J'accuse: Criminal Stem Inclusion Levels in 2009 Bouchard Red Burgundies

2009 BOUCHARD RED BURGUNDIES: CRIMINAL LEVELS OF STEM INCLUSION - Vin Vino Wine, Palo Alto, California (8/13/2011)


What possesses people to take a beautiful ingredient and obscure its deliciousness with extraneous flavors taken from much lesser material? Who would go to all the trouble to buy some of Burgundy’s great terroirs–monopoles where gorgeous, minerally fruit has been grown for centuries–and dump a load of woody material into the fermentation, thereby obscuring the special fruit characteristics of the precious grapes? Why do so many makers of Pinot Noir these days think they’ll make a better wine out of the delicate and flavorful Pinot Noir grape by including a lot of stems in the mix? I for one don’t get it. I’ve ranted about this rising trend here before (e.g., http://www.rjonwine.com/burgundy/domaine-de-larlot/), and I’m afraid it’s time for another attempt to get the attention of those who don’t appear to love and cherish pure Pinot Noir fruit as much as others that what they are doing is, essentially, a crime. They are robbing Pinot Noir grown in some of the most favorable spots on the planet of its moment to shine. They are stealing pleasure from those of us who look forward to a new vintage from some of our favorite vineyards. In other words, WTF Bouchard?? Why did you feel it necessary dump in as much as 30 to 50% stem inclusion in your red Burgundies in the 2009 vintage (and similar amounts in 2008)? The results are a huge disappointment for someone who has loved these wines in the past, when they weren’t “vins de stem.”

So here are the facts about stem inclusion and Pinot Noir, and Burgundy in particular. Whole bunch fermentation, where grape berries are not destemmed, is a very traditional method for fermenting red wine, most commonly practiced in Burgundy. Whole bunch fermentation requires large vessels, preferably open-topped for punching down the cap, although pump overs are also used. On the plus side, the stems can help ease juice passing through the cap, which aids in oxygenating the must. Where grapes are entirely destemmed, more punch downs are typically needed. Inclusion of stems can also help extend the maceration period by depressing fermentation temperatures. On the down side, the stems can impart a lot of harsh tannin to the wine, as well as “stemmy” taste characteristics: green notes and flavors, ranging from camphor and various mints to green chili pepper to asparagus and green beans. Over time–five to ten years of bottle age–the tannins imparted by the stems can resolve some, and the green notes can evolve to “forest floor” and tobacco characteristics. Often, however, the fruit has totally dropped out by then. I do recognize that some people like these kinds of flavors; I prefer the pure red and blue fruit characteristics of the delicate Pinot Noir grape itself, along with the minerality engendered by the particular site in which it is grown. Stem inclusion also tends to result in lighter colored wines (e.g., Dujac red Burgundies), and reduces alcohol and acidity by small amounts.

The great majority of Burgundy producers currently destem, or almost entirely destem. The greatest Burgundy winemaker of my lifetime, Henri Jayer, entirely destemmed and argued against the use of whole cluster fermentation. Nonetheless, a couple of very influential, and high priced, producers use a substantial amount of stem inclusion: DRC and Domaine Leroy. The stemmy nature of DRCs has, for me, become very noticeable in recent vintages. It greatly detracts from their drinkability in the first few years after release, and I think makes them more tannic and less pleasurable than they otherwise would be even after several years in the bottle. Generally I find the stemmy quality less evident on Domaine Leroy offerings, which are already at the extreme edges of fruit concentration for Burgundy, but in weaker vintages, like ’06, it does become more noticeable. The fact that these producers, which are highly sought after and command some of the highest prices of any in Burgundy, use a high percentage of stem inclusion has apparently planted the suggestion with other producers, both in Burgundy and the U.S., that to make top-flight Pinot Noir, you should consider including some amount of stems.

Jasper Morris’s wonderful Inside Burgundy: The Vineyards, the Wine & the People, published last year, is the latest, most comprehensive guide to Burgundy’s vineyards, with a lot of information, as well, about the domaines. From that book I gleaned the following lists of Burgundy producers who destem versus those who use all or a substantial amount of whole cluster:

Destemmers: The Burgundy domaines that currently destem entirely, or almost entirely, include A-F Gros, Alain Michelot, Antonin Guyon, d’Ardhuy, Arlaud, Armand Rousseau, Arnoux-Lachaux, Bertagna, Bruno Clair, Bruno Clavelier, Chateau de Chorey, Chevrot, Claude Dugat, Comte Liger-Belair, Coste-Caumartin, Denis Bachelet, Dupont-Tisserandot, Emmanuel Rouget, Faiveley, Follin-Arbelet, Fourrier, Francois Parent, Géantet-Pansiot, Georges Mugneret-Gibourg, Gérard Mugneret, Ghislaine Barthod, Harmand-Geoffroy, Henri Boillot, Henri Gouges, Hudelot-Baillet, Hudelot-Noëllat, Jean Grivot, Jean-Jacques Confuron, Jean-Marc Boillot, Jean-Marc Pavelot, Louis Boillot, Louis Latour, Lucien Muzard, Marquis d’Angerville, Méo-Camuzet, Michel Gros, Michel Lafarge, Michel Magnien, Patrice & Michele Rion, Perrot-Minot, J-F Mugnier, Perdrix, Philippe Naddef, Philippe Charlopin, Pierre Damoy, Pierre Gelin, Ponsot, Robert Chevillon, Sérafin, Sylvain Cathiard, Taupenot-Merme, Thibault Liger-Belair, Tollot-Beaut and Vougeraie. These are the producers whose wines I’m going to continue to buy.

Whole Clusterers: The producers who use a significant portion of whole cluster fermentation are l’Arlot, Bellene, Bernard Dugat-Py, Cécile Tremblay, Chandon de Briailles, Chanson, Chassorney, Chateau de la Tour, Clos des Lambrays, Courcel, Dujac, DRC, Jean-Yves Bizot, Leroy, Prieuré-Roch, and Trapet. These are wines I’m not going to buy, because I buy Burgundy to taste the world’s greatest Pinot Noir, not red fruit obscured by a bunch of stems.

Depends on Vintage: The producers for whom it depends on the vintage are Clos de Tart, d’Eugenie, Georges Mugnier, Robert Groffier and Simon Bize. Buyer beware on these–find out how much whole cluster fermentation was used in a given vintage.

In California, Calera has been including stems for a long time, as has Melville, and Rhys has been including 50 to 100% of stems in their estate Pinot Noirs. I have tremendous respect for the palate of Kevin Harvey, proprietor of Rhys, and have recorded here (2009 Rhys Tasting with Kevin Harvey & Jeff BrinkmanRJonWine.com) his theory that in very shallow, rocky soils stems can get mature and soft enough to include without harmful effect on the wine. That said, other than his amazing ’09s that I barrel sampled, I have not been loving the Rhys estate Pinots with high stem inclusion. I’m willing to wait to see how they age, but they are not lovely creatures for drinking in the first couple of years from release (unlike the fabulous Chardonnays). He also once promised to taste me on barrel samples with and without stem inclusion, but that has not happened yet. At any rate, because of my high respect for Kevin’s palate and scientific method, and because his is still a relatively new project, I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that there is merit in his aim to include a large proportion of stems in his estate Pinots. Most of the California Pinot Noirs I have tasted over the years with more than 15% stem inclusion, however, readily show the negative impact of high stem inclusion. For what it’s worth, I will continue to identify those who are big on whole cluster inclusion here, so buyers can be fully informed in making purchasing decisions, and I will continue to share my opinions with these producers to their face. If you want to include a lot of stems in making red wine, I urge you to consider Syrah, which can greatly benefit from stem inclusion. When it comes to more delicate red grapes, and their sexy red and blue fruit characteristics, however, such as Pinot Noir and Grenache, kindly keep all that green material to a minimum. Is that too much to ask?

Before I conclude this particular rant, let’s turn back to Bouchard. Bouchard Père et Fils started back in 1731, and over the decades and generations that followed, the domaine amassed a staggering number of prime vineyard parcels, ultimately becoming the largest vineyard owner in the Côte d’Or. In 1995, the company was sold to Champagne-based entrepreneur Joseph Henriot. Some of the monopoles (single-owner vineyards) they own include Clos de la Mousse, Grèves Vigne de L’Enfant Jesus and Clos St-Landry. In this tasting of 2009s, a vintage with near perfect weather, I sampled one village level wine, four premier crus and one grand cru, the Corton-Le Corton. Because of the vintage, and my prior experience with a lot of these vineyards, I was expecting some heavenly young wines. The 2009 Faiveleys I have tried so far, for example, from comparable terroirs, were stunning, showing delicious fruit, definition and minerality. Unfortunately, the high stem inclusion was thoroughly evident in all of these Bouchard ’09s, with off-putting green flavors and major tannins on most. The one that will clearly outlive the immediate green qualities and develop into a still more complex and delicious wine is the Corton-Le Corton. I rated it 92 points; the Faiveley 2009 Corton-Clos des Cortons, by contrast, merited 96 points. The other Bouchard reds may not integrate all that tannin and green flavors before the red fruit characteristics drop out.

Following my detailed tasting notes below for these 2009s I have also listed my TNs for the wines I sampled last year from the 2008 vintage, which showed a lot of the same green and heavily tannic characteristics. As someone who has enjoyed glorious Bouchards in prior vintages, including memorable La Romanées from 1969 and 1988, and delicious Grèves Vigne de L’Enfant Jesus bottlings over the years, including, most recently 2002 and 2006, I am deeply dismayed at the domaine’s apparent absorption these days in the production of vins de stem, instead of great Pinot Noir.
Village

  • 2009 Bouchard Père et Fils Chambolle-Musigny - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Chambolle-Musigny
    Medium dark ruby color; herbal, sous bois, earthy, oak nose; tight, sous bois, tangy, greenish red fruit, mineral palaate with grip; needs 2-plus years to integrate the stems; medium-plus finish (87 pts.)

1er Crus

  • 2009 Bouchard Père et Fils Beaune 1er Cru Clos de la Mousse - France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Beaune 1er Cru
    Medium dark ruby color; lifted, sous bois, underbrush, tart plum, pine needle nose; tight, sous bois, tart plum, stemmy palate with a hint of pepper; needs 2 years to integrate; medium-plus finish (88 pts.)
  • 2009 Bouchard Père et Fils Volnay 1er Cru Caillerets Ancienne Cuvée Carnot - France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Volnay 1er Cru
    Dark ruby color; sous bois, lime skin, snap pea nose; tight, tart plum, oak, sous bois, mineral, black cherry, blackberry palate with depth; more accessible than the other '09 Bouchards but could use 1 year to integrate; medium-plus finish (89 pts.)
  • 2009 Bouchard Père et Fils Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru Les Cailles - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru
    Dark ruby color; sous bois, light smoke, oak nose; very tight, tart roasted berry, black berry, ripe fruit, charcoal palate with structure and firm tannins; meeds 8 years; medium-plus finish (89 pts.)
  • 2009 Bouchard Père et Fils Beaune 1er Cru Grèves Vigne de L’Enfant Jesus - France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Beaune 1er Cru
    Dark ruby color; sous bois, oak, sweet green chilie nose; tight, silky textured, tart cherry, sous bois, mineral, green herb palate; medium-plus finish 89+ points (not as appealing as this bottling usually is, probably due to the high whole cluster inclusion in '09) (89 pts.)

Grand Cru

  • 2009 Bouchard Père et Fils Corton-Le Corton - France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Corton Grand Cru
    Medium dark ruby color; appealing, tart cherry, plum, green herbs nose; tight, silky textured, tart cherry, raspberry, spice palate with integrating oak and sweet tannins; needs 4-5 years; long finish (92 pts.)

2008 BOUCHARDS - Vin Vino Wine, Palo Alto, California (10/5/2010-10/7/2010)


'08 Bouchard Whites

  • 2008 Bouchard Père et Fils Meursault Les Clous - France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Meursault (10/5/2010)
    Light yellow color; nice lemon, vanilla nose; tight, light citrus palate with a sense of salt; medium finish (89 pts.)
  • 2008 Bouchard Père et Fils Beaune 1er Cru Clos St. Landry - France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Beaune 1er Cru (10/5/2010)
    Light yellow color; vanilla, lemon nose; tasty, bright lemon, citrus, mineral palate, broad, rich but balanced; medium-plus finish (needs 3-4 years) (91 pts.)
  • 2008 Bouchard Père et Fils Meursault 1er Cru Les Genevrières - France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Meursault 1er Cru (10/5/2010)
    Light yellow color; nice lemon, citrus, floral, lemon Kool-Aid powder nose; tasty, rich, poised, tangy, ripe lemon, citrus, mineral palate; medium-plus finish (93 pts.)
  • 2008 Bouchard Père et Fils Meursault 1er Cru Les Perrières - France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Meursault 1er Cru (10/5/2010)
    Light yellow color; minerally, tart citrus nose; tight, floral, tart lemon, citrus, mineral palate; medium-plus finish 92+ pts. (needs 3+ years) (92 pts.)
  • 2008 Bouchard Père et Fils Corton-Charlemagne - France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Corton-Charlemagne Grand Cru (10/5/2010)
    Light yellow color; solid tart lemon, almond, vanilla, acacia nose; tight, concentrated, tart lemon, vanilla, acacia palate with depth; medium-plus finish (needs 5-plus years) (93 pts.)

'08 Bouchard Reds

  • 2008 Bouchard Père et Fils Beaune 1er Cru Clos de la Mousse - France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Beaune 1er Cru (10/7/2010)
    Medium cherry red color with pale meniscus; sous bois, green nose; tight, tart cherry, roses, mineral palate with firm tannins; medium finish (89 pts.)
  • 2008 Bouchard Père et Fils Volnay 1er Cru Caillerets Ancienne Cuvée Carnot - France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Volnay 1er Cru (10/7/2010)
    Medium cherry red color; sous bois, tart cherry nose with a touch of brett; surprisingly concentrated on palate, ripe cherry, red fruit, cinnamon, sous bois palate with grip; medium-plus finish (88 pts.)
  • 2008 Bouchard Père et Fils Beaune 1er Cru Grèves Vigne de L’Enfant Jesus - France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Beaune 1er Cru (10/7/2010)
    Medium dark cherry red color; sous bois, green, menthol nose; tight, tart raspberry, sous bois, mineral, tart red fruit palate with sweet tannins; medium-plus finish (not as tasty and well knit as I’m used to with this Bouchard bottling) (89 pts.)
  • 2008 Bouchard Père et Fils Corton-Le Corton - France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Corton Grand Cru (10/7/2010)
    Medium dark cherry red color; Nag Champa incense, sandalwood, dried cherry, ripe cherry nose; tight, ripe cherry, tart cherry, mineral palate with depth; medium-plus finish (91 pts.)
  • 2008 Bouchard Père et Fils Chambertin-Clos de Bèze - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Chambertin-Clos de Bèze Grand Cru (10/7/2010)
    Medium dark cherry red color; hibiscus, tart red fruit, rosehips, sous bois nose; tight, complex, sous bois, hibiscus, tart red fruit, mineral, green, menthol palate; medium-plus finish 88+ pts. (this is showing much more green and sous bois than usual, and not at all as well as other critic ratings would have led me to expect) (88 pts.)

Hi Richard:

I haven’t tasted Bouchard’s 09s, so I can’t comment on them, directly. I certainly wish, though, that the market shared your opinion of DRC, as I’d love to buy DRC at Bouchard prices.

As regards your important point that DRC’s inclusion of stems “greatly detracts from their drinkability in the first few years after release…,” don’t you think DRC’s wines are intended to be drunk at age 15-20+, rather than at age three? Unless you think that mature DRC wines are not enjoyable, then what they taste like at age three hardly seems relevant.

Best,

Nowell

As a producer of Pinot that uses whole cluster fermentation sometimes I understand your position if I don’t necessarily agree with your assessment of the wines (because we clearly have different palates). I love whole cluster fermentations and the resulting wines however we tend to be quite careful about our usage of whole clusters. For instance, in 2009 we used them a great deal nearly across the board while in 2010 we didn’t use a single one. We use them when we believe we have complete lignification and our feeling is that the inclusion of stems will add highly positive elements to the wines.

I would caution you on the use of the word facts to describe what happens with whole cluster fermentations. There is general disagreement as to whether stem inclusion gives off tannin or actually absorbs tannin. I find that it changes tannic structure but does not necessarily in and of itself make the wines more tannic. Likewise with pigmentation, stems don’t guarantee a lighter colored wine. In 2009 our lightest hued wine is 0 percent whole cluster and easily our darkest wine is 50-60 percent whole cluster.

I love the wines of Dujac, Arlot, Leroy, DRC and I also love wines from folks who use no whole clusters. I understand your sensitivity to it as I see it with some of the wines we made in 2009 and some peoples’ reactions to the whole cluster ones. That being said it sounds like I should go buy some 2009 Bouchard!!

J’adore stems, give me DRC, Leroy, L’Arlot, de Courcel, Clos des Lambrays, Dujac and Tremblay any day of the week. FWIW Rousseau used some whole bunch in several of their wines in 09 also.

Count me in this camp. While painting with a broad stroke here, the more stems the better!

Love me some stems. Not a fan of Jayer…ducks…

Stems here too, Rhys anyone.

Richard–very interesting treatise. I’m not sure that I can tell you whether you are right or wrong, but I’m somewhat surprised by your complaint that it may take 5-10 years for the stemmy components to integrate, and particularly by your comment that by then the fruit is often all gone. I personally rarely touch any of my significant burgundies before 10 years of age, and often find that the fruit is just beginning to blossom by then, often being somewhat closed in and restrained before then. It seems to me you are looking for different animals than I am. If you drank your 93’s and 96’s, oor 99’s for that matter at 5-10 years, you missed a tremendous amount, and really didn’t experience what the wines are supposed to be.

1993 Dujac (with stems) last week. An OMG wine. All ten taster at a dinner of people with many storage lockers full of quality wine loved the wine. 1990 Leroy Beamonts this week was one of the best Burgs ever. I am a whole cluster fan.

Rousseau, Roumier, Hudelot-Noëllat (2008), Thibault Liger-Belair (2008), Drouhin and Comte Armand are a few names to drop in the basket of Domaines using stems to some degree and depending on vintage.

I guess I am confused by your most recent article when I hold it up next to some older ones. In “Me and Pinot Noir” you show your favorite bottles as being pretty mature bottles, 1966, 1993, 1996. You state in the recent article that stems distract from the drinkability in the first few years. I guess if you have enough DRC to pop a few now and hold on to a few for consumption in 20 years my hat is off to you.

Should you decide to drink the wine 2 years out of the blocks please don’t confuse your opinion of the wine with the aspirations of the Domaine. Rousseau’s website is a good indication of what he hopes his wines achieve. His 2008 GC Village is meant to be left alone for 5 or 6 years and the bigger years double the bottle aging time. Your choice to drink them earlier than the Domaine intended them to be is perfectly fine. But don’t accuse them of making young wines less enjoyable to consume.

Not liking stems because you enjoy young wines is fine. Caveat emptor, most Domaines in Burgundy are not trying to make wines that are fun to drink at young ages. But I have a sneaking suspicion you do enjoy wines built to be consumed after sufficient bottle age (according to your CT statistics), so you might want to consider drinking something else while you are waiting for your bounty of 2009 DRC to mature.

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I respect your preference to not enjoy stems in young burgs (and somewhat share the sentiment) but from my experience the above statement is pretty much factually wrong. Burgs can be shut down within that time frame but time or expert areation will allow the fruit to reawaken if they have been well stored. I’m pretty sure most burgphiles would agree with me.

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FWIW, I think the bigger crime at bouchard are the ugly labels they debuted starting in 2006. WTF were/are they thinking? Along with L’Arlot they have to be the ugliest labels on the Cote.

I suspect that stem inclusion will become almost universal over the next ten years as the idea that noble vineyards are meant to produce wines intended to be drunk young on their fruit is finally laid to rest. I think that Jayer was simply wrong here, as in many of his other pronouncements, but it all depends on what you want your burgundy to be and there is no doubt that there is much great wine made without stems.

+1. That statement didn’t help the argument. I generally respect Richard’s taste and ability to communicate his perception of a certain wine. Stems or no stems argument aside, I stand at odds with Richard on his point of view about bottle age and fruit dropping out. Having read a lot of his other articles, I have a hard time believing he believes his own statement.

If you don’t mind sharing I’d be very curious to hear whatelse you think he was wrong on. I’m doing a little bit of research on Jayer so I’d love to hear what you have to say here.

j’adore +1

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I was surprised to learn recently that Burlotto’s Monvigliero Barolo is made with stems. Surprised because it is one of the most delicate, feminine Barolos and, besides, it sounds crazy to do anything to Barolo to give it more contact with tannin-containing elements.

The moral of this story is that including stems doesn’t necessarily lead to stemmy or tannic wines.

That’s for sure. When I first saw them, I was actually visiting Bouchard and I thought they were just internally used labels for sample bottles. Imagine my shock when I saw them in a store and realized they actually considered the design fit for commercial use.

As for the virtues of stems, I can’t remember who the poster was, but the definitive statement was made in response to Pierre Rovani on a long thread on the Parker board way back which I believe was initiated by Kevin Harvey if I remember correctly. Pierre had a long post which started off with something along the lines of, ‘Excellent Burgundies have been made with stems. Excellent Burgundies have been made without stems.’ The response was, to each sentence respectively, ‘Yep, the best. / Yep, but not the best.’ Q.E.D.

Glad I’m not the only one.

There was a thread a short while ago about initial posters who disappear after posting their thread. I know it has been less than 24hrs, but Richard, are you there?