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Post #1  Postby C. Bowman » July 14th 2010, 8:38pm

Half bottle/Split 375 milliliters 750 750 milliliters, standard bottle size Magnum 1.5 liters / 2 bottles Jeroboam 3 liters / 4 bottles Double Magnum 3 liters / 4 bottles Rehoboam 4.5 liters / 6 bottles Methusalah 6 liters (term used for sparkling wine) Imperial 6 liters / 8 bottles (term for still wine) Salmanazar 9 liters / 12 bottles Balthazar 12 liters / 16 bottles Nebuchadnezzar 15 liters / 20 bottles (used for Berserkerfest sipping) Soverign 50 liters / 67 bottles
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Post #2  Postby davetong » July 14th 2010, 8:57pm

I thought 'split' more commonly referred to a 187ml quarter bottle?
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Post #3  Postby Tyler Rico » July 14th 2010, 9:05pm

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Post #4  Postby Eric Keating » July 15th 2010, 12:22am

[quote="C. Bowman"]Half bottle/Split 375 milliliters 750 750 milliliters, standard bottle size Magnum 1.5 liters / 2 bottles Jeroboam 3 liters / 4 bottles Double Magnum 3 liters / 4 bottles Rehoboam 4.5 liters / 6 bottles Methusalah 6 liters (term used for sparkling wine) Imperial 6 liters / 8 bottles (term for still wine) Salmanazar 9 liters / 12 bottles Balthazar 12 liters / 16 bottles Nebuchadnezzar 15 liters / 20 bottles (used for Berserkerfest sipping) Soverign 50 liters / 67 bottles
Oh great. So now instead of saying, "Let's open up another bottle of wine," I have to say, "Hey, let's open up another standard bottle size of wine." This business is complicated.
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Post #5  Postby Neal.Mollen » July 15th 2010, 5:30am

[quote="davetong"]I thought 'split' more commonly referred to a 187ml quarter bottle?
Commonly, and confusingly, used for both sizes. I was taught a split was 375 (a "split 750") and because that is the usage I learned, it is plainly the correct one. "[drinkers.gif]" But I have often been "corrected" by the misinformed. Nice forum, by the way. Just noticed it.
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Post #6  Postby Linda Baehr » July 15th 2010, 6:21am

[quote="Neal.Mollen"][quote="davetong"]I thought 'split' more commonly referred to a 187ml quarter bottle?
Commonly, and confusingly, used for both sizes. I was taught a split was 375 (a "split 750") and because that is the usage I learned, it is plainly the correct one. "[drinkers.gif]" But I have often been "corrected" by the misinformed. Nice forum, by the way. Just noticed it.
I have never heard that term used for a 187. Who can drink a bottle that tiny anyway? "[cheers.gif]"
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Post #7  Postby Jorge Henriquez » July 15th 2010, 6:53am

[quote="Linda Baehr"][quote="Neal.Mollen"][quote="davetong"]I thought 'split' more commonly referred to a 187ml quarter bottle?
Commonly, and confusingly, used for both sizes. I was taught a split was 375 (a "split 750") and because that is the usage I learned, it is plainly the correct one. "[drinkers.gif]" But I have often been "corrected" by the misinformed. Nice forum, by the way. Just noticed it.
I have never heard that term used for a 187. Who can drink a bottle that tiny anyway? "[cheers.gif]"
It's actually "standard bottle size" for Zach & Yoni.
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Post #8  Postby Bill Tex Landreth » July 15th 2010, 6:54am

[quote="Jorge Henriquez"][quote="Linda Baehr"][quote="Neal.Mollen"][quote="davetong"]I thought 'split' more commonly referred to a 187ml quarter bottle?
Commonly, and confusingly, used for both sizes. I was taught a split was 375 (a "split 750") and because that is the usage I learned, it is plainly the correct one. "[drinkers.gif]" But I have often been "corrected" by the misinformed. Nice forum, by the way. Just noticed it.
I have never heard that term used for a 187. Who can drink a bottle that tiny anyway? "[cheers.gif]"
It's actually "standard bottle size" for Zach & Yoni.
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Post #9  Postby R@y.Tupp@+sch » July 15th 2010, 8:07am

Jeroboam is 5 liters in Bordeaux Methusalah is used for Burgundy as well. Melchior 18 liters [quote="C. Bowman"]Half bottle/Split 375 milliliters 750 750 milliliters, standard bottle size Magnum 1.5 liters / 2 bottles Jeroboam 3 liters / 4 bottles Double Magnum 3 liters / 4 bottles Rehoboam 4.5 liters / 6 bottles Methusalah 6 liters (term used for sparkling wine) Imperial 6 liters / 8 bottles (term for still wine) Salmanazar 9 liters / 12 bottles Balthazar 12 liters / 16 bottles Nebuchadnezzar 15 liters / 20 bottles (used for Berserkerfest sipping) Soverign 50 liters / 67 bottles
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Post #10  Postby Sean Reed » July 15th 2010, 8:13am

[quote="davetong"]I thought 'split' more commonly referred to a 187ml quarter bottle?
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Post #11  Postby Jorge Henriquez » July 15th 2010, 8:24am

This should help:
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Post #12  Postby C. Bowman » July 15th 2010, 8:55am

I've not heard "split" used for 187. I cut and pasted from a wine info web site, except for the berserker bottle "newhere"
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Post #13  Postby Jorge Henriquez » July 15th 2010, 9:01am

Carrie, see chart above. Also, if you're referring to Leo's NY bottle, the Taittinger Francaise, I believe it was a 12 Liter....a Balthazar.
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Post #14  Postby Mike Grammer » July 15th 2010, 11:16am

That's a great chart, thanks Jorge---and thanks Carrie for starting this thread. I didn't know (though I should have guessed) that there were bottle names for 500 ml and 620ml bottles (yes, I've had 500ml Tokaji and 620 ml Vin Jaune bottles before). I don't see one there for a 200ml bottle, which one of our icewine producers uses. I was looking for Solomon and Primat designations and see them here. Rather amusingly, the 30-litre "Melchizedek" translates roughly as "King of Righteousness".
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Post #15  Postby John Danza » July 15th 2010, 11:18am

[quote="Ray.Tuppatsch"]Jeroboam is 5 liters in Bordeaux Methusalah is used for Burgundy as well. Melchior 18 liters [quote="C. Bowman"]Half bottle/Split 375 milliliters 750 750 milliliters, standard bottle size Magnum 1.5 liters / 2 bottles Jeroboam 3 liters / 4 bottles Double Magnum 3 liters / 4 bottles Rehoboam 4.5 liters / 6 bottles Methusalah 6 liters (term used for sparkling wine) Imperial 6 liters / 8 bottles (term for still wine) Salmanazar 9 liters / 12 bottles Balthazar 12 liters / 16 bottles Nebuchadnezzar 15 liters / 20 bottles (used for Berserkerfest sipping) Soverign 50 liters / 67 bottles
+1 Jeroboam is only 4 bottles in sparklers/Champagne.
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Post #16  Postby John Danza » July 15th 2010, 11:19am

I don't have the info in front of me, but I believe that in the 19th century there was a "tregnum" or something of the like. This was a three-bottle size.
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Post #17  Postby Jorge Henriquez » July 15th 2010, 11:33am

[quote="John Danza"]I don't have the info in front of me, but I believe that in the 19th century there was a "tregnum" or something of the like. This was a three-bottle size.
Correct. It's shown on the chart.
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Post #18  Postby Brent C l a y t o n » July 15th 2010, 12:01pm

[quote="Sean Reed"][quote="davetong"]I thought 'split' more commonly referred to a 187ml quarter bottle?
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Post #19  Postby Faryan Amir-Ghassem¡ » July 15th 2010, 1:32pm

Large format names vary from region. Split imo is 187 (champagne splits).
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Post #20  Postby John Danza » July 15th 2010, 8:14pm

[quote="Jorge Henriquez"][quote="John Danza"]I don't have the info in front of me, but I believe that in the 19th century there was a "tregnum" or something of the like. This was a three-bottle size.
Correct. It's shown on the chart.
I mentioned it because it's not on Carrie's chart at the beginning of the thread.
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Post #21  Postby Jorge Henriquez » July 16th 2010, 8:04am

Sorry, I meant on the chart I posted.
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Post #22  Postby Eric Ifune » July 16th 2010, 8:50pm

I thought 'split' more commonly referred to a 187ml quarter bottle?
Growing up, my folks owned a liquor store in LA. This is the way I was taught it.
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Post #23  Postby Cris Whetstone » July 16th 2010, 9:57pm

I have also seen 730ml or 73cl on labels though this may only refer to the fill and not the bottle.
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Post #24  Postby Linda Baehr » July 17th 2010, 8:02am

[quote="Cris Whetstone"]I have also seen 730ml or 73cl on labels though this may only refer to the fill and not the bottle.
A standard bottle is filled with 750mL of liquid. The actual volume it could hold is closer to 800mL.
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Post #25  Postby Eric Ifune » July 17th 2010, 7:49pm

I've also seen old German bottles with this volume listed.
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Post #26  Postby Ken V » July 20th 2010, 7:14am

[quote="Cris Whetstone"]I have also seen 730ml or 73cl on labels though this may only refer to the fill and not the bottle.
720ml or 730ml was the standard bottle size in Europe up until the 1970s or so.
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Post #27  Postby R@y.Tupp@+sch » July 20th 2010, 7:45am

I've seen 700ml, 710ml, 720ml, 730ml, 735ml and 740ml for some older bottles. [quote="K V a s t o l a"][quote="Cris Whetstone"]I have also seen 730ml or 73cl on labels though this may only refer to the fill and not the bottle.
720ml or 730ml was the standard bottle size in Europe up until the 1970s or so.
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Post #28  Postby Ken V » July 20th 2010, 8:07am

I probably should have said "non-standard bottle size". It was mostly 720 in Piedmont, but varied all over. [quote="Ray.Tuppatsch"]I've seen 700ml, 710ml, 720ml, 730ml, 735ml and 740ml for some older bottles. [quote="K V a s t o l a"][quote="Cris Whetstone"]I have also seen 730ml or 73cl on labels though this may only refer to the fill and not the bottle.
720ml or 730ml was the standard bottle size in Europe up until the 1970s or so.
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Post #29  Postby Greg Harrington » July 20th 2010, 8:11am

[quote="C. Bowman"]Half bottle/Split 375 milliliters 750 750 milliliters, standard bottle size Magnum 1.5 liters / 2 bottles Jeroboam 3 liters / 4 bottles Double Magnum 3 liters / 4 bottles Rehoboam 4.5 liters / 6 bottles Methusalah 6 liters (term used for sparkling wine) Imperial 6 liters / 8 bottles (term for still wine) Salmanazar 9 liters / 12 bottles Balthazar 12 liters / 16 bottles Nebuchadnezzar 15 liters / 20 bottles (used for Berserkerfest sipping) Soverign 50 liters / 67 bottles
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Post #31  Postby Jorge Henriquez » July 20th 2010, 11:37am

[quote="Greg Harrington"][quote="C. Bowman"]Half bottle/Split 375 milliliters 750 750 milliliters, standard bottle size Magnum 1.5 liters / 2 bottles Jeroboam 3 liters / 4 bottles Double Magnum 3 liters / 4 bottles Rehoboam 4.5 liters / 6 bottles Methusalah 6 liters (term used for sparkling wine) Imperial 6 liters / 8 bottles (term for still wine) Salmanazar 9 liters / 12 bottles Balthazar 12 liters / 16 bottles Nebuchadnezzar 15 liters / 20 bottles (used for Berserkerfest sipping) Soverign 50 liters / 67 bottles
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Post #32  Postby Ken V » July 21st 2010, 7:46pm

[quote="Jorge Henriquez"][quote="Greg Harrington"][quote="C. Bowman"]Half bottle/Split 375 milliliters 750 750 milliliters, standard bottle size Magnum 1.5 liters / 2 bottles Jeroboam 3 liters / 4 bottles Double Magnum 3 liters / 4 bottles Rehoboam 4.5 liters / 6 bottles Methusalah 6 liters (term used for sparkling wine) Imperial 6 liters / 8 bottles (term for still wine) Salmanazar 9 liters / 12 bottles Balthazar 12 liters / 16 bottles Nebuchadnezzar 15 liters / 20 bottles (used for Berserkerfest sipping) Soverign 50 liters / 67 bottles
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Post #33  Postby Jorge Henriquez » July 21st 2010, 7:49pm

[quote="K V a s t o l a"][quote="Jorge Henriquez"][quote="Greg Harrington"][quote="C. Bowman"]Half bottle/Split 375 milliliters 750 750 milliliters, standard bottle size Magnum 1.5 liters / 2 bottles Jeroboam 3 liters / 4 bottles Double Magnum 3 liters / 4 bottles Rehoboam 4.5 liters / 6 bottles Methusalah 6 liters (term used for sparkling wine) Imperial 6 liters / 8 bottles (term for still wine) Salmanazar 9 liters / 12 bottles Balthazar 12 liters / 16 bottles Nebuchadnezzar 15 liters / 20 bottles (used for Berserkerfest sipping) Soverign 50 liters / 67 bottles
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Post #34  Postby scott c » July 21st 2010, 8:12pm

[quote="Brent Clayton"][quote="Sean Reed"][quote="davetong"]I thought 'split' more commonly referred to a 187ml quarter bottle?
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Make it +3. 375s are half-bottles and 187s are splits. There are splits in the mini bar of my hotel room right now. Observe: Split: http://www.napacabs.com/Laurent-Perrier ... -P355.aspx Half: http://www.napacabs.com/Laurent-Perrier ... -P354.aspx
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Post #35  Postby Scott Butler » July 22nd 2010, 5:58am

Yeh, most common to me is 187=split and 375= half Though I've also seen a 375 called a split once or twice.
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