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Re: Moral: Don't piss off Alice Feiring!

Post #151  Postby GregT » May 17th 2010, 8:23pm

odds are something like that will fall on deaf ears here or get dismissed by someone who read the first line and considered it dreck.

It was dreck. I read more than the first line. Couldn't finish it. I've read a lot of literature and also a lot of crap. Occasionally pretentious self-indulgent rants are called literature today. I'm quite comfortable distinguishing the two. It's as easy as distinguishing natural wine from spoofiliated wine.
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Re: Moral: Don't piss off Alice Feiring!

Post #152  Postby Nathan Smyth » May 17th 2010, 8:39pm

Robert.Fleming wrote:
Nathan Smyth wrote: pogrom against Parker
A bit hyperbolic, wouldn't you say?

No.

The NYC crowd has had Parker in their crosshairs for about a decade now.

They won't be satisfied until he is completely destroyed.
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Post #153  Postby M. Dildine » May 17th 2010, 8:47pm

Nathan Smyth wrote:
Robert.Fleming wrote:
Nathan Smyth wrote: pogrom against Parker
A bit hyperbolic, wouldn't you say?

No.

The NYC crowd has had Parker in their crosshairs for about a decade now.

They won't be satisfied until he is completely destroyed.


A bit hyperbolic, wouldn't you say?
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Post #154  Postby c fu » May 17th 2010, 10:30pm

so what have we learned after 100+ posts?
some people really like Alice Feiring
some people really hate her style of writing

the end?
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Post #155  Postby Wes Barton » May 18th 2010, 1:17am

Charlie Fu wrote:so what have we learned after 100+ posts?
some people really like Alice Feiring
some people really hate her style of writing

the end?


And for at least 3, "really like" = personal friend.

And "her style" = sloppy, negligent, inaccurate, self-contradicting, dismissive, hyperbolic, sophomoric, negative, unhealthily obsessed, etc.
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Post #156  Postby Jorge Henriquez » May 18th 2010, 6:20am

M. Dildine wrote:
Nathan Smyth wrote:
Robert.Fleming wrote:
Nathan Smyth wrote: pogrom against Parker
A bit hyperbolic, wouldn't you say?

No.

The NYC crowd has had Parker in their crosshairs for about a decade now.

They won't be satisfied until he is completely destroyed.


A bit hyperbolic, wouldn't you say?


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Post #157  Postby Richard T r i m p i » May 18th 2010, 7:01am

Can't blame her for avoiding this occasionally hostile exchange (if she knows about it). But it seems like the "Can someone explain what a natural wine is & how it's made?" thread has been crying for her input (not that Eric T's participation isn't appreciated).

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Re: Moral: Don't piss off Alice Feiring!

Post #158  Postby Nathan Smyth » May 18th 2010, 9:02am

M. Dildine wrote:
Nathan Smyth wrote:
Robert.Fleming wrote:
Nathan Smyth wrote: pogrom against Parker
A bit hyperbolic, wouldn't you say?

No.

The NYC crowd has had Parker in their crosshairs for about a decade now.

They won't be satisfied until he is completely destroyed.


A bit hyperbolic, wouldn't you say?

No.

If anything, I am understating it.
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Re: Moral: Don't piss off Alice Feiring!

Post #159  Postby Andrew Hall » May 18th 2010, 9:13am

Nathan Smyth wrote:
M. Dildine wrote:
Nathan Smyth wrote:
Robert.Fleming wrote:
Nathan Smyth wrote: pogrom against Parker
A bit hyperbolic, wouldn't you say?

No.

The NYC crowd has had Parker in their crosshairs for about a decade now.

They won't be satisfied until he is completely destroyed.


A bit hyperbolic, wouldn't you say?

No.

If anything, I am understating it.


You keep making these statements over and over and over and over and with no backing whatsover. Man up and

Put up or shut the f*ck up.

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Re: Moral: Don't piss off Alice Feiring!

Post #160  Postby Robert.Fleming » May 18th 2010, 10:13am

Nathan,

Two questions:
(1) Who are "the NYC crowd" out to destroy Parker?
(2) Do you know the definition of 'pogrom'?

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Post #161  Postby Roberto Rogness » May 18th 2010, 10:18am

I would put the owners of Terroir as nominal leaders of the "New York crowd" but they are more like a gang of Yippies doing agit prop than a pogrom....


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Re: Moral: Don't piss off Alice Feiring!

Post #162  Postby Jorge Henriquez » May 18th 2010, 10:38am

Robert.Fleming wrote:Nathan,

Two questions:
(1) Who are "the NYC crowd" out to destroy Parker?

Thanks,
Bob


I can think of a few people off the top of my head. I wouldn't go as far as saying they make up the entire "NYC crowd". In a city this big, 10 or 12 voices (no matter how bloated/windy/loud they can be) do not call the shots for everyone. Oh and, just some friendly advice, don't call them "fundamentalists". [wink.gif]
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Re: Moral: Don't piss off Alice Feiring!

Post #163  Postby Lyle Fass » May 19th 2010, 12:00pm

Jorge Henriquez wrote:
Robert.Fleming wrote:Nathan,

Two questions:
(1) Who are "the NYC crowd" out to destroy Parker?

Thanks,
Bob


I can think of a few people off the top of my head. I wouldn't go as far as saying they make up the entire "NYC crowd". In a city this big, 10 or 12 voices (no matter how bloated/windy/loud they can be) do not call the shots for everyone. Oh and, just some friendly advice, don't call them "fundamentalists". [wink.gif]


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Re: Moral: Don't piss off Alice Feiring!

Post #164  Postby Victor de la Serna » May 19th 2010, 12:28pm

Nick Ryan wrote:+1, pretty funny. Tempranillo is not meant to be treated in this way, it has an inherent rusticity that just results in a vile concoction if one tries to make a fruit-bomb out of it; the same with Grenache.

We learn so much about Spanish wine and Spanish grape varieties from enlightened remarks such as this one, which reveal a deep understanding of such Ribera del Duero wines as Vega Sicilia, Aalto PS, Alonso del Yerro María, Pago de los Capellanes El Nogal or indeed Viña Sastre Pesus... It's a real privilege. We learn so much.

At our modest and less well-informed web site in Spanish, elmundovino.com, our tasting committee, often criticized in Spain for being harsh on highly extracted wines, we have been rating Pesus progressively higher since the late 1990s - the equivalent of a WA 97 for the 2006.

BTW, in Spain this 'only' retails for 250 euros, and the production from this tiny vineyard plot is just 100 to 150 cases a year.

P.S. Lyle - Why a "mistake"? I still call them fundamentalists - and many of them are good friends of mine who understand where I'm coming from. Their Weltanschauung in wine terms is very narrow - SO2 is like the devil - which, for instance, makes all of German riesling spoofulated dreck (or a liquid corpse) within their strict understanding of 'natural' wine.

BTW, two years ago I produced a tiny, 25-case of very natural rosé which I labeled El Fundamentalista to show the Spanish members of the fraternity my friendly appreciation
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Re: Moral: Don't piss off Alice Feiring!

Post #165  Postby Bill Bøykin » May 19th 2010, 12:35pm

Victor de la Serna wrote:
Nick Ryan wrote:+1, pretty funny. Tempranillo is not meant to be treated in this way, it has an inherent rusticity that just results in a vile concoction if one tries to make a fruit-bomb out of it; the same with Grenache.

We learn so much about Spanish wine and Spanish grape varieties from enlightened remarks such as this one, which reveal a deep understanding .It's a real privilege. We learn so much.

At our modest and less well-informed web site in Spanish, elmundovino.com, our tasting committee, often criticized in Spain for being harsh on highly extracted wines, we have been rating Pesus progressively higher since the late 1990s


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