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Post #51  Postby Jim Clary » March 24th 2014, 1:16pm

Ken V wrote:
Brady Daniels wrote:Isn't a new glossy magazine a really big investment? I mean like likely way beyond what the investment group paid for TWA?

Seems really risky to me. I am sure Marvin Shanken will look on with great interest, and redeploy assets as needed. Could be really interesting.

This is not a WA venture, but an RP one separate from the WA.


What makes you say that? It would seem odd that the new ownership would allow Bob to use his name in a venture without their involvement. Wondering if I missed something in the announcement. He says "separate and apart from TWA," but then says "we."
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Post #52  Postby Tom Mann » March 24th 2014, 2:04pm

Well we'll see what happens in a few days when he announces more..

At the moment it seems like the new ownership is cramming as much in as possible whilst Parker is still tasting and still has a goodly amount of commercial influence.
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Post #53  Postby Mason H » March 24th 2014, 2:33pm

1984 called and they want their business model back...

I happen enjoy Parker's writing, though I don't always agree with him. But a Magazine? In 2014? If this was announced on April 1st, I would have made sense.
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Post #54  Postby Peter Kleban » March 24th 2014, 2:44pm

Scott G r u n e r wrote:I'll wait for the mobile app. Should only be about 5 years out.


No, they're planning to wait until cellphones are obsolete.
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Post #55  Postby Peter Kleban » March 24th 2014, 2:48pm

Jim Brennan wrote:Wow, I forgot about this NYT book review... http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/07/books ... NDRAL.html

Covers nearly everything that ever needed to be said about Parker.



Hey, great book review. That guy can really write

ROBERT M. PARKER Jr., wine cop to the world, is a polarizing figure whose fierce judgments are echoed by the ferocity of his advocates and opponents.


and he has a brain

McCoy also shows that if it weren't for the French, Parker would be up the Garonne without a paddle. It was thanks to Peynaud's expertise that Parker developed his breakthrough advocacy of the 1982 Bordeaux vintage.


Have to look up some of his wine articles...
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Post #56  Postby Ken V » March 24th 2014, 6:17pm

Jim Clary wrote:
Ken V wrote:
Brady Daniels wrote:Isn't a new glossy magazine a really big investment? I mean like likely way beyond what the investment group paid for TWA?

Seems really risky to me. I am sure Marvin Shanken will look on with great interest, and redeploy assets as needed. Could be really interesting.

This is not a WA venture, but an RP one separate from the WA.


What makes you say that? It would seem odd that the new ownership would allow Bob to use his name in a venture without their involvement. Wondering if I missed something in the announcement. He says "separate and apart from TWA," but then says "we."

Maybe I'm wrong, but that's the way I interpreted the "Separate and apart from TWA..." comment, since the WA is the business he sold.
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Post #57  Postby John D. Zuccarino » March 24th 2014, 6:53pm

All the attorneys nobody mentioned the obvious ... He has a non compete clause that runs years I am sure ... So it has to be very much not competition to TWA in any way ... He probably had to have it approved before he wanted to get started...

I was involved in a magazine in NYC as a consultant because they all lose money , so much money... The cost of a glossy mag per issue back in 1995 was $300,000 on a thin budget ... Today a venture like this cost millions in capital and is obviously very high risk, very high risk deals from major players inc Oprah who went on to sink 500 000 000 into her project as the river of red inc flowed... Look it's a business, if you know how to run one you can usually figure out another the question is how deep are your pockets... Parker's deal may have been for a payout over many years rather than one lump sum... If that is the case he will get a very big tax write off and the gov could find his new venture.. This is the financial planner in me and its all speculation ... Pure banter ...


The concept is so old school, it just might work ...

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Post #58  Postby Brian G r a f s t r o m » March 24th 2014, 8:29pm

This very thread may very well be the best advertisement for the new magazine. To that end, "you're welcome, Bobby." [cheers.gif]
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Post #59  Postby ecoley » March 24th 2014, 9:08pm

John, Oprah is not a good example here. Oprah's magazine is published by Hearst. She spends $0 on it and has reaped 10's of millions. Makes (or made) a lot for Hearst, too.
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Post #60  Postby John D. Zuccarino » March 24th 2014, 9:41pm

ecoley wrote:John, Oprah is not a good example here. Oprah's magazine is published by Hearst. She spends $0 on it and has reaped 10's of millions. Makes (or made) a lot for Hearst, too.


Not the mag the network ... Lol... Just saying when you go into different businesses the learning curve is expensive ,it took very deep pockets to make it ... I think he will be fine and this mag works... It's so retro and in a weird way his brand is retro ... So now in vogue ...

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Post #61  Postby M A T T H A R T L E Y » March 25th 2014, 10:15am

John D. Zuccarino wrote:
ecoley wrote:John, Oprah is not a good example here. Oprah's magazine is published by Hearst. She spends $0 on it and has reaped 10's of millions. Makes (or made) a lot for Hearst, too.


Not the mag the network ... Lol... Just saying when you go into different businesses the learning curve is expensive ,it took very deep pockets to make it ... I think he will be fine and this mag works... It's so retro and in a weird way his brand is retro ... So now in vogue ...

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Post #62  Postby A.Altman » March 25th 2014, 10:34am

Wow, this isn't a mock thread.

Mind = blown.
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Post #63  Postby Ken V » March 25th 2014, 5:19pm

A little more info in this Wine Searcher article:

http://www.wine-searcher.com/m/2014/03/ ... estyle-mag
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Post #64  Postby Ron Kramer » March 25th 2014, 5:34pm

Ken V wrote:A little more info in this Wine Searcher article:

http://www.wine-searcher.com/m/2014/03/ ... estyle-mag



I had originally thought RP got $10M but it seems he got $15M

http://www.wine-searcher.com/m/2012/12/ ... 15-million
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Post #65  Postby Larry P » March 25th 2014, 5:45pm

Ken V wrote:A little more info in this Wine Searcher article:

http://www.wine-searcher.com/m/2014/03/ ... estyle-mag


Hmmm...

The Wine Advocate (TWA) publication has signed a deal with publishers Hubert Burda Media to publish the new international lifestyle magazine for "high net-worth individuals and corporate leaders", which will be called 100 Points by Robert Parker.
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It appears that the new quarterly’s remit will go well beyond wine into articles and reviews of other "lifestyle products, services and experiences". It will, of course, cover wine but "will not comment on, critique or evaluate wines"
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"The shape and form of TWA will remain an independent vehicle, providing ... unbiased reports and tasting notes," Lim said.


So this mag isn't being bankrolled by Parker, but by the investors which bought TWA, and will therefore be "independent" of TWA in that, it will be printed on a different kind of paper?
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Post #66  Postby Jim V a n P e l t » March 25th 2014, 8:37pm

Scott G r u n e r wrote:I'll wait for the mobile app. Should only be about 10+ years out.

Corrected;)

Seriously though, this idea makes little if any sense to me. It would be an uphill battle to displace, say Conde Naste or Andrew Harper, even Fodors and Frommers, for destination reviews. That's just the first example off the top of my head. But I guess there are some folks who rely on the Robb Report for their info re: high-end cars, watches, etc. The parallel between the RR and RP would be writers with only modest expertise in the subject matter compared to experts in the field. So who knows. I guess stranger things have happened!
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Post #67  Postby Todd F r e n c h » March 25th 2014, 9:13pm

Magazines are funded by advertisers, not subscribers...
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Post #68  Postby Nancy Dolce » March 25th 2014, 9:25pm

Todd F r e n c h wrote:Magazines are funded by advertisers, not subscribers...


Advertisers only fund magazines if they know they will be rewarded generously by purchases from the subscribers.
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Post #69  Postby jcoley3 » March 25th 2014, 9:45pm

Nancy Dolce wrote:
Todd F r e n c h wrote:Magazines are funded by advertisers, not subscribers...


Advertisers only fund magazines if they know they will be rewarded generously by purchases from the subscribers.


And subscribers only buy magazines if they think they are getting great content.

Oops.

Has anyone ever relied on Parker or the Wine Advocate for anything except wine suggestions and Bryan Flannery beef? I'm not sure who thinks the world is waiting for the lifestyle suggestions of an aging wine critic in fading health, but God knows they should never, ever put a photo of RMP in his current state in the magazine if they want to sell copy. That may make me sound like a d--k, but it's the simple truth. If he's the end result of the 100 point lifestyle, I will be satisfied with the 89+ points life and not looking like a minor cast member from Lost years before I should.
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Post #70  Postby Eric LeVine » March 25th 2014, 11:17pm

Reporting is so sloppy. http://www.wine-searcher.com/m/2014/03/ ... estyle-mag
Wine-Searcher wrote:The magazine launch has been pushed back to June when it will be unveiled in London at a series of promotional events hosted by Parker, his first visit to London in nearly a quarter of a century.

One need only look on Facebook (I am not telling you where) to find evidence that Bob was in London in 2008.

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Post #71  Postby Nancy Dolce » March 25th 2014, 11:20pm

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Post #72  Postby Jim V a n P e l t » March 26th 2014, 12:22am

Todd F r e n c h wrote:Magazines are funded by advertisers, not subscribers...


Yes but...advertisers follow and pay for subscribers/viewers......and I struggle to figure out who's going to subscribe to or view this new venture.
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Post #73  Postby Brady Daniels » March 26th 2014, 1:37am

Larry P wrote:So this mag isn't being bankrolled by Parker, but by the investors which bought TWA, and will therefore be "independent" of TWA in that, it will be printed on a different kind of paper?

Actually, it seems likely that Hubert Burda Media are bankrolling this. According to Wikipedia:
Today, it is among Europe's largest publishers and leading consumer-internet companies. Burda is headquartered in Offenburg and Munich and employs close to 10,000 people globally.

I suspect they are bigger than say, Shanken Communications, or CurtCo Robb Media. Fascinating, and maybe not quite as chuckle-worthy as some here think.
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Post #74  Postby Todd F r e n c h » March 26th 2014, 8:34am

Eric LeVine wrote:Reporting is so sloppy. http://www.wine-searcher.com/m/2014/03/ ... estyle-mag
Wine-Searcher wrote:The magazine launch has been pushed back to June when it will be unveiled in London at a series of promotional events hosted by Parker, his first visit to London in nearly a quarter of a century.

One need only look on Facebook (I am not telling you where) to find evidence that Bob was in London in 2008.

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Then we can put all this together and determine that the magazine is launching on MyWines time, thus the first issue is 2033.
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Post #75  Postby Roberto Rogness » March 26th 2014, 1:42pm

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Post #76  Postby Larry Stein » March 26th 2014, 2:14pm

I'm 93 points on 100 Points. pileon [scratch.gif]
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Post #78  Postby Peter Kleban » March 27th 2014, 11:29am

Roberto Rogness wrote:LA times on this:

http://www.latimes.com/food/dailydish/l ... =hootsuite


That article links to this one which has a nice quote from an RMP rant on eBob:

And then he went on to write regarding wine bloggers: “Few ... make a living from their sites, largely because many of them are 1) lazy, 2) have narrow agendas, 3) offer little in the way of content and substance, 4) appear to be constantly whining about the failure to monetize their sites, or 5) are the antitheses of consumer advocates.” He called them “false prophets of doom” and the low-alcohol movement “essentially a phony anti-California, anti-New World movement by Eurocentric, self-proclaimed purists.”

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Post #79  Postby Todd F r e n c h » March 27th 2014, 11:31am

Peter Kleban wrote:
Roberto Rogness wrote:LA times on this:

http://www.latimes.com/food/dailydish/l ... =hootsuite


That article links to this one which has a nice quote from an RMP rant on eBob:

And then he went on to write regarding wine bloggers: “Few ... make a living from their sites, largely because many of them are 1) lazy, 2) have narrow agendas, 3) offer little in the way of content and substance, 4) appear to be constantly whining about the failure to monetize their sites, or 5) are the antitheses of consumer advocates.” He called them “false prophets of doom” and the low-alcohol movement “essentially a phony anti-California, anti-New World movement by Eurocentric, self-proclaimed purists.”

http://www.latimes.com/food/dailydish/l ... z2xBjIyJbj


(as if we needed more proof of his attitude)

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Post #80  Postby Larry P » March 27th 2014, 11:42am

Todd, man, constantly whining doesn't help either. hitsfan
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Post #81  Postby Ken V » March 27th 2014, 11:58am

Todd F r e n c h wrote:Thus my new signature is born...

You're a wine blogger? [scratch.gif]
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Post #82  Postby Todd F r e n c h » March 27th 2014, 12:05pm

Ken V wrote:
Todd F r e n c h wrote:Thus my new signature is born...

You're a wine blogger? [scratch.gif]

According to most people's classification, including RMPs, anyone who writes notes on a forum is a 'blogger', plus, I have written blog articles for the static pages, yes, though his reference is (to me) a thinly veiled cut at WB, the only 'wine blog' that is a banned word on his forum.
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Post #83  Postby Bruce G » March 27th 2014, 4:38pm

This, from the eBob board, via Lisa P-B, is a PR release from Burda Asia (publishers of the up-coming mag):

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“Burda International is delighted to announce the creation of a new lifestyle magazine '100 Points by Robert Parker'. Crafted for readers whose lives embody quality, exclusivity, originality and curiosity, '100 Points by Robert Parker' understands the intelligence of a discerning audience of accomplished connoisseurs that appreciates the finer things in life, including a genuine interest in wine, and for who time to indulge their passions and pastimes is the ultimate luxury.

This glossy quarterly is not a magazine about wine. Instead, it celebrates points of view – beyond viticulture and oenology - in an elegant, contemporary environment. Often inspired by the pursuits and interests of Robert Parker away from his role as a wine critic, this is content that stimulates, provokes, and ultimately entertains.

Launching in June 2013, the quarterly magazine will be available via subscription, initially in a print format. Subscription details will be available soon.

The title will be published and managed by Burda International, a division of Germany-based Hubert Burda Media.

The Wine Advocate will remain an independent vehicle providing detailed consumer advice, unbiased reports and tasting notes.”

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Post #84  Postby Roberto Rogness » March 27th 2014, 4:51pm

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Post #85  Postby Todd F r e n c h » March 27th 2014, 5:06pm

Bruce G wrote:This, from the eBob board, via Lisa P-B, is a PR release from Burda Asia (publishers of the up-coming mag):

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“Burda International is delighted to announce the creation of a new lifestyle magazine '100 Points by Robert Parker'. Crafted for readers whose lives embody quality, exclusivity, originality and curiosity, '100 Points by Robert Parker' understands the intelligence of a discerning audience of accomplished connoisseurs that appreciates the finer things in life, including a genuine interest in wine, and for who time to indulge their passions and pastimes is the ultimate luxury.

This glossy quarterly is not a magazine about wine. Instead, it celebrates points of view – beyond viticulture and oenology - in an elegant, contemporary environment. Often inspired by the pursuits and interests of Robert Parker away from his role as a wine critic, this is content that stimulates, provokes, and ultimately entertains.

Launching in June 2013, the quarterly magazine will be available via subscription, initially in a print format. Subscription details will be available soon.

The title will be published and managed by Burda International, a division of Germany-based Hubert Burda Media.

The Wine Advocate will remain an independent vehicle providing detailed consumer advice, unbiased reports and tasting notes.”

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To admin: If you think that posting this will get you in trouble with Mr. Parker's lawyers, please feel free to terminate it (with extreme prejudice).

Bruce, let WA pay their attorneys to send me an email asking to remove it - I'm not worried. It's a press release, and we're press, so...
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Post #86  Postby T. Melloni » March 27th 2014, 5:12pm

Bruce G wrote:This, from the eBob board, via Lisa P-B, is a PR release from Burda Asia (publishers of the up-coming mag):

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“Burda International is delighted to announce the creation of a new lifestyle magazine '100 Points by Robert Parker'. Crafted for readers whose lives embody quality, exclusivity, originality and curiosity, '100 Points by Robert Parker' understands the intelligence of a discerning audience of accomplished connoisseurs that appreciates the finer things in life, including a genuine interest in wine, and for who time to indulge their passions and pastimes is the ultimate luxury.

This glossy quarterly is not a magazine about wine. Instead, it celebrates points of view – beyond viticulture and oenology - in an elegant, contemporary environment. Often inspired by the pursuits and interests of Robert Parker away from his role as a wine critic, this is content that stimulates, provokes, and ultimately entertains.

Launching in June 2013, the quarterly magazine will be available via subscription, initially in a print format. Subscription details will be available soon.

The title will be published and managed by Burda International, a division of Germany-based Hubert Burda Media.

The Wine Advocate will remain an independent vehicle providing detailed consumer advice, unbiased reports and tasting notes.”

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Did they mean June 2014?
Is someone proofing their press release? They are in the business of publishing, right?
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Post #87  Postby Todd F r e n c h » March 27th 2014, 5:19pm

T. Melloni wrote:
Bruce G wrote:This, from the eBob board, via Lisa P-B, is a PR release from Burda Asia (publishers of the up-coming mag):

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“Burda International is delighted to announce the creation of a new lifestyle magazine '100 Points by Robert Parker'. Crafted for readers whose lives embody quality, exclusivity, originality and curiosity, '100 Points by Robert Parker' understands the intelligence of a discerning audience of accomplished connoisseurs that appreciates the finer things in life, including a genuine interest in wine, and for who time to indulge their passions and pastimes is the ultimate luxury.

This glossy quarterly is not a magazine about wine. Instead, it celebrates points of view – beyond viticulture and oenology - in an elegant, contemporary environment. Often inspired by the pursuits and interests of Robert Parker away from his role as a wine critic, this is content that stimulates, provokes, and ultimately entertains.

Launching in June 2013, the quarterly magazine will be available via subscription, initially in a print format. Subscription details will be available soon.

The title will be published and managed by Burda International, a division of Germany-based Hubert Burda Media.

The Wine Advocate will remain an independent vehicle providing detailed consumer advice, unbiased reports and tasting notes.”

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To admin: If you think that posting this will get you in trouble with Mr. Parker's lawyers, please feel free to terminate it (with extreme prejudice).


Did they mean June 2014?
Is someone proofing their press release? The are in the business of publishing, right?

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Post #88  Postby jcoley3 » March 27th 2014, 5:28pm

PR Hack wrote:Often inspired by the pursuits and interests of Robert Parker away from his role as a wine critic, this is content that stimulates, provokes, and ultimately entertains.


Nothing, but nothing will ever quite give me the morbid pleasure that I derive from press releases and corporate-speak. Couldn't they have found a way to "provide solutions," too?
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Post #89  Postby Peter Tryba » March 27th 2014, 5:30pm

Hey, close enough. Same schedule as the pdf and MyWines.
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Post #90  Postby WvanGorp » March 27th 2014, 6:05pm

Peter Tryba wrote:Hey, close enough. Same schedule as the pdf and MyWines.


That's what I was going to say; validates the term "Freudian slip."
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Post #91  Postby Eric LeVine » March 27th 2014, 6:30pm

Peter Tryba wrote:Hey, close enough. Same schedule as the pdf and MyWines.

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Post #93  Postby Mike Evans » March 28th 2014, 5:45am

If they can't be bothered to gush about how they are leveraging synergies, I have no use for them.
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Mike Evans wrote:If they can't be bothered to gush about how they are leveraging synergies, I have no use for them.

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Post #95  Postby Ken V » March 28th 2014, 7:16am

T. Melloni wrote:Did they mean June 2014?
Is someone proofing their press release? They are in the business of publishing, right?

Luckily, you are not. ;)

FWIW that was written by The Editor of The Wine Advocate.
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Post #96  Postby T. Melloni » March 28th 2014, 7:56am

Ken V wrote:
T. Melloni wrote:Did they mean June 2014?
Is someone proofing their press release? They are in the business of publishing, right?

Luckily, you are not. ;)

FWIW that was written by The Editor of The Wine Advocate.

Funny how I corrected that before I scrolled down to read your post.
And we all know that people "blogging" on wine boards are lazy, right? At least that's what I read somewhere.
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Post #97  Postby Todd F r e n c h » March 28th 2014, 8:02am

T. Melloni wrote:
Ken V wrote:
T. Melloni wrote:Did they mean June 2014?
Is someone proofing their press release? They are in the business of publishing, right?

Luckily, you are not. ;)

FWIW that was written by The Editor of The Wine Advocate.

Funny how I corrected that before I scrolled down to read your post.
And we all know that people "blogging" on wine boards are lazy, have a narrow agenda, and offer little in the way of content and substance right? At least that's what I read somewhere.

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Post #98  Postby Bruce G » March 28th 2014, 4:01pm

Ken V wrote:FWIW that was written by The Editor of The Wine Advocate.


Not sure what this means, but to clarify: the portion of my post that was italicized was apparently written by one Julie Sherborn, the CEO of Burda Asia, desribed by Lisa P-B as "our partner in this endeavour and the person in charge of the project".
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Post #99  Postby GregT » March 29th 2014, 7:07am

and for who time to indulge their passions and pastimes is the ultimate luxury.

This is eloquently stated.

Burda is a zillionaire German guy who can write off the costs of this magazine without sweating too much. But the press release comes from Lisa, so it's the WA, not Parker, which makes me think the idea is to create something that will outlive him. No clue what the thinking is other than perhaps they're hoping to get him to contribute something from time to time and how better to do that than to name it after him?

Maybe there are people who collect expensive watches who want opinions from someone who doesn't know from watches? I think Forbes had a magazine that was supposed to be like this one - called Egg or something like that. Malcolm took some losses and closed down. He's no longer around but we have Trump. This even seems more like a Trump project more than a WA project. And didn't Trump actually try something like that as well?
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Post #100  Postby WvanGorp » March 29th 2014, 8:23am

Its a bit of an odd move, as someone early on pointed out that print magazines aren't particularly thriving, economically.

One of the things Bob does know about, btw, is fine watches; he is into chronographs and fine watches. Don't let the "I'm just a hick from Monkton" fool you on that score.

Not sure what he knows about other things, but if you engage him about fine watches, he's quite in the know.
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