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by Marcus Goodfellow
October 16th, 2019, 4:52 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What's the best Pinot Grigio?
Replies: 66
Views: 1179

Re: What's the best Pinot Grigio?

One more option, surprised I haven't seen it posted here yet. Calling Marcus, How quick can you send Jay a case of your Goodfellow Family Cellars Pinot Gris Reserve Clover? One of the best Pinot Gris I've tasted and at around $20, it feels like stealing. You'll be happy, your guests will be happy, ...
by Marcus Goodfellow
October 16th, 2019, 4:49 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What's the best Pinot Grigio?
Replies: 66
Views: 1179

Re: What's the best Pinot Grigio?

What's the best 3-ring binder? What's the best Applebees? What's the best traffic cone? What's the best canned peas? These burning questions somehow tower over "What's the best Pinot Gris?" Whatever one isn't in your glass. Lol... I’ve got two good ones out right now that you would probably like, e...
by Marcus Goodfellow
October 4th, 2019, 9:09 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: “Bigger, Bolder” Oregon Pinots
Replies: 24
Views: 1867

Re: “Bigger, Bolder” Oregon Pinots

Antica Terra is an excellent call. Robust style but very, very good wines.

Also Angela Estate.
by Marcus Goodfellow
October 3rd, 2019, 11:17 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Thomas Pinot 2007 Bottle Variation
Replies: 11
Views: 698

Re: Thomas Pinot 2007 Bottle Variation

Other than the Anti flavor Group, a large percentage of wine drinkers didn’t like the 07 Oregon vintage to begin with. It was always a drink young vintage. The few 07s I purchased are mostly long gone. The bottle variations in 07s, in general, I believe are due to having just held them to long and ...
by Marcus Goodfellow
October 3rd, 2019, 11:10 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Thomas Pinot 2007 Bottle Variation
Replies: 11
Views: 698

Re: Thomas Pinot 2007 Bottle Variation

Gordon is not too off mark. I think half the wines were awful. Those who did well, did well. But for many it was the first tough vintage they saw here in Oregon. Much like 2019... 2019...a good vintage to do well in. Just can’t sit around waiting for sugars in 2019, flavors were great before the de...
by Marcus Goodfellow
September 25th, 2019, 9:33 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Would You Drink a Nazi Wine??
Replies: 149
Views: 6324

Re: Would You Drink a Nazi Wine??

This thread has gone so wrong regarding R.E.Lee It's just so easy to judge the past when you're not living it. I find based on past experience that most people that "judge" the behavior of the past don't really know much of the actual history of the time... As one of the few blacks on this board, m...
by Marcus Goodfellow
September 25th, 2019, 3:56 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Would You Drink a Nazi Wine??
Replies: 149
Views: 6324

Re: Would You Drink a Nazi Wine??

The Robert E Lee stuff...what are they commemorating? Second place in the Civil War? By all accounts, he was a gentleman, but he led an army against my country and killed American soldiers, should I put up memorials to Isaac Brock, as well? It's a little more complicated. The Iron Chancellor, Otto ...
by Marcus Goodfellow
September 25th, 2019, 3:43 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Would You Drink a Nazi Wine??
Replies: 149
Views: 6324

Re: Would You Drink a Nazi Wine??

My grandparents were survivors of the Holocaust; their children, spouses, siblings and parents were not. Growing up, I was told by family members and teachers to boycott German products. Following the Holocaust, Germany paid reparations to survivors and today, Germany is a friend of Israel and seem...
by Marcus Goodfellow
September 24th, 2019, 9:24 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Grape Variety and Aging
Replies: 27
Views: 947

Re: Grape Varietal and Aging

Doug Schulman wrote:
September 24th, 2019, 11:37 am
Producer, producer, producer. Then other factors.
+1

Absolutely on the money.
by Marcus Goodfellow
September 24th, 2019, 9:21 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Caol Ila 18
Replies: 11
Views: 821

Re: Caol Ila 18

dcornutt wrote:
September 21st, 2019, 4:24 pm
This is good stuff. Isla malt. I love it.
+1
by Marcus Goodfellow
September 24th, 2019, 2:14 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Anyone know which winery uses NEWBERG STORAGE & SHIPPING Tualatin, OR,
Replies: 14
Views: 910

Re: Anyone know which winery uses NEWBERG STORAGE & SHIPPING Tualatin, OR,

mattcitrang wrote:
September 24th, 2019, 4:18 am
Besides Goodfellow I had another Oregon winery ship their Pinot also. First time purchases for both, not a good way to start.
As noted above, if you have ANY issue with the wines I will replace them. Or simply take them back and refund your purchase. 100% your option.
by Marcus Goodfellow
September 24th, 2019, 1:01 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Post-IPNC Oregon Pinot Noir Blind Tasting, 2008 Vintage, 7/27/15
Replies: 140
Views: 7325

Re: Post-IPNC Oregon Pinot Noir Blind Tasting, 2008 Vintage, 7/27/15

Bob Hughes wrote:
September 21st, 2019, 8:32 am
I would be up for this as well - just checked and I have some of Marcus' wines from 2008.
Great! The decanting method will be good for these. They are “showing” well but usually best after several hours of being open.
by Marcus Goodfellow
September 23rd, 2019, 8:37 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Anyone know which winery uses NEWBERG STORAGE & SHIPPING Tualatin, OR,
Replies: 14
Views: 910

Re: Anyone know which winery uses NEWBERG STORAGE & SHIPPING Tualatin, OR,

Josh, So sorry for the hassle. Normally Newberg Mail Room is very conservative with shipments. I’m not sure why they chose this week to ship, but we’ve asked them to make sure nothing else ships until temperatures are fully appropriate for shipping. We normally hold shipments until they are ready to...
by Marcus Goodfellow
September 23rd, 2019, 8:16 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 24 Hours In Oregon Wine Country
Replies: 36
Views: 1811

Re: 24 Hours In Oregon Wine Country

Rick Allen wrote:
September 22nd, 2019, 10:14 pm
Stop by for a beer. I'm three blocks from Goodfellow.
I’ll walk him over myself.
by Marcus Goodfellow
September 6th, 2019, 9:38 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Goodfellow 2017 Single Vineyard Release - Live
Replies: 23
Views: 1442

Re: Goodfellow 2017 Single Vineyard Release - Live

Like Jason inquiry in for 3 cases! And maybe a couple extras - so excited for these [cheers.gif] May have blown ordering for BD11 or maybe a chance to restock. BD 11 is going to be where the wheels come off! [berserker.gif] Kidding, but I am hoping that we can work up something really fun for BD 11.
by Marcus Goodfellow
September 6th, 2019, 9:33 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: WTF is the problem with Chardonnay?
Replies: 158
Views: 7675

Re: WTF is the problem with Chardonnay?

Nope. Same thing. Mid-pallet onset of surgical bitterness, followed by a hint of new rubber pool toys. Slightly more refined than a supermarket one, but basically the same as a $10 Chard. 18 months on 78% new oak. Part of me is starting to question - is it oak in the Chard config that somehow morph...
by Marcus Goodfellow
September 6th, 2019, 12:50 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Goodfellow 2017 Single Vineyard Release - Live
Replies: 23
Views: 1442

Re: Goodfellow 2017 Single Vineyard Release - Live

Chardonnay window is wider, the wines seem to taste well through the aging process. I like the vineyard designates with 3-4 years on them as a start. But they really seem to keep on improving for 7-10. Thanks again for all of the love and posts. We woork hard and have a lot of fun producing these wi...
by Marcus Goodfellow
September 6th, 2019, 12:46 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Goodfellow 2017 Single Vineyard Release - Live
Replies: 23
Views: 1442

Re: Goodfellow 2017 Single Vineyard Release - Live

Oh my! 11 wines and the descriptions/food pairing recommendations etc...I know I desire multiples of each and need to inquire about any possibilities of large formats Just 😮 [wow.gif] flirtysmile Large formats are possible. It’s my youngest sons birth year, so I did a range of things. These are a l...
by Marcus Goodfellow
September 5th, 2019, 3:07 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Goodfellow 2017 Single Vineyard Release - Live
Replies: 23
Views: 1442

Re: Goodfellow 2017 Single Vineyard Release - Live

After reading so many good things about their wines here on WB, I joined the list and placed my first order yesterday, a mixed case. Am really looking forward to finally trying these wines! Excellent. As someone who is a huge fan (top holding in my cellar by far), I’d recommend opening the Pinots i...
by Marcus Goodfellow
August 28th, 2019, 11:57 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Phases of Aging Riesling
Replies: 57
Views: 2284

Re: Phases of Aging Riesling

Great question and good to see the responses.
by Marcus Goodfellow
August 27th, 2019, 3:54 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Do you typically drink Oregon pinot 10+ years past vintage?
Replies: 92
Views: 4924

Re: Do you typically drink Oregon pinot 10+ years past vintage?

Interesting Ron, I think the delicacy of the '11s might be what you're referring to. I expect "lighter" vintages to look their age earlier more than they taste of it. By contrast, vintages of greater intensity and color might need to stumble through the years the '11s are already gracefully stridin...
by Marcus Goodfellow
August 26th, 2019, 3:56 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Do you typically drink Oregon pinot 10+ years past vintage?
Replies: 92
Views: 4924

Re: Do you typically drink Oregon pinot 10+ years past vintage?

Vincent Fritzsche wrote:
August 25th, 2019, 11:58 pm
Agreed James and Marcus, would be nice to dig into 05 for example or 02. But will require some procurement that some of us might be able to do for the group.
I do think we’d need to tap the participating winemakers and also see if we can procure wines from some of the other wineries.
by Marcus Goodfellow
August 26th, 2019, 3:15 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: WTF is the problem with Chardonnay?
Replies: 158
Views: 7675

Re: WTF is the problem with Chardonnay?

There is a world of crappy Chardonnay, but you should venture into the Willamette Valley(and Chablis of course where pricing is still half sane). Look to: Bethel Heights Haden Fig “Juliette” Cameron Walter Scott Arterberry Maresh Johan Vincent ...and my wines. For <$30, Cameron, Vincent, Walter Sco...
by Marcus Goodfellow
August 26th, 2019, 3:11 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: WTF is the problem with Chardonnay?
Replies: 158
Views: 7675

Re: WTF is the problem with Chardonnay?

Yes, this was a lower end Chard, for sure. Mass market. Don't even recall what producer, I suppressed it. But a few months back I had Stag's Leap (which was also on the cheaper side, admittedly) - same thing. And numerous other ones. It's what's kept me away from Chards over the years and only by t...
by Marcus Goodfellow
August 25th, 2019, 2:38 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Do you typically drink Oregon pinot 10+ years past vintage?
Replies: 92
Views: 4924

Re: Do you typically drink Oregon pinot 10+ years past vintage?

From someone who hopefully has years of enjoyment ahead from many of the makers popular in these forums - I would like to learn more about any Closed Periods of your favorite Oregon Pinot Noirs. Your experiences on when/if you have encountered Bottles well stored in you cellar that are shut down. I...
by Marcus Goodfellow
August 25th, 2019, 8:40 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Do you typically drink Oregon pinot 10+ years past vintage?
Replies: 92
Views: 4924

Re: Do you typically drink Oregon pinot 10+ years past vintage?

Todd Laubach wrote:
August 25th, 2019, 5:53 am
Drank a 2002 St. Innocent Freedom Hill over Memorial Day weekend that was just phenomenal. One of the best domestic pinot's I have ever had.
Great vintage for St. I, good to know they are holding up well.
by Marcus Goodfellow
August 24th, 2019, 7:56 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: WTF is the problem with Chardonnay?
Replies: 158
Views: 7675

Re: WTF is the problem with Chardonnay?

larry schaffer wrote:
August 24th, 2019, 10:32 am
RichardFlack wrote:
August 24th, 2019, 10:22 am
It’s winemaker then terroir in that order.
This is increasingly becoming the case across the board these days . . .

Cheers.
Ugh...Seriously, try some Willamette Valley chardonnays.

Or Rhys, or Kutch.
by Marcus Goodfellow
August 24th, 2019, 7:48 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: WTF is the problem with Chardonnay?
Replies: 158
Views: 7675

Re: WTF is the problem with Chardonnay?

The only issue with Chardonnay is that it is grown outside Burgundy and Chablis. Isn't all chablis burgundy but not all Burgundy is chablis? Oregon. You've been shown the water. RT But I am not going to drink.... 2017 Jobard Muersault “ Les Poruzots” $150/btl 2017 Jobard Muersault “Charmes” $200/bt...
by Marcus Goodfellow
August 24th, 2019, 5:37 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Here's One for You Lawyers
Replies: 47
Views: 3870

Re: Here's One for You Lawyers

I, too, like Neil Martin. A demonstrated willingness to change one's scores, even if that means downgrading, inspires confidence that the reviewer is being honest, as opposed to protecting their initial impression. Quite frankly, I wish I saw more of that out of the wine geek community. Quite the o...
by Marcus Goodfellow
August 24th, 2019, 5:05 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Phil Mickelson likes wine
Replies: 37
Views: 2882

Re: Phil Mickelson likes wine

Dennis Atick wrote:
August 23rd, 2019, 1:19 pm
I don't know- that's not a wine I'd drink poolside on a hot day, but I'm no Phil Mickelson.
Ha! +1

85 Haut Brion is awesome, but the pairing is terrible. I am pretty sure Donhoff makes it to AZ.
by Marcus Goodfellow
August 24th, 2019, 5:01 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Grassl Glass reviews/evals [merged]
Replies: 249
Views: 18279

Re: Grassl Glass reviews/evals [merged]

Josh Grossman wrote:
August 24th, 2019, 3:49 pm
Chris Freemott wrote:
August 24th, 2019, 3:47 pm
Thanks Peter and Brad. Kind of you.

The tasting stem is indeed hand blown. And available on the site for sale. :)
Think I'm soon to put in an order as I've broke six of my 12 of the GG. I can't have nice things.
They’re great for our wines, and I would really recommend the Liberté and Cru.
by Marcus Goodfellow
August 24th, 2019, 4:54 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: WTF is the problem with Chardonnay?
Replies: 158
Views: 7675

Re: WTF is the problem with Chardonnay?

More than any other grape varietal, I seem to always get a kind of chemical, artificial taste with them, unless I kind of splash on Failla or Lioco etc. But all the everyday Chards I buy are all awful. Oak can muddle things up, but it's not that, it's something else that just feels processed. What ...
by Marcus Goodfellow
August 23rd, 2019, 12:09 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Sulfur isn't such a bad thing (TN: La Clarine Farm mourvedre)
Replies: 83
Views: 2806

Re: Sulfur isn't such a bad thing (TN: La Clarine Farm mourvedre)

What I meant was that he is not trying to make wines to a formula or to please crowds, which I commend. But the commitment seems to be to an abstract philosophy of "natural" that in practice makes the wine kind of a crap shoot. ... But, isn’t “natural” actually pretty formulaic winemaking? Perhaps ...
by Marcus Goodfellow
August 23rd, 2019, 12:05 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Sulfur isn't such a bad thing (TN: La Clarine Farm mourvedre)
Replies: 83
Views: 2806

Re: Sulfur isn't such a bad thing (TN: La Clarine Farm mourvedre)

Adam, Interesting comments for sure. I've had a couple of Gravners in the past few years and they were certainly 'thought provoking' wines and singular in how they speak. 'Fun' is an interesting word choice. And I guess it just depends upon what type of experience you want - which I think comes int...
by Marcus Goodfellow
August 23rd, 2019, 10:43 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Do you typically drink Oregon pinot 10+ years past vintage?
Replies: 92
Views: 4924

Re: Do you typically drink Oregon pinot 10+ years past vintage?

Having tasted quite a few vintages of Patricia Green Etzel Block recently, as well as a couple of other aged wines from PGC, I think most of those are not yet at peak at 10 years. 15 is probably more like it for my taste. Of course, producer, producer, producer. For sure, I have also had quite a fe...
by Marcus Goodfellow
August 23rd, 2019, 10:01 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Do you typically drink Oregon pinot 10+ years past vintage?
Replies: 92
Views: 4924

Re: Do you typically drink Oregon pinot 10+ years past vintage?

I think it would be good to consider having an older flight at the Berserker tasting after IPNC.

Have 10 people bring wines that are from a vintage that is at least 10-15 years old.
by Marcus Goodfellow
August 23rd, 2019, 9:58 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Do you typically drink Oregon pinot 10+ years past vintage?
Replies: 92
Views: 4924

Re: Do you typically drink Oregon pinot 10+ years past vintage?

I'm curious how many of you find much additional complexity or (positive) development on these wines after 10 years. Some wines/producers do better than others. Even entry level Pinots can age nicely. Some don't. A lot of 2005s are killer right now with more mileage ahead. Some 08's and 10's are st...
by Marcus Goodfellow
August 23rd, 2019, 9:47 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Burgundy question: brett vs earth
Replies: 22
Views: 1089

Re: Burgundy question: brett vs earth

To me, brett continues to be one of the most misunderstood 'qualities' in wine - and I don't think that's going to change much. It used to be that folks understood that 'band aid', i.e. 4-ethyl-phenol, was one form of brett, but I see this not discussed much at all these days. And the challenge wit...
by Marcus Goodfellow
August 23rd, 2019, 9:40 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Sulfur isn't such a bad thing (TN: La Clarine Farm mourvedre)
Replies: 83
Views: 2806

Re: Sulfur isn't such a bad thing (TN: La Clarine Farm mourvedre)

But I don’t know that this winemaker is “passionate” or “committed”(IMO). If a winemaker is passionate about or committed to a vineyard, it seems like they would want a slightly less “volatile” form of demonstrating the terroir? Especially if getting a much higher rate of quality only required a bi...
by Marcus Goodfellow
August 23rd, 2019, 9:12 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Sulfur isn't such a bad thing (TN: La Clarine Farm mourvedre)
Replies: 83
Views: 2806

Re: Sulfur isn't such a bad thing (TN: La Clarine Farm mourvedre)

I totally agree about Cornelissen. Garbage wines with a garbage story, and seemingly little-to-no effort to improve things. I also think the claim that more low/no SO2 wines are great is not true at all. Even Gravner has been highly variable for me, with multiple bottles going down the drain. The o...
by Marcus Goodfellow
August 22nd, 2019, 10:37 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Sulfur isn't such a bad thing (TN: La Clarine Farm mourvedre)
Replies: 83
Views: 2806

Re: Sulfur isn't such a bad thing (TN: La Clarine Farm mourvedre)

Claus Preisinger is pretty solid across the board. But some of the darlings of the natural world, like Frank Cornelissen and Meinklang I've never had much luck with, personally. I’ll check out the Claus Preisinger wines. The Frank Cornelissen and his wines are about my least favorite in the world. ...
by Marcus Goodfellow
August 22nd, 2019, 10:29 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Sulfur isn't such a bad thing (TN: La Clarine Farm mourvedre)
Replies: 83
Views: 2806

Re: Sulfur isn't such a bad thing (TN: La Clarine Farm mourvedre)

In the Loire, I think there was a tendency to reduce SO2 in the 2000s, and other producers (e.g., Baumard) had premox issues as well. At Dom. Closel in Savennieres, they started picking earlier to avoid botrytis because they were committed to using less sulfur and they couldn't do that with botryti...
by Marcus Goodfellow
August 22nd, 2019, 10:16 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Sulfur isn't such a bad thing (TN: La Clarine Farm mourvedre)
Replies: 83
Views: 2806

Re: Sulfur isn't such a bad thing (TN: La Clarine Farm mourvedre)

A majority of the best wines I have had comes with lower sulfur levels, however requires much more skills/knowledge and care in every step of raising the wine. On the subject of “natural” wines I feel the discussion many times can lose sight of the bigger picture. There is an impressive number of w...
by Marcus Goodfellow
August 22nd, 2019, 12:23 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Oregon 2019 growing season update?
Replies: 30
Views: 1863

Re: Oregon 2019 growing season update?

Marcus, don't forget the bit about us then shorting your order and subbing it out with different fruit... It's funny now, but for me coming from five vintages at Patton Valley (where we shared the vineyard crew with Beaux Freres) which always came off with impeccable precision. Then switching to th...
by Marcus Goodfellow
August 22nd, 2019, 12:19 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Oregon 2019 growing season update?
Replies: 30
Views: 1863

Re: Oregon 2019 growing season update?

It's easier to pick early if you know that the fruit will visit the destemmer. If you are going to whole cluster ferment, then you have to wait for the seeds to ripen. And then ignore every number you measure. Mmm...we both tend to hit the stems pretty hard. When I sell my Armbruster it will defini...
by Marcus Goodfellow
August 22nd, 2019, 9:21 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Sulfur isn't such a bad thing (TN: La Clarine Farm mourvedre)
Replies: 83
Views: 2806

Re: Sulfur isn't such a bad thing (TN: La Clarine Farm mourvedre)

I'm absolutely more partial to the AFWE side of the spectrum, with one exception... I largely avoid SS wines that aren't very young. Supply chain to consumer is way too variable. And, while I can't prove it, I also hold reduced S in combination with gentler pressing as a potential culprit for premo...
by Marcus Goodfellow
August 22nd, 2019, 9:20 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Sulfur isn't such a bad thing (TN: La Clarine Farm mourvedre)
Replies: 83
Views: 2806

Re: Sulfur isn't such a bad thing (TN: La Clarine Farm mourvedre)

I'm absolutely more partial to the AFWE side of the spectrum, with one exception... I largely avoid SS wines that aren't very young. Supply chain to consumer is way too variable. And, while I can't prove it, I also hold reduced S in combination with gentler pressing as a potential culprit for premo...
by Marcus Goodfellow
August 22nd, 2019, 8:57 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Oregon 2019 growing season update?
Replies: 30
Views: 1863

Re: Oregon 2019 growing season update?

I did my utmost to slow the picking decision in 06 at Maysara, and then fermented in any vessel that I could find. Total shit show Lol... Among my favorite stories from my career. I went to sample Momtazi that fall, walked through pulled my clusters and headed back to the winery. Crushed the bag an...
by Marcus Goodfellow
August 22nd, 2019, 8:20 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Oregon 2019 growing season update?
Replies: 30
Views: 1863

Re: Oregon 2019 growing season update?

Wasn't 2009 one of the hottest years in the last 10? Seems like it was in Seattle. I thought the wines would have shriveled up into raisins by October. Picking date also depends on flower/bloom/fruit set dates. If it was a later fruit set, that would push harvest dates out, even in a very hot year....
by Marcus Goodfellow
August 22nd, 2019, 12:04 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Sulfur isn't such a bad thing (TN: La Clarine Farm mourvedre)
Replies: 83
Views: 2806

Re: Sulfur isn't such a bad thing (TN: La Clarine Farm mourvedre)

Perhaps you're not sensitive to mousiness. I find it repulsive -- much more than most faults (e.g., brett, even TCA). Something like a third of the population doesn't not perceive it. On the other hand, the volatility on day two was pretty dramatic. As you said, variability is one of the risks. At ...

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