Hail Damage again in Burgundy

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Post #1  Postby Monte Mast » June 28th 2014, 8:53am

According to pictures and comments posted on Twitter, Burgundy just got hit with a major hail storm.

From Oregon's Scott Paul: Devasted. Major damage in Meursault, Volnay, Pommard - yet another hailstorm 10 mins. ago...

His picture is the one of hail.

From the @BourgogneLive feed: (translated) Very violent fall of #grêle on Meursault at the moment pdt 2 minutes! I cannot imagine in the :-((( vineyards. To which Ray Walker replied: in Nuits Saint Georges and more.

Caroline Parent Gros posted this pic with the caption: In #Beaune vineyard destroyed again by the hail!

Not good news.
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Post #2  Postby Monte Mast » June 28th 2014, 9:39am

Apparently the Cote de Beaune was hit the worst with some parcels at a 70-80% loss.
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Post #3  Postby Ivan T » June 28th 2014, 10:07am

The images from Burgundy are heartbreaking... I really feel for the winemakers. Hope they can survive another low production vintage.
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Post #4  Postby Dan Samsoe » June 28th 2014, 12:07pm

Such a shame
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Post #5  Postby Joe Webb » June 28th 2014, 12:31pm

Ivan T wrote:The images from Burgundy are heartbreaking... I really feel for the winemakers. Hope they can survive another low production vintage.


For all of our sakes they need a couple of average years to get some bottles on the market and hold down prices.
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Post #6  Postby Peter Tryba » June 28th 2014, 12:34pm

Time to invest in cloud seeding?
This is terrible news.
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Post #7  Postby Marko B » June 28th 2014, 12:52pm

so sad
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Post #8  Postby Casey Hartlip » June 28th 2014, 5:06pm

I saw a pic on Facebook. Breaks my heart. We in Cali have it made...weather wise!
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Post #9  Postby L e o F r o k i c » June 28th 2014, 5:10pm

God, they can't get a break.
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Post #10  Postby Andrew Nielsen » June 28th 2014, 5:14pm

Yep, sucks big time. Savigny, unlike last year, seems to have missed the brunt (10-30% depending on the parcel) but my Beaune vineyards, from first calls, from 50-90% wiped out, still too early to see the real impact as the clusters/vines react. Such a promising start to the season, one of the best in recent memory, gone in an afternoon......

Third year in a row the Volnay/Pommard/Beaune sector has been hit with 50%+ losses, with prices for fruit likely to continue skyrocketing (and supply diving too, of course).

All those hoping for a return to "normal" pricing for 2013/14......... pileon
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Post #11  Postby Nick Ryan » June 28th 2014, 5:15pm

I had to double-check the date of this point to confirm that it wasn't a bump from 2013. Or 2012. Or...
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Post #12  Postby Andrew Nielsen » June 28th 2014, 5:19pm

No doubt there will be a few vineyards put up for "métayage/fermage" the next year or so, especially in appellations like Beaune/Pommard/Savigny where stock vs cash flow will put some major strains on less viable domaines.
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Post #13  Postby Howard Davis » June 28th 2014, 6:10pm

This is heartbreaking. And, just having been in Burgundy a week ago, unbelievable.

Every winemaker we met last week said that it was early days but that the 2014 vintage was looking potentially excellent. There was talk about possible drought and another 2003 scenario and how they would handle that better than in 2003. (All of course retained an innate and understandable pessimism about a situation like this being possible. Alec Seysses, for example, doesn't like "4" vintages, mentioning 2004 and 1994).

Now for Beaune blancs it looks like a repeat of the last couple of years. For example Phillipe Brun at Bruno Clair was apologetic that he wasn't able to show us any 2013 blancs in barrel because although he has some juice he is not sure how he will blend, or what he will do with, the little he has.

You feel for the affected houses. Not so much the larger ones, but the smaller ones. And I see from forecasts T storms and more hail is possible overnight.

It looks like I will be buying 2014 Chablis in volume ...
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Post #14  Postby Berry Crawford » June 28th 2014, 7:20pm

brutal...
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Post #15  Postby Howard Davis » June 29th 2014, 1:21am

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Caroline PARENT GROS (@cparentgros)
29/06/14 3:13 am
#Beaune and #Pommard destroyed by the hail!!!! #Burgundy

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Post #16  Postby Mike Grammer » June 29th 2014, 3:38am

So sorry to hear, Andrew (and all the winemakers in Burgundy). I, too, know how much everyone was praying for a normal, even good vintage this year. This is terrible news, 3rd vintage in a row now.
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Post #17  Postby mdavis » June 29th 2014, 3:42am

Terrible news.
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Post #18  Postby Blair Ridley » June 29th 2014, 4:27am

Nick Ryan wrote:I had to double-check the date of this point to confirm that it wasn't a bump from 2013. Or 2012. Or...


Me too.

Gut wrenching. I am so saddened by this news.
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Post #19  Postby Robert Panzer » June 29th 2014, 4:54am

Un-funkin'-believable.
I shouldn't have posted about the good flowering and the "wild card joker" that is hail.
I'll see what folks have to say in different villages and report back...
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Post #20  Postby Andrew Nielsen » June 29th 2014, 9:40am

I think Bill Nanson jinxed us with his hail talk earlier this season!! ;-)
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Post #21  Postby dcornutt » June 29th 2014, 10:38am

Volnay slammed.
Pommard Perezolles almost wiped out totally. Many areas have 100% loss of fruit.
This is sad.
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Post #22  Postby Berry Crawford » June 29th 2014, 10:47am

I wonder if this is the new reality because of changing weather patterns and of so, would some sort of netting need to become part of a the standard way of combatting this issue?
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Post #23  Postby Marko B » June 29th 2014, 11:26am

In the future nets will probably have to be the solution, but I have heard that these are currently not in compliance with the rules of the AOC. The wines could not be sold under the appellation name.
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Post #24  Postby Chris Freemott » June 29th 2014, 12:38pm

Third year in a row the Volnay/Pommard/Beaune sector has been hit with 50%+ losses, with prices for fruit likely to continue skyrocketing (and supply diving too, of course).


Maybe. Maybe not. Supply and demand is a fickle thing. I concur, supply has been hit - but - with that is demand stifled due to concerns about end product quality?


**This is NOT to take anything away from the horrible damage and I sincerely send condolences to those affected...I'm only making a pedantic economic point....
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Post #25  Postby Marko B » June 29th 2014, 1:05pm

Prices are an issue, but a much bigger problem is that more and more smaller domains are in financial difficulty and diversity as we know it, could be history soon...

What are high prices to those who have nothing to sell ?
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Post #26  Postby Chris Freemott » June 29th 2014, 1:09pm

What are high prices to those who have nothing to sell

True - but not my point. I was commenting on the conclusion that hail damage = fewer wines and that scarcity would lead to price escalation. But, damaged vines/grapes may (will) impact product quality and should stifle demand for said product. Since supply and demand must be in equilibrium to have a clearing price I was pointing out the other side of the trade.
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Post #27  Postby Robert Panzer » June 29th 2014, 4:17pm

In November '14, Nico Rossignol was talking about the growing momentum for defensive cloud seeding rockets. At that time he said if there is another year of tremendous loss, some folks may go belly up.
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Post #28  Postby ATaylor » June 29th 2014, 4:37pm

Robert Panzer wrote:In November '14, Nico Rossignol was talking about the growing momentum for defensive cloud seeding rockets. At that time he said if there is another year of tremendous loss, some folks may go belly up.
Mercy mercy me


If you type grele and bourgogne in Google you will get the French news reports including one with Nicolas on France2. Brutal images.
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Post #29  Postby Michael Bowden » June 29th 2014, 5:29pm

Robert Panzer wrote:In November '14, Nico Rossignol was talking about the growing momentum for defensive cloud seeding rockets. At that time he said if there is another year of tremendous loss, some folks may go belly up.
Mercy mercy me


Wow....a true time traveler....I'll have to ask him about that during my next visit in Burgundy.
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Post #30  Postby Robert Panzer » June 29th 2014, 5:39pm

Whoopsie. '13....
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Post #31  Postby Robert Panzer » June 30th 2014, 4:32am

So far, feedback from different areas of France indicate that the Savoie took a few small hits, but that's it.
Anybody hear otherwise?
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Post #32  Postby Mike Grammer » June 30th 2014, 1:02pm

They do have a sonic cannon to break up the hail, in the upper end, I think, the problem as I understand it is finding volunteers to man the thing. It has apparently worked wonders in Bordeaux...
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Post #33  Postby kristofstevens » June 30th 2014, 2:47pm

we visited the cote the Beaune today. Pommard really got hit really bad, I have some pictures but I forgot my cable to transfer them. As said some vineyards got hit 100% but not everything was hit (eg chiveau). volnay seems to be hit pretty bad as well and in Meursault some vignerons reported 30% loss. Puligny and more south got hit as well but to a lesser extend. everythig looked perfect this year untill last saturday.

This morning there was apparently a storm over Nuits Sait Georges as well, but no idea of the possible damage there we head there tomorrow.

PS bonnes mares 2006 from Groffier and Blanchots 2009 from Raveneau on a terrace in the sun in Beaune were lovely! [cheers.gif]
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Post #34  Postby Robert Panzer » July 1st 2014, 4:24am

Word out of Vosne:
25-30 percent losses in 1er and Grand crus
10-15 percent losses lower on the hill in villages territory.
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Post #35  Postby Robert Panzer » July 1st 2014, 7:14am

Another bit of input:
20% losses in Aloxe
Varied losses in Nuits St Georges, stronger on the Northern side.

Hopefully some sunshine comes soon to dry things out, mitigating further related issues.
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