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I understand the hesitation to declare 2010 a great vintage, because it seems too easy. My “concern” with 2010 is only with its longevity in comparison with other vintages. I suspect it will be surpassed in 20-30 years by the other notable vintages, and some folks consider longevity to be a key fac...

I blame Marquis Phillips and TWA. Sparky had good luck making big wines at Fox Creek, then decided to turn it up to eleven at the new label. Parker dug them and others emulated them. Then came Mollydooker, which swung for a twelve. Also I think I remember that Dan Phillips' collapse adversely affect...

Thats the funny thing about Burgundy. The more you know, the less you know. You say that as it is a bad thing. This is what makes Burgundy so much fun. We choose to go to Burgundy not because it is easy but because it is hard. I did not write clearly enough then. We are in complete agreement.

Variations over the same theme, Brady. In fact, I have a difficult time choosing one vintage over another. I might as well have chosen 1982 or 1990. But yesterday I felt 1996ish [cheers.gif] I was mostly teasing, but didn’t want to use the neener symbol. Thanks for not being offended. [cheers.gif]

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote: ↑January 20th, 2021, 4:43 am In many cases I may prefer the 09 now but it may not age as well.

Above, I took the opposite position, believing that '09 will long outlive '10. I suspect the wines will find a way to prove us both wrong. Thats the funny thing about Burgundy. The more you know, the less you know.

I am picking 2010. Makes it easier that 1999 is not eligible. Again, 2000 for this purpose is in the 21st Century so we have 20 years. As someone who knows very little about Burgundy, what would be a good 1999 for ≈$500? (Or does that not exist anymore) That’s my sister’s birth year and if it’s a f...

Jasper Morris recently did an hour long video on this topic. Howard's views seem to mostly align with his:

1982- spectacular wines from both banks. 1985- glorious wines from both banks. 1986- glorious, but still quite tannic wines from both banks. 1989- haven´t tasted enough of them to compare the general quality. 1990- glorious wines from both banks. 1996- the left bankers I have tasted have practicall...

I'd say the only rule there that probably shouldn't be broken is putting ice in wine. Unless you have a 16% ABV, high extract wine that could stand to be watered back a bit, I don't like the idea at all. I have a couple of standard cooling approaches when I'm decanting a red wine. If the wine is to...

I suspect this wine had plenty of bite in its youth. What you describe sounds right for an aging wine.

I’d love if you could try a 2017 of the same to compare, and report back to us.

Aging generally takes the edge off of wines. It’s okay if you don’t like that and don’t prefer older wine!

Gotta say, as much as I like 2010 I’m kind of shocked at the consensus. There have just been so many good vintages in the new millennium. I agree that there have been many excellent vintages, but 2010 is unique in having enough acid for the traditionalists, enough fruit for all, being an upside sur...

I would vote 1998 right bank, given the option.

I should put whoever voted for 2004 on ignore as I would have a hard time following any of their advice with respect to any wine. The 04 and 11 choices really threw me. Also not a single vote for 02 yet which I would put higher than a lot of choices made so far. I think 09/10 but hard to say what w...

I’m not convinced all or even most of these are real rules, but I’ve broken every one with pleasure. My personal favorite is adding ice to a too warm red wine.

https://www.mashed.com/97943/wine-rules-break/

What’s drinking well now?

Have 2000 and 2005 (my last Bordeaux EP vintage) lived up to their initial hype?

For consumption over the next ten to fifteen years, 2010. After that, 2005, 2009, and 2015 may eclipse it. I suspect in thirty years they will be superior. Who knows?

But I’m already loving 2010, and expect to continue for a long time.

I think it’s worth noting that burgundy doesn’t really age in a linear fashion and the wines tend to open and close and get better and worse multiple times from youth to maturity, so just waiting doesn’t necessarily mean you are going to catch it at the right point. I've heard this before, but seem...

Has there been a significant style change since the retirement of Jacques Lardière?

Are they still built for age over early consumption?

Older Rhys bottles are super easy to this with. Tiny fonts for my ageing eyes.

59 degrees, HN AC Chambolle, 14-16 vintages; just a rough sweet spot Brian, as with many burgs, I’d recommend drinking these in the first two to three years, or waiting at least ten years, preferably fifteen. HN's current style is very rewarding in its youth. The time in between age two and fifteen...

I don’t have much experience with Felettig. Where would you put them on the Chambolle spectrum, from light/pretty to dark/concentrated?

It’s nice to see a good note for 2013, a vintage that is worrying me right now. Hopefully it’s just in an awkward spot.

Thanks Andrew, We recently drank my fourth 1967 PdB normale. Left it upright for four months. Decanted super-slow, leaving maybe 1/8th bottle. It definitely had more sediment than yours. The wine was fully mature, identical in color to yours. It was absolutely stunning, far more vibrant than any 53 ...

I love Burgundy. I worry when Burgundy tasting notes start to sound like California Pinot notes. “EVERY dial seems to have been turned up” makes me nervous. Yes, I read the whole thing, and I know the critics say the terroir differences are still there. But other places have terroir too and marginal...

Why do the Vogüé bottlings come in so much cheaper? Is it the perception that the wines have not been living up to the terroir, or is it in fact a disadvantage to own 80% of the vineyard? DRC owns some very large parcels, and even some monopoles, and their prices aren’t suffering. I think that hint...

Interesting! I’ve always heard Faiveley Musigny was usually very good, but wildly inconsistent, largely due to the fact that its tiny quantity means its wood to liquid ratio is very high, and it was all from one tiny parcel, so no lots could be rejected. I’ve never had it, and have no opinion, it’s ...

Dav1d S@wyer wrote: ↑November 7th, 2020, 7:24 pm Nice. I think this was the first SQN I ever tried.

Me too. I thought it was amazing and bought eight more. I think we have three left. Glad to hear they’re still drinking well!

Barthod Chambolle Veroilles was recently delicious. Really a unicorn, a Barthod that’s ready.

I really like Fourrier bourgognes. For me they perfectly capture the house style at a better price point. I haven’t tried the 2018 yet, but it sure sounds like a 2018. Welcome to the new normal. Many in burgundy consider climate change as a minor miracle for the region. They are probably right and f...

I still buy Jouan over there, Antoine.

I picked up some here at auction in the spring. Also bought some Bourgogne and village 17’s to keep my hands off the CSD's.

Miss you too, buddy. No London January en primeur tasting in the cards for me this year, sadly.

I regularly change which Jouan village wine is my favorite. Generally it’s the one in front of me. However, the 2017 Gevrey Aux Echezeaux is a triumph, and I had to double check that I hadn’t accidentally opened a Clos Sorbe. It was that good. The Morey and Chambolle are both certainly fine as well....

Steve Costigan wrote: ↑October 29th, 2020, 8:43 pm Don’t waste your time responding. Signing off WB permanently.

Promise?

My experience with this wine is that it was hit or miss on the brett. The bad ones were quite bad, the good ones, quite proper Family Farms. I never did request that refund.

Well, Brady, Amoureuses 2013 is the only Bertheau I have had (in Le Chambolle in Chambolle last year) and although it had a lot of Chambolle charm, it ended with a somewhat unpleasant bitterness. Otherwise, it was very fine and Chambolle reputation style. Pity about the Amoureuses, Antoine. One doe...

Friends, I agree that ROUMIER and MUGNIER belong at the very top. Do not forget HUDELOT-BAILLET however. Decent prices (much cheaper than the 2 superstars) and winemaker D LE GUEN is a rising star. More concentraded wines than the ones found at Berteau's and at least as fine as BARTHOD's . Deliciou...

It's really smoky today here in Portland. I've got an older house for Portland (1912), built long before Tyvek and never resealed. The whole house smells of smoke. I'm wearing a face mask in my office. Yeah, super smoky today. The wind stopped allowing the smoke to descend. We are lucky our house i...

In short, yes. You just really taste the sunshine. The 2018 vintage experienced 290 more sunlight hours (i.e. about 30% more) between May and September than the average. Plenty of producers overcame the risk of making rustic monsters, but it's much harder to overcome the sucrosity of fruit that I'd...

Glenn L e v i n e wrote: ↑September 10th, 2020, 7:00 am I’ll pull a cork or two anyone wants to visit SW OR.

This could be arranged.

Morgan and Chris recently participated in the 67 Pall Mall video series. It was a light and enjoyable video, less detailed than their vintage release podcasts. https://youtu.be/SF2gMCz-8Io Morgan and Chris, it didn’t seem you were also trying the wines at the same time? Pity! I love tasting notes. W...

HenryB wrote: ↑September 9th, 2020, 12:58 am
I'm sure long term this will be worth the money, but right now, it feels a bit of a hard pass for me.

At $1200, I’m not sure it’ll keep up with inflation.

A. So wrote: ↑September 8th, 2020, 4:37 pm 1996 all over again.

IMHO, 2008 has always been lighter bodied, redder fruited, and prettier. Still tough going if you don’t like acidity.

RyanC wrote: ↑September 6th, 2020, 5:45 pm So regardless whether they really compare with 09s/10s etc (they probably don’t), the value was phenomenal.

Honestly, the difference between ‘08 values to 18-20 high priced, new-era burgs leaves me confused and a bit sad. The new-era ripe wines might bother me even more than the prices.

My most recent vintage is 98. I sadly drank the younger ones.

The sisters have been on a tear, and are legitimately seen as a top-tier producer.

The one 08 disappointment for me in 08 continues to be Fourrier - just a really weird vintage for Jean Marie. Post 05 it's the one Fourrier vintage I don't like. I’m more concerned with Fourrier's 11’s. They seem to be aging very fast. Taste is good, but the colors are already quite brown. Overall ...

I haven’t relied on a reviewer since Parker told me 2007 Rhones were the best vintage ever from anywhere. That said, I’m becoming a bit of a William Kelley fanboy. Hope he sticks around. I also like John Gilman and Jasper Morris's contributions to my favorite region. I mostly trust my palate at this...

Outside of DRC, it seems most good Cortons are priced about the same as good 1er crus. Seems about right to me.

As part of his 67 Pall Mall series, Jasper Morris recently did a video on just this subject, which terroirs and makers to look for in Corton. Highly recommended.

https://www.67pallmall.com/virtual-events/

Better luck with the next bottle!

I think Lafarge is approachable faster than d’Angerville or de Montille, but still best drunk young or older, not in between.

I’d have bet the ‘07 would be ready, honestly.

We’ve drunk many excellent wines in the During. Certainly at a higher frequency than the Before. Tops was a recent 2009 Jouan Clos St Denis that has finally begun showing tertiary notes. Much better than the 2005. Jouans are not the screaming value they used to be (this bottle was 40 euros), but I s...

Drouhin Pouilly-Vinzelles and Bedrock Ode to LuLu, judging by the multiple cases of both we crushed this summer.

This whole conversation is throwing me a bit. NSG is the least uniform of any red appellation in the Côte d’Or. One should have completely different expectations from a vineyard in the north part near Vosne, versus thoe in the heart of NSG just south of the town, versus the flatter southern bit. The...

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