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Post #1  Postby Neal.Mollen » March 1st 2012, 11:19am

Apparently his ratings are in some hands in hard copy. It appears he has bestowed 100 points on 16 wines:

Beausejour Duffau Lagarrosse

Bellevue Mondotte

Clinet

Clos Fourtet

Cos D'Estournel

Haut Brion

Latour

Leoville Poyferre

La Mission Haut Brion

Mondotte

Montrose

Pavie

Petrus

Le Pin

Pontet Canet

Smith Haut Lafitte Rouge
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Post #2  Postby K John Joseph » March 1st 2012, 11:25am

Time to head to the store and see if I can't mass purchase some of those to help fund my kids' college education 10 years from now.

Congratulations to effing Clos Fourtet for joining the ranks of Latour, La Miss, Le Pin, and Ho Bryan.
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Post #3  Postby Bill Tex Landreth » March 1st 2012, 11:26am

Best to go out swinging...I guess.
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Post #4  Postby John Morris » March 1st 2012, 11:28am

Neal.Mollen wrote:Apparently his ratings are in some hands in hard copy. It appears he has bestowed 100 points on 16 wines:


But only in magnum. They go well with fish, I'm sure Keith Levenberg will tell you.
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Post #5  Postby Mike Reff » March 1st 2012, 11:49am

Is this an all time high??
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Post #6  Postby loren.grossman » March 1st 2012, 11:49am

No asterisk? Shame...
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Post #7  Postby Bill Tex Landreth » March 1st 2012, 11:56am

Mike Reff wrote:Is this an all time high??


By (buy) a substantial margin.
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Post #8  Postby Chris Seiber » March 1st 2012, 11:56am

Smith Haut Laffite. Wow. I like their wines (and they seem to overachieve and provide good value in off vintages), but I would have never thought they'd be anywhere near a 100 point wine. I guess that's another Bordeaux I can scratch off my list.
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Post #9  Postby Neal.Mollen » March 1st 2012, 11:59am

Chris Seiber wrote:Smith Haut Laffite. Wow. I like their wines (and they seem to overachieve and provide good value in off vintages), but I would have never thought they'd be anywhere near a 100 point wine. I guess that's another Bordeaux I can scratch off my list.


Clos Fourtet too. Shocking
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Post #10  Postby k s h i n » March 1st 2012, 11:59am

I have preached to everyone about the 09 Beausejour Duffau Lagarrosse. Now I delivered once again! [highfive.gif]
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Post #11  Postby Nathan Smyth » March 1st 2012, 12:14pm

Neal.Mollen wrote:Beausejour Duffau Lagarrosse
Bellevue Mondotte
Clinet
Clos Fourtet
Cos D'Estournel
Haut Brion
Latour
Leoville Poyferre
La Mission Haut Brion
Mondotte
Montrose
Pavie
Petrus
Le Pin
Pontet Canet
Smith Haut Lafitte Rouge

It's only March 1st - not April 1st.

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Post #12  Postby Byron Hewett » March 1st 2012, 12:19pm

Clos Fourtet has just been getting better and better since the 1998 vintage. Same thing with Smith Haut Lafitte. And they aren't $200+ per bottle, at least not yet! YMMV.

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Post #13  Postby Bob Wood » March 1st 2012, 12:23pm

When does Mouton Cadet make this list?
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Post #14  Postby Cris Whetstone » March 1st 2012, 12:26pm

It will be interesting see what prices these start trading at. There could be a few hundred dollars between 100 pointers.
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Chris Seiber wrote:Smith Haut Laffite. Wow. I like their wines (and they seem to overachieve and provide good value in off vintages), but I would have never thought they'd be anywhere near a 100 point wine. I guess that's another Bordeaux I can scratch off my list.


It's not a 100 point wine. Quite the reach imo.
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Post #16  Postby Chris S p i k e s » March 1st 2012, 12:48pm

Byron Hewett wrote:Clos Fourtet has just been getting better and better since the 1998 vintage. Same thing with Smith Haut Lafitte. And they aren't $200+ per bottle, at least not yet! YMMV.

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Post #17  Postby K John Joseph » March 1st 2012, 1:19pm

Bob Wood wrote:When does Mouton Cadet make this list?



Interesting, @fakebobwood tweeted something similar about an hour and a half ago...
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Post #18  Postby Bob Wood » March 1st 2012, 1:27pm

Hmmm . . . seems that Twitter account actually exists. Real Bob Wood is not amused.
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Post #19  Postby Keith Levenberg » March 1st 2012, 1:41pm

John Morris wrote:
Neal.Mollen wrote:Apparently his ratings are in some hands in hard copy. It appears he has bestowed 100 points on 16 wines:


But only in magnum. They go well with fish, I'm sure Keith Levenberg will tell you.

Dear Mr. Parker,
My friend Dwayne came over the other day and I was all excited about showing him my collection of 2007 Chateauneuf-du-Papes (in magnum), but he started laughing and said, "Ha ha ha, haven't you heard? Parker says the 2009 Bordeaux vintage is at least 2.873419 times more perfect than the 2007 Southern Rhone vintage!" I was so embarrassed! Is it true? What should I do?
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Post #20  Postby Nick Gangas » March 1st 2012, 1:55pm

Guess who has two thumbs, a case of 2009 Pontet Canet and doesn't even like Bordeaux ? This guy !!!
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Nick Gangas wrote:Guess who has two thumbs, a case of 2009 Pontet Canet and doesn't even like Bordeaux ? This guy !!!


I am curious as to why you bought this wine if you don't like Bordeaux? Curiosity, want to try, what? I have had the oppurtunity to buy 100 point wines from regions I don't like in the past- even at great prices, and I pass them up. I didn't used to when I first got into wine, and discovered quickly that 100 points of suck still sucks (for the record, I scored the 09 PC 97+ points, and I think it is a fabulous wine).
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Post #22  Postby AAgrawal » March 1st 2012, 2:16pm

I've now tried a couple "100 point wines", and I think it's foolish/impossible to predict perfection at maturity based on how things taste now. As an example, the 09 Leoville Poyferre was one of my absolute favorites from the UGC tasting and I rated it very highly, and I wouldn't be surprised if it approached perfection decades from now... but I wouldn't rate it that way today.
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Post #23  Postby K John Joseph » March 1st 2012, 2:17pm

By the way, I'll confirm that the wines in the OP got 100 points. I think I actually counted 17, not 16, so its a touch more absurd even.
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Post #24  Postby K John Joseph » March 1st 2012, 2:18pm

b hudak wrote:
Nick Gangas wrote:Guess who has two thumbs, a case of 2009 Pontet Canet and doesn't even like Bordeaux ? This guy !!!


I am curious as to why you bought this wine if you don't like Bordeaux? Curiosity, want to try, what? I have had the oppurtunity to buy 100 point wines from regions I don't like in the past- even at great prices, and I pass them up. I didn't used to when I first got into wine, and discovered quickly that 100 points of suck still sucks (for the record, I scored the 09 PC 97+ points, and I think it is a fabulous wine).


There is something called a "wise financial decisions."
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Post #25  Postby BobH » March 1st 2012, 2:29pm

K John Joseph wrote:
b hudak wrote:
Nick Gangas wrote:Guess who has two thumbs, a case of 2009 Pontet Canet and doesn't even like Bordeaux ? This guy !!!


I am curious as to why you bought this wine if you don't like Bordeaux? Curiosity, want to try, what? I have had the oppurtunity to buy 100 point wines from regions I don't like in the past- even at great prices, and I pass them up. I didn't used to when I first got into wine, and discovered quickly that 100 points of suck still sucks (for the record, I scored the 09 PC 97+ points, and I think it is a fabulous wine).


There is something called a "wise financial decisions."


If you are saying he was buying to make a profit, I don't know, but I would say that that is not wise at all- investing in wine is like anything else- a big crapshoot. As soon as you have the mentality that this is a bubble that will never burst- watch out. In addition, as a wine lover, I find buying for profit rather than buying to enjoy more than a little bizarre.
I can also say that I have a number of 100 point wines from regions all of the world that are very difficult to sell or trade, including some big names. Sure, Screagle 'sells' for $1200 a bottle or more, but you still have to find a buyer, not always easy at all.
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Post #26  Postby Faryan Amir-Ghassem¡ » March 1st 2012, 2:38pm

I have to say, I sought some validation and direction from Parker's scores for the last few years. Now that I largely do my own dilligence rather than outsourcing it, this is the first BDX report where I derive utility from him bashing the wines I like, increasing the likelihood that they don't appreciate in value. RP100 means nothing to me, unless it makes a financial impact on my holdings.
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Post #27  Postby K John Joseph » March 1st 2012, 2:40pm

b hudak wrote:
K John Joseph wrote:
b hudak wrote:I am curious as to why you bought this wine if you don't like Bordeaux? Curiosity, want to try, what? I have had the oppurtunity to buy 100 point wines from regions I don't like in the past- even at great prices, and I pass them up. I didn't used to when I first got into wine, and discovered quickly that 100 points of suck still sucks (for the record, I scored the 09 PC 97+ points, and I think it is a fabulous wine).


There is something called a "wise financial decisions."


If you are saying he was buying to make a profit, I don't know, but I would say that that is not wise at all- investing in wine is like anything else- a big crapshoot. As soon as you have the mentality that this is a bubble that will never burst- watch out. In addition, as a wine lover, I find buying for profit rather than buying to enjoy more than a little bizarre.
I can also say that I have a number of 100 point wines from regions all of the world that are very difficult to sell or trade, including some big names. Sure, Screagle 'sells' for $1200 a bottle or more, but you still have to find a buyer, not always easy at all.


Of course it is a crapshoot. But buying 2009 Pontent Canet is fairly low risk, since it isn't particularly expensive relative to Scarecrow, Sloan, Latour, etc., and it was tossed a big barrell score. It's also a great vintage, and its RP giving the rating. Try to move various Jay Miller 100 pointers, Suckling 100 pointers, etc. and you'll run into issues making a profit. It also is varietal specific. From my observations, it is really hard to make a killing re-selling anything RP 100 for a profit from southern Rhone, non-cab cali wines, etc. But, in Bordeaux and in Napa Cabs, 100 points almost always means significant profit.

Also, as a big fan of breakfast, and more specifically orange juice and bacon, I find speculating on pork bellies and OJ futures rather than buying to enjoy more than a little bizarre.

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Post #28  Postby Lewis Dawson » March 1st 2012, 2:43pm

That is a pretty amazing list, and many of the entries speak volumes about the critera for "perfection" being employed currently.
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Post #29  Postby Chris Seiber » March 1st 2012, 3:54pm

I've never been one to engage in the WB vs. eBob forum sniping, but it's pretty startling to read the thread on this over there. Everyone peppering the people who got the print copy for numerical Bordeaux ratings, and hooting and high fiving each other for high scores (mostly on things they bought already -- not sure if they just are stoked over the validation of their purchase or if they are hoping to profit on flipping, but I think mostly the former).

I actually (harkening back to the Wine Geek Confessional thread) think that professional ratings and reviews can be helpful in finding wines to try in some circumstances, and I've never accused people of being "score whores" or any such thing, but if there were ever a case where that shoe fits, you'd find it in that thread.
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Post #30  Postby Mike J ewesson » March 1st 2012, 4:47pm

Chris Seiber wrote:I've never been one to engage in the WB vs. eBob forum sniping, but it's pretty startling to read the thread on this over there. Everyone peppering the people who got the print copy for numerical Bordeaux ratings, and hooting and high fiving each other for high scores (mostly on things they bought already -- not sure if they just are stoked over the validation of their purchase or if they are hoping to profit on flipping, but I think mostly the former).

I actually (harkening back to the Wine Geek Confessional thread) think that professional ratings and reviews can be helpful in finding wines to try in some circumstances, and I've never accused people of being "score whores" or any such thing, but if there were ever a case where that shoe fits, you'd find it in that thread.


I think your being a little harsh in your assessment. I did not take a large 2009 position, but if I did, I would be extremely happy to know that my decision to buy before the scores came out was a wise one (assuming that buying 2009 BDX at all is wise). I think there was a lot of doubt about whether the 2009 prices would hold up or whether they would immediately drop after the scores came out. If they go up, you just saved yourself a ton of money. If they were to go down, you just overpaid. I am sure there are a few pure point whores and flippers, but scores have an impact on those that are not also.
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Post #31  Postby Paul Jaouen » March 1st 2012, 4:53pm

In what world could Fourtet and Smith ever produce a 100 point wine?
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Post #32  Postby Joe G a l e w s k i » March 1st 2012, 5:04pm

Paul Jaouen wrote:In what world could Fourtet and Smith ever produce a 100 point wine?


The same world that Carlisle's Sonoma syrah gets a 97. :)

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Post #33  Postby Paul Jaouen » March 1st 2012, 5:12pm

I will gladly trade my 09 Smith Haut Lafite and Clos Fourtet 100 point wines for any of your Latour, Margaux, Haut Brion in any vintage where those wines got only say a measly 95 points. Come on point whores! Bring it on!
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Post #34  Postby Roberto Rogness » March 1st 2012, 5:12pm

bob, @FakeBobWood has some pretty toney followers.....
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Post #35  Postby Bob Wood » March 1st 2012, 5:35pm

Given what he/she is Tweeting I remain unamused no matter who is following.
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Post #36  Postby Chris Seiber » March 1st 2012, 5:36pm

Mike J ewesson wrote:
Chris Seiber wrote:I've never been one to engage in the WB vs. eBob forum sniping, but it's pretty startling to read the thread on this over there. Everyone peppering the people who got the print copy for numerical Bordeaux ratings, and hooting and high fiving each other for high scores (mostly on things they bought already -- not sure if they just are stoked over the validation of their purchase or if they are hoping to profit on flipping, but I think mostly the former).

I actually (harkening back to the Wine Geek Confessional thread) think that professional ratings and reviews can be helpful in finding wines to try in some circumstances, and I've never accused people of being "score whores" or any such thing, but if there were ever a case where that shoe fits, you'd find it in that thread.


I think your being a little harsh in your assessment. I did not take a large 2009 position, but if I did, I would be extremely happy to know that my decision to buy before the scores came out was a wise one (assuming that buying 2009 BDX at all is wise). I think there was a lot of doubt about whether the 2009 prices would hold up or whether they would immediately drop after the scores came out. If they go up, you just saved yourself a ton of money. If they were to go down, you just overpaid. I am sure there are a few pure point whores and flippers, but scores have an impact on those that are not also.


If you bought a case of Pontet Canet last month for personal consumption (and not for flipping), what difference does it make to you that it got 100 points versus 97 points, or whether the price to buy it tomorrow is more, less or the same as what you paid?

You say "If they go up, you just saved yourself a ton of money. If they were to go down, you just overpaid." Didn't you pay the exact same amount for the exact same wine regardless of whether the price went up or down today? I don't see how you're any different off.

Now, I'm not that totally rational -- I understand the sensation of patting one's self on the back for having bought before the price went up or kicking one's self for having bought before the price dropped, even if it doesn't actually affect what you have or what you paid for it. Maybe that's what all that celebration is about, and I guess I shouldn't judge.
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Post #37  Postby J. Nemanick » March 1st 2012, 6:29pm

Well Chris, I guess you must have the bucks to go over to EP and taste all the wines before buying. The rest of us mortals don't. So yeah, I'm happy that my purchases tasted great out of the bottle per Parker.

Maybe when I have the bucks you do. I can hang on your level.

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Post #38  Postby Mike Miller » March 1st 2012, 6:39pm

Byron Hewett wrote:Clos Fourtet has just been getting better and better since the 1998 vintage. Same thing with Smith Haut Lafitte. And they aren't $200+ per bottle, at least not yet! YMMV.

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Post #39  Postby John Liotta » March 1st 2012, 6:44pm

The seventeenth 100 pointer is Ducru Beaucaillou I think.
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Post #40  Postby Chris Seiber » March 1st 2012, 7:13pm

J. Nemanick wrote:Well Chris, I guess you must have the bucks to go over to EP and taste all the wines before buying. The rest of us mortals don't. So yeah, I'm happy that my purchases tasted great out of the bottle per Parker.

Maybe when I have the bucks you do. I can hang on your level.

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Jeff, my comment was about people who already bought wines before the bottle scores came yet appear extremely concerned about what the scores came out as today, which I found strange. I wasn't denigrating, or even commenting on, people using critical scores to assist in their decision to buy wines, or buying without the ability to go to Bordeaux and taste the wines beforehand (which I certainly do not have).

I apologize if I was unclear, and I didn't mean to insult you.
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Post #41  Postby J. Nemanick » March 1st 2012, 7:31pm

Ok. Sorry I misunderstood.

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Post #42  Postby Andrew L. » March 1st 2012, 8:06pm

John Liotta wrote:The seventeenth 100 pointer is Ducru Beaucaillou I think.


Yes, L'Evangile too. There is also one white 100 pointer as well: Pape Clement Blanc.
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Re: Forget 2007 CdP; Bob P falls for 2009 Bordeaux

Post #43  Postby Chris S p i k e s » March 1st 2012, 8:08pm

Are the rest of the scores out yet, or only the 100 pointers?

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Re: Forget 2007 CdP; Bob P falls for 2009 Bordeaux

Post #44  Postby Bruce Leiser_owitz » March 1st 2012, 8:10pm

Neal.Mollen wrote:Apparently his ratings are in some hands in hard copy. It appears he has bestowed 100 points on 16 wines:

Beausejour Duffau Lagarrosse

Bellevue Mondotte

Clinet

Clos Fourtet

Cos D'Estournel

Haut Brion

Latour

Leoville Poyferre

La Mission Haut Brion

Mondotte

Montrose

Pavie

Petrus

Le Pin

Pontet Canet

Smith Haut Lafitte Rouge


Oh-Kay.....at the recent UGC tasting, IIRC I tried the Clinet, Clos Fourtet, Leoville Poyferre, Pontet Canet, and Smith Haut Lafitte among others. While the Clinet was at the top of the heap that night, I would not have considered any of those five wines to be 100 point/"perfect" wines. Clearly I was tasting something very, very different.......

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Re: Forget 2007 CdP; Bob P falls for 2009 Bordeaux

Post #45  Postby Benjamin Sullivan » March 1st 2012, 8:43pm

Glad I bought the Poyferre on futures, but honestly I would not care if it got a 100 points or not - Poyferre is always good juice!
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Re: Forget 2007 CdP; Bob P falls for 2009 Bordeaux

Post #46  Postby Keith Levenberg » March 1st 2012, 9:09pm

Chris S p i k e s wrote:Are the rest of the scores out yet, or only the 100 pointers?

Who cares about any of the 99-point crap?
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Re: Forget 2007 CdP; Bob P falls for 2009 Bordeaux

Post #47  Postby Mike J ewesson » March 1st 2012, 9:10pm

Chris Seiber wrote:
Mike J ewesson wrote:
Chris Seiber wrote:I've never been one to engage in the WB vs. eBob forum sniping, but it's pretty startling to read the thread on this over there. Everyone peppering the people who got the print copy for numerical Bordeaux ratings, and hooting and high fiving each other for high scores (mostly on things they bought already -- not sure if they just are stoked over the validation of their purchase or if they are hoping to profit on flipping, but I think mostly the former).

I actually (harkening back to the Wine Geek Confessional thread) think that professional ratings and reviews can be helpful in finding wines to try in some circumstances, and I've never accused people of being "score whores" or any such thing, but if there were ever a case where that shoe fits, you'd find it in that thread.


I think your being a little harsh in your assessment. I did not take a large 2009 position, but if I did, I would be extremely happy to know that my decision to buy before the scores came out was a wise one (assuming that buying 2009 BDX at all is wise). I think there was a lot of doubt about whether the 2009 prices would hold up or whether they would immediately drop after the scores came out. If they go up, you just saved yourself a ton of money. If they were to go down, you just overpaid. I am sure there are a few pure point whores and flippers, but scores have an impact on those that are not also.


If you bought a case of Pontet Canet last month for personal consumption (and not for flipping), what difference does it make to you that it got 100 points versus 97 points, or whether the price to buy it tomorrow is more, less or the same as what you paid?

You say "If they go up, you just saved yourself a ton of money. If they were to go down, you just overpaid." Didn't you pay the exact same amount for the exact same wine regardless of whether the price went up or down today? I don't see how you're any different off.

Now, I'm not that totally rational -- I understand the sensation of patting one's self on the back for having bought before the price went up or kicking one's self for having bought before the price dropped, even if it doesn't actually affect what you have or what you paid for it. Maybe that's what all that celebration is about, and I guess I shouldn't judge.


In your example, if it gets 97 points instead of 100 you may have just discovered you overpaid for PC when the score comes out. If you hadn't bought, you could have gone about using your money to buy other things (like other wine the price of which you expect to rise in the future) and wait to purchase the PC in the future for the 2/29/2012 price or less. There is tons of it and the price will likely drop, especially considering the amount of 97+ pt. 2009 BDX wines that were cheaper.

Consider the alternative, you decided not to buy the PC on 2/29/2012 with the thought it was overpriced and will drop after the scores come out. You use that money to buy other wine or something else that you want and expect to buy it when it's cheaper. ruh-roh...on 3/1 it gets 100 points. By not buying on 2/29 you just cost yourself a bunch of money....or you go without.
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Re: Forget 2007 CdP; Bob P falls for 2009 Bordeaux

Post #48  Postby Brian G r a f s t r o m » March 1st 2012, 9:12pm

Bruce Leiserowitz wrote:Oh-Kay.....at the recent UGC tasting, IIRC I tried the Clinet, Clos Fourtet, Leoville Poyferre, Pontet Canet, and Smith Haut Lafitte among others. While the Clinet was at the top of the heap that night, I would not have considered any of those five wines to be 100 point/"perfect" wines. Clearly I was tasting something very, very different.......

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Re: Forget 2007 CdP; Bob P falls for 2009 Bordeaux

Post #49  Postby Brian G r a f s t r o m » March 1st 2012, 9:13pm

Benjamin Sullivan wrote:Glad I bought the Poyferre on futures, but honestly I would not care if it got a 100 points or not - Poyferre is always good juice!

an '88 Poyferre was my WOTN at a Bdx. offline last weekend; it was delicious, and still young.
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Re: Forget 2007 CdP; Bob P falls for 2009 Bordeaux

Post #50  Postby jordan whitehead » March 1st 2012, 10:34pm

09 Troplong Mondot

RP 99 pts

NM 89

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