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by Troy Stark
September 17th, 2020, 11:26 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

Re: de Negoce offer

I still find the WB obsession with low ABV so interesting...is this a common thread amongst wine aficionados? I'm not sure it's a "WB obsession." There are plenty of people on WB who love big, tannic, high ABV wines and there are tons of people not on WB who can't stand those types of wines. That s...
by Troy Stark
September 17th, 2020, 9:09 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

Re: de Negoce offer

Mike G wrote:
September 17th, 2020, 9:03 am
Out of curiosity, and continuing the theme, anyone else in the Miami, FL area?
Is Tampa close enough?! LOL
by Troy Stark
September 17th, 2020, 8:52 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

Re: de Negoce offer

I still find the WB obsession with low ABV so interesting...is this a common thread amongst wine aficionados? I'm not sure it's a "WB obsession." There are plenty of people on WB who love big, tannic, high ABV wines and there are tons of people not on WB who can't stand those types of wines. That s...
by Troy Stark
September 15th, 2020, 5:38 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

Re: de Negoce offer

Scott Watkins wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 3:50 pm
Iron horse makes Gold ridge Pinots and I think they sell north of $60?
This was my first thought.
by Troy Stark
September 14th, 2020, 5:24 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

Re: de Negoce offer

Troy, I think Margo is asking about California sparkling wine. I have no idea, even if I imagine if there is high end available, that it would cost more than bulk still wine. Anyone have thoughts on this? Same principles apply for any wine made using the traditional method of secondary bottle ferme...
by Troy Stark
September 13th, 2020, 5:43 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

Re: de Negoce offer

I hate to ask this question as I'm worried it will show an embarrassing amount of ignorance, but is there ever any sparkling wine in the bulk market? Is there a chance we could see bubbly in a future release? I would be super jazzed about that! It's a good question. The answer is "yes and no." Take...
by Troy Stark
September 13th, 2020, 5:19 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

Re: de Negoce offer

David Crow wrote:
September 13th, 2020, 12:36 pm
They produce Chardonnay from Oakville, but I’m pretty sure all of their cab comes from Howell Mountain and Mt Veeder.

https://www.oshaughnessywinery.com/Wines
O'Shaugnessy"s wines are *chef kiss*. We can't lose here.
by Troy Stark
September 13th, 2020, 11:30 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

Re: de Negoce offer

Does it? They don't own the atlas peak land so remains to be seen if they will continue sourcing fruit to barrel to add it to the lineup. That said, likely they have 2019 sitting in barrels somewhere. Wonder if Cam bought those too though. High end producers typically don't contract for fruit/viney...
by Troy Stark
September 11th, 2020, 5:42 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What would your classification of Loire reds be?
Replies: 377
Views: 19739

Re: What would your classification of Loire reds be?

I really enjoy solar vintages in the Loire (classic vintages, too - they just serve different purposes), so I'm guessing that one would be right up my ally. Thanks for the note.
by Troy Stark
September 9th, 2020, 9:25 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

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In 1999, guided by a vision of crafting a balanced and sophisticated style of mountain Cabernet Sauvignon, they founded Ladera, which means “hillside” in Spanish and Italian, and made their debut vintage of Cabernet Sauvignon. Ladera quickly earned acclaim as a rising star with a reputation for mak...
by Troy Stark
September 9th, 2020, 5:38 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

Re: de Negoce offer

RC is one of the top producers in Napa at any price. Not sure why they never achieved cult status, but their wines are impeccable.
by Troy Stark
September 9th, 2020, 5:36 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Domaine Marc Colin?
Replies: 10
Views: 855

Re: Domaine Marc Colin?

Anyone know who's importing these wines now (Shiverick is no longer)? Did some googling and emailing and seems I'm striking out. TIA! Possible that other importers such as myself are waiting for the tariff to disappear. We have all of our 2018 Red & White Burgundy (including Marc Colin) - just sitt...
by Troy Stark
September 8th, 2020, 2:28 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Domaine Marc Colin?
Replies: 10
Views: 855

Re: Domaine Marc Colin?

Thanks, Tom. I emailed Corso just now.
by Troy Stark
September 8th, 2020, 2:26 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

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john mccarty wrote:
September 8th, 2020, 2:18 pm
V difficult to find a High-end Walla Walla cab that competes with top Napa cab, but High-end Walla Walla Syrah or GSM are hard to beat stateside.
Oh man, disagree here. We much prefer Columbia Valley Bdx treatments over Napa/Sonoma. To each there own, of course.
by Troy Stark
September 8th, 2020, 1:02 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

Re: de Negoce offer

21 + 46 = 1000 (cases). Interesting. Does this change the calculus on whether this is RC? I don't think it does. The opposite, in fact. According to their website, they produce about 1800 cases of the Howell Mountain. The 2016 inaugural release of Mt Veeder was about 500 cases and sold out on releas...
by Troy Stark
September 8th, 2020, 12:47 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

Re: de Negoce offer

Mike R wrote:
September 8th, 2020, 12:43 pm
I already bought 21 so this was a pass for me. Sucks, since this is basically a "better" 21 per the description.
Better is relative, of course. I suspect many will prefer 21 to 46. Time will tell.
by Troy Stark
September 8th, 2020, 12:47 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

Re: de Negoce offer

I guess I can now officially regret my #21 purchase. But I'll pass on this offer and just force myself to drink the crappier version. I'm a little confused myself. That said, not sure you should regret it. I suspect different lots of basically the same wine given the description. One may have been ...
by Troy Stark
September 8th, 2020, 11:06 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Domaine Marc Colin?
Replies: 10
Views: 855

Re: Domaine Marc Colin?

Interesting. Website lists Philippe Colin but not Marc. I'll reach out. Thanks.
by Troy Stark
September 8th, 2020, 8:52 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Domaine Marc Colin?
Replies: 10
Views: 855

Domaine Marc Colin?

Anyone know who's importing these wines now (Shiverick is no longer)? Did some googling and emailing and seems I'm striking out. TIA!
by Troy Stark
September 4th, 2020, 12:35 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Top Cellar Holdings by Producer and Some Thoughts on how/why that's Changed
Replies: 87
Views: 4895

Re: Top Cellar Holdings by Producer and Some Thoughts on how/why that's Changed

We have also migrated toward drinking more white wine and Champagne over the years.
by Troy Stark
September 4th, 2020, 10:11 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

Re: de Negoce offer

Agreed, sock puppets are not a thing on WB. If there are any, they get discovered very quickly in my experience. The accusations are pretty baseless/petty.
by Troy Stark
September 4th, 2020, 9:52 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

Re: de Negoce offer

Pretty sure the mods have IP tracking and can rule out whether new accounts are sock puppets for existing users.
by Troy Stark
September 4th, 2020, 6:10 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

Re: de Negoce offer

Yep, I totally agree with this - i just can't wrap me head around how a winery can sell a bottle of wine for under $10 and still make money off of it. Especially if they're purchasing the grapes. If they already own the land/grapes outright, I can 'kinda' see it.....but still seems like it would be...
by Troy Stark
September 3rd, 2020, 5:43 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

Re: de Negoce offer

Is someone really complaining about the use of the word "snowflake" as being overtly politicized? While it may often be used to dismiss contrarian points of view in a political discussion, that's not exclusively so. "Snowflake" clearly means "delicate." It's pejorative, not political.
by Troy Stark
September 2nd, 2020, 12:41 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

Re: de Negoce offer

The other board darling for dry aged steaks is Flannery. I think they're running 20% off CA ribeyes and 25% off Midwest Hangers right now. Just another option to investigate.

Back on track; where's our offer???
by Troy Stark
September 2nd, 2020, 10:59 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

Re: de Negoce offer

MatthewT wrote:
September 2nd, 2020, 10:40 am
Maybe we should be sucking up to Bert?
Behind every great marketing/sales person there's an operator who actually does the work and can make your life easier or harder. I think this is a good strategy. [snort.gif]
by Troy Stark
September 2nd, 2020, 9:32 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

Re: de Negoce offer

Only COLAs so far are from CA.
by Troy Stark
September 2nd, 2020, 8:19 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

Re: de Negoce offer

If what people took from my story was that I was suggesting MatthewT get therapy, then I owe everyone, especially Matthew T, an apology. That was not the intent of the story. What I was trying to say, apparently unsuccessfully, is that if someone finds themselves at the center of drama or arguments,...
by Troy Stark
September 2nd, 2020, 5:53 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

Re: de Negoce offer

Most of these napa producers don't really make a second wine, so I don't see why the producer would ferment and barrel grapes with the intention of being subpar to the rest of the production. Rather, I would think those grapes would have been sold off instead of going through all the extra work to ...
by Troy Stark
September 1st, 2020, 3:34 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

Re: de Negoce offer

That's right. And if it has a different oak treatment specified that's a good hint it's not the same as the bottling blend.
by Troy Stark
September 1st, 2020, 7:33 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

Re: de Negoce offer

Michael, I just don’t know enough and was hoping someone would ask the question. Does the final blended wine see barrel again? I assume not, that’s why i think most of them are not the same wine. Of course, if barrel doesn’t really mean barrel that’s a different story. After blending, the wine is a...
by Troy Stark
September 1st, 2020, 6:52 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

Re: de Negoce offer

Michael, I just don’t know enough and was hoping someone would ask the question. Does the final blended wine see barrel again? I assume not, that’s why i think most of them are not the same wine. Of course, if barrel doesn’t really mean barrel that’s a different story. After blending, the wine is a...
by Troy Stark
September 1st, 2020, 6:29 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

Re: de Negoce offer

Constant ages their wine in barrel for 24 months. Just because they haven't released the 2017 bottling doesn't mean that it's still sitting in a barrel somewhere. Agreed and, in fact, it's highly unlikely that 2017 is still in barrel. There's a point of very heavy diminishing returns when it comes ...
by Troy Stark
August 31st, 2020, 8:28 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

Re: de Negoce offer

I'll be letting mine sit for at least 6 months post-delivery, at which point I'll sample a bottle to see how they're doing.
by Troy Stark
August 31st, 2020, 6:37 am
Forum: Wine 101: The Basics
Topic: Wine Refrigerators
Replies: 162
Views: 31401

Re: Wine Refrigerators

Okay wife has finally given me the okay for a larger wine fridge than what we currently have. Her only condition is it has to be stainless steel. Any recommendations? Evan - we have an Avallon 27 bottle in our kitchen that is Stainless Steel and we absolutely love. Build quality is fantastic. I'd c...
by Troy Stark
August 31st, 2020, 5:16 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

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People simply don't like someone being passionate about a project they think is bullshit . That's it. And they think they need to teach me a lesson I guess? But please let's be a little more dramatic about how I've chased you out of the thread somehow? For what? Pushing back after multiple times yo...
by Troy Stark
August 31st, 2020, 5:01 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

Re: de Negoce offer

In for a case. Wasn’t aware of the synthetic cork issue. This certainly make the wines a bit less attractive to me now as it reduces a lot of their ageing ability. It’s unfortunate that the corks are synthetic, but I understand that that’s also one of the factors that drives down the cost of Cam’s ...
by Troy Stark
August 31st, 2020, 4:59 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

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Rich Brown wrote:
August 30th, 2020, 7:18 pm
Cheers man – here’s to hoping that no other haters pop in with a unique viewpoint that sets you off!
What kind of odds can I get on this one for the betting pool that's being established? [snort.gif]
by Troy Stark
August 26th, 2020, 10:24 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days
Replies: 1801
Views: 113058

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Email and website. Link says 88 in stock but the buy button reads Sold out; https://www.envoyerfinewines.com/produc ... 390124eaed

Might want to email Greg.
by Troy Stark
August 26th, 2020, 7:43 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

Re: de Negoce offer

I know it's all tongue in cheek, but if anyone thinks what's happened in this thread is more than a rounding error in Cam's sales strategy/buyer pool, they're kidding themselves. :D
by Troy Stark
August 25th, 2020, 9:47 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Envoyer Thread #2: Everything else
Replies: 1482
Views: 90125

Re: Envoyer Thread #2: Everything else

Gotcha!
by Troy Stark
August 25th, 2020, 7:52 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Envoyer Thread #2: Everything else
Replies: 1482
Views: 90125

Re: Envoyer Thread #2: Everything else

It's a magnum, so $150. Doesn't seem terrible does it?
by Troy Stark
August 25th, 2020, 7:06 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

Re: de Negoce offer

Sean S y d n e y wrote:
August 24th, 2020, 4:10 pm
MatthewT wrote:
August 24th, 2020, 3:51 pm

hmmmmm that...is not a good analogy

but C+ for trying? i lol'd.
These are my bulk jokes I'm getting rid of for cheap. [cheers.gif]
BWAHAHAHA Even better! [rofl.gif]
by Troy Stark
August 22nd, 2020, 12:03 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days
Replies: 1801
Views: 113058

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

If you missed out on the Jose Michel Rose half bottles last time, I would highly recommend not doing so again. We bought last time and they are excellent.
by Troy Stark
August 21st, 2020, 2:46 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

Re: de Negoce offer

Was in a meeting and missed out on 42! Irony; the class was a Friday afternoon virtual happy hour where I was teaching my co-workers about "wines of the world..."
by Troy Stark
August 21st, 2020, 7:21 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

Re: de Negoce offer

That's great for you. I think CH probably has you beat, but that doesn't really matter. It's not a contest. Why do you care what CH does? Like I said, strange criticism.
by Troy Stark
August 21st, 2020, 7:01 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

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Well, I never said he was the most well known wine blogger in the world, just that he is well known. I knew him immediately when people first started posting his CT reviews. How many wine blogs do you think there are out there on the internet? 10s of thousands I would guess and this guy is in at lea...
by Troy Stark
August 21st, 2020, 6:52 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

Re: de Negoce offer

Michael - not sure why you've never heard of him, but I have and I'm sure many other people have as well. #63 on this list of top 100 wine blogs; https://blog.feedspot.com/wine_blogs/
by Troy Stark
August 21st, 2020, 5:47 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

Re: de Negoce offer

It’s the same guy? As a avid cyclist, I remember him now. Seems like a stretch for CH to use his review though. Plus, 91 is the new 86. Amirite? Yeah, you're thinking of the Drunk, not Drunken, Cyclist. But why not let the SF Chron get first crack at a review? Drunken Cyclist is a pretty well known...
by Troy Stark
August 20th, 2020, 12:04 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: de Negoce offer
Replies: 4119
Views: 235569

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Lots of producers with $150+ bottles in Diamond Mt District. I think Diamond Creek goes for more than $150 (on the open market anyway). Not sure what the list members get it for. Also, interestingly, Diamond Creek wines are appellated "Napa Valley," though their labels do say "grown, produced and bo...

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