what do you think the percentage of WA readers who tasted La Tache and can compare the wine in question with a referenced one?
About 100 to one, I'd say. La Tâche has been around for centuries, and many wine buffs have had, at least once in their lives, the opportunity to take a sip of it at a tasting or some such occasion. There are many wine buffs of that type among the WA readers. Those who have tasted one of the 800 bottles of El Pecado made yearly since 2004 are immensely less numerous.
Even more important, of course, is the fact that we all know from our readings which features La Tâche is famous for. As we all know which features Marilyn Monroe was famous for - even if we never approached her any closer than the screen of our neighborhood movie theatre.
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Victor de la Serna wrote:
Serge Birbrair wrote:
what do you think the percentage of WA readers who tasted La Tache and can compare the wine in question with a referenced one?
About 100 to one, I'd say. La Tâche has been around for centuries, and many wine buffs have had, at least once in their lives, the opportunity to take a sip of it at a tasting or some such occasion. There are many wine buffs of that type among the WA readers. Those who have tasted one of the 800 bottles of El Pecado made yearly since 2004 are immensely less numerous.
Even more important, of course, is the fact that we all know from our readings which features La Tâche is famous for. As we all know which features Marilyn Monroe was famous for - even if we never approached her any closer than the screen of our neighborhood movie theatre.
319 notes represents 1,215,545 .026% or 1 in 38,000
WA boasts 50,000 subscribers, that means 5000 people who tried La Tache
Victor, do you still really believe that 1 in 100 WA subscribers tried La Tache?
as far as Marylin Monroe is concerned - we saw her "features", none of us knows if she was good in bed or not. Which reiterates my point - comparing her to our g/fs to her is comparing something tangible to unknown to us, even if the unknown has a recognizable name, the amount of information this comparison brings is close to ZERO.
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Sorry for the confusion. What I meant is that there were 100 times more WA readers who have tasted La Tâche than have tasted El Pecado. Seeing your figures, I'd say the percentage is much lower still.
By the way, I will not prusue this ridiculous troll war you have engaged. I have tasted La Tâche many times, yet I've never posted a tasting note on CT. What does that make me, a statistical oddity? Don't be absurd. Also: please consider that El Secreto has four vintages out, i.e. about 3,200 bottles. In those same four years, La Tâche produced about 80,000 bottles. Since World War II, La Tâche has produced about 1.2 million bottles. So?
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Victor de la Serna wrote:
Sorry for the confusion. What I meant is that there were 100 times more WA readers who have tasted La Tâche than have tasted El Pecado. Seeing your figures, I'd say the percentage is much lower still.
Victor, I edited and added few lines and you didn't have the chance to respond.
Do you still believe that "X 1 in 38,000 readers tried is similar to Y tried by 1 in 10,000" is a good and valuable addition to ABC world and it's assumed 50,000 subscribers?
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this wine was atrocious and even though it isn't my style to be rated in the category of these other wines listed heretofore is impossible regardless of your scale
That quote is like the writing of a hypothetical blend of an LSD-deranged F Scott Fitzgerald and a cocaine-adjusted Earnest Hemingway with a touch of an insulin-deficient Maya Angelou.
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Victor de la Serna wrote:
Sorry for the confusion. What I meant is that there were 100 times more WA readers who have tasted La Tâche than have tasted El Pecado. Seeing your figures, I'd say the percentage is much lower still.
By the way, I will not prusue this ridiculous troll war you have engaged. I have tasted La Tâche many times, yet I've never posted a tasting note on CT. What does that make me, a statistical oddity? Don't be absurd. Also: please consider that El Secreto has four vintages out, i.e. about 3,200 bottles. In those same four years, La Tâche produced about 80,000 bottles. Since World War II, La Tâche has produced about 1.2 million bottles. So?
Spare me the bogus math, please.
Wow, what a nice addition you made, from fighting the ideas you now fight the trolling poster.
It's OK, as I am sure, being the educated person you are, the line "Jupiter, you are angry, therefore you are wrong," from THE BROTHERS KARAMAZOV by Fyodor Mikhailovich Dostoevsky is applicable in this case.
Barbie Doll: "Math class is tough!"
..and I made my case too, BTW.
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this wine was atrocious and even though it isn't my style to be rated in the category of these other wines listed heretofore is impossible regardless of your scale
That quote is like the writing of a hypothetical blend of an LSD-deranged F Scott Fitzgerald and a cocaine-adjusted Earnest Hemingway with a touch of an insulin-deficient Maya Angelou.
OK, I read that whole thread. Where is s/he outed to be a man?
BTW the note on the 1900 Margaux is hilarious!
Ken, there are several threads on the subject. In one thread PP offered to be my "fluffer". I've been around porn world for 10 years. I posted on all kind of boards with people from all walks of life. Never ever I met a woman suggesting this to anybody. Women just don't do that, women do not talk like a man, women have their own style of posting. Men pretending to be a woman can't help themselves and change their posting style on a fly.
BTW, the note on 1900 Chateau Margaux was changed several times after CT users were commenting on several discrepancies.
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If a schlub like me writes a tasting note comparing some wine to La Tâche, it is a shorthand to communicate an emotional reaction to the wine that is not unlike the reaction to encountering a distinctive and great wine like La Tâche. I don't read it any other way. Even if that someone else has tasted a lot of La Tâche, I still think it is most likely something similar - the gulf between the nerve endings, subjective emotions and the printed word.
I expect a critic, being a professional writer who is paid for the ability to cross the barrier between palate and pen, to not be so disabled. If they aren't, then they are professionally useless. I don't pay for some second-hand emotional reaction to a wine (unless the prose is quality enough to create an emotion reaction itself.) When I see professional wine notes which compare some wine to one of the stars in the firmament, I just think what a lazy hack the writer is.
OK, I read that whole thread. Where is s/he outed to be a man?
BTW the note on the 1900 Margaux is hilarious!
Ken, there are several threads on the subject. In one thread PP offered to be my "fluffer". I've been around porn world for 10 years. I posted on all kind of boards with people from all walks of life. Never ever I met a woman suggesting this to anybody. Women just don't do that, women do not talk like a man, women have their own style of posting. Men pretending to be a woman can't help themselves and change their posting style on a fly.
BTW, the note on 1900 Chateau Margaux was changed several times after CT users were commenting on several discrepancies.
Serge,
I'm not saying you're wrong. I just was waiting for a big exposé, a Crying Game moment as it were.
OK, I read that whole thread. Where is s/he outed to be a man?
BTW the note on the 1900 Margaux is hilarious!
Ken, there are several threads on the subject. In one thread PP offered to be my "fluffer". I've been around porn world for 10 years. I posted on all kind of boards with people from all walks of life. Never ever I met a woman suggesting this to anybody. Women just don't do that, women do not talk like a man, women have their own style of posting. Men pretending to be a woman can't help themselves and change their posting style on a fly.
BTW, the note on 1900 Chateau Margaux was changed several times after CT users were commenting on several discrepancies.
Serge,
I'm not saying you're wrong. I just was waiting for a big exposé, a Crying Game moment as it were.
Ken, all this drama-lama happened when I was on vacation, you don't see me posting in that thread, but... I asked the guys to pin point the exact thread/post when it happened. The other "circumstantial evidence" in the thread is the "girl" claimed ownership of the picture of a semi naked lady. How many "mothers drinking 1900 Chateau Margaux and Petruses by the barrels" do that!?
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But the price point is really irrelevant as far as what I said. There are those that treat wine as a status symbol, and those that drink it, whether it's $20 or $20k. It's just that I've never seen a tasting of a vertical of Woodbridge by Mondavi around the $10 price point talked up the way that rare wines are. If the goal was just to keep a note, a database like CT would make much more sense. But then the audience would be smaller, no?
probably not much to talk about when it comes to Woodbridge verticals.
True dat! I should have chosen something that at least has enough stuffing to be a decent ringer in a blind tasting. Woodbridge would not be that wine, though I think I had it once and it was decent with Cab character other than the ubiquitous cheapy oak treatment all $10 Cali wines get.
Anyway, I find the rare/coveted wine tasting notes about as interesting as being told about someone else's dream. It's one of those things where it's meaningful if you experience it, but otherwise quite dull as words don't really convey the experience. It's like an inferior version of porn. At least with porn some part of the sensory experience--imagery and sound--is conveyed. Given the choice between a woman and a magazine, I know which I'd prefer, even if she would not pass muster for the magazine editors.
Back on topic, name dropping impresses some, but not others. I fall in the latter group. Regardless, if you're going to do what Dr. Big J did, you had better get it right. You can correct for his inflated scores by ignoring them or using a multiplier (Big J score x .95 usually works decently). His words are a different story.
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You can correct for his inflated scores by ignoring them or using a multiplier (Big J score x .95 usually works decently). His words are a different story.
Only a 5% correction? Pretty generous there Mr. Dyer.
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G. D y e r wrote:
Given the choice between a woman and a magazine, I know which I'd prefer, even if she would not pass muster for the magazine editors.
Back on topic, name dropping impresses some, but not others. I fall in the latter group.
Greg, I am from the same camp. My problems with TN's written by "names" is that TN consists of 2 parts: Lyrics Number
"Lyrics" are subjective and can not be measured. Some writers do write like Hemingway, some don't, and this si fine with me.
My biggest problem is with the NUMBER. I worked with numbers all my life and there is something beautiful about them. With NUMBERS it doesn't matter who said 1+1=2. Be it our children, Bill gates or Einstein, 1+1=2 regardless of who said it.
When some wine experts, like Victor today, venture into the Math field, all the houses of cards they build using numbers for scores, just fall down, as soon as they run into somebody who knows math as much as they know wines.
It gets very frustrating on their part as they can not defend very simple math/logic equations like: if A = B then B = A. If top notch Mencia equals in taste to top notch Pinot Noir, then top notch Pinot Noir tastes like top notch Mencia, at least in the real world.
I'll patiently sit and wait for the wine expert to write that La Tache tastes like El Pecado just to prove me wrong.
Literal Lyrics and precision of numbers mix well together as oil and water.
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You can correct for his inflated scores by ignoring them or using a multiplier (Big J score x .95 usually works decently). His words are a different story.
Only a 5% correction? Pretty generous there Mr. Dyer.
I was thinking about .9 or .8, but probably .95 was most true to my experience. Usually I buy some decent Spanish wine and later discover Dr. Big J gave it a 90-93 point rating. For me they are ok or good wines, but not special.
Probably a different multiplier is required for his 95+ point wines. His notes often makes them sound DNPIM, so a .5 multiplier might be warranted.
Given the choice between a woman and a magazine, I know which I'd prefer, even if she would not pass muster for the magazine editors.
Back on topic, name dropping impresses some, but not others. I fall in the latter group.
Greg, I am from the same camp. My problems with TN's written by "names" is that TN consists of 2 parts: Lyrics Number
"Lyrics" are subjective and can not be measured. Some writers do write like Hemingway, some don't, and this si fine with me.
I appreciate this reference to literature. Music or art is fine, too. I find context incredibly helpful, but not some trite description. If someone looks at Guernica and writes a note, "A Cubist mural depicting the horrors of the Spanish Civil War. On the eyes there are bulls, horses and anguished faces. I cried as I finished looking at it. 99 points." Fine, but I will form my own opinion if I look at it. Telling me about historical context, technique and Picasso's mindset at the time would be far more helpful as I would otherwise be unaware of what the work is alluding to.
In that sense, I am very interested in learning about the vineyards, the vintages, the winemakers and so on with respect to historical wines. All of this context enhances the experience of tasting, should the time come. Some random person's words and numbers are useless, except to them. For this same reason, I try to avoid reading critics' detailed reviews prior to seeing a movie. I need the context like subject matter and style, and a general sense that it's well-executed, but I don't need spoilers or pointers on what I'm supposed to like or dislike.
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The WA tendency to compare very good unknown wines to very good well-known wines may be irritating, but it also may be the only way to convey to the reader (who has probably never tasted the unknown wine, and in the case of tiny production ones like El Pecado - only three barrels made each year - will have great difficulty finding a bottle of it) that this wine is truly exceptional.
Well, it's quite obviously not the only way to convey to the reader that the wine is truly exceptional. One can also write, "This wine is truly exceptional." If that sentence fails to convey the desired impact, it is because the critic (or journal) in question has worn out his hype words in Boy Who Cried Wolf fashion, and thus must constantly ratchet up his terminology to wilder and more incredible levels.
But I agree that the people who seem to be suggesting that one should never, ever, ever make such comparisons, because it's something that you just categorically shouldn't do, are overreacting. The obvious test for whether such a comparison is appropriate is whether it contains any truth. If someone finds a wine that actually does taste like La Tache, I want to know about it. The problem with Jay Miller saying as much about this wine (which I haven't tasted) is that Jay Miller doesn't care for Burgundy and has trash tastes for wine in general, meaning that one can reasonably surmise (even without personally experiencing the wine) that it is very unlikely that a wine Jay Miller claims tastes like La Tache, actually does taste like La Tache.
The people who are arguing that the comparison is inappropriate because it's just plain inappropriate, goddammit (rather than that it's inappropriate because it's almost certainly untrue), are pretty much trying to find a way to turn a substantive infraction into a procedural infraction because they're not willing to go all the way and give Miller and the WA the criticism they deserve on the merits. Miller and the WA should be flamed because they promote trash wines and have trash tastes, not because they have broken one or another unwritten protocol of wine reviewing. The club of "I Hate the Wine Advocate But Love All the Wines They Recommend!" has way too many members.
It gets very frustrating on their part as they can not defend very simple math/logic equations like: if A = B then B = A. If top notch Mencia equals in taste to top notch Pinot Noir, then top notch Pinot Noir tastes like top notch Mencia, at least in the real world.
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To be fair, the original (JSM) note said "reminiscent of." I don't think reminiscing is a symmetrical relation.
As I said earlier, if someone is a great prose artist it is worth paying for their reminiscing. Otherwise it is just lazy and a disservice to the reader who should have an expectation that a professional critic's ability to translate palate to prose rise about solipistic remembering.
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Andrew Hall wrote:
Serge Birbrair wrote:
It gets very frustrating on their part as they can not defend very simple math/logic equations like: if A = B then B = A. If top notch Mencia equals in taste to top notch Pinot Noir, then top notch Pinot Noir tastes like top notch Mencia, at least in the real world.
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To be fair, the original (JSM) note said "reminiscent of." I don't think reminiscing is a symmetrical relation.
As I said earlier, if someone is a great prose artist it is worth paying for their reminiscing. Otherwise it is just lazy and a disservice to the reader who should have an expectation that a professional critic's ability to translate palate to prose rise about solipistic remembering.
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Andrew, the point taken.
The equation I put as an example takes slight modification: If A is equal or smaller than B, then B is equal or bigger than A, which applied to the wines in question is equal to: If El Pecado reminiscent of La Tache, La Tache may be reminiscent of El Pecado.
I stand corrected and still patiently await the critic comparing La Tache to El Pecado....as reminiscent of course! :)
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Rosania's writings: "Last night had a small number of us at one of Manhattan's most legendary "wine restaurants"* for a special dinner. After the Mt. Sinai charity event on thursday night where New Yorkers came together and raised $2 Million Dollars for the renovation of America's #1 NICU (Neo-Natal, Intensive Care Unit),** i had reason to celebrate and drink some of the world's greatest wines. Suffice to say, the men who were in attendance are certainly among the greatest and most respected and most prolific burgundy palates in all the world.*** Without question I have the least overall burgundy experience of the men who were there." you tell me if the piece smells a bit or not.
I found it odd a self proclaimed "most respected and most prolific burgundy palate" would say "I have little experience with brett." If one is prolific with any style of wine, you will know and learn of Brett. Burgundy, based on what I've read, should provide a crash course in Brettology.
If you haven't encountered Brett much, how can you be a prolific taster? And if you're not a prolific taster, how do you garner the title of most respected palate?
Great point!!
Not to mention, America's #1 NICU is at Miami Children's Hospital and nobody can convince me otherwise. I have a wonderful healthy 15 yr old daughter as proof.
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Summary: Dr J. makes another dumb statement. Lets compare a wine nobody has heard about to a wine most people cannot afford. That will bring clarity.
I have to disagree with the notion that because Rosania drinks very expensive wines he is merely showing off when he types notes, which has been implied several times. I cant afford many of those wines, not that I would buy them if I could, Burgs taste like piss water to me, but I would be buying all manner of Yquems and writing about them for the same reason I write about say Maybach. I like to share thoughts about the stuff I drink. Not knowing Rosania, or Audouze, or KA for that matter, I simply choose to believe that they write about wine because it makes them happy to. Most of us dont write as a public service anyway. Shit in my experience most humans don't do anything without secondary gain. FWIW I enjoy reading about the crazy stuff they drink as much as I enjoy reading a well crafted Pobega cab night. Its entertaining to me.
The phrase about RC being the greatest wine in the world is not boorish to me, but just silly. Any categorical statement like that is. Besides, we all know SQN is the greatest
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Humberto Dorta wrote:
Summary: Dr J. makes another dumb statement. Lets compare a wine nobody has heard about to a wine most people cannot afford. That will bring clarity.
I have to disagree with the notion that because Rosania drinks very expensive wines he is merely showing off when he types notes, which has been implied several times. I cant afford many of those wines, not that I would buy them if I could,
Humberto, thanks for the post, it enticed me to do some digging.
I adore Audouze and his wine writings, so I had to click on the link in this thread to read the writings of Rob Rosania, so I could compare apples to apples.
Audouze writings: Humorous, educational, and no boasting whatsoever. The piece of him licking the floor when Chateau Margaux bottle broke is just priceless.
Rosania's writings: "Last night had a small number of us at one of Manhattan's most legendary "wine restaurants"* for a special dinner. After the Mt. Sinai charity event on thursday night where New Yorkers came together and raised $2 Million Dollars for the renovation of America's #1 NICU (Neo-Natal, Intensive Care Unit),** i had reason to celebrate and drink some of the world's greatest wines. Suffice to say, the men who were in attendance are certainly among the greatest and most respected and most prolific burgundy palates in all the world.*** Without question I have the least overall burgundy experience of the men who were there." you tell me if the piece smells a bit or not.
Quite frankly, my perception is well expressed in this video
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I like good Mencia, but don't think of them as very "Burgundian" (though I've never had this producer- I'm more in the under $25 range- Desc. de J. Palacios, Benaza, Ventura,etc). It seems what Miller actually says is "aromas are reminiscent of a great vintage of La Tache" so I guess it's not texture. I'll be interested to see notes from others on the Pecado, though I know it's small production. In this case I was not very clear what was wrong with the wine, other than alcohol (an unusual complaint for cool climate Mencia).
I enjoy reading notes on many rare and storied wines I'll never taste. I get a lot of vicarious enjoyment (and hopefully some knowledge) from tastings notes at a higher level than I drink. I do prefer notes that say something other than magnificent, perfect, less than pristine, etc. Those descriptors might be informative to those who know the wines, but don't tell me much. I enjoy both "adjectivist" and "structuralist" styled notes, but for me it helps to have something other than just "value judgements" (which are basically similar to scores).
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Has anyone seen this KoC Rob dude and The Todd in the same place? I don't think the earth has room for both of their egos, so they must be the same person, right?
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Has anyone seen this KoC Rob dude and The Todd in the same place? I don't think the earth has room for both of their egos, so they must be the same person, right?
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Rosania's writings: "Last night had a small number of us at one of Manhattan's most legendary "wine restaurants"* for a special dinner. After the Mt. Sinai charity event on thursday night where New Yorkers came together and raised $2 Million Dollars for the renovation of America's #1 NICU (Neo-Natal, Intensive Care Unit),** i had reason to celebrate and drink some of the world's greatest wines. Suffice to say, the men who were in attendance are certainly among the greatest and most respected and most prolific burgundy palates in all the world.*** Without question I have the least overall burgundy experience of the men who were there." you tell me if the piece smells a bit or not.
I found it odd a self proclaimed "most respected and most prolific burgundy palate" would say "I have little experience with brett." If one is prolific with any style of wine, you will know and learn of Brett. Burgundy, based on what I've read, should provide a crash course in Brettology.
If you haven't encountered Brett much, how can you be a prolific taster? And if you're not a prolific taster, how do you garner the title of most respected palate?
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This fellow Jared Wagner seems to be tussling with Squires in the eBob thread. Reading between the lines, I think he posted the following in response to a Squires PM:
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I certainly do not need to apologize one bit. I was simply making an observation. If that observation bothers you and your sensibilities, I'll simply delete my post. Maybe you should do the same with the 100 posts from you in the Harlan thread where you accuse people of lying and fraud.
I wonder if Mark will delegate his banning to the great triumvirate?
This fellow Jared Wagner seems to be tussling with Squires in the eBob thread. Reading between the lines, I think he posted the following in response to a Squires PM:
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I certainly do not need to apologize one bit. I was simply making an observation. If that observation bothers you and your sensibilities, I'll simply delete my post. Maybe you should do the same with the 100 posts from you in the Harlan thread where you accuse people of lying and fraud.
I wonder if Mark will delegate his banning to the great triumvirate?
What's wrong with his post? If anything Jared brings up good points and I certainly see no reason to apologize. Because the so-called KoC has an opinion is it something that can't be challenged? Just because he can create a real estate empire means his palate is better than ours? Does he drink more legendary wines than most of us....surely, but that doesn't necessarily give him a better palate. He obviously can't detect Brett
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Kevin:
He doesn't seem to be directly responding to anyone in the thread, so my guess is that he's publicly responding to a PM from the Squire. Jousting with the Squire can get you banned, even if you're in the right...
Personally, I'm conflicted about Rob's posts. On the one hand, I find some of them interesting. And, on the other hand, I wonder if he didn't get enough attention as a child. I don't find myself reacting similarly to others of exceptional means, so clearly his delivery is a big part of the problem.
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He doesn't seem to be directly responding to anyone in the thread, so my guess is that he's publicly responding to a PM from the Squire. Jousting with the Squire can get you banned, even if you're in the right...
Posts above have been edited by a couple of posters(probably by request). The post you speak of used to actually fit in but now seems out of place. I see how you come to your point of view!
AH! That's possible also (that he's responding to a post that is gone or changed).
I saw the unedited version and I agreed with Jared's response. I also think Rob goes over the top with his opinions and obviously Jared caught heat for challenging.
Rob does have a tendency to claim everything he's associated with is THE best. I can't dispute R-C, since I've not tasted any, but he doesn't stop there.
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Rob does have a tendency to claim everything he's associated with is THE best. I can't dispute R-C, since I've not tasted any, but he doesn't stop there.
Some people drink to enjoy, some people drink to impress, I drink to undr...oh, never mind! :)
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Bruce, thank you, your original post inspired me to write better tasting notes the general public will surely enjoy.
Here is my Opus One:
Few years ago had a small number of us at Bellagio's most legendary "Penthouse" in Las Vegas for a special dinner. After the AVN Adult Entertainment Expo event in January where the best strippers, the best movie moguls, the best fluffers, came together and raised $2.5 Million Dollars for the renovation of America's #1 Chelsea STD Clinic (STD Services, Emergency Contraception, Hepatitis B Vaccine, Hepatitis A vaccine for high risk patients, Hepatitis C screening for high risk patients, HIV Counseling and Rapid Testing), i had reason to celebrate and drink some of the world's greatest wines. Suffice to say, the women who were in attendance are certainly among the greatest and most respected and most prolific women in all the world. Without question I have the least overall experience of the men who were there.
As most of you know, I drink VERY little white wine. Nevertheless, when I do it is typically either $12 a bottle the best white burgundy or The Glenfiddich Rare Collection 1937. I was treated to an incredible bottle. The bottle dates from approximately 325 A.D. This bottle was one of several found in the sarcophagus, but is the only one with the contents still preserved.
The greenish-yellow glass amphora has handles formed in the shape of dolphins.
The now emptied by me bottle is on permanent display at the Historisches Museum der Pfalz near the town of Speyer, Germany. It was amazing and even for someone who doesn't drink these on a regular basis, this was easily recognziable as simply outstanding.
We then started down the progressively aging road to "Bordeaux Xtazy". There would be no Latours or Moutons on this evening. Nevertheless, we had some magnificent 1787 Chateau Lafite Bordeaux. It was brilliant. Most at the table had never had this wine and it was exceptionally pure and brilliant to the palate. A less than brilliant 1688 Chateau Lafite Bordeaux was steps down from it's younger brother. We had a few other wines but the highlights stood apart. The 47 and 44 Cheval Blanc were both a pleasure to have. The 1901 was reconditioned at the Domaine in 1908.
A borderline "perfect" for the vintage 1633 Sociando-Mallet with impecable air-conditioned provenance was without question the best of this wine and vintage anyone at the table ever had. We would have all preferred the 1634 to the 1737, but such was life on this night. An outta this world 1819 Haut Brion was mindboggling. While the 1633 was of impeccable provenance and couldn't have been better, this 1819 didn't need that perfection to be better - it was born that way. I have only had this wine on one other occassion, but this is clearly one of the greatest wines ever produced. A less than impressive, substantially reconditioned 1723 Haut Brion couldn't hold a candle to either of it's predecessors. All present have had this wine on other occassions, and I have had it at least 7 or 18 times. This was the worst of all by a wide margin. Nevertheless, it came from the same parcel of 1633 Sociando-Mallet of which i shared a bottle with Larry Flynt which was simply incredible. With old wines, or Larry Flynt you just never know.
At the end of the evening, we were served completely blind a "naked sushi" which was according to the man who brought it (who had NEVER ate it) allegedly to be "similar to great Moulen Rouge expereince". Well, after having great Haut Brion and generally great wines from everywhere, I was very interested to try this. I had NO IDEA what was about to ensue. When someone tells you that a naked sushi is "VERY SIMILAR to GREAT Moulen Rouge" there is an expectation level which comes with it. Unfortunately, this "sushi" wasn't good. Frankly, there was NOTHING in this "sushi" of merit other than nekkid chicks. Virtually no one at the table, nor in the Las Vegas proper in general was willing to eat that "sushi". I am not a ratings guys, but this would be at the bottom of whatever rating scale you proscribe to. I was shocked to learn some have rated this "sushi" in the high 90's according to one of the table guests since it drank like a "sushi" from Place Pigal..
Here is the lesson - drink the wine, eat sushi and pay no attention to the big names.
SergE
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Alright so that was funnny Serge However, I never claimed there is no braggadocio in Rosania's writings, I just said that he seems to want to share and I find it interesting. I find other kinds of TNs more annoying, and I avoid them. Those who wax poetic about shit they know nothing about, and those who use ridiculous descriptiors like blue river stones and the dust in a South African albino elephant's trunk (Ok I made that one up, but you get the point.)
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Humberto Dorta wrote:
Alright so that was funnny Serge However, I never claimed there is no braggadocio in Rosania's writings, I just said that he seems to want to share and I find it interesting. I find other kinds of TNs more annoying, and I avoid them. Those who wax poetic about shit they know nothing about, and those who use ridiculous descriptiors like blue river stones and the dust in a South African albino elephant's trunk (Ok I made that one up, but you get the point.)
Humberto, Brad, thank you for your encouragement. I am ready to start working on my Opus Two, will you please point me to the appropriate template? I don't wanna use the same format to write up the circumstances of Hugh Hefner, James Falwell, his mother, and the Marten S. Hoekstra, UBS CEO we met on the footsteps of MGM shared the bottle of 1928 Château Latour Grand Vin
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Humberto Dorta wrote:
Alright so that was funnny Serge However, I never claimed there is no braggadocio in Rosania's writings, I just said that he seems to want to share and I find it interesting. I find other kinds of TNs more annoying, and I avoid them. Those who wax poetic about shit they know nothing about, and those who use ridiculous descriptiors like blue river stones and the dust in a South African albino elephant's trunk (Ok I made that one up, but you get the point.)
Heretofore notwithstanding, nevertheless that is affirmative!
There wouldn´t have been a problem if Jay did write it smells like a top Vosne Romanée. DRC/La Tache is a holy cow.
There wouldn´t have been a problem if the comparison did come from Schildknecht. Miller is the enemy for many. But those say Miller and mean Parker.
There wouldn´t have been a problem if more people be aware that the most expensive wines are not expensive due to their unique quality but due to their image.
There wouldn´t have been a problem if specific people focus on wines quality alone and have no interest in speculation and manipulation.
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Jürgen Steinke wrote:
My guesses:
There wouldn´t have been a problem if Jay did write it smells like a top Vosne Romanée. DRC/La Tache is a holy cow.
There wouldn´t have been a problem if the comparison did come from Schildknecht. Miller is the enemy for many. But those say Miller and mean Parker.
There wouldn´t have been a problem if more people be aware that the most expensive wines are not expensive due to their unique quality but due to their image.
There wouldn´t have been a problem if specific people focus on wines quality alone and have no interest in speculation and manipulation.
Indeed.
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