Forget 2007 CdP; Bob P falls for 2009 Bordeaux
Forget 2007 CdP; Bob P falls for 2009 BordeauxApparently his ratings are in some hands in hard copy. It appears he has bestowed 100 points on 16 wines:
Beausejour Duffau Lagarrosse Bellevue Mondotte Clinet Clos Fourtet Cos D'Estournel Haut Brion Latour Leoville Poyferre La Mission Haut Brion Mondotte Montrose Pavie Petrus Le Pin Pontet Canet Smith Haut Lafitte Rouge I don't have to speak; she defends me
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Re: Forget 2007 CdP; Bob P falls for 2009 BordeauxTime to head to the store and see if I can't mass purchase some of those to help fund my kids' college education 10 years from now.
Congratulations to effing Clos Fourtet for joining the ranks of Latour, La Miss, Le Pin, and Ho Bryan. J0hn-J-K4ne
Re: Forget 2007 CdP; Bob P falls for 2009 BordeauxBest to go out swinging...I guess.
George Foreman has a Chuck Norris Grill.
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But only in magnum. They go well with fish, I'm sure Keith Levenberg will tell you. "We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true." -- variously attributed
Re: Forget 2007 CdP; Bob P falls for 2009 BordeauxIs this an all time high??
Re: Forget 2007 CdP; Bob P falls for 2009 BordeauxNo asterisk? Shame...
"what's missing in many people's experience of wine is a simple sense of ease." - Eric Asimov.
ITB
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By (buy) a substantial margin. George Foreman has a Chuck Norris Grill.
Re: Forget 2007 CdP; Bob P falls for 2009 BordeauxSmith Haut Laffite. Wow. I like their wines (and they seem to overachieve and provide good value in off vintages), but I would have never thought they'd be anywhere near a 100 point wine. I guess that's another Bordeaux I can scratch off my list.
And it is not just Burgundies that they torture themselves with: they drink cadaverous, vegetal wines from other places, too. They are even forcing winemakers in California to produce such wines. California, the land of sunshine, and they make wines that taste like they came from an outhouse in the Loire—can you imagine?
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Clos Fourtet too. Shocking I don't have to speak; she defends me
A drunkard's dream if I ever did see one
Re: Forget 2007 CdP; Bob P falls for 2009 BordeauxI have preached to everyone about the 09 Beausejour Duffau Lagarrosse. Now I delivered once again!
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It's only March 1st - not April 1st. Is this serious?!?
Re: Forget 2007 CdP; Bob P falls for 2009 BordeauxClos Fourtet has just been getting better and better since the 1998 vintage. Same thing with Smith Haut Lafitte. And they aren't $200+ per bottle, at least not yet! YMMV.
Byron
Re: Forget 2007 CdP; Bob P falls for 2009 BordeauxWhen does Mouton Cadet make this list?
"Do you want to sell sugar water for the rest of your life, or do you want to come with me and change the world?" - Steve Jobs, 1983
Re: Forget 2007 CdP; Bob P falls for 2009 BordeauxIt will be interesting see what prices these start trading at. There could be a few hundred dollars between 100 pointers.
WetRock
"Man prefers to believe what he prefers to be true." - Francis Bacon "I had taken two finger-bowls of champagne and the scene had changed before my eyes into something significant, elemental, and profound." - F. Scott Fitzgerald, The Great Gatsby
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It's not a 100 point wine. Quite the reach imo. If you want to try to outperform
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Well, they weren't this morning. This afternoon..... Chris
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Interesting, @fakebobwood tweeted something similar about an hour and a half ago... J0hn-J-K4ne
Re: Forget 2007 CdP; Bob P falls for 2009 BordeauxHmmm . . . seems that Twitter account actually exists. Real Bob Wood is not amused.
"Do you want to sell sugar water for the rest of your life, or do you want to come with me and change the world?" - Steve Jobs, 1983
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Dear Mr. Parker, My friend Dwayne came over the other day and I was all excited about showing him my collection of 2007 Chateauneuf-du-Papes (in magnum), but he started laughing and said, "Ha ha ha, haven't you heard? Parker says the 2009 Bordeaux vintage is at least 2.873419 times more perfect than the 2007 Southern Rhone vintage!" I was so embarrassed! Is it true? What should I do? Sincerely, Betrayed in Biloxi Dear Betrayed, Don't worry, the 2009 Bordeaux I'm recommending will taste exactly like 2007 Chateauneuf-du-Papes. Best, Bob
Re: Forget 2007 CdP; Bob P falls for 2009 BordeauxGuess who has two thumbs, a case of 2009 Pontet Canet and doesn't even like Bordeaux ? This guy !!!
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I am curious as to why you bought this wine if you don't like Bordeaux? Curiosity, want to try, what? I have had the oppurtunity to buy 100 point wines from regions I don't like in the past- even at great prices, and I pass them up. I didn't used to when I first got into wine, and discovered quickly that 100 points of suck still sucks (for the record, I scored the 09 PC 97+ points, and I think it is a fabulous wine). Bob
Fadades Rules!
Re: Forget 2007 CdP; Bob P falls for 2009 BordeauxI've now tried a couple "100 point wines", and I think it's foolish/impossible to predict perfection at maturity based on how things taste now. As an example, the 09 Leoville Poyferre was one of my absolute favorites from the UGC tasting and I rated it very highly, and I wouldn't be surprised if it approached perfection decades from now... but I wouldn't rate it that way today.
Ashish Agrawal
Sauternes Fanatic
Re: Forget 2007 CdP; Bob P falls for 2009 BordeauxBy the way, I'll confirm that the wines in the OP got 100 points. I think I actually counted 17, not 16, so its a touch more absurd even.
J0hn-J-K4ne
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There is something called a "wise financial decisions." J0hn-J-K4ne
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If you are saying he was buying to make a profit, I don't know, but I would say that that is not wise at all- investing in wine is like anything else- a big crapshoot. As soon as you have the mentality that this is a bubble that will never burst- watch out. In addition, as a wine lover, I find buying for profit rather than buying to enjoy more than a little bizarre. I can also say that I have a number of 100 point wines from regions all of the world that are very difficult to sell or trade, including some big names. Sure, Screagle 'sells' for $1200 a bottle or more, but you still have to find a buyer, not always easy at all. Bob
Fadades Rules!
Re: Forget 2007 CdP; Bob P falls for 2009 BordeauxI have to say, I sought some validation and direction from Parker's scores for the last few years. Now that I largely do my own dilligence rather than outsourcing it, this is the first BDX report where I derive utility from him bashing the wines I like, increasing the likelihood that they don't appreciate in value. RP100 means nothing to me, unless it makes a financial impact on my holdings.
If you want to try to outperform
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Of course it is a crapshoot. But buying 2009 Pontent Canet is fairly low risk, since it isn't particularly expensive relative to Scarecrow, Sloan, Latour, etc., and it was tossed a big barrell score. It's also a great vintage, and its RP giving the rating. Try to move various Jay Miller 100 pointers, Suckling 100 pointers, etc. and you'll run into issues making a profit. It also is varietal specific. From my observations, it is really hard to make a killing re-selling anything RP 100 for a profit from southern Rhone, non-cab cali wines, etc. But, in Bordeaux and in Napa Cabs, 100 points almost always means significant profit. Also, as a big fan of breakfast, and more specifically orange juice and bacon, I find speculating on pork bellies and OJ futures rather than buying to enjoy more than a little bizarre. *wink* J0hn-J-K4ne
Re: Forget 2007 CdP; Bob P falls for 2009 BordeauxThat is a pretty amazing list, and many of the entries speak volumes about the critera for "perfection" being employed currently.
-- Lew --
Italian Bikes & French Wines
Re: Forget 2007 CdP; Bob P falls for 2009 BordeauxI've never been one to engage in the WB vs. eBob forum sniping, but it's pretty startling to read the thread on this over there. Everyone peppering the people who got the print copy for numerical Bordeaux ratings, and hooting and high fiving each other for high scores (mostly on things they bought already -- not sure if they just are stoked over the validation of their purchase or if they are hoping to profit on flipping, but I think mostly the former).
I actually (harkening back to the Wine Geek Confessional thread) think that professional ratings and reviews can be helpful in finding wines to try in some circumstances, and I've never accused people of being "score whores" or any such thing, but if there were ever a case where that shoe fits, you'd find it in that thread. And it is not just Burgundies that they torture themselves with: they drink cadaverous, vegetal wines from other places, too. They are even forcing winemakers in California to produce such wines. California, the land of sunshine, and they make wines that taste like they came from an outhouse in the Loire—can you imagine?
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I think your being a little harsh in your assessment. I did not take a large 2009 position, but if I did, I would be extremely happy to know that my decision to buy before the scores came out was a wise one (assuming that buying 2009 BDX at all is wise). I think there was a lot of doubt about whether the 2009 prices would hold up or whether they would immediately drop after the scores came out. If they go up, you just saved yourself a ton of money. If they were to go down, you just overpaid. I am sure there are a few pure point whores and flippers, but scores have an impact on those that are not also.
Re: Forget 2007 CdP; Bob P falls for 2009 BordeauxIn what world could Fourtet and Smith ever produce a 100 point wine?
Best,
Paul Jaouen
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The same world that Carlisle's Sonoma syrah gets a 97. :) (disclosure - I like Carlisle wines)
Re: Forget 2007 CdP; Bob P falls for 2009 BordeauxI will gladly trade my 09 Smith Haut Lafite and Clos Fourtet 100 point wines for any of your Latour, Margaux, Haut Brion in any vintage where those wines got only say a measly 95 points. Come on point whores! Bring it on!
Best,
Paul Jaouen
Re: Forget 2007 CdP; Bob P falls for 2009 Bordeauxbob, @FakeBobWood has some pretty toney followers.....
ITB
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Re: Forget 2007 CdP; Bob P falls for 2009 BordeauxGiven what he/she is Tweeting I remain unamused no matter who is following.
"Do you want to sell sugar water for the rest of your life, or do you want to come with me and change the world?" - Steve Jobs, 1983
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