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Post #1  Postby Chris Barnes » January 21st 2017, 7:10am

I am looking for a way to secure my cellar door with a minimalist retina scanner. I am very new to this technology and am hoping to tap the collective IQ here. All thoughts are appreciated.

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Post #2  Postby John Morris » January 21st 2017, 7:25am

A cool idea. But I wonder if it wouldn't be easier to obtain a fingerprint scanner since they're so widely used on computers and phones.
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Post #3  Postby John O' » January 21st 2017, 8:29am

will it work if they're bloodshot?
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Post #4  Postby Chris Barnes » January 21st 2017, 8:33am

I hope it works if they are bloodshot :-).
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Post #5  Postby Jeremy C » January 21st 2017, 8:48am

John O' wrote:will it work if they're bloodshot?


While I realize this was quite possibly (probably?) asked in jest, yes, in theory "bloodshot" refers to the conjunctival vessels and in no way would impact a retina scan.

Now, I have been curious as to what occurs if one has diabetic, hypertensive, or other retinal changes.
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Post #6  Postby PaulMills » January 21st 2017, 9:49am

Why not just a keypad? What is the real advantage of a retinal scanner?
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Post #7  Postby Russell Faulkner » January 21st 2017, 9:56am

Cooler.
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Post #8  Postby Chris Barnes » January 21st 2017, 10:06am

Way cooler!
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Post #9  Postby Chris Barnes » January 21st 2017, 10:23am

There is currently no lock on it and nothing drilled in the door. I was thinking a retina scanner attached to a magnetic lock. Does anyone have any insight? My aviator is a pic if the cellar setup.
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Post #10  Postby Russell Faulkner » January 21st 2017, 10:26am

Only useful for preventing teenage children accessing I suppose.
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Post #11  Postby Dave Nerland » January 21st 2017, 10:44am

A retina scanner would be very expensive. Fingerprint technology would be cheaper, but still expensive. Card locks or keypads are more affordable.
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Post #12  Postby Chris Barnes » January 21st 2017, 10:47am

Russell Faulkner wrote:Only useful for preventing teenage children accessing I suppose.


Yup...and babysitters/mother in law/and wife's book club!
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Post #13  Postby Frank Drew » January 21st 2017, 10:53am

Chris,

Will it work if there's a power failure; will it need to be re-set/re-calibrated after one?
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Post #14  Postby Nick Ryan » January 21st 2017, 11:01am

Better hope any potential thieves haven't seen Demolition Man.
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Post #15  Postby Victor Hong » January 21st 2017, 11:45am

Chris Barnes wrote:........ My aviator is a pic if the cellar setup.

Does your aviator fly your helicopter onto the Screaming Eagle estate?
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Post #16  Postby GregT » January 21st 2017, 3:40pm

With a retina scanner, you might want to add a deterrent as well. Say something like a 10 inch long spike that pops out of the scanner if the retina is not recognized. Just thinking out loud here so to speak - you can't be too careful.
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Post #17  Postby andy velebil » January 21st 2017, 4:32pm

While I don't have one I do know someone who tried retina scanner, thumbprint, and key pad. Here were the issues he had.

Retina: bloodshot from being in the pool/water prior caused issues where it wouldn't work.

Fingerprint: Same as above (sans the bloodshot part)

keypad: worked everytime.

Use a key pad and don't worry.
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Post #18  Postby Jeremy C » January 21st 2017, 4:55pm

andy velebil wrote:While I don't have one I do know someone who tried retina scanner, thumbprint, and key pad. Here were the issues he had.

Retina: bloodshot from being in the pool/water prior caused issues where it wouldn't work.

Fingerprint: Same as above (sans the bloodshot part)

keypad: worked everytime.

Use a key pad and don't worry.


While I admittedly know nothing of retina scanners, I know a couple of things about the retina and the bloodshot issue makes no sense.

But I agree that a keypad or simply a keyed lock would be best.

What about those devices implanted subcutaneously that trigger the lock? That'd be high-tech enough, no?
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Post #19  Postby andy velebil » January 21st 2017, 5:05pm

Jeremy C wrote:
andy velebil wrote:While I don't have one I do know someone who tried retina scanner, thumbprint, and key pad. Here were the issues he had.

Retina: bloodshot from being in the pool/water prior caused issues where it wouldn't work.

Fingerprint: Same as above (sans the bloodshot part)

keypad: worked everytime.

Use a key pad and don't worry.


While I admittedly know nothing of retina scanners, I know a couple of things about the retina and the bloodshot issue makes no sense.

But I agree that a keypad or simply a keyed lock would be best.

What about those devices implanted subcutaneously that trigger the lock? That'd be high-tech enough, no?

No idea either, just relaying the info and issues he told me he had with various things he tried.
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Post #20  Postby Brian King » January 21st 2017, 6:38pm

I have a $250 fingerprint deadbolt on mine - works great for teenagers (as far as I know)
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Post #21  Postby Otto Dobre » January 21st 2017, 8:56pm

Round the clock armed guards is the only way to go. [thumbs-up.gif]
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Post #22  Postby Stan Y. » January 21st 2017, 9:33pm

iPhone 8 is rumored to use iris scan to unlock, then use your phone to access home automation that controls your cellar door lock.
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Post #23  Postby c fu » January 21st 2017, 10:16pm

my storage facility uses keypad + fingerprint. Seems pretty secure.
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Post #24  Postby Larry G0ld3n » January 22nd 2017, 6:48am

Alternative approach - instill good values, teach your children to appreciate good wine, share often and you'll never have a moments worry about them invading your cellar. Though an iris scanner is way cool.
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Post #25  Postby Bruce Rudman » January 22nd 2017, 8:14am

i just enlarged/enhanced my cellar and have a lock and a video camera connected to my security DVR in the cellar, with motion activated alerts to the iPhone. But, the kids don't live at home anymore so we never lock it! I think the retinal scanner idea is cool, even if it is just for show. Let me know if you find one - even if the post was in jest.
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Post #26  Postby Victor Hong » January 22nd 2017, 1:30pm

I installed one to secure my stuff in Chicago, but it unlocks only if I view it from a certain angle. Still trying to figure out why, before resorting to a plain, old padlock.
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Post #27  Postby Ian Sutton » January 22nd 2017, 1:37pm

Personally I wouldn't see it as cool. Geeky at best, at worst it could come across as showing off.

If it needs a lock, something subtle but effective.
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Post #28  Postby wspohn » January 22nd 2017, 6:41pm

You guys and your complications!

Go the fingerprint route and then cut your finger and it won't recognize you.

Use a retinal scanner and wake up from a late night missing one eye and a cellar full of wine.

Either way you are dependent on the power not going out ot you need a battery back up.

Whats the matter with a strong solid core wooden door and a lock? Power goes out? As long as you have a flashlight and can remember where you put the key, you can drown your sorrows.

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Post #29  Postby Peter Kleban » January 22nd 2017, 7:39pm

Retinal scanner to get in is fine as long as you have a breathalyzer test to get back out...
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Post #30  Postby Chris Seiber » January 23rd 2017, 1:49am

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Post #31  Postby J a y H a c k » January 23rd 2017, 5:24am

Otto Dobre wrote:Round the clock armed guards is the only way to go. [thumbs-up.gif]
How about a machine gun with an electric eye plus a DNA sensor to make sure that it knows who you are, plus a battery backup to deal with the zombie apocalypse? Oh yeah, I forgot, you can't kill zombies.

If we take the OP inquiry seriously, it's a bad idea for so many reasons. I decide what I want to decant and drink in the afternoon; I call home to tell my son; and he goes to the cellar to pull the bottle. Oops, he can't get in. The house is on fire; I send him downstairs to get my best bottles before fleeing the flames; oops, while he is wasting time smashing the glass window and getting in without injury, the fire speeds through the house and he doesn't have enough time to get the case of 1990 La Tache.
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Post #32  Postby Victor Hong » January 23rd 2017, 5:29am

J a y H a c k wrote:
Otto Dobre wrote:Round the clock armed guards is the only way to go. [thumbs-up.gif]
How about a machine gun with an electric eye plus a DNA sensor to make sure that it knows who you are, plus a battery backup to deal with the zombie apocalypse? Oh yeah, I forgot, you can't kill zombies.

If we take the OP inquiry seriously, it's a bad idea for so many reasons. I decide what I want to decant and drink in the afternoon; I call home to tell my son; and he goes to the cellar to pull the bottle. Oops, he can't get in. The house is on fire; I send him downstairs to get my best bottles before fleeing the flames; oops, while he is wasting time smashing the glass window and getting in without injury, the fire speeds through the house and he doesn't have enough time to get the case of 1990 La Tache.

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Post #33  Postby Jay Miller » January 23rd 2017, 7:32am

Ian Sutton wrote:Personally I wouldn't see it as cool. Geeky at best, at worst it could come across as showing off.

If it needs a lock, something subtle but effective.


Geeky is cool.

Though I agree with most other people that it's not even close to being a practical choice. But I'm guessing practicality isn't the point.
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Post #34  Postby AndrewH » January 23rd 2017, 7:53am

Jay Miller wrote:
Ian Sutton wrote:Personally I wouldn't see it as cool. Geeky at best, at worst it could come across as showing off.

If it needs a lock, something subtle but effective.


Geeky is cool.

Though I agree with most other people that it's not even close to being a practical choice. But I'm guessing practicality isn't the point.



I thought the advantage of retinal scanners (or even fingerprint scanners) is mainly for doors that multiple people need to open - e.g., in offices - but where security needs to be greater than just the keys out there, which might be subject to duplication or being provided to others. If you're the only one needing access (or perhaps a spouse), why not just have a key?
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Post #35  Postby Chris Barnes » January 23rd 2017, 8:47am

Thank you all (well, most of you) for the responses. This is something I am seriously considering and I appreciate the comments. Even those critical of the idea.

I guess the overall idea had both practicality and coolness in mind. The original idea started as a joke with my FIL, but then morphed in my head to something I wanted to pursue.

I am interested in hearing more ideas, criticisms, or alternative approaches as this idea continues to develop.

I have ruled out the need for automatic machine guns, 24 hour personal attendant, helicopters, etc.
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Post #36  Postby AndrewH » January 23rd 2017, 9:07am

On a more serious note, what about a smart lock operated by your mobile phone? It can be secured by the phone's fingerprint scanner, and you can open up the cellar by proximity or voice, as well as remotely (e.g., when you send your servant down to grab a bottle) "Siri- unlock wine cellar"). Less of a hassle than actually having to touch something with your finger or eye.
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Post #37  Postby NoahR » January 23rd 2017, 9:08am

Honestly, all the new keypads (August, for example) allow temporary codes and multiple codes so that you can give people one-time access or track based on code who comes in. Probably just as useful and more foolproof.
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Post #38  Postby Chris Seiber » January 23rd 2017, 9:08am

Nick Ryan wrote:Better hope any potential thieves haven't seen Demolition Man.

Or Never Say Never Again...
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Post #40  Postby Bruce Leiser_owitz » January 23rd 2017, 11:24am

J a y H a c k wrote: The house is on fire; I send him downstairs to get my best bottles before fleeing the flames; oops, while he is wasting time smashing the glass window and getting in without injury, the fire speeds through the house and he doesn't have enough time to get the case of 1990 La Tache.


Reason #209 why I don't own a case of 1990 La Tache.

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Post #41  Postby Mike Sale » January 23rd 2017, 11:31am

With some familiarity in the data center security space, I can tell you that reliable Retina scanners are *not* cheap. A real PITA if someone has diabetes, cataracts, or even severe astigmatisms. I've seen times in the past where we've had to remove it from the authentication process. Not a big deal for us because it is typically one of multiple factors used in authentication, but for you, you want to make sure you have multiple unlock paths!

I would agree with the previous poster, check out a mobile phone biometric enabled unlock. Similar cool factor without the hassle!
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Post #42  Postby wspohn » January 23rd 2017, 11:33am

Hey, I was restraining myself, but he posted a video so I can post a cartoon..... (already given my serious reading - that the scanner is not really necessary and has a downside).

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Post #43  Postby Nate Simon » January 23rd 2017, 12:53pm

If you collect a lot of Greek wine, you might consider a retsina scanner as well.
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Post #44  Postby Chris Seiber » January 23rd 2017, 1:17pm

Nate Simon wrote:If you collect a lot of Greek wine, you might consider a retsina scanner as well.
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Post #45  Postby Jon Lawrence » January 23rd 2017, 1:38pm

I use an electronic strike that I can control with my Phone or the alarm keypad next to the door. Seems to get a rise out of most people.
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Post #46  Postby AndrewH » January 23rd 2017, 1:54pm

Jon Lawrence wrote:I use an electronic strike that I can control with my Phone or the alarm keypad next to the door. Seems to get a rise out of most people.


Okay, Christian Gray.
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Post #47  Postby AndrewH » January 23rd 2017, 1:54pm

Chris Seiber wrote:
Nate Simon wrote:If you collect a lot of Greek wine, you might consider a retsina scanner as well.
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I might install one of those to avoid Greek wine . . .
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Post #48  Postby Dave English » January 23rd 2017, 1:57pm

I would go with something like this, http://www.maglocks.com/complete-single ... 79-99.html

Still geeky but without the added complexity of retina scanning. Obviously you can chop and change aspects and fail safes, which would make it cheaper.
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Post #49  Postby Ian Sutton » January 23rd 2017, 4:50pm

wspohn wrote:Hey, I was restraining myself, but he posted a video so I can post a cartoon..... (already given my serious reading - that the scanner is not really necessary and has a downside).

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Post #50  Postby Jon Lawrence » January 23rd 2017, 6:21pm

AndrewH wrote:
Jon Lawrence wrote:I use an electronic strike that I can control with my Phone or the alarm keypad next to the door. Seems to get a rise out of most people.


Okay, Christian Gray.



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