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by RichardFlack
October 20th, 2020, 7:27 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Red Wine Pairing when White is Best
Replies: 53
Views: 1346

Re: Red Wine Pairing when White is Best

And mass produced oaky sweet fruit bomb Cabs.... ?
by RichardFlack
October 19th, 2020, 5:56 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Red Wine Pairing when White is Best
Replies: 53
Views: 1346

Re: Red Wine Pairing when White is Best

Blanc de Noirs? Tell them you’re bringing Pinot Noir.....

Seriously, “lemon chicken” is such a moveable feast it’s hard to get specific.
by RichardFlack
October 19th, 2020, 5:50 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Red Wine Pairing when White is Best
Replies: 53
Views: 1346

Re: Red Wine Pairing when White is Best

I do find it interesting that people will totally dismiss ‘basic’ whites, but will happily drink a basic red. It’s as if the bar is higher for whites (but then they are surprised when it is surmounted).
by RichardFlack
October 19th, 2020, 3:48 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Red Wine Pairing when White is Best
Replies: 53
Views: 1346

Re: Red Wine Pairing when White is Best

Silly question, have the blancophobes ever tried good whites, properly served? Sometimes they don’t give white a proper chance. We have some friends who were predominantly red drinkers, who are learning to like whites. They had tended to think of whites as aperitifs rather than potentially food wine...
by RichardFlack
October 19th, 2020, 2:08 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Red Wine Pairing when White is Best
Replies: 53
Views: 1346

Re: Red Wine Pairing when White is Best

What about Champagne (not rose)? I feel like it would pair wonderfully and a lot of non-wine geeks don't often consider Champagne to be "white wine." I've met people that wouldn't be interested in drinking "white wine" but would be excited to have some Dom Perignon for example or even just any Cham...
by RichardFlack
October 19th, 2020, 1:57 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Red Wine Pairing when White is Best
Replies: 53
Views: 1346

Re: Red Wine Pairing when White is Best

Thanks so much for the recommendations so far! To answer the questions: 1) We are brining wine and someone else is cooking, so I wouldn't be able to change the dish (nor would I want to, host is a fantastic cook). 2) I am not sure about herbs or white / dark meat. 3) I think I am pretty much the on...
by RichardFlack
October 19th, 2020, 1:56 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Red Wine Pairing when White is Best
Replies: 53
Views: 1346

Re: Red Wine Pairing when White is Best

Other than lemon, what seasonings (e.g. herb components) will be involved? The wine pairing doesn't have to just focus on the lemon. The chicken itself is largely irrelevant. It's just a base material. Also - dark meat (thighs) or white meat? Dark meat is more flexible. Plus the method of preparati...
by RichardFlack
October 19th, 2020, 1:52 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Red Wine Pairing when White is Best
Replies: 53
Views: 1346

Re: Red Wine Pairing when White is Best

How much are you trying to make the pairing a really great pairing, versus how much do you just want to serve a wine that your company likes? If it's the latter, probably just about anything would go well enough. And it's definitely not wrong to choose "serve wine your company actually likes" over ...
by RichardFlack
October 17th, 2020, 6:31 pm
Forum: Epicurean Exploits - Food and Recipes
Topic: ZÜRCHER GESCHNETZELTES
Replies: 9
Views: 248

Re: ZÜRCHER GESCHNETZELTES

Movenpick in Toronto had something like this in the 80s , really yummy.
Would a dash of Dijon work in this?
by RichardFlack
October 17th, 2020, 6:24 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: It's critic bingo! (Dept. of Neologisms)
Replies: 1239
Views: 58590

Re: It's critic bingo! (Dept. of Neologisms)

Which leads to another question: How many dimensions (and how many words?) does it take to reach 100 points, and how many points are assigned to each dimension? Seeing how much more information can be stored by adding a new dimension, I think that it wouldn't take much more than a mediocre 4-dimens...
by RichardFlack
October 17th, 2020, 10:24 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The Burgundy (aka $100) Daily / Weekly Drinker
Replies: 103
Views: 3468

Re: The Burgundy (aka $100) Daily / Weekly Drinker

I’m slightly confused as to the practical purpose of this. $100 US for a daily drinker is getting up there. I think that equates to about $150 Can at the KGBO. Maybe I’m a pauper but that’s more like a weekly, perhaps even monthly bottle.
Having said that interesting lists.
by RichardFlack
October 10th, 2020, 5:41 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: QPR Hall of Fame
Replies: 72
Views: 4397

Re: QPR Hall of Fame

Sherry
by RichardFlack
October 10th, 2020, 10:04 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Chateau Montelena no red wine produced in 2020
Replies: 33
Views: 2998

Re: Chateau Montelena no red wine produced in 2020

Given that there is a market for wines with names like "Butter" and "Sexual Chocolate", I don't understand why they can't sell this stuff off under a brand-name that capitalizes on the smokey aspect of the grapes. It could be called "Wildfire" or "Ole' Smokey," "Ash Barrel" or "Smoked Pole Red". Th...
by RichardFlack
October 9th, 2020, 2:31 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2013 La Rioja Alta Rioja Viña Alberdi Reserva
Replies: 1
Views: 125

Re: TN: 2013 La Rioja Alta Rioja Viña Alberdi Reserva

3647 days to go.....
Sorry, could resist the sequitur.
by RichardFlack
October 5th, 2020, 3:57 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: General Corkage guidelines / etiquette
Replies: 179
Views: 5081

Re: General Corkage guidelines / etiquette

One of the things I really like about corkage is when we go out to a nice restaurant with civilian friends. If you don't bring wine, then you face this awkward situation: (1) they know you're "the wine guy" and expect you to pick the wines, (2) you often don't know what their comfort level is as fa...
by RichardFlack
October 5th, 2020, 3:53 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: General Corkage guidelines / etiquette
Replies: 179
Views: 5081

Re: General Corkage guidelines / etiquette

I have only limited knowledge of the US scene and I’m no expert on restaurant financing, but my guess is that restaurants make little or no profit on the food, and most profit comes from wine sales. My understanding is that target wine markups here are around list prices around 3.5 x the KGBO price ...
by RichardFlack
October 5th, 2020, 2:17 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: General Corkage guidelines / etiquette
Replies: 179
Views: 5081

Re: General Corkage guidelines / etiquette

One thing I'd like to add, to be honest - I think its a bit rude to take a bottle of wine they have on the list, especially at the higher end. That being said, my local restaurant is doing a magnum of 1998 Hermitage La Chapelle for like £1300, I've got one which cost like £150... So if you were to ...
by RichardFlack
October 3rd, 2020, 11:35 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Jancis R says riesling is better
Replies: 45
Views: 1750

Re: Jancis R says riesling is better

Daniel - I suspect that was in relation to the Auslesen etc. See what I mean about German wines being complicated at least for the average consumer. A related question, perhaps it’s been covered elsewhere. Is the reputation of a grape (or established blend ) mainly determined by A) The very top prod...
by RichardFlack
October 3rd, 2020, 11:15 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Jancis R says riesling is better
Replies: 45
Views: 1750

Re: Jancis R says riesling is better

The article title says white wine grape. Though I can't see the article (yet), not all riesling is from Germany. The article was really about German Riesling and climate change, and 2019 vs 2018 vintages. Mosel is not cool climate lately. Would love to have read it, don't have a subscription though...
by RichardFlack
October 3rd, 2020, 10:49 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Jancis R says riesling is better
Replies: 45
Views: 1750

Re: Jancis R says riesling is better

J Dove wrote:
October 3rd, 2020, 10:48 am
Jim Brennan wrote:
October 3rd, 2020, 9:50 am
I prefer both Riesling and Chenin Blanc over Chardonnay, so I'm on board!
Ditto.
I’m good with all three, especially if the Chenin is from South Africa.
by RichardFlack
October 3rd, 2020, 10:48 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Jancis R says riesling is better
Replies: 45
Views: 1750

Re: Jancis R says riesling is better

Not this again! This is one of the most preposterous opinions that I see on this board, and it pops up with some regularity. First of all, I would perhaps agree that it might be in the top five, but only if you exclude all red wines. Also, arguing that something from Germany is inherently superior ...
by RichardFlack
October 3rd, 2020, 10:46 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Jancis R says riesling is better
Replies: 45
Views: 1750

Re: Jancis R says riesling is better

“There are no great wines, just great bottles.”
Now, where have I heard that?

I do think there is a serious point, which is the disconnect between its general reputation (poor) and quality (great, if not the greatest).
by RichardFlack
October 3rd, 2020, 10:17 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Jancis R says riesling is better
Replies: 45
Views: 1750

Re: Jancis R says riesling is better

I suspect part of the problem is image as well as very confused, not to say deceptive, marketing (“beware the bereich” as someone more learned than I put it). A quality system based on sweetness is perverse. (Next will be Napa quality designation based on ABV). The Greatest white grape? Debatable, ...
by RichardFlack
October 3rd, 2020, 10:15 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Jancis R says riesling is better
Replies: 45
Views: 1750

Re: Jancis R says riesling is better

I suspect part of the problem is image as well as very confused, not to say deceptive, marketing (“beware the bereich” as someone more learned than I put it). A quality system based on sweetness is perverse. (Next will be Napa quality designation based on ABV). The Greatest white grape? Debatable, h...
by RichardFlack
October 3rd, 2020, 8:12 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Retailers' e-mails that caused me to guffaw
Replies: 91
Views: 4308

Re: Retailers' e-mails that caused me to guffaw

Back to the original topic, I was a little surprised to get an e-mail today from Flatiron NY offering Jaboulet's Domaine de Saint-Pierre Cornas, touting that the vineyard "is located at the top of Cornas' plateau." Being on the plateau above the steep slopes isn't normally a selling point for North...
by RichardFlack
October 2nd, 2020, 9:31 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Retailers' e-mails that caused me to guffaw
Replies: 91
Views: 4308

Re: Retailers' e-mails that caused me to guffaw

See also "a baby ___". Big-ticket first growths and thousand dollar Burgundy grand crus have so many babies they must be using the rhythm method! So true. Baby Brunello, Baby Barolo. I think I read where Fonbel was a "baby Ausone" (it is from the same producer, but it's like a $20 wine). But not a ...
by RichardFlack
October 2nd, 2020, 9:31 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Retailers' e-mails that caused me to guffaw
Replies: 91
Views: 4308

Re: Retailers' e-mails that caused me to guffaw

See also "a baby ___". Big-ticket first growths and thousand dollar Burgundy grand crus have so many babies they must be using the rhythm method! So true. Baby Brunello, Baby Barolo. I think I read where Fonbel was a "baby Ausone" (it is from the same producer, but it's like a $20 wine). But not a ...
by RichardFlack
October 2nd, 2020, 9:29 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Retailers' e-mails that caused me to guffaw
Replies: 91
Views: 4308

Re: Retailers' e-mails that caused me to guffaw

One of my favourites from the KGBO here is “Expect to taste....”
Why don’t they just fess up and say they haven’t any idea what’s in the bottle?

A bit more geeky was “.... Syrah, the French version of Shiraz...”
by RichardFlack
September 30th, 2020, 4:54 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Okanagan (Western Canadian) Superlative Wines
Replies: 45
Views: 1701

Re: Okanagan (Western Canadian) Superlative Wines

I believe most have been “open” for quite a few weeks (at least the ones I’m in contact with) , but I would definitely phone or email first anyway. Also you can probably customise your visit a bit. As well as CV19 there has been some smoke. Don’t forget this is a busy time for the people actually ma...
by RichardFlack
September 30th, 2020, 4:14 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Clerc Milon ? ...
Replies: 28
Views: 1606

Re: Clerc Milon ? ...

Jim F wrote:
September 30th, 2020, 1:11 pm
There have been some good ones! Heck, it’s stablemate d’armhailac is an impressive drink with a few years of age.
+1. Personally I’ve always preferred D’Armailhac. Excellent value.
by RichardFlack
September 29th, 2020, 5:57 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Is Sémillon the Southern Hemisphere's Greatest White Grape?
Replies: 29
Views: 1193

Re: Is Sémillon the Southern Hemisphere's Greatest White Grape?

<...> Between the classic Hunter Valley bottlings and a few fantastic examples I've had of the grape from South Africa, it seems that Sémillon is the perfect grape to grow in the hotter dry climes of South Africa/Australia/elsewhere. <...> Your note piqued my curiosity and I went to CT since I can'...
by RichardFlack
September 28th, 2020, 3:58 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: It's critic bingo! (Dept. of Neologisms)
Replies: 1239
Views: 58590

Re: It's critic bingo! (Dept. of Neologisms)

the 2008 bristles on the palate with pure pedigree.
That sounds quite unappetising.
by RichardFlack
September 28th, 2020, 12:45 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wine scorers: Absolute or Relative to "Class" ?
Replies: 63
Views: 1742

Re: Wine scorers: Absolute or Relative to "Class" ?

I don’t use the 100 point scale. With variations in food, temperature, mood etc I don’t think I’m that reliable. The scale below with half points and +s when I think there is potential for improvement does for me 0 - faulty * - dull ** - its okay *** - I like this **** - I wish I had another case *...
by RichardFlack
September 28th, 2020, 12:41 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wine scorers: Absolute or Relative to "Class" ?
Replies: 63
Views: 1742

Re: Wine scorers: Absolute or Relative to "Class" ?

If scoring is about the quality of the wine without regard for any other aspect, has anyone ever scored a Pinot Grigio 100 points? What would you score the best PG (let's say best by a mile) you've ever had? For me, when I score on CT or for myself, I think I partially handicap the wine "for what i...
by RichardFlack
September 28th, 2020, 6:00 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wine scorers: Absolute or Relative to "Class" ?
Replies: 63
Views: 1742

Re: Wine scorers: Absolute or Relative to "Class" ?

The answer to both of you is that the critics who do use a future prediction in there scores should say something like "92 currently, with possibility of a 6 point improvement with 15 years cellaring." I totally understand that many wines (and many of the wines I enjoy) need cellaring of 10-30 year...
by RichardFlack
September 27th, 2020, 5:48 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2018 Christian Moreau Père & Fils Chablis
Replies: 1
Views: 170

Re: TN: 2018 Christian Moreau Père & Fils Chablis

And the there’s Jean-Joseph, aka J Moreau et fils.
by RichardFlack
September 27th, 2020, 9:10 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wine scorers: Absolute or Relative to "Class" ?
Replies: 63
Views: 1742

Re: Wine scorers: Absolute or Relative to "Class" ?

One advantage of the current grade inflation is that good values are often to be found in the 87-89 point bracket.
by RichardFlack
September 26th, 2020, 9:56 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wine scorers: Absolute or Relative to "Class" ?
Replies: 63
Views: 1742

Re: Wine scorers: Absolute or Relative to "Class" ?

Great question. Sometimes I think varietal is a factor. There have been countless Napa Cabs that have scored 100 points but I don't recall ever seeing a Zinfandel get 100 points. Why is that? Is Zinfandel at its very best only worth of 98 points? Tom I've always found this one of the biggest flaws ...
by RichardFlack
September 26th, 2020, 4:11 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wine scorers: Absolute or Relative to "Class" ?
Replies: 63
Views: 1742

Re: Wine scorers: Absolute or Relative to "Class" ?

Marcus Dean wrote:
September 26th, 2020, 4:09 pm
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
September 26th, 2020, 3:55 pm
Absolute, irrespective of variety or anything else.
I agree, but are you scoring for the drink now aspect or the potential?
New thread. 😀
by RichardFlack
September 26th, 2020, 4:10 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wine scorers: Absolute or Relative to "Class" ?
Replies: 63
Views: 1742

Re: Wine scorers: Absolute or Relative to "Class" ?

do you use the same criteria for scoring for a $20 wine as you would for a $200 wine. Yes. One thing I've learned that high price doesn't mean high quality. If I rate a $15 wine 95 and a $150 wine 94, that means I'd favor that cheaper wine if both were poured to me blind. However, it's always more ...
by RichardFlack
September 26th, 2020, 4:04 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wine scorers: Absolute or Relative to "Class" ?
Replies: 63
Views: 1742

Re: Wine scorers: Absolute or Relative to "Class" ?

And course there is the Johnson system I’ve mentioned before (Hugh, not Boris), which I guess is relative at least when it gets into buying cases or the vineyard. Seriously though, how does a 95 pt rating for Pinot compare to a 95 pt rating for Zin, unless one like both absolutely equally (that appl...
by RichardFlack
September 26th, 2020, 3:32 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wine scorers: Absolute or Relative to "Class" ?
Replies: 63
Views: 1742

Re: Wine scorers: Absolute or Relative to "Class" ?

I would say, absolute within class. Price should not be a factor. QPR is for the comments. Isn’t that the point of blind tasting? You may know what the subject of the tasting is but that’s it. Im not sure I see the point of scoring wines non blind, or worse tasted in a social setting. “There are no ...
by RichardFlack
September 26th, 2020, 3:23 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wine scorers: Absolute or Relative to "Class" ?
Replies: 63
Views: 1742

Re: Wine scorers: Absolute or Relative to "Class" ?

Absolute. You see CT ratings influenced by critics all the time. The old cliche was people giving a high (like 94) rating to a big, over-ripe, overly oaky wine they did not like. Absolutely nuts. "This wine is undrinkably revolting. 94 points." As has been discussed in recent threads, some of the m...
by RichardFlack
September 25th, 2020, 6:13 pm
Forum: Beer and Spirits
Topic: The Cocktail Thread
Replies: 636
Views: 51999

Re: The Cocktail Thread

COCKTAIL CHRONICLES: THE LOST LAKE I just caught this one on the Educated Barfly so I decided to make it: LOST LAKE Spirits: 2 Rum [/b] Liqueurs: .25 Maraschino [/b] Fruit: .75 lime; .5 Pineapple; .75 Passionfruit [/b] Sweets: None Bitters: .25 parts Campari, Aperol, Rosso Antico or other red bitte...
by RichardFlack
September 25th, 2020, 6:10 pm
Forum: Beer and Spirits
Topic: The Cocktail Thread
Replies: 636
Views: 51999

Re: The Cocktail Thread

COCKTAIL CHRONICLES: THE FRENCH RIVIERA You say you want a sweet cocktail? A REALLY sweet cocktail? Oh wait, you didn't? Well, surprisingly, neither did I but we're all getting one anyway because that's what I ended up making. Have those insulin pills on standby: FRENCH RIVIERA Spirits: 1.5 parts B...
by RichardFlack
September 25th, 2020, 5:33 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Okanagan (Western Canadian) Superlative Wines
Replies: 45
Views: 1701

Re: Okanagan (Western Canadian) Superlative Wines

CJ Wiebe wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 4:03 pm
WineVIP out of San Rafael carries a small number of Canadian wines and ships.
So that would be a case of Clos Jordanne, and a C & C yacht,say?
by RichardFlack
September 25th, 2020, 3:00 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Okanagan (Western Canadian) Superlative Wines
Replies: 45
Views: 1701

Re: Okanagan (Western Canadian) Superlative Wines

Yeah that was why we thought dinner was a better idea. In fairness the rest of the food was good. The problems were basically QA in the kitchen and management MIA in the dining room. (An amusing moment was the server perusing the back label of a bottle in an attempt to answer a question I had). Anyw...
by RichardFlack
September 24th, 2020, 3:32 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Okanagan (Western Canadian) Superlative Wines
Replies: 45
Views: 1701

Re: Okanagan (Western Canadian) Superlative Wines

Interesting discussion. We had our first visit to Okanagan last fall and it was something of a revelation. Great scenery and some interesting winery architecture. And some really good wines. (And a few shall we say novelty wineries with much less compelling product). We only managed a dozen wineries...
by RichardFlack
September 21st, 2020, 3:48 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2017 Louis Michel MdT Chablis
Replies: 16
Views: 1187

Re: TN: 2017 Louis Michel MdT Chablis

And isn’t infanticide illegal?

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