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I want to hold several bottles of 2014 italian wines because that year holds sentimental memory. If it was YOUR pick which one would you buy? It's YOUR choice so taste preference is according to you. How long are you holding them for? I’ve had the 14 Pergole Torte a few times and that should certai...

I want to hold several bottles of 2014 italian wines because that year holds sentimental memory. If it was YOUR pick which one would you buy? It's YOUR choice so taste preference is according to you. How long are you holding them for? I’ve had the 14 Pergole Torte a few times and that should certai...

That so-called rule of 15 seemed to have worked well for the 2004 Allemand Reynard. I will look to consume one of mine from the remote storage. 2004 is at absolute peak right now -- it's been one of the most enjoyable vintages these last few years. Chave, Allemand, Clape, Sorrel, Jamet are all abso...

2004 is at absolute peak right now -- it's been one of the most enjoyable vintages these last few years. Chave, Allemand, Clape, Sorrel, Jamet are all absolutely outstanding. Don't be ridiculous. Parker said it was an inferior vintage in the N. Rhone so you must be mistaken. I miss the days when he...

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October 11th, 2019, 5:32 am

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Neal.Mollen wrote: ↑
October 10th, 2019, 11:55 am
1978 Giscours
I saw that. Nice.
Also ordered the 89 Haut Batailley but it turned out that he no longer had the bottle. Boo!

Was tempted by that, but am on a bit of a self imposed ban so stayed strong (or is it weak?).
A shame about the 89!

Thanks for the notes Adrian, as always. Out of curiosity, how much air did you have the 13 open for? I’ve had it a couple of times this year and I think after a couple of hours in a decanter it’s in a great place. Very much agree with your thoughts on the 11. We didn't have the 13 -- did you mean 1...

This is a serious question [and I honestly don't know the answer to it]: What do you gain by committing infanticide on a $600 bottle of wine? Would it not be a vastly more satisfying experience if you were to hold the bottle for another 20 or 40 or 60 years, until it was actually ready to be consum...

Thanks for the notes Adrian, as always. Out of curiosity, how much air did you have the 13 open for? I’ve had it a couple of times this year and I think after a couple of hours in a decanter it’s in a great place. Very much agree with your thoughts on the 11.

I guess I have to revisit Verdet; the two I had last year felt very oaky to me.

Carlos, did your 83 seem very youthful and dark? I’m asking because I had one in a tasting several years ago and it was so youthful I suspected it was a fake (excellent wine, though). Maybe it really is that way? That's Pessac in 83; I had an 83 La Mission a few months ago and it was also stunning,...

The most recent one I had was Pontet Canet. It was very good and fairly open but my notes say “fiercely tannic.” It wouldn’t surprise me if a lot of the better wines were like that now. I think the 2000 Pontet Canet is reasonably approachable now after a bit of a decant. On the other hand, I though...

D@vid Bu3ker wrote: ↑
October 5th, 2019, 6:32 pm

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Craig G wrote: ↑
October 5th, 2019, 6:26 pm
We prefer ambiguity too.
Whether pedantry, sarcasm or both, we prefer it be funny.
I’ll let you know when I give a damn. It will be a long wait.

Thank you David. We’ll all appreciate prompt notification of when you finally post something funny.

Craig G wrote: ↑
October 5th, 2019, 6:26 pm
We prefer ambiguity too.

Whether pedantry, sarcasm or both, we prefer it be funny.

D@vid Bu3ker wrote: ↑
October 5th, 2019, 6:12 pm
It was actually sarcastic pedantry.

It was not. It was simply pedantry.

D@vid Bu3ker wrote: ↑
October 5th, 2019, 11:45 am
Aww...sarcasm hurts.

Not sarcasm, pedantry.

Respectfully, I don’t get the logic of why the buyer gets a freebie on a tariff neither the seller nor buyer could have anticipated at time of contracting or had any control over it. The seller should give the buyer the option of paying the tariff or rescinding the transaction. Do these consumers e...

Just got email from Zachy’s saying there changing the language and gonna hit me with the extra tariff. They also said there going to delay shipping from Europe hoping it goes away. I’m glad I didn’t buy much from Zachy’s. deadhorse based on Zachys prices you'd think they already had all kinds of ta...

Can't wait to see who will be the first person busted for smuggling high end wine into Miami on their cigarette boat. Alfert? He already got busted for his paintings! I'd worry about those on the water! Am picturing Alfert in a white jacket with a teal shirt holding a bottle of Clos Rougeard. Can't...

Congrats Neal - now's the time to enjoy all that old Bordeaux

Can't wait to see who will be the first person busted for smuggling high end wine into Miami on their cigarette boat. Alfert?

Agreed, it's a lusher, slightly more polished style so the leaner years tend to give a little more afwe bent. That said, his are the second best wines from the hill. That's true, though other than Faurie, whose wines are also tough to find, what's the competition, really? A thread for another time,...

Personally I’ve had a really tough time keeping my hands off my rapidly dwindling stash of 2012 Allemand....

One of the wines of the vintage. I’m counting on it. I think he does really well in “leaner” vintages. It’s a shame the wines tend to be hard to find. Agreed, it's a lusher, slightly more polished style so the leaner years tend to give a little more afwe bent. That said, his are the second best win...

Actually it is, because wines do not all follow a made up rule from one guy that somehow became an internet wine meme. Following the wines along their journey to maturity is (IMO) more respectful of the differences from wine to wine. If you want to engage in intentional obtuseness, that’s fine. I w...

Greg seems to still be rather piqued that I opened a 2012 Jamet a few weeks ago, but it was one of four. I won’t be opening another for a good long time. People drinking their wines however they please never piques me; people's wines, people's drinking habits and the way people enjoy their wines ar...

If you want to engage in hyperbole, go for it. If you would like the point made with no hyperbole, very well. The “rule of 15” has nothing to do with checking in on wines as the develop. If you want to do that, for the intellectual curiosity, and you find the experience edifying, you should. But it...

There was an 04 Sorrel Le Greal at this dinner. I fought it was great, but I also thought it wasn’t at its peak (or even particularly close). As is almost always true for wine, YMMV. One of the wines of the vintage. I’m counting on it. I think he does really well in “leaner” vintages. It’s a shame ...

It’s actually more about opening bottles periodically to follow the wine through its evolution. Which has nothing to do with the point people are making about the waiting 15 years to open northern Rhônes. If you own a pallet of 2005 Latour and want to open one every two weeks to check in, go for it...

It’s actually more about opening bottles periodically to follow the wine through its evolution. Which has nothing to do with the point people are making about the waiting 15 years to open northern Rhônes. If you own a pallet of 2005 Latour and want to open one every two weeks to check in, go for it.

There was an 04 Sorrel Le Greal at this dinner. I fought it was great, but I also thought it wasn’t at its peak (or even particularly close). As is almost always true for wine, YMMV. If you want to open your Jamet young, who am I to stop you?

It would not necessarily be a security in that case. Gold funds that hold bullion can fall into a regulatory grey area like this. Gold ETFs are SEC-regulated but somebody owning a warehouse and buying gold for you and sticking it into the warehouse would not be. That’s not the same thing, for sever...

As for it being a security, would that still be the case if the investor received a list of wines that he has invested in? Although the company technically owns the wine on behalf of the investor and stores it at a facility like the LCB, the investor is given a list of wines that's included within ...

As for it being a security, would that still be the case if the investor received a list of wines that he has invested in? Although the company technically owns the wine on behalf of the investor and stores it at a facility like the LCB, the investor is given a list of wines that's included within ...

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Looks like I have '96, '99 and '05 Mouches.
Only ‘99 here. But we should do it if folks are game.
I may have ‘02 or ‘01.

I think I have a couple of bottles of '08 in storage.

Howard, it's entirely possible you've had a run of slightly tired bottles; it certainly happens. I opened up a few 85s/86s in a row that were disappointments, but then opened up an 83 La Mission a few months back that was absolutely phenomenal and tasted remarkably fresh despite its age and tertiary...

FWIW, one of the people to whom I gave it blind the following day identified it as Cote Rotie. So to say it has "no Cote Rotie character" depends on the taster.

My friend tasted 15 juge on release and hated it so much he sold all the bottles he bought. The 15 Juge was so "un juge" like on release that rumors started to swirl he didn't make the wine. Interesting you guys didn't slot in any other 2015s. In retrospect not the worst idea, but to be perfectly h...

What do you by futures sold by an alternative investment? “Futures” in the financial context are not the same as “wine futures” as they are generally thought of in the wine industry.

I may have picked up a couple of Mark's bottles of Chave.........

My friend tasted 15 juge on release and hated it so much he sold all the bottles he bought. The 15 Juge was so "un juge" like on release that rumors started to swirl he didn't make the wine. Interesting you guys didn't slot in any other 2015s. In retrospect not the worst idea, but to be perfectly h...

Juge for President! My friend tasted 15 juge on release and hated it so much he sold all the bottles he bought. The 15 Juge was so "un juge" like on release that rumors started to swirl he didn't make the wine. Interesting you guys didn't slot in any other 2015s. In retrospect not the worst idea, b...

And we all wanted it to be awesome because it’s Benetiere. that's the money quote right there. same same same. given JLL's note mentioned VA, this seems like a ... thing. So the New Yorkers have spoken...complete crap then. As Zach said, that’s not the case. I wasn’t thrilled with it on day 2, but ...

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September 23rd, 2019, 3:40 pm

I'm picturing it this way.

If I recall correctly, took them well into the next season to finish off those cases of '86 Pichon Lalande.

Yes. Eventually he got tired of it.

YLee wrote: ↑
September 23rd, 2019, 1:14 pm

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YLee wrote: ↑
September 23rd, 2019, 12:30 pm
Case of '15 Ch. Lynch Bages @ $60 per bottle with free shipping and no tax. Yes please!
Is that what you paid for it to fall off the back of the truck? Great deal!
Almost a 5 finger discount.

I'm picturing it this way.

Against my better judgment given how contentious this post seems to have been, I'd like to add a data point to the discussion. A few NYers gathered last week to try the 15 Cordeloux. We consumed over a dinner alongside some peers ('12 Cordeloux, '14 Juge, '14 Gonon St Joe, a blind '16 Levet Journar...

YLee wrote: ↑
September 23rd, 2019, 12:30 pm
Case of '15 Ch. Lynch Bages @ $60 per bottle with free shipping and no tax. Yes please!

Is that what you paid for it to fall off the back of the truck? Great deal!

Against my better judgment given how contentious this post seems to have been, I'd like to add a data point to the discussion. A few NYers gathered last week to try the 15 Cordeloux. We consumed over a dinner alongside some peers ('12 Cordeloux, '14 Juge, '14 Gonon St Joe, a blind '16 Levet Journar...

I thought you needed some divorce work done quick

Got 3 bottles, which I’m quite happy with

Carillon hasn't been a big premox offender from my experience. His BBM production is tiny, which is what makes it difficult to find - I think he owns about .1 of a hectare, so can't be that many bottles made in the first place. 07 had some big time premox issues. Also have had premox'd 2000,2001,20...

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