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by Fred C
June 15th, 2020, 1:37 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: White burgs TNs
Replies: 14
Views: 653

Re: White burgs TNs

I brought the Lamy and my friend brought the Moreau. Lamy was brought in retail and stored in my wine fridge for years. I don't know about the storage for Moreau, but let's not pretend there is no premox. I’m not saying there is no such thing as premox. I’m probably the guy that overcalls it at ass...
by Fred C
June 15th, 2020, 12:09 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: White burgs TNs
Replies: 14
Views: 653

Re: White burgs TNs

Poor storage or heat damage during shipping? I have opened about 6 bottles of the 13 Moreau Maltroie in the last 2 months (offered 12-14 at a great price) and not a hint of premox in any of them. Powerful and acidity on par with the 14 (less refined). Much more than the 12. Bright light straw color...
by Fred C
June 15th, 2020, 10:43 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: White burgs TNs
Replies: 14
Views: 653

Re: White burgs TNs

Poor storage or heat damage during shipping? I have opened about 6 bottles of the 13 Moreau Maltroie in the last 2 months (offered 12-14 at a great price) and not a hint of premox in any of them. Powerful and acidity on par with the 14 (less refined). Much more than the 12. Bright light straw color....
by Fred C
June 14th, 2020, 10:45 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Keller Silliness
Replies: 146
Views: 5827

Re: Keller Silliness

It does seem odd that people think a $200 Coche Dury Village Meursault is good value but a Keller Riesling somehow cannot be good value at that price. $200 Coche Dury Village Meursault would be considered a STEAL in this part of the world! And those coche wines just taste like a huge dose of sulfur...
by Fred C
June 14th, 2020, 5:51 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Keller Silliness
Replies: 146
Views: 5827

Re: Keller Silliness

Rauno E (NZ) wrote:
June 13th, 2020, 11:13 pm
It does seem odd that people think a $200 Coche Dury Village Meursault is good value but a Keller Riesling somehow cannot be good value at that price.
$200 Coche Dury Village Meursault would be considered a STEAL in this part of the world!
by Fred C
June 7th, 2020, 9:56 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 99 DRC Duvault-Blochet 1er cru
Replies: 13
Views: 980

Re: TN: 99 DRC Duvault-Blochet 1er cru

Looking forward to your thesis on the entire 99 lineup!
by Fred C
June 2nd, 2020, 12:33 pm
Forum: Commerce Corner - Wine Classifieds
Topic: LTB: Bernard Moreau, Keller
Replies: 5
Views: 930

Re: LTB: Bernard Moreau, Keller

Mike C. wrote:
May 9th, 2020, 6:29 pm
Would appreciate any offers or other leads on Bernard Moreau 1er Crus and Keller (GGs primarily but open to kabis and spatlese/auslese/TBAs) at reasonable prices.
Benchmark

https://www.benchmarkwine.com/
by Fred C
June 2nd, 2020, 12:24 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Bernard Boisson-Vadot
Replies: 14
Views: 1199

Re: Bernard Boisson-Vadot

Robert Grenley wrote:
June 2nd, 2020, 12:18 pm

I wonder whether the incidence of premox will increase with B-V, and with Coche, for that matter, if their reductive style has changed.
+1.
by Fred C
June 2nd, 2020, 11:00 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Most beautiful wine labels?
Replies: 130
Views: 5466

Re: Most beautiful wine labels?

Another vote for Rousseau Chambertin. Gaudy? Yes. Beautiful? Yes. One of the few things that can be both.

And in the same vein:
by Fred C
June 1st, 2020, 4:47 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: Bernard Moreau La Maltroie 2009–Moreau less just great
Replies: 10
Views: 373

Re: TN: Bernard Moreau La Maltroie 2009–Moreau less just great

The impressive part is how well they do in this vintage. The 11 Chev was my number 1 wine at the tasting but the 13 Chassagne-Montrachet is what made me a believer. Good from the bottom up and in tough vintages. Almost like a cross between Ramonet and PYCM. Fine balance but plenty of power and length.
by Fred C
May 23rd, 2020, 3:56 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2000 Vincent Dauvissat (René & Vincent) Chablis 1er Cru Séchet
Replies: 15
Views: 687

Re: TN: 2000 Vincent Dauvissat (René & Vincent) Chablis 1er Cru Séchet

What are the differences/similarities between Dauvissat Sechet and Forest? They are not actually that far away! Séchet is one of the cooler climats within Vaillons - south-easterly exposed and higher up the slope, and at the bottom of the valley which is less of a heat trap. So I'd say that if the ...
by Fred C
May 23rd, 2020, 2:18 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2000 Vincent Dauvissat (René & Vincent) Chablis 1er Cru Séchet
Replies: 15
Views: 687

Re: TN: 2000 Vincent Dauvissat (René & Vincent) Chablis 1er Cru Séchet

What are the differences/similarities between Dauvissat Sechet and Forest?
by Fred C
May 19th, 2020, 4:56 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2005 Bachelet Gevrey-Chambertin VV
Replies: 12
Views: 705

Re: TN: 2005 Bachelet Gevrey-Chambertin VV

Have not touched my '05 VVs. Funny story - I was in Beaune once around 2009 or 2010, solo, and tasted with Denis Bachelet. The 2005 Cote de Nuits was one we tasted and it was actually showing youthfully, but well. I went to L'Hotel de Beaune for dinner alone that night, saw the same wine on the lis...
by Fred C
May 18th, 2020, 11:10 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Underrated burgundy vintages
Replies: 101
Views: 5238

Re: Underrated burgundy vintages

My latest red burg vintage rankings based on recent drinking, with approximate stratification within tiers: I didn’t include 18 because I haven’t really had any yet. Note that the last 3 releases have all been within the top 7 vintages, it’s been a good run. Top tier: 2010 (best current and long te...
by Fred C
May 17th, 2020, 5:11 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Underrated burgundy vintages
Replies: 101
Views: 5238

Re: Underrated burgundy vintages

I’m still relatively a newbie as compared to many of the Burgophiles on this board, but 96 reds have been relatively well priced and there has been a good amount on the market over the past decade. Been fortunate enough to get a good amount of these. Still quite in its youth. Part of the reason for...
by Fred C
May 17th, 2020, 6:19 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Critical of the Critics - 2004 & 2011 Red Burgundy
Replies: 259
Views: 13230

Re: Critical of the Critics - 2004 & 2011 Red Burgundy

like TCA, everyone has different levels of tolerance/sensitivity, so if one finds the wines enjoyable, that's great as the wines are relatively well-priced compared to other recent vintages. This is why I try to avoid the topic. BTW, the 11s are a lot better than the 04s. The 04 like note was prett...
by Fred C
May 4th, 2020, 4:37 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2007 Domaine Dujac Clos St. Denis
Replies: 7
Views: 524

Re: TN: 2007 Domaine Dujac Clos St. Denis

Love those 07 Dujacs. We usually pop and pour and follow them over 3 hours. They have been pretty open since release. Last taste was in 2018. Maybe they are closing down a bit?
by Fred C
April 28th, 2020, 1:03 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: How good is Chevillon?
Replies: 92
Views: 4935

Re: How good is Chevillon?

PSA: a bunch of 2018 Chevillon on KL.
by Fred C
April 27th, 2020, 6:08 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: How good is Chevillon?
Replies: 92
Views: 4935

Re: How good is Chevillon?

Jonathan Favre wrote:
April 27th, 2020, 5:49 pm
Nick Gangas wrote:
April 27th, 2020, 5:23 pm
I have some 99 LSG Jon. Next time we meet.
The '99s have got to be great!
Tried some about 5 years ago and they were closed down hard. Have not revisited any since.
by Fred C
April 20th, 2020, 10:21 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Which Red Burgundy would you buy under $400 to drink now?
Replies: 44
Views: 2635

Re: Which Red Burgundy would you buy under $400 to drink now?

After looking on WSPro, the aged Rossignol Trapet Chambertin thing doesn't look like it's happening. In his price range and actually in stock anywhere, you'd have to go to the 2011, $259 at Sherry Lehman: https://www.sherry-lehmann.com/domaine-rossignol-trapet-le-chambertin-grand-cru-2011.html One ...
by Fred C
April 19th, 2020, 7:19 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Which Red Burgundy would you buy under $400 to drink now?
Replies: 44
Views: 2635

Re: Which Red Burgundy would you buy under $400 to drink now?

You should be able to do well around $2-250.

Hubert Lignier or Dujac village or 1er from 02 or older (recently grabbed 1990 Hubert Lignier MSD 1er vv for $275).

Also Jadot CSJ or Beze from 02 or older. Also recently grabbed some 2000 Beze and 01 CSJ for $115-189.
by Fred C
April 19th, 2020, 7:07 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Bern's as solo diner [with update]
Replies: 104
Views: 10539

Re: Bern's as solo diner [with update]

c fu wrote:
April 19th, 2020, 4:49 pm
Nick Gangas wrote:
April 19th, 2020, 12:59 pm
c fu wrote:
April 18th, 2020, 8:32 pm


alfert - how many times have you been told not to talk about what you drank at berns [snort.gif] [snort.gif] [snort.gif]
Eh. My guy shrugs at that.
For Jorge's bachelor party we got the royal lecture about it. (Alfert was there)
Maybe to remind Fu after the last incident? ;)
by Fred C
April 18th, 2020, 12:06 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Very Disappointing Showings of Raveneau and Ramonet
Replies: 60
Views: 2219

Re: Very Disappointing Showings of Raveneau and Ramonet

Sarah Kirschbaum wrote:
April 18th, 2020, 11:48 am

We'll see how the Ramonet shows tonight. Sadly, I don't have any 2014 Raveneau chablis village. But I have many other good options, never fear.
Looking forward to the followup(s) and tonight’s pairing!

I vote keep opening until something wows as it should.
by Fred C
April 18th, 2020, 11:30 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Very Disappointing Showings of Raveneau and Ramonet
Replies: 60
Views: 2219

Re: Very Disappointing Showings of Raveneau and Ramonet

Blame it on the decant? Same decanter?

When wines don’t show as they should, I end up blaming the decanting process. Easy target. Otherwise I blame it on root day.

The 2014 Raveneau Chablis village is currently drinking well if the 14 Ramonet fails to please today.

Also it is a flower day today.
by Fred C
April 17th, 2020, 3:30 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: HDH Burgundy Auction
Replies: 57
Views: 3703

Re: HDH Burgundy Auction

The good news is I don’t have to worry about arranging for a 3rd party shipper.
by Fred C
April 16th, 2020, 3:53 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: Armand Rousseau, Chambertin and Clos de Beze dinner
Replies: 10
Views: 921

Re: TN: Armand Rousseau, Chambertin and Clos de Beze dinner

Rousseau is the best *red* producer in the world. D'Auvenay blancs have my vote for best in the world. And I say this as a rabid Rousseau fan. One could argue Madame Leroy is the best that there ever was since she is the only producer where both red and white are top tier. But back to Rousseau. The...
by Fred C
April 15th, 2020, 6:44 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Unique wine cellar
Replies: 16
Views: 1413

Re: Unique wine cellar

alan weinberg wrote:
April 15th, 2020, 6:12 pm
interesting that the claim is made that the built in thermometer ensures that the wine stays fresh. Foolish me, always thought it was the cooling unit, not the thermometer, that did that.
Tell your wife you found a better wine cellar idea and ask if you can redo yours!
by Fred C
March 29th, 2020, 5:33 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2007 Leflaive Chevalier
Replies: 28
Views: 1351

Re: 2007 Leflaive Chevalier

Happy Birthday Jerry!

07 Leflaive Chevalier that isn’t premoxed is a rare gift indeed!
by Fred C
March 28th, 2020, 3:57 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Time to treat ourselves. Open a precious bottle
Replies: 160
Views: 11088

Re: Time to treat ourselves. Open a precious bottle

Roast capon and 2017 Ramonet Chassagne-Montrachet. These 2017s are delicious. Like 2014, haven’t had a bad one yet. Maybe not as perfect as the 2014 but I also can’t find any faults or over ripe notes.
by Fred C
March 24th, 2020, 4:49 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2011 Vintage Assessment Dinners – Night Three “Mostly Montrachet” – March 27, 2019 at Spago
Replies: 44
Views: 2554

Re: 2011 Vintage Assessment Dinners – Night Three “Mostly Montrachet” – March 27, 2019 at Spago

I'm in agreement Jeremy, in 2015 I concentrated buying to producers that I trust including PYCM, whereas in 2014 I bought liberally from a larger cross section. Pierre-Yves does really well in riper vintages and I've found his 2015s to be special. Need to start cracking a few, as it's been almost 5...
by Fred C
March 21st, 2020, 3:59 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Time to treat ourselves. Open a precious bottle
Replies: 160
Views: 11088

Re: Time to treat ourselves. Open a precious bottle

2016 Bernard Boisson-Vadot Meursault Les Grands Charrons - France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Meursault (3/21/2020) Just as the 2013 white burgs turned the corner so may the 2016s...or it could just be the producer. Nice reduction on the nose with plenty of acid to balance out the rich fruit. Nothin...
by Fred C
March 21st, 2020, 3:57 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 1993 Faiveley Corton-Charlemagne
Replies: 8
Views: 524

Re: TN: 1993 Faiveley Corton-Charlemagne

Rauno E (NZ) wrote:
March 21st, 2020, 11:41 am
Fred, I concur that the 93 leflaive chevalier should be excellent. I found a couple in a Swiss shop in the late oughties that were just lovely. Drink soon and post:)!
Will do. This is one to share so as soon as this quarantine is over...

Thank you and Howard for the advice!
by Fred C
March 21st, 2020, 7:47 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 1993 Faiveley Corton-Charlemagne
Replies: 8
Views: 524

Re: TN: 1993 Faiveley Corton-Charlemagne

Thanks for the note. Curious about 93 whites as I have a 93 Leflaive Chev with decent color.
by Fred C
March 15th, 2020, 7:06 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Newsom orders all California wineries to close
Replies: 52
Views: 3167

Re: Newsom orders all California wineries to close

Seems like a very obvious for first rounds of closures. I think the tasting rooms as others have mentioned are the target here. Again, seems like a very obvious thing to start with. There will be wider closures on many more types of businesses to come. On the 65 year plus doctors, given the way thi...
by Fred C
March 15th, 2020, 6:49 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Newsom orders all California wineries to close
Replies: 52
Views: 3167

Re: Newsom orders all California wineries to close

Seems like a very obvious for first rounds of closures. I think the tasting rooms as others have mentioned are the target here. Again, seems like a very obvious thing to start with. There will be wider closures on many more types of businesses to come. On the 65 year plus doctors, given the way thi...
by Fred C
March 15th, 2020, 1:05 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wine cellar progress
Replies: 100
Views: 4909

Re: Wine cellar progress

Did she have to open one for the artist to paint accurately?
by Fred C
March 14th, 2020, 2:49 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Krug: A Grand, Grande Cuvée!
Replies: 7
Views: 1087

Re: Krug: A Grand, Grande Cuvée!

Purchased upon release 8-10 years ago. I have no idea what the base vintage was. This spoke Krug in volumes. Slight oxidation, honeyed nuttiness, great acidity, this had both maturity and youthful freshness. Makes me really anticipate the 164 eme's 10 years after. Krug grand cuvee with age (8-20+ i...
by Fred C
March 14th, 2020, 12:35 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wine cellar progress
Replies: 100
Views: 4909

Re: Wine cellar progress

Really nice Alan. Not sure my derriere would fit when trying to reach the bottom shelf in the 23inch aisle. That said I'm willing to try pulling a La Tache from the bottom shelf if willing to share said bottle. I debated having double deep wall C go all the way to A and having an empty wall where B...
by Fred C
March 12th, 2020, 5:55 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Wine cellar progress
Replies: 100
Views: 4909

Re: Wine cellar progress

Looks amazing! Where’s the space to stack boxes for overflow?
by Fred C
March 11th, 2020, 10:46 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: We Corton
Replies: 13
Views: 1290

Re: We Corton

Sounds like oui Corton!
by Fred C
March 7th, 2020, 7:07 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: #Nopaulee
Replies: 8
Views: 1161

Re: #Nopaulee

Robert Pavlovich wrote:
March 7th, 2020, 7:01 pm
Such a great burgundy staple. Also a good one to try in 08, for those who’ve never had a good 2008 red burg.
Interesting. Dujac, Rousseau, Liger Belair, and Hudelot Noellat are lovely in 08. Now 06...that’s another discussion.
by Fred C
March 7th, 2020, 4:15 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2014 François Raveneau Chablis 1er Cru Butteaux
Replies: 6
Views: 512

Re: TN: 2014 François Raveneau Chablis 1er Cru Butteaux

Similar to 14 Ramonet, 14 Raveneau is also so good! Have only had the village Chablis so far.
by Fred C
March 7th, 2020, 2:43 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: #Nopaulee
Replies: 8
Views: 1161

#Nopaulee

There is La Paulee and then there is No Paulee. For those not attending La Paulee this weekend, what are you opening? For me, a 2001 Jadot CSJ: 2001 Louis Jadot Gevrey-Chambertin 1er Cru Clos St. Jacques - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Gevrey-Chambertin 1er Cru (3/7/2020) Dark fruited with some e...
by Fred C
March 7th, 2020, 1:41 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: Another Ramonet 14
Replies: 7
Views: 580

Re: TN: Another Ramonet 14

Funny thing is 14 is cheaper than 15-17 in some instances.
by Fred C
February 28th, 2020, 3:59 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Is the Coronavirus economic impact slowing your buying?
Replies: 28
Views: 1772

Re: Is the Coronavirus economic impact slowing your buying?

Markus S wrote:
February 28th, 2020, 1:17 pm
No, why would it? If the world was ending tomorrow would you stop drinking?
Maybe not but I doubt anyone could finish their current cellar in 2 days.

I’ve held off on some purchases. If the pullback continues there will be some deals to be had.
by Fred C
February 17th, 2020, 6:26 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2011 White Burgundy Vintage Assessment Dinners – Night Two – March 14, 2019 at Drago Centro
Replies: 168
Views: 10652

Re: 2011 White Burgundy Vintage Assessment Dinners – Night Two – March 14, 2019 at Drago Centro

I cant say as I never asked the question to the domaine. I tend to believe this is original bottling. The domaine used to keep a bit in past years given low volumes. A way to smoothen the financial loss (if any) I think this may explain why you have never had an oxidized Pierre Morey. Either the la...
by Fred C
February 16th, 2020, 11:06 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2011 White Burgundy Vintage Assessment Dinners – Night Two – March 14, 2019 at Drago Centro
Replies: 168
Views: 10652

Re: 2011 White Burgundy Vintage Assessment Dinners – Night Two – March 14, 2019 at Drago Centro

Pierre Morey is releasing every year old vintages from his cellar, kept in pristine conditions. Never had an issue since I hzve started buying in 2010. Emmanuel, do you know if yours are reconditioned late releases or original bottlings? Some domaines (eg. Fabian Coche) release reconditioned old vi...
by Fred C
February 14th, 2020, 4:34 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2018 Dauvissat
Replies: 42
Views: 3542

Re: 2018 Dauvissat

One producer I have found very reliable, including in the late-90s / early-2000s "death zone", is Bernard Moreau. This domaine is the largest holding of white Burgundy in my personal cellar, so if I am wrong, I will be the first to be badly burnt. So I’m late to the Bernard Moreau party but I was s...
by Fred C
February 9th, 2020, 7:18 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2017 Dauvissat-Camus Forest
Replies: 22
Views: 1102

Re: TN: 2017 Dauvissat-Camus Forest

So good. Sold me on 17s.
by Fred C
February 2nd, 2020, 8:11 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2014 Marcel Juge, Cornas - Stream of Consciousness Thoughts
Replies: 36
Views: 1942

Re: TN: 2014 Marcel Juge, Cornas - Stream of Consciousness Thoughts

Marcus Dean wrote:
February 1st, 2020, 11:33 pm
85 was lovely but unremarkable
Agreed. Someone at the table kept trying to convince me it blew away the 07 DRC Echezeaux next to it and that’s when I knew Juge wasn’t for me. Now the 85 Verset, that’s a wow wine.

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