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It's really smoky today here in Portland. I've got an older house for Portland (1912), built long before Tyvek and never resealed. The whole house smells of smoke. I'm wearing a face mask in my office. Yeah, super smoky today. The wind stopped allowing the smoke to descend. We are lucky our house i...

In short, yes. You just really taste the sunshine. The 2018 vintage experienced 290 more sunlight hours (i.e. about 30% more) between May and September than the average. Plenty of producers overcame the risk of making rustic monsters, but it's much harder to overcome the sucrosity of fruit that I'd...

Glenn L e v i n e wrote: ↑
September 10th, 2020, 7:00 am
I’ll pull a cork or two anyone wants to visit SW OR.

This could be arranged.

Morgan and Chris recently participated in the 67 Pall Mall video series. It was a light and enjoyable video, less detailed than their vintage release podcasts. https://youtu.be/SF2gMCz-8Io Morgan and Chris, it didn’t seem you were also trying the wines at the same time? Pity! I love tasting notes. W...

HenryB wrote: ↑
September 9th, 2020, 12:58 am

I'm sure long term this will be worth the money, but right now, it feels a bit of a hard pass for me.

At $1200, I’m not sure it’ll keep up with inflation.

A. So wrote: ↑
September 8th, 2020, 4:37 pm
1996 all over again.

IMHO, 2008 has always been lighter bodied, redder fruited, and prettier. Still tough going if you don’t like acidity.

RyanC wrote: ↑
September 6th, 2020, 5:45 pm
So regardless whether they really compare with 09s/10s etc (they probably don’t), the value was phenomenal.

Honestly, the difference between ‘08 values to 18-20 high priced, new-era burgs leaves me confused and a bit sad. The new-era ripe wines might bother me even more than the prices.

My most recent vintage is 98. I sadly drank the younger ones.

The sisters have been on a tear, and are legitimately seen as a top-tier producer.

The one 08 disappointment for me in 08 continues to be Fourrier - just a really weird vintage for Jean Marie. Post 05 it's the one Fourrier vintage I don't like. I’m more concerned with Fourrier's 11’s. They seem to be aging very fast. Taste is good, but the colors are already quite brown. Overall ...

I haven’t relied on a reviewer since Parker told me 2007 Rhones were the best vintage ever from anywhere. That said, I’m becoming a bit of a William Kelley fanboy. Hope he sticks around. I also like John Gilman and Jasper Morris's contributions to my favorite region. I mostly trust my palate at this...

Outside of DRC, it seems most good Cortons are priced about the same as good 1er crus. Seems about right to me.

As part of his 67 Pall Mall series, Jasper Morris recently did a video on just this subject, which terroirs and makers to look for in Corton. Highly recommended.

https://www.67pallmall.com/virtual-events/

Better luck with the next bottle!

I think Lafarge is approachable faster than d’Angerville or de Montille, but still best drunk young or older, not in between.

I’d have bet the ‘07 would be ready, honestly.

We’ve drunk many excellent wines in the During. Certainly at a higher frequency than the Before. Tops was a recent 2009 Jouan Clos St Denis that has finally begun showing tertiary notes. Much better than the 2005. Jouans are not the screaming value they used to be (this bottle was 40 euros), but I s...

Drouhin Pouilly-Vinzelles and Bedrock Ode to LuLu, judging by the multiple cases of both we crushed this summer.

This whole conversation is throwing me a bit. NSG is the least uniform of any red appellation in the Côte d’Or. One should have completely different expectations from a vineyard in the north part near Vosne, versus thoe in the heart of NSG just south of the town, versus the flatter southern bit. The...

Great stuff. Thanks, William.

Though I still suspect pick date matters, maybe it matters less than I thought, especially with good producers.

I think buying 6-12 bottles of wine you love to age for decades is a great idea. But it requires: 1) temperature controlled storage space for 1000 bottles plus 2) sufficient funds to support this habit 3) sufficient experience to feel comfortable predicting you’ll like the wine in 10-30 years. When ...

I drank a pinot from another region. Oh no, not the same. Syrupy, no damp forest floor. Alas, oh woe is me. I am smitten, I am bitten. I am in trouble. Respected Burgundy makers were already too expensive when I started. Can’t imagine catching the bug now. As others have said, good priced, yummy bu...

Brian S t o t t e r wrote: ↑
June 24th, 2020, 6:55 pm
Ode To Lulu Rose (19 bottles)

We’ve enjoyed that many from the current vintage.

Add up over the years and it’s scary!

Keep your tinder dry.

Help! I’m drowning in LuLu!

(So good)

Can’t delete, so umm, Happy birthday again Don!

Happy birthday Don!

You are in between my wife and me. Last weekend, for my birthday we opened a 2013 Jouan Clos Sorbe that was fantastic. My wife has tentative selected an SQN Raven.

Birthday rules: open whatever you want to!

Kevin Porter wrote: ↑
May 29th, 2020, 4:25 pm
“Missing, presumed drunk “

Soooo many of these.

Thanks William. A very interesting topic!

I love that you post so much here, in addition to whatever is behind the walled-garden. The enthusiasm you show here has to have a positive effect on subscriptions, even if that isn’t your goal.

billnanson wrote: ↑
May 21st, 2020, 12:23 am
Philippe had many successes in 2003 - he was well above the average...
It's still a bit of a baby, Brady, but the 99 GE is still singing...

Thanks, Bill. Tempting...

Great note. I still have a few 99’s left, but none so far have matched your experience. I’ll wait a few more years.

A Songeur wrote: ↑
May 20th, 2020, 12:25 pm
LOts of people already drinking 2017!... Is that right? Should I try?

You bet, buddy! Delicious young. I think it’ll age fine, too.

2017 Fourrier rouge 2017 Jouan rouge how'd you like the Jouan? Not who you asked, but I had it recently and it was delightful -- I posted a note on here a bit ago. I like the 17 Jouan more than the 16 Jouan, but less than the 17 Fourrier. I think it's a pretty good bourgogne that doesn’t hold a can...

2017 Fourrier rouge
2017 Jouan rouge

I posted the following excerpt to another thread, but it seems more appropriate here: I am nervous about 2011. Multiple examples from a few producers have come across as prematurely aged. They seem older than any other 21st century burgs, though I don’t have recent experience with ‘01, ‘03, or ‘04. ...

Friends, Underrateed: -Nuits : Daniel Bocquenet : i reported on him in another thread but got no reaction. Unfortunately he retired after the 2016 vintage but he used to make brilliant ECHEZEAUX and a villlage Nuits Saint Julien that was on par with most premier crus vintage after vintage. He was o...

Henri Jouan makes fantastic wines across the board and doesn’t seem to get much recognition. Gevrey Echezeaux, Chambolle AOC, Clos Sorbe and Clos Clos St Denis are all cellar worthy imo. Considering their tiny 3ha production, I think Jouan gets disproportionate coverage here. I just shut up and buy...

I guess Bachelet and Barthod have similar aging profiles. Great for our kids.

I am nervous about 2011. Multiple examples from a few producers have come across as prematurely aged. They seem older than any other 21st century burgs, though I don’t have recent experience with ‘01, ‘03, or ‘04. The two Fourrier PC’s we had were full of tertiary notes, and seemed fully mature. To ...

March 2015, no joy.

Everywhere the pattern seems to be that the kids make sloppier jammier sluttier [and likely vastly less ageworthy] wines than did their parents. not so sure of that. I think Erwan’s wines at Faiveley are far better and still ageworthy. Silky and less tannic but great depth and balance. I’m sure the...

(Cross-posted from UK Wine Pages) Stas, I read your report. I'm fine with identifying preferences, and making favorite lists is a pastime in many hobbies. But as a statistician, my problem is with your numbers. To put it simply, wine scores are garbage. And if you are basing your ratings on these sc...

Thank you Antoine and Jacob. Very good stuff.

Also welcome to the board, Jacob! I look forward to further contributions.

Scores mean nothing. Especially in Burgundy.

This region rejected Robert Parker, and his points system. Hell, they even sued him.

If you want points, you’ll do far better elsewhere. It’s just not what makes Burgundy interesting.

I love her wines, but haven’t found them at a reasonable price, outside of Beaune.

I just like the motivation for the thread!

Is it archived?

Thanks, Greg. No credit card required.

How long did it take before you received the confirmation email?

We’re drinking good stuff now.

We have more good stuff for later, but hell, smoke 'em if you got 'em.

I’ve just brought home aged bottles from Mugnier, Fourrier, Clos Saint Jean, SQN, and more from the off-site cellar. We bought these wines to drink, and the next few weeks look ideal.

Cheers to you all!

I got my best wine deals during the financial crisis in 2009-2010. Inertia is a bitch.

Honestly, I hope there are no great wine deals coming. That would probably require serious economic stress.

Just did a tasting of 8 pinots. 4 burgs and 4 Ca. All were 2015 that was supposed to be a good year for burgundy. The burgs were all premier cru and all rated 92-95 from WA or BH. They also cost on average twice the CA. I alternated odd and even. All were blind. Out of 18 people only two liked the ...

I think Rich's post is having the opposite of its intended effect. Oops.

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