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Learning French wine villages

Post #1  Postby Ally O. » October 18th 2011, 8:14am

Any tips on memorizing the various villages of Burgundy/Bordeaux. It's one thing to know the various wine regions but the various villages and chateaus are giving me a major headache. French wine labels are somewhat frustrating for me and I think memorizing would help with interpretation. I have books as resources, but I don't always have them handy when out. As many of you know, the very informative wine books (especially ones containing info on French wines) are pretty cumbersome. [pwn.gif]
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Post #2  Postby JKim » October 18th 2011, 9:20am

You're right, they are confusing and hard to remember sometimes. I would recommend some books, but books won't help you if you're out and about. It'll just take some time. I usually reference back to maps of the region, but some of the smaller climats are difficult to remember. This intellectual exercise and discovery is actually one of the reasons I love Burgundy...well that and I love the wines. The different producers and vineyards will come with more tastings and experience, it sounds like you're already enjoying the journey. [cheers.gif]
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Post #3  Postby Henry Kiichli » October 18th 2011, 9:30am

Cheers!
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Post #4  Postby Ally O. » October 18th 2011, 10:07am

JKim wrote: This intellectual exercise and discovery is actually one of the reasons I love Burgundy...well that and I love the wines.


Cheers to that! That's the only reason I am racking my brain trying to learn about it. Maps seem like a good idea too. I have a few. I love Andrea Immer's climate map (though that doesn't help for the French wine region memorization).
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Post #5  Postby Ally O. » October 18th 2011, 10:11am



Super useful! Thanks. [cheers.gif]
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Post #6  Postby Mike de Lange » October 28th 2011, 12:24am

WARNING:

the jeux-geographiques game is extremely addictive!!!
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Post #7  Postby paul hanna » October 28th 2011, 9:07pm

Ally,

Just remember Vosne and Chambolle, they are the 2 "Sexy" burgundy regions, and you'll be fine....
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Post #8  Postby Steve Slatcher » October 30th 2011, 3:23pm

I think you have two choices. Work out some meaningles mnemonic, or put in the effort to really understand the villages through maps, images and reading. By far the best way, though a little easier for someone my side of the Atlantic, is to go and visit! Then they suddenly become more than abstract names.
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Post #9  Postby bweimer » October 30th 2011, 4:58pm

For the major Cotes de Nuits villages from north to south, I remember GMC VaN.
Gevrey-Chambertin
Morey St. Denis
Chambolle-Musigny
Vosne
Nuits St. Georges
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Post #10  Postby David K o l i n » October 30th 2011, 5:42pm

Steve Slatcher wrote: Then they suddenly become more than abstract names.


Best advice. Someone has to do it
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Post #11  Postby Ally O. » October 31st 2011, 8:45am

Yes, visiting would be ideal...and it is something I plan to do eventually. I'm much more of a hands on learner anyway.

Vosne and Chambolle sexy...I can remember that!
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Post #12  Postby Peter Kleban » October 31st 2011, 9:30am

Mike de Lange wrote:WARNING:

the jeux-geographiques game is extremely addictive!!!


And how! Not only that, it's damned hard. So many vineyard names...
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Post #13  Postby Peter Kleban » October 31st 2011, 7:12pm

Peter Kleban wrote:
Mike de Lange wrote:WARNING:

the jeux-geographiques game is extremely addictive!!!


And how! Not only that, it's damned hard. So many vineyard names...


Well, I'm up to a score of 44,000. Don't ask how many times I played. Fun, but full of obscure vineyards I never heard of, never mind tasted the wines. Great way to waste time!!
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Post #14  Postby Guillaume Deschamps » November 12th 2011, 10:05am

In Burgundy, looking at maps helped me a lot, but I simply remember a lot better areas I've really looked into (like Côte de Nuits villages) rather than areas I wasn't so motivated about (e.g. Côte de Beaune: I'm sure I could work out from memory where Volnay, Pommard and Meursault are relative to each other, but I just don't care all that much).

In Bordeaux, start by remembering what's right bank (St-Emilion, Pomerol) and what's left bank (Pauillac, Margaux, Graves/Pessac-Léognan, St-Julien, St-Estèphe), then the major châteaux in each appellation, etc. It comes with time. As usual, practice makes perfect :)
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Post #15  Postby Ally O. » November 17th 2011, 9:45am

I've printed some maps to hopefully put to memory when I get the chance. The villages are getting easier, but the chateaux are a project!
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Post #16  Postby Guillaume Deschamps » November 17th 2011, 10:48am

Ally O. wrote:but the chateaux are a project!


just try to remember the ones you can afford and it'll suddenly become a lot easier [whistle.gif]
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Post #17  Postby Ally O. » November 17th 2011, 10:58am

Yeah Guillaume, that actually really narrows it down for ME!! haha...
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Post #18  Postby Guillaume Deschamps » November 17th 2011, 11:11am

Ally O. wrote:Yeah Guillaume, that actually really narrows it down for ME!! haha...


For me too. Valuable memory space is being used up by names of châteaux I'll never drink again :)
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Post #19  Postby T. Robert Tassin » January 23rd 2012, 7:56pm

That subway map is great, for some reason having it laid out like that makes it a lot easier to commit to memory. Thanks!
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Post #20  Postby Henry Kiichli » January 25th 2012, 12:16pm

T. Robert Tassin wrote:That subway map is great, for some reason having it laid out like that makes it a lot easier to commit to memory. Thanks!



Hi Robert,

You're welcome, and



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Post #21  Postby Jonathan Loesberg » March 21st 2012, 6:13am

I'm more a Rhone than a Burgundy person, so I'm probably not the best person to respond. Visiting is the best way. My knowledge of where vineyards are has increased exponentially by visiting them after visiting a vigneron where I tasted a wine from that vineyard. I think one could probably get the same effect by having a map in front of you as you taste wines and making a point of identifying the village you are drinking. I don't recommend trying to memorize as you would the multiplication tables. It's not that one can't do that, but it's exactly the form of knowledge that isn't useful. You want to identify tastes with places, not have a taxonomic knowledge.
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Post #22  Postby SteveC » March 23rd 2012, 12:36pm

T. Robert Tassin wrote:That subway map is great, for some reason having it laid out like that makes it a lot easier to commit to memory. Thanks!


Quite ingenious, I must say!
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Post #23  Postby SteveC » March 26th 2012, 5:00am

T. Robert Tassin wrote:That subway map is great, for some reason having it laid out like that makes it a lot easier to commit to memory. Thanks!


Agreed. I love the subway map format!
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Post #24  Postby Mark.Ricca » March 29th 2012, 10:34am

BB&R (Berry Bros. & Rudd) has a great website with a lot of info on it.

This is always fun:

http://www.bbr.com/wine-knowledge/game
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Post #25  Postby Guillaume Deschamps » March 30th 2012, 5:46am

Funny game, the Burgundy 1er vs grand crus part is so easy if you know the trick :)

And the Bordeaux growth one... my average went way down because of it [soap.gif]
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Post #26  Postby SteveC » March 30th 2012, 8:13am

Mark.Ricca wrote:BB&R (Berry Bros. & Rudd) has a great website with a lot of info on it.

This is always fun:

http://www.bbr.com/wine-knowledge/game


That is fun(amnd a bit humbling as well)
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