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Re: Europe Travel - Safe?

by Jeff_M. » February 24th, 2021, 2:11 pm

Dan Hammer wrote: February 6th, 2021, 6:41 am I'm sitting here tapping my fingers on the table. Good things come to those that wait, so we will wait Covid out. Do I have a choice?

This frequent flyer has spent some time in the air. My wife and I have seen a lot of this world, but still not enough. Last fall, we spent a weekend in the Catskills (or as the cool kids say, the Western Catskills - who knew??). We expect to do the same in the spring. We were hoping to see Mike Grammar this summer, but I expect Canada will still be closed.

From the NY Times >
For most people, going on vacation during the pandemic has been the stuff of dreams. But as vaccination becomes a reality, it’s time to start nurturing your travel imagination.
More in the link.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/05/trav ... ation.html
I just did 10 days in Hawaii and while it was nice to travel, it wasn't the full experience because not everything is open or at full capacity. I suspect this will be the same in other locales and it can make traveling difficult until we see the Covid numbers drop substantially in addition to the vaccines.

Right now the State Dept still requires a 72 hour covid test even if you have the vaccine. How long will this stay in place and what are the entry requirements elsewhere? These seem to be moving targets that don't favor those of us who travel extensively.

I have a group of friends that just island hopped the Maldives and they had the resorts almost to themselves. From that standpoint, that may be great but those are small atolls anyways.

I'd love to see Covid disappear for good so we can all get back to globetrotting as well as more domestic travel.

Re: Europe Travel - Safe?

by PatrickW » February 21st, 2021, 2:30 am

Domestic travel seems like a realistic option if you have been vaccinated. Vaccine rollout should continue to improve. International travel may be another issue. Who knows what kind of restrictions will be in place...we're planning a trip to Washington wine country for late summer, with the hope that most wineries/restaurants will be open at least in a limited capacity or outdoors.

Re: Europe Travel - Safe?

by PCLIN » February 21st, 2021, 12:24 am

I am still hoping to travel sometimes in Q4/21, but it’s not looking good.

Re: Europe Travel - Safe?

by mattlock » February 10th, 2021, 11:16 pm

Paul Jaouen wrote: February 5th, 2021, 11:35 am
Rick Allen wrote: February 5th, 2021, 11:32 am I was hoping this year. I'm not getting any younger...
Same here. I was hoping to travel there in late June but I think that is overly optimistic.
I’ve had a May/June trip to Umbria planned for ages with the wife and kids...house already booked. I’m all for optimism if anyone has any good news for me to cling on to...

Re: Europe Travel - Safe?

by Dan Hammer » February 6th, 2021, 6:41 am

I'm sitting here tapping my fingers on the table. Good things come to those that wait, so we will wait Covid out. Do I have a choice?

This frequent flyer has spent some time in the air. My wife and I have seen a lot of this world, but still not enough. Last fall, we spent a weekend in the Catskills (or as the cool kids say, the Western Catskills - who knew??). We expect to do the same in the spring. We were hoping to see Mike Grammar this summer, but I expect Canada will still be closed.

From the NY Times >
For most people, going on vacation during the pandemic has been the stuff of dreams. But as vaccination becomes a reality, it’s time to start nurturing your travel imagination.
More in the link.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/05/trav ... ation.html

Re: Europe Travel - Safe?

by Victor Hong » February 6th, 2021, 6:10 am

Albert R wrote: February 5th, 2021, 6:30 pm
Paul Jaouen wrote: February 5th, 2021, 11:35 am
Rick Allen wrote: February 5th, 2021, 11:32 am I was hoping this year. I'm not getting any younger...
Same here. I was hoping to travel there in late June but I think that is overly optimistic.
+1. I was hoping as well. Not looking so good at the moment.
Even domestic sporting events, not involving international travel, are being cancelled or severely restricted.
For me, regattas seem out again, as in 2020.

Re: Europe Travel - Safe?

by Albert R » February 5th, 2021, 6:30 pm

Paul Jaouen wrote: February 5th, 2021, 11:35 am
Rick Allen wrote: February 5th, 2021, 11:32 am I was hoping this year. I'm not getting any younger...
Same here. I was hoping to travel there in late June but I think that is overly optimistic.
+1. I was hoping as well. Not looking so good at the moment.

Re: Europe Travel - Safe?

by Nola Palomar » February 5th, 2021, 12:21 pm

Good luck hoping, but I think tourism is out for a good while.

Re: Europe Travel - Safe?

by Victor Hong » February 5th, 2021, 12:14 pm

Nola Palomar wrote: February 5th, 2021, 12:11 pm What I am hearing on the ground in Spain is, no. During the first phase they were able to keep the cases quelled. It is not controlled by any reasonable thought right now or for the near future. Their vaccine rollout is worse than ours...
That was my point. But folks are welcome to scout out the situation there, and try to report back.

Re: Europe Travel - Safe?

by Nola Palomar » February 5th, 2021, 12:11 pm

What I am hearing on the ground in Spain is, no. During the first phase they were able to keep the cases quelled. It is not controlled by any reasonable thought right now or for the near future. Their vaccine rollout is worse than ours...

Re: Europe Travel - Safe?

by Paul Jaouen » February 5th, 2021, 11:35 am

Rick Allen wrote: February 5th, 2021, 11:32 am I was hoping this year. I'm not getting any younger...
Same here. I was hoping to travel there in late June but I think that is overly optimistic.

Re: Europe Travel - Safe?

by Paul Jaouen » February 5th, 2021, 11:34 am

Victor Hong wrote: February 5th, 2021, 11:14 am
Rick Allen wrote: February 5th, 2021, 11:07 am Given Europe's vaccination problems, will there be a time this year when restaurants, museums, etc. will be fully open? Thinking of Italy in October...
Which year?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... calculator
OMG! You're not going to leave your apartment for 7 more years! [rofl.gif]

Re: Europe Travel - Safe?

by Rick Allen » February 5th, 2021, 11:32 am

I was hoping this year. I'm not getting any younger...

Re: Europe Travel - Safe?

by Victor Hong » February 5th, 2021, 11:14 am

Rick Allen wrote: February 5th, 2021, 11:07 am Given Europe's vaccination problems, will there be a time this year when restaurants, museums, etc. will be fully open? Thinking of Italy in October...
Which year?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... calculator

Re: Europe Travel - Safe?

by Rick Allen » February 5th, 2021, 11:07 am

Given Europe's vaccination problems, will there be a time this year when restaurants, museums, etc. will be fully open? Thinking of Italy in October...

Re: Europe Travel - Safe?

by Nola Palomar » November 15th, 2020, 5:52 pm

I don’t know about Paris but in Granada it is bad. Below is the daily update from our little village Ugijar.
COVID-19 INFORMATION IN UGÍJAR Municipality (15.11.2020)
According to new data provided by the Ugíjar Health Center, the population is informed that no positive case has been confirmed today, so at this time there are still 4 active cases of coronavirus in our municipality. The infected people continue in isolation and house lockdown, to which we continue to send our best wishes and our greatest encouragement to cope as best as possible with this situation, thinking that Health comes first; the effort they are making is key and very important for all.
It is very important not to let our guard down, as we continue to have positive cases in the municipality and, if we trust, the data could be ignited again.
We remind you that all the Province of Granada is located in #Level 4, #Grade2, of #Alert so you can NOT leave or enter the municipality of Ugíjar without justified cause regulated by law, also all municipal facilities, including children's parks continue to be closed, except the Consistorial House, and all cultural, tourist and sports activities of municipal promotion continue to be suspended, in order to minimize the risks of contagion by Covid-19.
All official information about this will be brought to the attention of all the neighbors of Ugíjar by this means.
Together we will overcome this virus!
GO AND STRENGTH!!!
#JuntosPodemosLograrlo
#TodoSaldráBien
#EsteVirusLoParamosUnidos
#UgíjarTeInforma
#Ugíjar ❤ #Cherín 💚 #Jorairátar 💗
#LasCanteras 💙 #LosMontoros 💛
#LaAlpujarraLlenaDeVida ❤️💚💗💙💛

Re: Europe Travel - Safe?

by Francois Olivier » November 15th, 2020, 9:48 am

Situation is not so bad than discribe on tv.
You must know that France we are testing a lot (first because one of test is french) and for us problems are more a question of organization or lack of beds in public hospitals.
Also for having more subvention and money, hostipal wright covid than pneumonia or fever.

Re: Europe Travel - Safe?

by patrick c albright » November 7th, 2020, 8:13 pm

I have had three friends in France test positive in the last three weeks.
One in Lyon, one in Paris, and one in a small town in Savoie.

The surge is real.

Re: Europe Travel - Safe?

by Nola Palomar » November 5th, 2020, 8:27 pm

Ian Sutton wrote: November 5th, 2020, 3:11 pm be as safe as you can Nola (and indeed that goes for all forumites)
Thanks, I’m in Dayton. I do a lot of management via zoom and WhatsApp. Not that where I live in Ohio is less dangerous (it isn’t)!

Re: Europe Travel - Safe?

by Ian Sutton » November 5th, 2020, 3:11 pm

be as safe as you can Nola (and indeed that goes for all forumites)

Re: Europe Travel - Safe?

by Victor Hong » November 2nd, 2020, 6:46 am

Nola Palomar wrote: October 31st, 2020, 6:14 am The south of Spain is having a really tough time right now. Travel restrictions, mask and distance mandate and curfew at night!
Our village Ugijar has about 2000 residents and are logging in 30-40 new cases. Only a clinic, no hospital less than an hour away.
People under-estimate the conditional riskiness of the last point.

Re: Europe Travel - Safe?

by Nola Palomar » October 31st, 2020, 6:14 am

The south of Spain is having a really tough time right now. Travel restrictions, mask and distance mandate and curfew at night!
Our village Ugijar has about 2000 residents and are logging in 30-40 new cases. Only a clinic, no hospital less than an hour away.

Re: Europe Travel - Safe?

by Ian Sutton » October 31st, 2020, 12:47 am

EmmaGray wrote: September 4th, 2020, 3:49 am Those places are considered as generally safe ones. But I would also be prepared, since in Italy, in general, are a lot of muggers and pickpocketers. So always, keep an eye on your belongings. Paris is, also, not a very safe place in these terms. So keep an eye on your belongings, and don’t take all your documents and money with you.
That entirely depends on where you go in Italy, France and indeed any country.

If you only ever go to the big tourist destinations, along with the hordes of other transient tourists, then yes that is what creates a setting for pickpockets and bag-snatchers. Outside of these easy pickings, pickpocketing is simply not a viable career option.

Thus if going to any major tourist destination, take proper precautions and also extend that caution to public transport to/from that location. That would be true in Paris, New York, Amsterdam, Venice, London etc.

However, if you explore these countries away from the tourist hordes, then you'll find there is no such 'general' problem, general being a foreigner's perception based on the vast majority of tourists getting no further than Rome/Venice/Florence. If you go to St Omer, Utrecht, Aosta or Durham and you'll need no more precautions than you would at home, and for some of our home locations, quite a lot less.

Whilst your photo album may not contain an array of the most famous landmarks, the interaction with local people will be much more rewarding and especially in Italy, you can experience a level of hospitality that is exceptional. It's possible to do this without learning the local language, but making even a little effort goes a long way to being able to build a rapport with the people you interact with.

It's a choice that needs to be individual. For some the famous sites are vital to the experience, as is the ability to get by without a worry speaking, hearing and reading English. If that's the case, then the negatives that come from the mass tourist trail (poor quality food, dirtiness, crowds, petty crime) are to be tolerated for the positives.

Regards
Ian

Re: Europe Travel - Safe?

by Rob Lynch » October 27th, 2020, 6:06 am

Glenn L e v i n e wrote: March 24th, 2016, 7:08 am I have performed more than 20K digital recital exams in my career without a fatality.

How is this old gem not in a Hall of Fame?

Re: Europe Travel - Safe?

by George Hejna » September 5th, 2020, 2:38 pm

Post is over 4 years old.

George

Re: Europe Travel - Safe?

by Paul @bbott » September 4th, 2020, 11:03 am

My perception of risk is rather different, with Covid and BLM issues going on in the states I would suggest many Europeans would be asking if the US is safe to visit. Personally I enjoy travel and apart from known trouble spots would go anywhere

Re: Europe Travel - Safe?

by Victor Hong » September 4th, 2020, 8:09 am

EmmaGray wrote: September 4th, 2020, 3:49 am Those places are considered as generally safe ones. But I would also be prepared, since in Italy, in general, are a lot of muggers and pickpocketers. So always, keep an eye on your belongings. My friend has been mugged Tuscany once. Someone took her bag with her passport and all her money and credit cards.
When traveling overseas, I always split my credit cards between at least my wallet and luggage.
Moreover, I load my passport onto US-approved phone apps, and save a detailed, color photocopy on multiple e-mail accounts.

This matters little now, as we 'Mericans can no longer travel out of our national sh1th01e.

Re: Europe Travel - Safe?

by EmmaGray » September 4th, 2020, 3:49 am

Those places are considered as generally safe ones. But I would also be prepared, since in Italy, in general, are a lot of muggers and pickpocketers. So always, keep an eye on your belongings. Paris is, also, not a very safe place in these terms. So keep an eye on your belongings, and don’t take all your documents and money with you. Before visiting a new place I usually check here https://www.africanjacana.com/kuwait/. It was really helpful with my last trip to Kuwait. I knew the things I should be prepared for.

Europe Travel - Safe?

by Karl_O'Donoghue » April 2nd, 2016, 1:51 pm

Tom Moore wrote:Just spent last 4 days in Paris and all fears were squashed after arriving. There is military/police presence but not much more than usual.
We used Uber a lot and everyone of our drivers were of Muslim/Islamic descent and were a joy to talk with and very accommodating.
Life seems to be back to normal in Paris with the youth rioting in the streets and restaurants packed.
The world is a BIG place and what fear the terrorists have dispelled seem to be pretty minor in the whole scheme of things.

Confirmed - I love to travel!
Agree. I was in Sicily & Paris end Feb, then in Paris a few days before Brussels event, and will be in AMS, next week. More security apparent, and restaurants packed. Uber makes things a lot easier these days. Life is short, so drink/hunt for more/better wine :-)
Just like anywhere in a big city, whether at home or abroad, be aware of your surroundings and if something looks out of place, just walk away.

Europe Travel - Safe?

by Tom Moore » April 2nd, 2016, 4:22 am

Just spent last 4 days in Paris and all fears were squashed after arriving. There is military/police presence but not much more than usual.
We used Uber a lot and everyone of our drivers were of Muslim/Islamic descent and were a joy to talk with and very accommodating.
Life seems to be back to normal in Paris with the youth rioting in the streets and restaurants packed.
The world is a BIG place and what fear the terrorists have dispelled seem to be pretty minor in the whole scheme of things.

Confirmed - I love to travel!

Europe Travel - Safe?

by ybarselah » March 24th, 2016, 4:43 pm

patrick c albright wrote:I am in Paris now.

Walking around the Marais, I feel pretty relaxed.
that's because you're not that cute.

champagne.gif champagne.gif

Europe Travel - Safe?

by ybarselah » March 24th, 2016, 4:42 pm

Sarah Kirschbaum wrote:I think I read something stating your were more likely to die from complications from a routine prostate exam than a terrorist attack. Life is full of lurking dangers - they just don't really lurk where our imaginations place them.

Of course, being on the alert is a good idea regardless. But go to Europe. Every person who decides not to visit as a result of this attack is, to me, a small victory for the enemies of freedom and open exchange of cultures.
can we all agree that dying from a prostate exam is the worst way to die?

Europe Travel - Safe?

by Barry L i p t o n » March 24th, 2016, 4:29 pm

My thoughts:

Is it safe?

Compared to what.

Compared to staying in bed, no.

Compared to driving in Orange County on the Freeway, much, much safer.

Europe Travel - Safe?

by Michel Abood » March 24th, 2016, 3:58 pm

Absolutely travel to Europe, while of course keeping an eye out for signs of something amiss. As they say in the NYC Subway system, "If you see something, say something."

I was in Paris for a month from late January to late February, and they checked bags at the main department stores but not the subway or TGV stations (though as always lots of heavily armed police patrolling).

If you change your life on the off-chance of something happening, you are handing a victory to those who want to affect our lives.

Europe Travel - Safe?

by Steven Miller » March 24th, 2016, 3:29 pm

A hotel I stayed at in Jakarta was bombed 2 weeks after I stayed there. Many of my peers refused to travel because the risk is real, but other places are far more dangerous. In Central & South America being a victim of the violent drug trade & kidnapping is more likely than a terrorist act, but that rarely seems to stop anyone from traveling there.

https://travel.state.gov/content/passpo ... rning.html

Europe Travel - Safe?

by Nola Palomar » March 24th, 2016, 3:17 pm

We check in in Almeria and will pass security there. Barajas has essentially 2 airports, the Iberia terminal and the main international terminal. Iberia international flights leave from the Iberia terminal so IIRC I won't have to pass through security again, that's a plus.

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by Alan Rath » March 24th, 2016, 2:25 pm

Joe B wrote:Onc you say to yourself, "well, i am not really in that much danger" its probably best to change your plans.
Depends on where you are and what you're doing, of course. Believing you're not in much danger walking through downtown Mogadishu is one thing, traveling through a major western airport another.

Nola, if you want to be as safe as possible, you can do some things that I believe are in your favor: get to the airport and check in early, and get through security while there are few people waiting in long AA check in lines. Avoid long security queues if you can. Once past security into the gates, things should be quite safe. I tend to avoid places where there are likely to be large groupings of Americans (like American-branded stores or restaurants, but that kind of goes without saying anyway ;) ). If you see army/security with heavy weapons, stay close to them [wow.gif]

Europe Travel - Safe?

by Joe B » March 24th, 2016, 1:47 pm

Once you say to yourself, "well, i am not really in that much danger" its probably best to change your plans.

Safety 101 in just about anything includes "am I safe?" Which each one of us may answer differently based on our experiances in life.

The flip side though is that i have never asked myself that question when i travel to Napa.

Europe Travel - Safe?

by Nola Palomar » March 24th, 2016, 1:29 pm

I'm with you Alan, but I think because this just happened and reading about the deficiencies that were present recently in Brussels makes me doubt the efficiency of the security in Madrid as well. Just reading (and looking at the photos) that the two terrorists who were wearing a single glove and that it is apparently known in counter terrorism (that where they hide the detonation device) that that should have been a huge warning sign. But the security is quite inefficient and under staffed.
I'm going home and I'm not letting them dissuade me from traveling but I'm still nervous.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ssels.html

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by Alan Rath » March 24th, 2016, 12:42 pm

Nola Palomar wrote:I'm at the winery in Spain right now and returning to the US through Madrid the day after tomorrow alone with my 12 year old daughter. I am nervous, no question about it. We fly on Iberia / American and that adds to my uneasiness.
Nola, as others have said, it's good to be aware and cautious. But remember that these events are extremely rare, and millions of people are traveling every day without incident. Honestly, I don't give it a thought when I travel, it's not something I allow to affect my daily life and emotional state.

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by Glenn L e v i n e » March 24th, 2016, 12:27 pm

Alan Rath wrote:
Glenn L e v i n e wrote:Hard to make it thru a day without at least one rationalization.
Hell, I had to do that just to get out of bed this morning.
Lol, me too.

Europe Travel - Safe?

by Nola Palomar » March 24th, 2016, 12:11 pm

I'm at the winery in Spain right now and returning to the US through Madrid the day after tomorrow alone with my 12 year old daughter. I am nervous, no question about it. We fly on Iberia / American and that adds to my uneasiness.

Europe Travel - Safe?

by Alan Rath » March 24th, 2016, 12:09 pm

Glenn L e v i n e wrote:Hard to make it thru a day without at least one rationalization.
Hell, I had to do that just to get out of bed this morning.

Europe Travel - Safe?

by Glenn L e v i n e » March 24th, 2016, 11:57 am

Hard to make it thru a day without at least one rationalization.

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by Alan Rath » March 24th, 2016, 11:52 am

I'm flying into Paris on the 31st. I always figure after an event like this is the safest time to travel. Security is up, and bad guys will want to lay low for a while.

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by Glenn L e v i n e » March 24th, 2016, 11:38 am

I'm certain that is the case too.

Europe Travel - Safe?

by Nola Palomar » March 24th, 2016, 11:36 am

Howard Cooper wrote:
C. Mc Cart wrote:Man, how do you die from a rectal exam....
Actually don't tell me.
I was wondering the same thing??? Heart attack? [scratch.gif]
I don't know, but probably not the DRE for the prostate exam, but rather a prostate biopsy, that increases the risk.

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by Nola Palomar » March 24th, 2016, 11:33 am

Howard Cooper wrote:
C. Mc Cart wrote:Man, how do you die from a rectal exam....
Actually don't tell me.
I was wondering the same thing??? Heart attack? [scratch.gif]
I don't know, but probably not the DRE for the prostate exam, but rather a prostate biopsy, that increases the risk.

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by Alan Rath » March 24th, 2016, 11:26 am

Glenn L e v i n e wrote:I have performed more than 20K digital recital exams in my career without a fatality.
Something I've always wondered: do you get to keep any loose change you find?

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by Glenn L e v i n e » March 24th, 2016, 11:04 am

Not certain of that Eric!

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