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I don't buy very expensive German wines but Keller makes some cheap and excellent wines such as Keller Riesling van der Fels, Feuervogel sylvaner, Scheurebe ... they are not the "glorious top wines" costing an arm and a leg... but they are decent QPRs. Obviously, the producers mentioned a...

1. Schaefer-Frohlich (by a reasonable distance) 2. Willi Schaefer 3. Selbach Oster 4. von Schubert 5. Probably Donnhoff, but recent vintages of Weiser-Kunstler may change that. I don’t have Keller here mostly because I’ve not had enough of it to be able to definitively place it in my hierarchy as I...

1. Schaefer-Frohlich (by a reasonable distance) 2. Willi Schaefer 3. Selbach Oster 4. von Schubert 5. Probably Donnhoff, but recent vintages of Weiser-Kunstler may change that. I don’t have Keller here mostly because I’ve not had enough of it to be able to definitively place it in my hierarchy as I ...

I had a pour of this at the Cantina next to the 2015, and liked it (it had been opened for a prior group) but was also not blown away, though I’m not sure I liked the 15 better.

You're throwing out quite a few babies with your bathwater there... the 1980 is very nice, and the 1982 is beautiful! Probably the most underrated La Chapelle today IMHO. After they built the new winery, the style changed, but the 1988 is a serious wine. I am also a bit of a 1990-skeptic, having ha...

I'm being a bit snarky, but I'm not really a fan of the hyped 89 and 90 either, and I had both again this past summer. They're oaky boring wines imho. Semi joking but there are two wines that I judge people’s palate honesty. If they have a positive note for 1990 La Chappelle 1990 Vogue Musigny I kn...

That's weird, I have had those PJA 89/90 La Chappelle's and didn't care for them either, but thought there was something wrong with me . Only tasted them twice in my life, and both were some years ago. And yet now - in somewhat limited experiences - I'm kind of enthused about the 'new' Jaboulet win...

Rich, I find Côte Rôtie more aromoatic and feminine, more plush on the palate, and also a wine that comes around much, much sooner. Greg, I uncorked the wines three hours before the meal and decanted them one hour before. All the best, Alex Thanks Alex. I had the 99 Le Greal last year, and I think ...

Rich, I find Côte Rôtie more aromoatic and feminine, more plush on the palate, and also a wine that comes around much, much sooner. Greg, I uncorked the wines three hours before the meal and decanted them one hour before. All the best, Alex Thanks Alex. I had the 99 Le Greal last year, and I think ...

Rich, I find Côte Rôtie more aromoatic and feminine, more plush on the palate, and also a wine that comes around much, much sooner. Greg, I uncorked the wines three hours before the meal and decanted them one hour before. All the best, Alex Thanks Alex. I had the 99 Le Greal last year, and I think ...

Alex, out of curiosity, how much air did you give these?

any experience with 2014 volnay from d'angerville and lafarge? i see 2014s well priced from this vintage...only vintage with lower prices is 2011. i know there was bad hail but from top producers in their top plots...anyone care to comment? I’ve had a few bottles of 2014 d’Angerville, and they’re p...

So far......2014 red is still delicious ( at age 7 now ) and it may not close-down. Another 2007 red ? i've had many a shut down 2014. 2013 on the other hand seems far more generous now I agree, over the past 6 months a number of the 2014s have been fairly shut down. 2013 is just an uneven vintage ...

Jay Miller wrote: ↑February 19th, 2021, 6:46 am Obviously it's all a bit subjective but I would include Drouhin Chambolle and Beaune wines in that category.

Jay, I would assume you mean with some age? I find them a bit tough in their youth, but agree they blossom after about 10 years or so (vintage dependent, obviously).

You’re wasting your time looking for Burgundy substitutes from outside burgundy. There are excellent wines that one might use the term “Burgundian” to describe ranging from CA/OR Pinot, German Pinot, Valtellina, Barolo, Etna, etc but they aren’t burgundy. If you want burgundy then buy burgundy. I t...

Friends, Stop looking for "the vintage of the century". Stick to years that give pleasure on an early basis (97, 2000, 2001, 2007...). According to Alix Millot : also 2010,11,12 and 13 are so-called "easy" vintages...Great domaines will always deliver quality whatever the vintag...

I am not trying to be difficult. I do contest your facts. The Amethyste, so labelled, is available for $52 at Macarthur's and $55 at Somm Picks. Would that price difference change the choice you make? If not, why? I have never had the Amethyste. If it were markedly inferior, I would follow your adv...

Let say because I personally did not like it, I would not call it a good vintage but I would not call it a bad vintage either. I would call it ....a vintage...does not fit my personal taste. That point leaves us with two alternatives: 1. The producer can never be wrong, so if I don't like the wines...

Although you can at times find the Journaries for $15 more, the lowest wine searcher price for ameythyste is $52 and for Maestria is $69 (for different vintages, it is true). The Chevaroche is a good bit more again. But let's say $15. That's a fair amount of money so I take it you find it a much be...

Personally, I don’t think the Amerhyste is worth buying. Not because it’s not good but because the price difference between it and the Journaries/Maestria and the Chavaroche/Peroline is so small. I think the Chavaroche especially does keep its wild side, but retains a lot of the fruit. The best Lev...

Greg.....here is what I wrote : ****There is no bad vintage in Burgundy if you buy wines from you prefer producers.**** [cheers.gif] Yes, that's wrong. Greg....your example of *not drinking a tainted bottle of wine *....is about certain number of bottles of wine made by your favourite producers fro...

Personally, I don’t think the Amerhyste is worth buying. Not because it’s not good but because the price difference between it and the Journaries/Maestria and the Chavaroche/Peroline is so small. I think the Chavaroche especially does keep its wild side, but retains a lot of the fruit. The best Leve...

If you now taste an '11 you passed on, from a favorite producer, and enjoy it now - sure it's light, and pales in comparison to the '05 version, which won't be ready for 15 years - but, you can buy some for $40 and enjoy it immensely as a casual drinker, a Tuesday wine, and the '05s are $200 specia...

Peter Chiu wrote: ↑February 17th, 2021, 6:07 pm Greg.....here is what I wrote : ****There is no bad vintage in Burgundy if you buy wines from you prefer producers.****

Yes, that's wrong.

Is there a possibility that maybe the general character ( repeat : general character ) of each of the particular vintage year - do not go well with the style of your favourite producers ? Then....there is a possibility that you are right in that your favourite producers ....made a bad judgement cal...

There is no bad vintage in Burgundy if you buy wines from you prefer producers. This just isn’t true. Plenty of my favorite producers made bad 2003s, 2004s, 2011s and 2018s reds, just for some obvious easy vintage references. It is true that wine is, to a certain extent, an intellectual hobby, but ...

Reminds me of that wine a decade or so ago, where Chateau Palmer made a cab-syrah blend with syrah from the Northern Rhone. I just looked it up -- it's the "Historical XIX Century Blend," sells for around $400. I think it's a cool concept, but I don't get the $700 price tag. Even if they'...

There is no bad vintage in Burgundy if you buy wines from you prefer producers. This just isn’t true. Plenty of my favorite producers made bad 2003s, 2004s, 2011s and 2018s reds, just for some obvious easy vintage references. It is true that wine is, to a certain extent, an intellectual hobby, but ...

I own a few of these since it’s my sister’s birth year and have opened a bunch for her more milestone years given the paucity of good 1984s. The good ones are great, but sadly storage is an issue. Let’s just say I don’t own them because our parents put them away when we were born :) Agreed. I got l...

I own a few of these since it’s my sister’s birth year and have opened a bunch for her more milestone years given the paucity of good 1984s. The good ones are great, but sadly storage is an issue. Let’s just say I don’t own them because our parents put them away when we were born

I love how different people’s perspectives on burgundy are! And I mean that without any sarcasm or snark. I buy/drink some of those wines and don’t think of any of them as particularly ethereal. To me the easiest answer is more Mugnier - but have his Chambolle village or Fuees. Cooler vintages of Be...

I’m glad these showed well for you. I have had very, very good and fair and awful Joly Clos de la Coulée de Serrant. My experiences lean toward disappointing; in my experience, inconsistency has been a hallmark. So I disagree with the premise that it “is the epitome of Chenin Blanc.” It’s not my fa...

I like Leitz quite a bit, but they're hard to find in the US due to importer issues (tried to buy the directly from the estate, but that fell through). I also think Weil's wines with a bit of age are lovely, and I think people sometimes, undervalue them because of the corporate (Suntory) ownership. ...

interesting comparison between Dujac and Palmer. i picture Palmer as a pretty high octane wine at this point and that is definitely not how i picture Dujac. my dujac comparison might be something that i picture with more spice like Cos? but i like this idea, i've always kind of wondered where peopl...

Yes, not surprised that the HD has the stuffing to go against the acid compared to a humble bourgogne blanc. My example was to highlight that, as always in Burgundy, a “great” vintage does not make a “great” wine, and a “great” producer can make a not-so-great wine. I do not believe that anyone tak...

I had this experience recently—drank Hubert Lamy’s ‘14 bourgogne blanc a few months ago and it was highly acidic. It didn’t seem like there was much else behind the acid that would bring it together with more age. I had a bottle of Lamy's 2014 Chez Derriere Haut Densite in November and it was spect...

there are many good to excellent producers in chablis that don't cost an arm and leg. Don't waste your money to try one bottle of PYCM CC Patrick Piuze Thomas Pico Domain Pattes Loup Domaine Servin Jean Claude Bessin to name a few What do you think of Bessin? Another winemaker in Chablis suggested ...

Seems inevitable that a few years from now most of us will be subsisting on Budweiser and Carlo Rossi. I don't think this is true. I agree that there are a lot of wines that are "out of reach" for a lot of people, but modern winemaking has never been better - there's never been a bigger o...

KenL. wrote: ↑February 12th, 2021, 10:57 am Had a 09 Togni last night that would fit the bill. Also would recommend Beta Vare and second the recommendation for Di Costanzo. Haven’t had one in a long time but White Rock also.

Togni is another really good call.

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Seems inevitable that a few years from now most of us will be subsisting on Budweiser and Carlo Rossi. I don't think this is true. I agree that there are a lot of wines that are "out of reach" for a lot of people, but modern winemaking has never been better - there's never been a bigger o...

Yes, Germano 's riesling is excellent, as is his sparkling wine from nebbiolo. Berserker Oliver McCrum imports them on the West Coast; Moore Bros. in the NJ/NY area. Oliver also bring in Cavallotto and Oddero , which have been mentioned by others, and Brezza , which deserves a mention -- another ve...

Ha, that’s cold, but I did get the card! I would not recommend this pairing..... 52553168-BD33-47F3-8906-14F70581440E.jpeg ;) Finally, something that might give Ovid some proper cabernet typicity! [stirthepothal.gif] Of course, I brought the Vatan, my buddy brought the Ovid. He easily has 150+ bott...

Just as a casual observer of tasting notes, one thing I have noticed about 2014 is that the greatness is not as evident in Cellartracker notes where people evaluate the wines. Usually for red wines there are very sharp differences in the scores you see for the greatest vintages compared to the surr...

In terms of value, I targetted the normale of Vietti (punches above its weight imo), Massolino, Luigi Pira mainly, a bit of Grosso as well. Does anyone have experience with Ettore Germano and Cavallotto ? Just got 2 offers raving about them with low priced Barolo and Nebbiolos... haven't seen them ...

Robert.A.Jr. wrote: ↑February 11th, 2021, 4:46 am
Kris Patten wrote: ↑February 10th, 2021, 9:31 pm Ask #1 fanboy Alfert....

Ha, that’s cold, but I did get the card!

I would not recommend this pairing.....

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Finally, something that might give Ovid some proper cabernet typicity!

I guess I'd start from a slightly different premise - which producers in Burgundy have you really enjoyed? There are a lot of threads on this board about vintages, at which point everyone agrees that the most important thing is the producer, so......if you're interested in a real grand cru experienc...

Jay Miller wrote: ↑February 11th, 2021, 11:44 am 1 bottle of 2017 Xavier Gerard Cote Rotie

I didn't like the 2015 but wanted to give them another chance.

I think the 2015 has gotten better with some bottle age - am curious what you think of the 2017.

Jay Miller wrote: ↑February 11th, 2021, 8:44 am For many years my rule of thumb has been sometimes decant red Burgundy but always decant white Burgundy.

Completely agree with this - white burgundy really benefits from a decant, especially now that many producers are making reductive wines.

How many 2014 white Burgs have you tasted? If you have had many, you would understand the vote. Yes Howard, keep the naysayers in line! If they dare question, attack their credibility, this is the way! Funnily, I’m not a naysayer, I’m just suggesting that if you asked non-Berserkers, there might be...

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