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Bryan, It's not my fault if folks choose to read something into what I wrote that is not there. I cannot control how lazily people choose to read. Causation and correlation are different, and meaningfully so. Mark (and whomever else) can wave arms and call "red herring" 'till the sun goes down, but...

Astor is having a 20% sale on French wine today, so bought a bunch of Barthod's Bons Batons for some easy drinking.

Robert.A.Jr. wrote: ↑
April 14th, 2019, 5:07 pm
FWIW, I have preferred quite a few 16s over their 15 counterparts.

Same. Could be that they're drinking better young, but I have generally liked the balance on the 16s a lot more.

Thanks for the notes, these are always very interesting. Am a bit more hopeful than you on the Balthazar Chaillot - I quite like that wine.

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote: ↑
April 6th, 2019, 9:27 am
It was pretty fantastic young. I like checking wines out at all stages.

I find I love Lafarge and D’Angerville with age on them, but not young. Plus, more and more, there’s a real opportunity cost to opening young D’Angerville just to check on it

Anyway, this is all quite off topic.

I don’t think his wine is all that oaky. Do you think d’angerville is oaky? I think Verdet is quite a bit oakier than D'Angerville, but I'd also never open D'Angerville that young. I wouldn't wait 15 years to open Verdet's villages. The most similar wine I’ve opened this year to the 2013 Verdet CM ...

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote: ↑
April 6th, 2019, 6:28 am
I don’t think his wine is all that oaky.

Do you think d’angerville is oaky?

I think Verdet is quite a bit oakier than D'Angerville, but I'd also never open D'Angerville that young. I wouldn't wait 15 years to open Verdet's villages.

Supposedly a rising star; his personal holdings are in haut cotes de nuits but he has long term leases to produce from village sites in vosne, Chambolle, and morey, as well as boudots, damodes, and beaux monts. I would say the wines are modern-ish but the wood is well integrated on the 13s. Hmmm. I...

Alan Rath wrote: ↑
April 3rd, 2019, 4:23 pm
Aside from Ravenswood, is there a name on that list anyone around here ever cared about?

The legendary Paul Masson??!?!?

Perhaps long time winemakers can take unfinished wines and extrapolate their development. I can’t. And tasting unfinished or relatively inaccessible and shut down wines is still for intellectual curiosity more than enjoyment for me. I still remember the first time I tasted out of a barrel (Mouton's...

Mark, where is the conspiracy? I don't see it. 2015 Napa vs Bordeaux of the same price range. I think that's fair. Napa, by design, almost universally makes wines that are easier to drink young. Why would a tasting of the same vintages of Bordeaux and Napa be "fair"? If your conclusion is that youn...

A few of us had the 15 Chavaroche last year and I don't think anyone thought it was in a great place. YMMV.

Levet Journaries and Chavaroche
it's going to be a busy couple of months for the wallet.

All of these polls need to include the Phil Gramm option as a response - more than I need, but less than I want.

That's why I love Fourrier. At it worst, it's just incredibly pleasant wine that everyone will love. But when it's on, you get the complexity underneath. I've been opening my village 11s in the last 6 months and really enjoying them.

Please put me down for 2 please. Will have to find my finest Ohio made wine just for you Jay.

PM sent.

For current drinking, definitely 2004. But given that I haven’t touched most of my 05s, hard to make that a broad statement.

A bottle of 2016 Pillot Chevalier Montrachet. Ouch.

Spotty, 1975s, some fabulous wines, 75 La Tour Haut-Brion 75 Lafleur 75 L'Evangile 75 Mission Haut Brion 75 Petrus 75 Haut Brion 75 Cheval Blanc Love many '75s and have them in my cellar, for drinking over the next 20 years, if I last that long!!!! Also, Pichon Lalande and Leoville las Cases. I'm n...

Mixed case of Rollin. champagne.gif [cheers.gif] They had a lot of losses due to frost in 16, so I may not get as much Sous Fretile as I want (which is the one I always buy the most of). Might have to try and source that from two places. I love that wine, even if it's not quite the value it used to...

Mixed case of Rollin.

I've enjoyed some 06s and 08s and a few village 2011s. (In fairness, most of those village 2011s were from Fourrier, and those don't tend to shut down.) Opened one 2005 and won't be doing that again for a while

Thank you for the notes - I've been thinking of opening a 97.

Server at LaVara on Saturday night asked me how I acquired the 2006 LdH Tondonia Reserve I brought with us - did someone give it to us as a gift? Weirdest question I've ever gotten when bringing my own wine. The $25 corkage is well worth it though, food is great.

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2019, 5:55 pm
2015

Thanks.

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2019, 3:49 pm
I asked for some jamet but doubt i'll get it given how late I was. Didn't get any, but found for the same price elsewhere. Also found some 375s, which I am even happier about.

Out of curiosity, which Jamet was it?

‘98 Jamet Côte Rotie opened over the weekend, doubt there are better wines in Northern Rhône for that vintage. Have had it many times. Better to my taste are at least: Chave; Verset; Allemand Reynards; Clape. (Including all but Verset side by side with the Jamet.) I have had it 3 times in the last ...

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ky1em!ttskus wrote: ↑
March 23rd, 2019, 7:44 pm
Greg, I’m guessing you’re not on the N. Rhône mailing list...
Am on some, not on others. I’ve made peace with the Envoyer inconsistency
It might be better this way. Less temptations.

There’s that element, yes. Am buying less wine this year.

ky1em!ttskus wrote: ↑
March 23rd, 2019, 7:44 pm
Greg, I’m guessing you’re not on the N. Rhône mailing list...

Am on some, not on others. I’ve made peace with the Envoyer inconsistency

I own a few wines that I like but don’t love that have since acquired cult status. First time I’ve ever had this issue.

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Mich@el Ch@ng wrote: ↑
March 23rd, 2019, 8:47 am
17 Gonon for 90
Heh. Didn't get that offer.
Me either, though I did get a different Rhone offer; 2015 Patrick Jasmin Côte-Rôtie "Olea" & 2016 Côte-Rôtie. Put in for the Olea. We'll see.

I didn’t get that one either.

There are a couple producers for whom I try to keep a vertical, but only for Burgundy. Almost everything else is quite easy to backfill.

I've never even thought about it. A 2009 Pillot Chevalier Montrachet I opened recently was spectacular and I didn't think twice about 2009 being a rough year.

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote: ↑
March 23rd, 2019, 8:47 am
17 Gonon for 90

Heh. Didn't get that offer.

Craig G wrote: ↑
March 22nd, 2019, 11:28 am
No one drinks Chave any more. It’s too popular.

Dead at retail too.

I was also surprised by the oak in the 04, but then I've found I'm more sensitive to oak than most. I know some people have argued that the late 90s heralded a change in the Chave style, but I haven't had enough 2000s Chave to really comment. We’ve done a few tastings with older and newer Chave Her...

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote: ↑
March 22nd, 2019, 7:28 am
No Chave in a best of hermitage tasting?

Perhaps the argument is that Chave is simply Chave and therefore beyond Hermitage? (I think Sorrel is the second best Hermitage producer, personally, but other people's mmv.)

That’s a little surprising. My understanding is that no new oak is used in the St. Joseph. I’ve never had one that seemed oaky. pileon Read too fast. I thought this was a reference to the Hermitage. Ignore me. Not enough sleep this week. Even the Hermitage only has a small percentage of new oak. I ...

Glad to see the 04 Chave show well. Last time I had it I thought it was showing too much oak, which I normally don’t attribute to bottle variation. That’s a little surprising. My understanding is that no new oak is used in the St. Joseph. I’ve never had one that seemed oaky. pileon Read too fast. I...

Glad to see the 04 Chave show well. Last time I had it I thought it was showing too much oak, which I normally don’t attribute to bottle variation.

2008 Lionnet Terre Brule. A very nice showing, considerably better than the 05 I had last month which I didn't love.

Robert.A.Jr. wrote: ↑
March 13th, 2019, 4:10 pm
3 x 2016 Levet La Chavaroche
3 x 2016 Levet Les Journaries

I know, I should buy more....

This one is coming shortly for me as well.

Got some Pillot today, red and white.

Sounds lovely! One of 3 barolo producers I buy with regularity

Robert.A.Jr. wrote: ↑
March 8th, 2019, 3:03 pm
Weygandt killer close-out sale, for some

Domaine du Jaugaret 2012
Stéphane Otheguy Côte Rotie “Massale” 2013
Roche Nueves Les Memories 2014
Roche Nueves Franc de Pied 2014, 2012

Very curious what you think of this.

The alt Paulees are fun, more relaxing and plenty of time to linger over a great bottle. Not so the gala, which is an exercise in excess, and frankly a place to compare male appendages. The secret is to bring nteresting stuff that can be traded. I could not compete with some of the people there wit...

Never been to a Gala Dinner and I'm relatively sure I've never missed an evening I would enjoy. Once went to an after-gala party and 90% of the people who had been to the Gala Dinner could barely speak or stand. Much prefer the "alt" dinners. Joined six friends at Marea and drank three DP's, two Cr...

Jay, didn't we also have the 15 Gerard at the Norther Rhone dinner at Batard in the fall? We did, I brought it. Huh, I'll try and find my notes. I don't remember how I felt about it then. But I have to supposed it wasn't that memorable :) I thought the nose was wonderful but the body was a bit more...

Not Howard, but I unfortunately didn't try the Commune de Meursault table until the very end when they started closing up bottles and then was only able to run through a handful as they were being closed. Seemed like good stuff for their price point. That was a great table. No crowd and much less (...

As per Jason's note, I tasted with him and with Shan. I also thought Lignier's Clos de la Roche was phenomenal and surprisingly open now. The nose on the Hudellot-Noellat RSV was spectacular (I had asked for the Vosne first and was given the RSV so was ready to rush out and buy cases of the village ...

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