Masters of (still) Chardonnay?

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Who are your masters of (still) Chardonnay?

Au Bon Climat
9
1%
Aubert
39
6%
Cameron
15
2%
Ceritas
29
4%
Coche Dury
72
11%
d'Ardhuy
3
0%
Dauvissat
56
9%
Kalin
8
1%
Kistler
19
3%
Lafon
25
4%
Leeuwin Estate
16
2%
Leflaive
35
5%
Marcassin
25
4%
Overnoy
7
1%
Ramonet
46
7%
Raveneau
83
13%
Rhys
31
5%
Roulot
66
10%
Stony Hill
25
4%
Other
41
6%
 
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Post #1  Postby Matt Latuchie » March 12th 2017, 7:21pm

Choosing 20 Chardonnay producers to include in this poll was very tough. Tried for a variety of styles and regions. Choose as many as apply, and call out producers that aren't captured here.

Notes:

1. I purposely did not include Domaine de la Romanée-Conti. Their production is too small and their prices too high for what I'm trying to accomplish here.

2. Please do not factor premature oxidation concerns into your decision.

3. Still wines only, please.
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Post #2  Postby CJ Beazley » March 12th 2017, 7:45pm

Ramey and Varner.
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Post #3  Postby Howard Cooper » March 12th 2017, 8:11pm

PYCM
Bouchard
Drouhin
Bernard Moreau
Christian Moreau
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Post #4  Postby NED VALOIS » March 12th 2017, 9:41pm

+1 on Varner, but keep it on the down low !

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Post #5  Postby Chris Seiber » March 12th 2017, 10:23pm

I'm not necessarily claiming their superiority to all these names, but when you consider quality, price, style and availability (to me), Copain and Arcadian are probably my current favorites in Chardonnay.

But I drink a large and growing amount of Chardonnay, and I adventure around a lot, being the omnivinovore that I am. Some I've really dug recently are Brittan, Kutch, Ramey and Rhys.
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Post #6  Postby Marcus Goodfellow » March 12th 2017, 10:28pm

Carillon and Jobard for sure, Mikulski is certainly on his way.

Oregon up and comers: Crowley, Walter Scott, and Haden Fig
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Post #7  Postby Tom Lee » March 12th 2017, 10:34pm

Rochioli.

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Post #8  Postby brodie thomson » March 12th 2017, 10:46pm

As someone not from USA, this feels like a rather USA centric list with a full 9 out of 20 are from the US. One token Aussie and then other.

I would have expected more than 50% from France tbh. I guess it depends on your stylistic preferences

I don't drink nearly enough Chardonnay to provide any intelligent suggestions. I was just struck by the large number of USA wineries that is all.

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Post #9  Postby Steve Brickley » March 12th 2017, 11:38pm

Ceritas - all but especially Porter Bass
Dauvissat - especially Forest for price
Rhys - the book still being written by them
PYCM -CC
Boillot -CC
For price, Fevre but drink young ahead of premox
For price Louis Michel but so far 2014 MDT is memorable
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Post #10  Postby Scott Jameson » March 13th 2017, 4:19am

Mount Eden is a glaring omission
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Post #11  Postby Jacques Lewis2 » March 13th 2017, 4:36am

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Post #12  Postby Bud Carey » March 13th 2017, 4:43am

Peay!!!
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Post #13  Postby Michael S. Monie » March 13th 2017, 6:30am

Hartford Court. Seems to never get talked about on forums but does get critical respect.
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Post #14  Postby Brian Tuite » March 13th 2017, 6:38am

If Marcassin is on the lst you may as well include:

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Post #15  Postby Jorge Henriquez » March 13th 2017, 6:41am

Mayacamas? Montelena?
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Post #16  Postby Ed Steinway » March 13th 2017, 7:14am

I would add Mount Eden and Ridge.

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Post #17  Postby Howard Cooper » March 13th 2017, 7:24am

Steve Brickley wrote:For price, Fevre but drink young ahead of premox


For value Chablis, there are producers I like more than Fevre like Christian Moreau (I would have also highlighted Moreau-Naudet, but unfortunately Stephane Moreau died last summer).
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Post #18  Postby Mike Evans » March 13th 2017, 8:22am

Scott Jameson wrote:Mount Eden is a glaring omission


I agree. I think Hanzell may merit inclusion as well, at least as much as Stony Hill. And where is Rombauer?
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Post #19  Postby Scott Fitzgerald » March 13th 2017, 8:39am

Mike Evans wrote:And where is Rombauer?

[rofl.gif] It's up there in that butter bomb section of the pic Brian posted!
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Post #20  Postby John Morris » March 13th 2017, 8:52am

It's hard to have a meaningful poll these days without Colin-Morey (=PYCM for those who don't have the decoder ring). And Carillon and Jobard should be on there.
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Post #21  Postby Scott E. » March 13th 2017, 9:01am

+1 on Varner and Mount Eden Estate
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Post #22  Postby Herwig Janssen » March 13th 2017, 10:24am

I think you forgot to include the nr 1 Chardonnay producer in the world ; d'Auvenay .
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Post #23  Postby Steve Brickley » March 13th 2017, 8:47pm

Howard Cooper wrote:
Steve Brickley wrote:For price, Fevre but drink young ahead of premox


For value Chablis, there are producers I like more than Fevre like Christian Moreau (I would have also highlighted Moreau-Naudet, but unfortunately Stephane Moreau died last summer).


I'll give Moreau a try, thank you Howard.
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Post #24  Postby Alan Rath » March 13th 2017, 10:15pm

There are simply too many excellent producers to have a meaningful result. So many names that aren't on the list of choices (for me, mostly French).
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Post #25  Postby Scott Brunson » March 14th 2017, 3:47am

John Morris wrote:It's hard to have a meaningful poll these days without Colin-Morey (=PYCM for those who don't have the decoder ring). And Carillon and Jobard should be on there.

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Post #26  Postby Andy Steinman » March 14th 2017, 11:01am

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Post #27  Postby Steve Eisenhauer » March 14th 2017, 11:06am

Howard Cooper wrote:
Steve Brickley wrote:For price, Fevre but drink young ahead of premox


For value Chablis, there are producers I like more than Fevre like Christian Moreau (I would have also highlighted Moreau-Naudet, but unfortunately Stephane Moreau died last summer).


Moreau is an excellent call. Very weird, but I never had a premoxed Fevre. Luck of the draw, I guess.
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Post #28  Postby Jeff Vaughan » March 20th 2017, 2:19pm

Brian Tuite wrote:If Marcassin is on the lst you may as well include:

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I received an email from Total Wine about this today. Who buys this stuff?!
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Post #29  Postby JeromeHan » March 20th 2017, 2:26pm

After last night, +1 on Varner.
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Post #30  Postby AlexS » March 20th 2017, 5:40pm

Without factoring premox into this...my list:

PYCM
Sauzet
Henri Boillot
Droin
Drouhin
Raveneau
Marcassin
Ceritas
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Ramey
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Post #31  Postby Dave McCloskey » March 20th 2017, 7:00pm

CJ Beazley wrote:Ramey and Varner.


Good call on the Varner! [cheers.gif] I recently picked up some Maybach Chardonnay, so I'll be interested to see how it performs.
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Post #32  Postby Glenn L e v i n e » March 20th 2017, 7:11pm

I drink more PYCM & Hanzell than almost any producer listed.
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Post #33  Postby Rich Brown » March 20th 2017, 10:00pm

Jeff Vaughan wrote:
Brian Tuite wrote:If Marcassin is on the lst you may as well include:

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I received an email from Total Wine about this today. Who buys this stuff?!


Ha! I just saw that email from TW and was going to post it as well.

I've gotta see how horrible that sh*t is. I fully plan on snagging a bottle next time I'm there
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Post #34  Postby c fu » March 20th 2017, 10:04pm

d'Ardhuy wtf?
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Post #35  Postby Jeff Vaughan » March 21st 2017, 5:09am

Rich Brown wrote:Ha! I just saw that email from TW and was going to post it as well.

I've gotta see how horrible that sh*t is. I fully plan on snagging a bottle next time I'm there


You must report back! We need someone to replace Mark B on stuff like this. [cheers.gif]
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Post #36  Postby Rich Brown » March 21st 2017, 7:45am

Jeff Vaughan wrote:
Rich Brown wrote:Ha! I just saw that email from TW and was going to post it as well.

I've gotta see how horrible that sh*t is. I fully plan on snagging a bottle next time I'm there


You must report back! We need someone to replace Mark B on stuff like this. [cheers.gif]


Absolutely! Not sure when I'll get to TW, but probably over the next 2 weeks.
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Post #37  Postby Jorge Henriquez » March 21st 2017, 7:53am

Jeff Vaughan wrote:
Rich Brown wrote:Ha! I just saw that email from TW and was going to post it as well.

I've gotta see how horrible that sh*t is. I fully plan on snagging a bottle next time I'm there


You must report back! We need someone to replace Mark B on stuff like this. [cheers.gif]


And also get the "Butter" so you can taste it next to "Buttercream".

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Post #38  Postby Eric Egan » March 21st 2017, 9:02am

Throwing Ganevat into the mix. Any takers?
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Post #39  Postby Rich Brown » March 21st 2017, 9:31am

Jorge Henriquez wrote:
Jeff Vaughan wrote:
Rich Brown wrote:Ha! I just saw that email from TW and was going to post it as well.

I've gotta see how horrible that sh*t is. I fully plan on snagging a bottle next time I'm there


You must report back! We need someone to replace Mark B on stuff like this. [cheers.gif]


And also get the "Butter" so you can taste it next to "Buttercream".

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Butter and buttercream side by side! Can life get any better!?!
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Post #40  Postby Jorge Henriquez » March 21st 2017, 9:33am

Rich Brown wrote:
Jorge Henriquez wrote:And also get the "Butter" so you can taste it next to "Buttercream".

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Butter and buttercream side by side! Can life get any better!?!


Wait until "Just Cream" is released. [barf.gif]
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Post #41  Postby James D » March 21st 2017, 11:01am

Mayacamas, yes?
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Post #42  Postby Robert Broder » March 21st 2017, 12:45pm

I like many of the Producers on this list, but missing is Kongsgaard. Had a great 05 Chard Sat. Night, but you must like butter which beats pre mox any day of the week. Beautiful wine with balance of butter, minerals and a slight earthiness.
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Post #43  Postby Marcus Goodfellow » March 21st 2017, 6:09pm

Eric Egan wrote:Throwing Ganevat into the mix. Any takers?


I love the wines but no(just my Tuesday evening IMO). He's a master of Jura white wines though. My reasoning is only that the Savagnin is better than the Chardonnay, and his choices in the cellar are awesome but they trump the varietal.
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Post #44  Postby Dave McCloskey » March 21st 2017, 7:03pm

Jorge Henriquez wrote:
Rich Brown wrote:
Jorge Henriquez wrote:And also get the "Butter" so you can taste it next to "Buttercream".

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Butter and buttercream side by side! Can life get any better!?!


Wait until "Just Cream" is released. [barf.gif]


I'm on the waiting list for "Butter Vanilla Cream" Chardonnay by Whamo. It's aged in 43 year old Bourbon barrels and a after two Malo fermentations they add Mexican Vanilla beans. The ladies down at the bowling alley love it. [bow.gif]
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Post #45  Postby Rich Brown » March 21st 2017, 7:25pm

^
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Post #46  Postby James Billy » March 21st 2017, 8:07pm

Wot no Giaconda?
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Post #47  Postby Craig G » March 21st 2017, 8:16pm

Does Stony Hill really still make good Chardonnay? My experience is just from one tasting but it was a mix of okay and oxidized wines from 2010 back to 1985, plus one stunning 1977.
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Post #48  Postby Mike Grammer » March 22nd 2017, 12:15pm

Voted, chose to select from those listed, which was a good effort, but I as well would have to include PYCM, Bouchard (their Genevrieres at any rate), Littorai and, at least recently with their Thieriot, Rivers-Marie. Have only had 3 or 4 (wonderful) Raveneaus in my life, so not enough of a sample size. Ditto Kutch which is only in its 2nd year making Chard, but like what I see so far. Liquid Farm is close.
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Post #49  Postby Jody Smith » March 23rd 2017, 8:15am

Deep in the thread, and still no mention of Morlet!
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Post #50  Postby Jim Cowan » March 23rd 2017, 8:28am

Louis Michel, especially Vaudesir.
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