less than 2% - about what I expect. 1996-2000 it’s about 10% - and when dead it’s dead. Undrinkable after 5 hours, 24 or 48. Pre-1996 it’s more like 20%, with another 10% past/way past prime but not obviously damaged. I.e. old. All purchased after 2012, d...
by R. Frankel
April 15th, 2021, 8:50 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Killer frosts again - Cote D'Or 2021
Replies: 131
Views: 9616

Re: Killer frosts again - Cote D'Or 2021

Tim thanks for sharing that. It’s nice to get some good news!
by R. Frankel
April 14th, 2021, 11:49 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2019 Weingut Max Ferd. Richter Brauneberger Juffer Riesling Kabinett Faß 4
Replies: 5
Views: 285

Re: TN: 2019 Weingut Max Ferd. Richter Brauneberger Juffer Riesling Kabinett Faß 4

Darn, I haven’t tried this one. But I was blown away by the 2019 Veldenzer Elisenberg Kabinett. Based on your description David, perhaps more Kabinett than Spätlese compared to the Fass 4? Would be fun to try side by side. But regardless, the MF Richter Kabis are sick QPR.
by R. Frankel
April 12th, 2021, 8:12 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What Piedmont Vintages Are You Backfilling?
Replies: 37
Views: 1864

Re: What Piedmont Vintages Are You Backfilling?

I think we’re in pretty clear agreement on which vintages to seek. Availability is another matter entirely. The very high end is out there, and somewhat wildly priced. However, the very good mid-tier and lesser wines that drink nicely early are stunningly absent from the market. If you could find to...
by R. Frankel
April 10th, 2021, 7:28 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: NYTimes: Jersey The Next Napa???
Replies: 67
Views: 3255

Re: NYTimes: Jersey The Next Napa???

I have never tried wine from NJ, and am in no hurry to do so. But I am curious about the possibility. What makes NJ a bad place to grow wine grapes? Or especially good? Don’t you just need a certain amount of heat/length of growing season, hillsides for drainage, and crappy soil? Is NJ too wet in su...
by R. Frankel
April 7th, 2021, 6:52 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: WTN: Markus Molitor Riesling Beerenauslese '05...(short/boring)
Replies: 6
Views: 366

Re: WTN: Markus Molitor Riesling Beerenauslese '05...(short/boring)

I haven’t had many Beerenauslese but actually had this one last year. Served to some friends who like sweet wines. Minds were blown.
by R. Frankel
April 6th, 2021, 7:25 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Ian D'Agata's new venture
Replies: 7
Views: 991

Re: Ian D'Agata's new venture

Fascinating, going to dig into this. I’ve always really enjoyed Ian’s writing, very curious about this new project.
by R. Frankel
April 6th, 2021, 9:07 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Recommendation for Greatness
Replies: 53
Views: 3010

Re: Recommendation for Greatness

Piedmont Nebbiolo is a lot trickier. The really special older wines are hard to find and a real crap shoot on storage. But the one I’d recommend for availability and better storage track record (in my experience) is Gaja Barbaresco. The 1989, 1990, or 1996 are all in a great drinkability zone. The 1...
by R. Frankel
April 6th, 2021, 9:01 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Recommendation for Greatness
Replies: 53
Views: 3010

Re: Recommendation for Greatness

Agree with Yquem. The 2015 is fantastic. A few Bordeaux I would consider: 1989 Lynch Bages or Pichon Baron 1996 Pichon Lalande or Ducru 1998 Haut Brion or La Mission Haut Brion (maybe outside your price range) And, there are many back vintages of Ridge Monte Bello that are on the refined side, at l...
by R. Frankel
April 3rd, 2021, 9:41 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Should we BYOB? (Post-COVID)
Replies: 115
Views: 5062

Re: Should we BYOB?

I sympathize with the rule followers here - just tell me the rules and I’ll follow them. I don’t want to have to guess at secret rules, or deduce the subtext for rules. Yes, I so much prefer that! But the now of 2021 is a time in which the rules have clearly changed. What are the new rules? Not enti...
by R. Frankel
April 3rd, 2021, 6:10 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Should we BYOB? (Post-COVID)
Replies: 115
Views: 5062

Re: Should we BYOB?

I’m one to BYOB most of the time and I’m inclined to keep doing that. But I also want to support restaurants, especially ones I love, so will look for ways to do that. You could take the ‘it’s their business it’s their problem’ position but with a little more flexibility a lot more restaurants might...
by R. Frankel
April 3rd, 2021, 5:29 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Should we BYOB? (Post-COVID)
Replies: 115
Views: 5062

Re: Should we BYOB?

@Sarah - thanks for those comments. Post-Covid recovery (and its implications) is the point of this additional discussion: it requires additional consideration.
by R. Frankel
April 3rd, 2021, 4:26 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 5 Latour-Giraud Meursault
Replies: 3
Views: 285

Re: 5 Latour-Giraud Meursault

Sounds great, what a fun tasting. I have a bunch of ‘13 and ‘14 L-Gs, maybe time to open a few.
by R. Frankel
April 3rd, 2021, 3:00 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Should we BYOB? (Post-COVID)
Replies: 115
Views: 5062

Re: Should we BYOB?

Is it arrogant? Only if you think it’s arrogant to tell people how to behave. If so, then all of the Internet is arrogant, not to mention much of the discussion on this board. Here’s a quote that captures the essence of the article: “But with this new era of in-person dining comes a new set of etiqu...
by R. Frankel
April 3rd, 2021, 2:55 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Should we BYOB? (Post-COVID)
Replies: 115
Views: 5062

Re: Should we BYOB?

Tom R W wrote: April 3rd, 2021, 2:24 pm I can’t read the article through the paywall- but in the 5 second glance I got at the first paragraph the author seems to outright state that it’s rude to BYOB right now? Did I get that right?
No, she does not say it’s rude to BYOB. She instead gives reasons not to do it.
by R. Frankel
April 3rd, 2021, 8:09 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Should we BYOB? (Post-COVID)
Replies: 115
Views: 5062

Should we BYOB? (Post-COVID)

Interesting article by Esther Mobley in the Chronicle: https://link.sfchronicle.com/view/6038681318b5477936352e1adxn1o.tni/7bf06a38 Honestly I’m torn. My pre-Covid habit was to bring bottles to restaurants nearly always, and I would follow most of the ‘rules’ that Esther mentioned. But now things ar...
by R. Frankel
April 1st, 2021, 10:53 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2016 Cavallotto Langhe Nebbiolo (Italy, Piedmont, Langhe, Langhe DOC)
Replies: 13
Views: 1012

Re: TN: 2016 Cavallotto Langhe Nebbiolo (Italy, Piedmont, Langhe, Langhe DOC)

Yea very pretty pizza! I’ve really been impressed by many ‘16 Langhe Nebbiolos. All very dense and engaging. Some have been quite open and inviting (Fratelli Alessandria, Vajra). Many others have been structured, intense, and wanting some age (La Ca Nova, Burlotto, Giacosa, Sandrone). Perhaps most b...
by R. Frankel
April 1st, 2021, 9:02 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2020 Prüm in 33cl cans
Replies: 15
Views: 1209

Re: 2020 Prüm in 33cl cans

I flew over to Prümtown in my helicopter and Kat sold me the entire run. Sorry but helicopter flying is thirsty work! I’m going to store these in my new Greenland underwater storage facility. Guaranteed temperature control and sure to attract lots of crabs and lobsters into my neighboring traps.
by R. Frankel
March 31st, 2021, 1:37 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: WS: Breathing of Wine...Fact or Fiction
Replies: 15
Views: 1233

Re: WS: Breathing of Wine...Fact or Fiction

Thanks for sharing. It’s a “the more things change the more they stay the same” piece in my mind - lot of interesting but conflicting evidence. My favorite conclusion is “The older wines are the ones most likely to benefit from breathing. They are also the ones most likely to suffer from breathing.”...
by R. Frankel
March 31st, 2021, 11:58 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Impact from Berserker day 2021
Replies: 17
Views: 988

Re: Impact from Berserker day 2021

Agreed. Very good solution. Only significant problem is the opportunity for Berserker-like buying. All that room! It’s a truth universally acknowledged that any wine storage in possession of unused space must be in want of several cases of tasty vino (deep apologies to Jane Austen). So you might wan...
by R. Frankel
March 28th, 2021, 6:09 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Redemption
Replies: 11
Views: 900

Re: Redemption

Great line up. Probably best to skip the Adelaide surgeons for the rest of the afternoon as well!
by R. Frankel
March 28th, 2021, 3:36 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Oregon will eventually be better than Burgundy; change my mind
Replies: 160
Views: 8415

Re: Oregon will eventually be better than Burgundy; change my mind

I opened this thread with trepidation. The topic is is so likely to lead to pointless debate about personal taste preferences and unknowable guesses about the future. Instead I’ve found it pretty interesting, filled with lots of valuable tidbits. Lots of posting by Marcus and it’s a good thread [che...
by R. Frankel
March 28th, 2021, 1:28 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Blinded Boys of Seattle do red Burgundy
Replies: 8
Views: 737

Re: Blinded Boys of Seattle do red Burgundy

Great tasting John, interesting to see such a wide range of Burgs. Coincidentally my local tasting group also only began doing blind tasting this Covid year when we switched to a Zoom/bottle exchange format. I find blind always fascinating and indeed sharpens the (tasting) buds but is a very intelle...
by R. Frankel
March 28th, 2021, 11:13 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2009 Burgundy...overrated, rated or underrated?
Replies: 17
Views: 1344

Re: 2009 Burgundy...overrated, rated or underrated?

Agreed with others here. Some of my friends knock down 2009 for being excessively fruit forward and unbalanced but I have not found that to be the case. Some of the wines I’ve opened (Bertheau, Lafarge) have been downright delicate while also showing tremendous depth and intensity in the magical way...
by R. Frankel
March 28th, 2021, 9:29 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2020 German Riesling
Replies: 37
Views: 1972

Re: 2020 German Riesling

To answer the OP - based on limited early reviews I don’t see any reason not to buy my regulars for 2020. I’ll go lighter than ‘19 for sure, but will make steady cellar additions.
by R. Frankel
March 28th, 2021, 9:23 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2020 German Riesling
Replies: 37
Views: 1972

Re: 2020 German Riesling

I stared at that Bürklin-Wolf offer, read articles about past vintages, reviews, scanned this site, filled out a good sized order of village and 1ers ... then deleted it. Don’t know how I found the strength. Panzer has too many tempting offers.
by R. Frankel
March 27th, 2021, 8:36 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Let's talk trocken
Replies: 49
Views: 2856

Re: Let's talk trocken

It’s a year later. What have you found Brian? I know that you and I both have gotten hooked on Falkenstein. What else?
by R. Frankel
March 25th, 2021, 8:28 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 1995 and 1996 Bordeaux at 25: worth the hype?
Replies: 77
Views: 3366

Re: 1995 and 1996 Bordeaux at 25: worth the hype?

John thanks for sharing snapshots of Parker’s vintage summaries. Awesome that you’ve kept those scraps around for as long as you kept the wine!
by R. Frankel
March 24th, 2021, 7:03 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: With inflation possible, is wine a good hedge?
Replies: 66
Views: 2341

Re: With inflation possible, is wine a good hedge?

Jason T wrote: March 24th, 2021, 2:16 pm Easier, and the “feature” of exposing yourself to two different sets of fees and some new concerns around liquidity risk.
Well sure. I’m not recommending these vehicles, and I wouldn’t touch them. But if you really want to invest in wine this is an easy way to do it.
by R. Frankel
March 24th, 2021, 7:01 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 1995 and 1996 Bordeaux at 25: worth the hype?
Replies: 77
Views: 3366

Re: 1995 and 1996 Bordeaux at 25: worth the hype?

I wasn’t a buyer at the time so didn’t experience the hype. But I like both of these vintages. ‘95 has been consistently good in the right bank, and some left banks like Pichon Comtesse de Lalande and Margaux have been excellent. 1996 is even stronger. These wines are good now if still quite fruity ...
by R. Frankel
March 24th, 2021, 12:19 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: With inflation possible, is wine a good hedge?
Replies: 66
Views: 2341

Re: With inflation possible, is wine a good hedge?

One problem we have here is lack of data. High growth wine prices have really only been a feature of the market for 20 or 30 years. Very few periods of high inflation during that time period. It would be great to actually see long term analysis of wine pricing growth vs inflation instead of hypothes...
by R. Frankel
March 23rd, 2021, 4:30 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: IDTT 483: Levi Dalton on Accomasso (sort of)
Replies: 65
Views: 3456

IDTT 483: Levi Dalton on Accomasso (sort of)

If you're interested in Piemonte wines it's worth checking out this new I'll Drink to That! But this is one of the more unusual podcasts from Levi Dalton. The first hour+ (of this 95+ minute excursion) is not about Lorenzo Accomasso at all, but instead is a fairly meandering recount of Italian histo...
by R. Frankel
March 23rd, 2021, 11:36 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: With inflation possible, is wine a good hedge?
Replies: 66
Views: 2341

Re: With inflation possible, is wine a good hedge?

All the discussion about S&P is not particularly relevant. The topic at hand is alternative investments that can act as hedges. Investing in the S&P is not a hedge for the vast majority of people. The original question was whether wine was a good hedge against inflation. Certainly the S&...
by R. Frankel
March 23rd, 2021, 10:43 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: With inflation possible, is wine a good hedge?
Replies: 66
Views: 2341

Re: With inflation possible, is wine a good hedge?

I didn't define anything Henry - these are whatever Acker is defining as "Indices." Probably data from the one or two places you can actually invest in wine without buying the bottles yourself. Yes, if you are careful, aggressive and lucky you can get good returns on 5 or 10 bottles and ma...
by R. Frankel
March 23rd, 2021, 10:41 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2013 Latour released... Any takers?
Replies: 51
Views: 3061

Re: 2013 Latour released... Any takers?

I guess there are allocations and there are allocations. Bordeaux 1st allocations are clearly built around managing (some would say manipulating) pricing, not on actual availability. Hot Burgundy is actually allocated and sold out. In vogue California lists are the same. Want more than zero bottles ...
by R. Frankel
March 23rd, 2021, 10:30 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: With inflation possible, is wine a good hedge?
Replies: 66
Views: 2341

Re: With inflation possible, is wine a good hedge?

btw, if you go to the acker auction site you can run a graph with fine/rare wines against sp500 and the results are amazing. as good/better with less volatlity. Ok, pretty neat tool, took me a minute to find it. Even though I'm a little suspicious because I don't know what the data actually comes f...
by R. Frankel
March 23rd, 2021, 10:16 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2013 Latour released... Any takers?
Replies: 51
Views: 3061

Re: 2013 Latour released... Any takers?

Back to Latour. Does anyone think the price on the 2013 Grand Vin is going to suddenly go up? Or ever?
by R. Frankel
March 23rd, 2021, 10:14 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2013 Latour released... Any takers?
Replies: 51
Views: 3061

Re: 2013 Latour released... Any takers?

to be fair, it was trading at £2200/6 within a couple of weeks. Had I wanted to sell it then, it would have substantially outstripped the performance of the S&P 500. And that will remain true of Lafleur for many years to come - 100% return in a day. The question, really, is how I get my hands o...
by R. Frankel
March 23rd, 2021, 10:04 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: With inflation possible, is wine a good hedge?
Replies: 66
Views: 2341

Re: With inflation possible, is wine a good hedge?

I really doubt that wine is a good inflation hedge. Lots of good threads here on whether wine is a good investment at all. Add to that the unpredictability of currency movements and inflation, and this seems like a weird risk. Of course if someone can point to long term research that shows how wine ...
by R. Frankel
March 23rd, 2021, 9:31 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2013 Latour released... Any takers?
Replies: 51
Views: 3061

Re: 2013 Latour released... Any takers?

HenryB does have a good point. ‘First tranche’ release prices are not about volume, availability or distribution limitations. They are literal market testing. If the Chateaux see high demand, the next release is more expensive. Low demand and releases are dribbled out slowly so that even the low dem...
by R. Frankel
March 23rd, 2021, 9:04 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2013 Latour released... Any takers?
Replies: 51
Views: 3061

Re: 2013 Latour released... Any takers?

True, true. When I got into fine wines I thought that such premiums are purely because of the label and I wouldn't ever pay them. Then I joined some high profile wine groups and did Bordeaux horizontals for quite a few vintages. These were always blind tastings and we all scored the wines and perha...
by R. Frankel
March 23rd, 2021, 8:56 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2013 Latour released... Any takers?
Replies: 51
Views: 3061

Re: 2013 Latour released... Any takers?

Wine Cellarage also had 2015 Les Forts for $219. Perhaps more in line with the vintage quality, this still seems over-priced to me as a second wine. Is this the Latour for bargain seeking label displayers? It’s challenging to understand the pricing of a product that commands such market premiums and...
by R. Frankel
March 22nd, 2021, 12:56 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2017 Joh. Jos. Prüm - Wehlener Sonnenuhr Riesling Spätlese (Germany, Mosel Saar Ruwer)
Replies: 11
Views: 555

Re: TN: 2017 Joh. Jos. Prüm - Wehlener Sonnenuhr Riesling Spätlese (Germany, Mosel Saar Ruwer)

Brian, thanks for the note. While I drink a lot of Prüm Kabinetts very young, I usually hold the Spätleses for a while. I think the youngest one I've opened recently is 2005. I appreciate the reminder to not get too impatient with the babies snoozing in the cellar!
by R. Frankel
March 22nd, 2021, 12:43 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Criminal (EDIT: or silly, if you like) pricing on 2016 Produttori Crus
Replies: 165
Views: 16091

Re: Criminal (EDIT: or silly, if you like) pricing on 2016 Produttori Crus

I’m in the same boat. At around $75, would you pick up the Produttori or more of the Vajra Bricco delle Viola or Ravera? It’s a fair question. I bought over a case of the Vajra Barolos. At $66 (what I paid for Asili and Rabaja on Wine.com using various discounts) I was happy to have a few of the 20...
by R. Frankel
March 22nd, 2021, 12:25 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Is Cellartracker still the go-to for managing cellar?
Replies: 111
Views: 4882

Re: Is Cellartracker still the go-to for managing cellar?

Jay Miller wrote: March 22nd, 2021, 12:16 pm
A. So wrote: March 21st, 2021, 7:10 pm Is there seriously an alternative that won't leave me ROFL?
Letting your offsite storage company manage it.
Yea that works, until they update their online app to make it unusable.
by R. Frankel
March 21st, 2021, 7:18 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Traveling with older wine/dealing with sediment
Replies: 38
Views: 1125

Re: Traveling with older wine/dealing with sediment

I travel with older bottles. Often on airplanes where I’m not around to obsessively keep them upright. So I try to plan for some less sediment-y bottles the first night or two and give the more finicky bottles 3 or 4 days upright. If I was going for a 2 day trip I’d probably just not bring older Bar...
by R. Frankel
March 21st, 2021, 7:14 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Is Cellartracker still the go-to for managing cellar?
Replies: 111
Views: 4882

Re: Is Cellartracker still the go-to for managing cellar?

Vinocell looks interesting. Not switching from Cellar Tracker, no chance.
by R. Frankel
March 21st, 2021, 6:37 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2016 Pian dell'Orino Rosso di Montalcino
Replies: 4
Views: 257

Re: TN: 2016 Pian dell'Orino Rosso di Montalcino

I really liked this wine, thought it was a pretty good value at $47. Yes, it would be nice if it were cheaper. I’m curious what red wine you guys think is better in the $30 - low $40s. Not better value, but actually better, or even as good. Looking through my notes I did find a handful of candidates...
by R. Frankel
March 21st, 2021, 8:54 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Varietals similar to Nebbiolo?
Replies: 88
Views: 2842

Re: Varietals similar to Nebbiolo?

I would never compare nebbiolo and aglianico. Tannin is the only thing they have in common. Aglianico is dark and dense, and the aromatics bear no resemblance to nebbiolo. Yet in a blind tasting with seasoned Italy drinkers everybody guessed first either Barolo or Barbaresco when it was a 1970 Mast...
by R. Frankel
March 20th, 2021, 5:46 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: A terrible run
Replies: 19
Views: 1910

Re: A terrible run

Wow that's a nightmare Jeremy. But that Cepparello is a wonderful recompense.

I've had pretty bad luck with older Barolos more than any other kinds of wines I've bought. I just don't think the older storage on them was very good. But that '95 Margaux is more unusual. Very disappointing.

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